STi and SRT4

I was driving on a two lane road on the edge of town the other day, and had a blue STi behind me as we moved through traffic. I sped up a bit to give him a chance to get next to me. Eventually catching a light, we were lined up, but I heard no rev so I did not plan to launch. I tried to look over, but dark tinted windows prevented me from seeing into the car.

The light turned, and we both just kinda did a rolling start. At about 20mph, punching the gas, the STi started pulling on me slightly. Into 2nd gear, and I stopped his pull. He was maybe 3 feet ahead of me. Into 3rd, and I started to pull. By the end of 3rd I was ahead, and we were close to hitting traffic so he hit the brakes. I slowed down, and he had rolled down the window. Him and his passenger gave me a big thumbs up, and I smiled and waved.

Then, the next day, I had an SRT4 that had pulled ahead of me on a main stretch of road leaving town. It was still two lanes at this point, and I stepped up a bit to catch up to him. He got stopped at a light, so I sped up a bit more to try and line up with him.

Just as I got to the light, it turned green, and he launched and took off. I was still rolling about 5mph and just went, starting slightly behind him. I pulled on him quickly and he shut down at about 50mph with maybe a car or two on him, even though clear roads were ahead of us. He lingered behind for a bit, and never got up next to me after that. Eventually another light came up and turned red just as we were approaching. I started to slow down, and he downshifted and went through the light, even though he was behind me and had plenty of time to stop. :confused:

:bs: and werent you banned?

BS? Why, because it was a race against an SRT4? :rolleyes: If my story was against a 350Z I suppose it'd be BS to 350Z owners right? come on.

BS? Why, because it was a race against an SRT4? :rolleyes: If my story was against a 350Z I suppose it'd be BS to 350Z owners right? come on.

1) im not an srt-4 owner, im a 1.8t jetta owner
2) I'm calling bs on 2 accounts, the STi cause it wouldve ate you alive and ive seen too many s2000 try to beat an srt-4 and lose, so as i said in your other post, prove it with a video.

:bs: u can't win cuz you weren't racing an eclipse

:bs: u can't win cuz you weren't racing an eclipse

lol where did that come from?

:bs:

cause you just got banned and shouldnt be here, how convenient is it that after you talk shit about srt4s and get banned you magically come in here with a story about beating an srt4.

:bs:

cause you just got banned and shouldnt be here, how convenient is it that after you talk shit about srt4s and get banned you magically come in here with a story about beating an srt4.

dont forget the STi either, imagine how many STi driver would be rolling on the floor holding their stomachs laughing if they heard this.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

i'm decently modded and can run between 13.3-13.6. Here's what I can do to a stock S2000:
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wOTI0NDE2NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D


and likewise, i've seen plenty of stock S2k's beat stock SRT4's. both cars are capable of high 13's stock, so what's the point in arguing? they are a driver's race in stock form.

as for the STi, with my mods, that's what happens on average with most stock STi's.

this is a street encounter just like every other thread in this forum. there's nothing wrong with me posting here. if you can't deal with the fact that such races exist, not my problem.

:bs:

cause you just got banned and shouldnt be here, how convenient is it that after you talk shit about srt4s and get banned you magically come in here with a story about beating an srt4.
there are a fair amount of SRT4's in my area. and I get in plenty of races, most of which are NOT SRT4's.

i'm decently modded and can run between 13.3-13.6. Here's what I can do to a stock S2000:
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wOTI0NDE2NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D


and likewise, i've seen plenty of stock S2k's beat stock SRT4's. both cars are capable of high 13's stock, so what's the point in arguing? they are a driver's race in stock form.

as for the STi, with my mods, that's what happens on average with most stock STi's.

sorry i just find it hard to believe that your mid 13sec car can pull and pass a high 12 sec STi

I'm not sure if you've specified what mods you have yet. What year S2K do you have and what mods do you have?

Umm Matt you may want to Ban this rat one more time

First off you do use pretty good grammar in your posts, but,since when does an S2000 run a 13 anything stock? I have seen anything between 14.1-15 on those cars but never a 13. I do call BS because it was against an SRT4. Please stay banned.

