88 crx SI VS 91 MR2 na

i have a 88 crx si with a short shifter,wing, and custom made intake and 193,000 miles, i have a friend with a 91 mr2 n/a with a intake and 122,000 miles, he talks alot of shit about how grea his car is becasue its mid engine rwd, and that he would beat me, should i try and race him or should i not even bother?

list the things that will help you go faster
not a wing that may slow youdown
but why not go run him
Ass

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Um, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, you'll lose.

But, then again thats not a very long limb...

He's got about 140HP at about 2700lbs. Thats just a bit better then a 20:1 weight to power ratio.

Your CRX what, 105HP at like 2200lbs. Thats just a bit worse then a 20:1 weight to power ratio.

Plus, your FWD where as he's Mid-Engine, RWD. This is possibly one of the best setups for dragging there is.

Never know, it might be kinda close depending a little something thats much more important then who has the more powerful car, who's the better driver.

Give him a run, either way it should be good for a few laughs.

i know their mid engine rwd but i heard the n/a's have CAMRY engine...c'mon? and their only 130hp

and plus should;t the 500 pounds it weighs more than me even out the fact that is has 25 more hp than me

He might weigh more, but he has 25 more hp and 40 lbs more of torque. with that and the way the car is setup Mid engine/ Rear Wheel drive should give him the edge on you. but if it was me i'd still race em cause ya never know :)

this stuff people have een saying means nothing......its how you drive your car....if you can race you can probably beat him....so far in my 4th gen Si I have raced and beaten a 95 Civic SI with lots of mods, a 2001 Prelude that was stock with the h22....a 96 Prelude with intake exhaust and the h22.....and other cars.....and a 91 MR2 N/A........the MR2 had a kit wing and 17's now I had 14" steelies and was driving hard.....now my car has an intake, header, exhaust, port and polish....but it is still fast......these guys are shifting at 5 grand or so while im shifting at 7500.

ya the better driver should win in a equal set up of cars btu if he knows how to drive his mr2 he