First off you do use pretty good grammar in your posts, but,since when does an S2000 run a 13 anything stock? I have seen anything between 14.1-15 on those cars but never a 13. I do call BS because it was against an SRT4. Please stay banned.

I stand corrected, car and driver did a 14.1 with the s2000, so...:lol2:

sorry i just find it hard to believe that your mid 13sec car can pull and pass a high 12 sec STi
a stock STi that can do better than 13.0 I have yet to see. also, without a launch (which is part of what allows it to do a 13.0) it'll run a bit slower. not that it turns into a high 13 second car, but you get the point. they are also not really geared for top end, compared to say the EVO.

i've had another STi (also stock) that was a bit closer than this race was, so the differences likely lie in the driver. but if you have a stock STi in the wisconsin area that would like to set up a run and video tape it, i'd be more than willing!

I'm not sure if you've specified what mods you have yet. What year S2K do you have and what mods do you have?
2002 intake/exhaust and 4.57 gearset

Play nice children.

First off you do use pretty good grammar in your posts, but,since when does an S2000 run a 13 anything stock? I have seen anything between 14.1-15 on those cars but never a 13. I do call BS because it was against an SRT4. Please stay banned.
they can run 13 stock:

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=343031

now take that, on top of my mods, and I'm beyond stock SRT4 territory. (unless they can now to mid 13's stock??) not that it wouldn't take much in mods on an SRT4 to easily beat me.

it's a kill story. if you guys want me to, i'll go pick on a stage 2 SRT4, get my ass handed to me, and come back and report it to you. :)

I stand corrected, car and driver did a 14.1 with the s2000, so...:lol2:
motor trend did 13.8 if you want to mag race. :)

a stock STi that can do better than 13.0 I have yet to see. also, without a launch (which is part of what allows it to do a 13.0) it'll run a bit slower. not that it turns into a high 13 second car, but you get the point. they are also not really geared for top end, compared to say the EVO.

i've had another STi (also stock) that was a bit closer than this race was, so the differences likely lie in the driver. but if you have a stock STi in the wisconsin area that would like to set up a run and video tape it, i'd be more than willing!

if you dont think its possible for an STi to run 12's then you havent heard of Drifty's brother, but he is so out of your league that i shouldnt even mention him.

motor trend did 13.8 if you want to mag race. :)
doesnt make it a mid 13 sec car

btw you should meet our friend Mike, he has the same thought pattern as you.
I'm done with this thread...

Your stories are fairly well written and enjoyable. I think everyone (including me) is a little annoyed because you go on and on about the cons of cars other than yours instead of focusing primarily on "the kill". You may be biased against the SRT-4, but in terms of performance for the dollar, it blows away its competition. At least you're admitting you could lose to one. If you're modded and you went from a roll, this story is believable, although I have been in an STI at highway speeds and they still get the job done.

if you dont think its possible for an STi to run 12's then you havent heard of Drifty's brother, but he is so out of your league that i shouldnt even mention him.
no that's why i said I have not heard of an STi running 12's bone stock. if you have proof of one that has, i'm all ears.

Your stories are fairly well written and enjoyable. I think everyone (including me) is a little annoyed because you go on and on about the cons of cars other than yours instead of focusing primarily on "the kill". You may be biased against the SRT-4, but in terms of performance for the dollar, it blows away its competition. At least you're admitting you could lose to one. If you're modded and you went from a roll, this story is believable, although I have been in an STI at highway speeds and they still get the job done.i have raced a few STi's, but not enough to say that I know for a fact they were all good drivers. I can also only go by other such kills or experiences posted by other S2000 owners. But again, not necessarily a partisan sampling of "proof".

As for the story, that's just my way of making it interesting. If someone wants to make fun of my CF hood and call me a ricer, then so be it. Of course I'm going to focus on the parts of the story that I can poke fun at and make jokes about, because that's what makes it interesting. People shouldn't take that personally as some attack on them. I have a friend who owns an SRT4, and I rip on him for his sh*tty neon, and he rips on me for my torqueless miata. Sometimes people just take things way too seriously IMO.

So if someone did take something personally and is pissed about it, then I apologize, as that wasn't my intent.

Where are you from anyways? I really hope you're close so I can crack that little honda you have in two with a truck. It would suck to be owned by a gas guzzling 4400lb Chevy, eh?

Oh, yeah.... :bs: on anything you say.

well i realize your trying to tone it down some, so your probably gettin pretty mad lol. i just have one request, can you try to resond to people in one post rather than making a seperate post for every response? it makes it easier to read the thread.

but damn! 4.57 gears? thats really big ass gears, highest i ever see people put on mustangs are 4.10s. how much do those bring your gas milage down, what came stock?

im willing to give you a second chance, just keep this in mind, you dont have to agree with everyone, but you also dont have to be ignorant about it. if you dont like oval racing, then thats fine i understand but people on here do and get offended. same thing goes for other things (like an srt4).

I had a 2000 Civic SiR (Si in the U.S.) and the gearing was extremely high on that as well. At 120km/h (75 mph) I revved 4k. I agree with the above; everyone likes to read a good race story but not everyone agrees with everyone else's opinion. It's nice to read a grammatically correct story though.

yay grammar! haha my mom was an english teacher

I am not calling BS. Right now my comp is messed up and I cant watch any videos, so i dunno what was on those links, but if u can take a vid of u beating some cars, i think it would help alot.

sorry i just find it hard to believe that your mid 13sec car can pull and pass a high 12 sec STi


No stock STi is gonna cut a 12...Even with a launch.

well i realize your trying to tone it down some, so your probably gettin pretty mad lol. i just have one request, can you try to resond to people in one post rather than making a seperate post for every response? it makes it easier to read the thread.lol yeah sorry about that. i'm used to just doing it the other way cuz I get lazy. but i get what you mean so no sweat. :)

but damn! 4.57 gears? thats really big ass gears, highest i ever see people put on mustangs are 4.10s. how much do those bring your gas milage down, what came stock?well the S2000 comes with 4.10. Most mustang/camaro owners share your rseponse of "wtf?? lol!". The mileage actually went up a bit for me, but that's likely because I do more city driving, and since power below 3000rpm isn't exactly the S2000's forte, it helped with daily driveability. Shifting earlier, and getting into a higher gear at a lower speed I think made the big difference. And of course, performance wise, the biggest difference you notice is down low (up high it's still an improvement, just not as much). And it make auto-x and road course driving a lot more fun!

im willing to give you a second chance, just keep this in mind, you dont have to agree with everyone, but you also dont have to be ignorant about it. if you dont like oval racing, then thats fine i understand but people on here do and get offended. same thing goes for other things (like an srt4).I understand that some like nascar. To be honest, I like IRL. To each their own, and I certainly don't expect everyone to share their sentiments. so if people can take it as a joke towards what people dont like about something, then we'll be on the same page I think.
yay grammar! haha my mom was an english teacher

I am not calling BS. Right now my comp is messed up and I cant watch any videos, so i dunno what was on those links, but if u can take a vid of u beating some cars, i think it would help alot.
I actually have tons of videos on my computer, of myself, and others, and some just for fun.

I can post a few here or start another thread. :confused: (once i get home from work that is :D )

I can post a few here or start another thread. :confused: (once i get home from work that is :D )

By all means, post them up. I've never doubted any of your kills, so good job on all of them. I like S2Ks, one of the only convertables I know that looks good with the top up and the top down...most only look good one way.

no that's why i said I have not heard of an STi running 12's bone stock. if you have proof of one that has, i'm all ears.


In the Troll's defense, I have also NEVER witnesed a stock Sti or Evo get even close to 12.99 in stock form(although I've heard time and time again they are 12.9-13.5 cars, this RARELY happens.). The best stockish ones I've seen were 13.6xx @ 98-100 mph. Even those cars were slightly modded.

Also, as I stated in a previous post a month ago or so, My near stock Cobalt pulled on an Evo on the highway. They really arent nasty highway cars when stock, the gearing + awd kills them passed 100, so I have no problem believing a modded S2K pulled on an Evo and an Srt on a rolling start.

That being said, I still think that Troll needs to lighten up on the Neon bashing. We know it's not the greatest car in the world, but it's damn near the best thing ever to be produced in it's price range.

Wow, a 15-16 second truck driver got completely ignored on a callout to a 13 second modded S2000. How are you going to leave me out of all of this fun? :p

Wow, a 15-16 second truck driver got completely ignored on a callout to a 13 second modded S2000. How are you going to leave me out of all of this fun? :p

He was probably too busy staring at your avator like me. :naughty:

Wow, a 15-16 second truck driver got completely ignored on a callout to a 13 second modded S2000. How are you going to leave me out of all of this fun? :p


No one cares about a truck.
:grinno:

I have also NEVER witnesed a stock Sti or Evo get even close to 12.99 in stock form



i remember seeing some vids of stock 12 sec stis', and a couple more of stock 12 evos', it doesn't happen a lot, but from time to time, i do hear about them, i'll try to find vids

also, to honda troll, where in wis are you from?

I remember Bulldog was being doubted by 80% of the people on AF when he told about his Evo and WRX stories not too long ago. Whatd he do about it, posted a vid of him beating a NSX. Thats all it takes. I won't call BS on troll yet, and i wont defend the SRT-4 cuz it doesnt need it, but the poking fun did go a lil' too far.

well i aint gonna bash or agree. until i either see his time slip or video then i will personally say that he does have a kick ass honda. so honda lets see that and then you will have compliments about your kills

No one cares about a truck.
:grinno:

:frown: True that!!!!

Wow, a 15-16 second truck driver got completely ignored on a callout to a 13 second modded S2000. How are you going to leave me out of all of this fun? :p
I'm not going to let the thread spiral downward into insults, which is why i never responded to your first post. ;)

i remember seeing some vids of stock 12 sec stis', and a couple more of stock 12 evos', it doesn't happen a lot, but from time to time, i do hear about them, i'll try to find vids

also, to honda troll, where in wis are you from?
near milwaukee
well i aint gonna bash or agree. until i either see his time slip or video then i will personally say that he does have a kick ass honda. so honda lets see that and then you will have compliments about your kills
i'll post up some video when I get home. I'll see what timeslips I can dig up. I've only gone to the track twice with the gears. One of which was 90 degrees and 90% humidity.

There you go everyone. Now everyone can back off from honda so lets just not judge yet until we see his slip and vid. everyone ok with not bitching anymore?

Ive seen stock 04 STIs running 12s stock. no video shit either, I saw it first hand. dude trapped a 12.995 at Morosso last year. freaking killer.
Evos though, not yet.


Hey Honda troll, man we had trouble like this before with guys like you. I too respect your car and think its very competative but your in the wrong forum buddy. unfortunetly you are very passionate and quite opinionated when it comes to others rides. We all have cars we hate and wish we could drive them off a cliff but we are more sensitive to other's then you are.

You bashed on the SRT-4 with a passion and that really disrespectfull to everyone here who owns SRT-4s
You dissed on the Eclipse and again your wrong for that.
you said some things that border on raceism when it comes to American's and thier motorsport views.

overall you are rude, intollerent and killing the mood for alot of people.

I suggest you start posting on the Honda forum. they have thier own Street Racing forum there where Im sure you will find others with views more linear to your own.

we try to all be gentlemen here...well except for Redneck and Civracer, but heck we try.

^ i have the manners of a burmese python, what are u talking about

^^ and i won the award for most impatient member...

we try to all be gentlemen here...well except for Redneck and Civracer, but heck we try.


Asshole.:mad: :lol2:


But I agree with what you said. I've had a few PM's with Honda Troll... talking to him there he's a decent guy so far. And says he'll tone it down. Give him time to adjust kids.

Not all of us were perfect when we first got here... hell, I originally joined the forum to flame a few people. Look where I am now... :banghead::lol:

Not all of us were perfect when we first got here... hell, I originally joined the forum to flame a few people. Look where I am now... :banghead::lol:

wow, if you were lived with teh dinosaurs, you would have been a jerkasaurus rex :uhoh:

dude,I dotn know about yall but i dont think this guy is all the bad, his storys are well told, and he has good grammar(something i cant say for my self.)
Seriously though NASCAr bashing? Why dont you just go ahead and call us all goatF&*kers. Also you do realize that nascar does have roadcourses, and if you looked into to the background history of some drivers, you would see they were capable of doing much more then left turns. Lets take Tony Stewart for example, the man can pretty much drive anything with wheels faster then anyone else. I dont feel like digging up his circletrack history, but maybe if you ever have seen a circle track race you'll recognize something so beloved to your tuned import heart, drifting.
Also we straight line race here in America because its a hell of a lot safer, and there is a much less chance of getting caught. So we generally lean towards straight line performance over cornering.

I believe that in theory a S2k can beat a STI from a roll and a SRT4 from a stop. Weather or not YOU did IDK but do we really know if ANYONES stories are true?

Heres why an S2K could pull this off

First the STI. What he says is true about the STI getting such low times from its launches. So from a roll it could be a pretty close race. I mean lets do the math people...

STI-300hp/ AWD/ 3298lbs curb weight
S2K-240 hp/ RWD/ 2835 lbs

So as you can see the Sti does have more power but at the wheels I bet hp is a little closer. Also the S2K is about 500lbs lighter than the STI. Plus the STi had an extra passenger. So a well driven S2K beating a STI from a roll doesn’t sound so far fetched to me:dunno:

Now as for the SRT4 vs S2K

Before I even get into why I think this may have went down the way he said it did lets consider something. The SRT4 is pretty much the best bang for the buck speed wise for a new car no? So thinking along that line of reason would you all not agree that more and younger people (not that young people cant drive) are getting these cars? So it stands to reason that there are a lot of people racing around in SRT4's that cant drive no? I mean I'll be honest, Im starting to see more and more dicks flying around in SRT4's than in almost any other SPORTS car. So right off the bat when I hear someone say I beat a SRT4 in a car they SHOULDNT have won in I just assume they raced a bad driver because well... their are a lot out there.

Now for the stats.

S2K-240 hp/ RWD/ 2835 lbs
SRT4-220 hp/ FWD/ 2900 lbs

What else can I say other than RWD owns FWD from a stop. I mean S2K's are hard to launch but it can be done. The only reason the S2K runs so slow is its hard to launch with its high revving motor. So if the SRT4 didn’t launch well and the S2K did then well the SRT4 is going to have a time catching up the faster they go.

Ive seen stock 04 STIs running 12s stock. no video shit either, I saw it first hand. dude trapped a 12.995 at Morosso last year. freaking killer.
Evos though, not yet.


Hey Honda troll, man we had trouble like this before with guys like you. I too respect your car and think its very competative but your in the wrong forum buddy. unfortunetly you are very passionate and quite opinionated when it comes to others rides. We all have cars we hate and wish we could drive them off a cliff but we are more sensitive to other's then you are.

You bashed on the SRT-4 with a passion and that really disrespectfull to everyone here who owns SRT-4s
You dissed on the Eclipse and again your wrong for that.
you said some things that border on raceism when it comes to American's and thier motorsport views.

overall you are rude, intollerent and killing the mood for alot of people.

I suggest you start posting on the Honda forum. they have thier own Street Racing forum there where Im sure you will find others with views more linear to your own.

we try to all be gentlemen here...well except for Redneck and Civracer, but heck we try.
are you done with the soapbox so I can use it now? ;) honestly, you read way too much into these encounters. My opinion is not racist in any way (contrary to what you say). Hell, I'm a white boy from the good old midwest, so I think my opinion on racing sports in the US is certainly not going to be a racial one.

I don't like the 4G eclipse and the SRT4, so I poked some fun at them for humor's sake. I don't expect everyone to agree with it, but to tell me that my opinion is wrong comes off more elitist than anything I've said.

If I was talking about some kid in an old honda civic, or some guy in a grand am with walmart spinners, would my reception be any different than what I'm receiving now? I'm betting it would be.


Not all of us were perfect when we first got here... hell, I originally joined the forum to flame a few people. Look where I am now... :banghead::lol:
Oddly enough, I did the same on another honda site. And now I'm an admin there. :grinyes: :lol:

dude,I dotn know about yall but i dont think this guy is all the bad, his storys are well told, and he has good grammar(something i cant say for my self.)
Seriously though NASCAr bashing? Why dont you just go ahead and call us all goatF&*kers. i wouldn't want to offend the goat. LOL JK JK JK! but honestly, I actually do like some aspects of NASCAR. I enjoy watching that Racer X or whatever it is. But it's just not my taste, and again, was meant to be funny. Don't take it so seriously. :)
Also you do realize that nascar does have roadcourses, and if you looked into to the background history of some drivers, you would see they were capable of doing much more then left turns.yes I know. in fact, many of the drivers likely worked their way through the ranks, driving open wheel cars and other such vehicles before getting to NASCAR.
I dont feel like digging up his circletrack history, but maybe if you ever have seen a circle track race you'll recognize something so beloved to your tuned import heart, drifting.i'm not a fan of drifting.

Also we straight line race here in America because its a hell of a lot safer, and there is a much less chance of getting caught. So we generally lean towards straight line performance over cornering.I'm not so sure about the safer aspect, unless you're referring to street racing. America in general has an infatuation with drag racing since the days of the muscle cars and beyond. America simply took a different road than the rest of the world.

I believe that in theory a S2k can beat a STI from a roll and a SRT4 from a stop. Weather or not YOU did IDK but do we really know if ANYONES stories are true?

Heres why an S2K could pull this off

First the STI. What he says is true about the STI getting such low times from its launches. So from a roll it could be a pretty close race. I mean lets do the math people...

STI-300hp/ AWD/ 3298lbs curb weight
S2K-240 hp/ RWD/ 2835 lbs

So as you can see the Sti does have more power but at the wheels I bet hp is a little closer. Also the S2K is about 500lbs lighter than the STI. Plus the STi had an extra passenger. So a well driven S2K beating a STI from a roll doesn’t sound so far fetched to me:dunno:

Now as for the SRT4 vs S2K

Before I even get into why I think this may have went down the way he said it did lets consider something. The SRT4 is pretty much the best bang for the buck speed wise for a new car no? So thinking along that line of reason would you all not agree that more and younger people (not that young people cant drive) are getting these cars? So it stands to reason that there are a lot of people racing around in SRT4's that cant drive no? I mean I'll be honest, Im starting to see more and more dicks flying around in SRT4's than in almost any other SPORTS car. So right off the bat when I hear someone say I beat a SRT4 in a car they SHOULDNT have won in I just assume they raced a bad driver because well... their are a lot out there.

Now for the stats.

S2K-240 hp/ RWD/ 2835 lbs
SRT4-220 hp/ FWD/ 2900 lbs

What else can I say other than RWD owns FWD from a stop. I mean S2K's are hard to launch but it can be done. The only reason the S2K runs so slow is its hard to launch with its high revving motor. So if the SRT4 didn’t launch well and the S2K did then well the SRT4 is going to have a time catching up the faster they go.
on top of which, I can work a stock S2000 pretty hard with my mods. ;)

wow, if you were lived with teh dinosaurs, you would have been a jerkasaurus rex :uhoh:

:screwy:

yeah well i actually am starting to like honda he does know his shit specs wise

yeah well i actually am starting to like honda he does know his shit specs wise


:wtf: Those people that know every single spec about every car annoy the shit out of me. Get a job or something if you have that much free time.

am i sitting at hte neutral side so far, but from the start i was on his side but i just sat back and read everything.

as for the whp on the STi and the S2K being close stock. i don't t hink so. the S2K puts down anywhere from 200-210whp depending on if its the 2 liter or the 2.2 liter. while the STi puts down around 250whp stock, and even more tq at the wheels.

however his S2K has gears in it, ( i don't count I/H/E to be mods on those cars since they give a whole peak gain of 2whp but can give as much as 5-7 whp in certain areas of the power band.

seriously i don't think this guy is a asshole or anything. and i actually can't wait for him to show some of his stuff. if he really is as good as he says he is ( racing in A stock class which is a class with NSX's, EVO's, STi's etc ) and does well, then he can drive like a madman.

edit:

and endlessheart666 does that mean i annoy you too? ; )

:grinyes: nah hes just jealous of you guys cuz he cant remember his own specs

:screwy:

dont give me that, my dinosaur "joke" was amazing

dont give me that, my dinosaur "joke" was amazing


nuh uh... it failed to rock my socks. :shakehead


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Well, I'm glad you folks are starting to at least tolerate each other for the time being. That's nice... means I can go out to dinner and know that you won't tear my forum apart. :lol:

^ everyone go crazy! ahhhh the mods gone!

jk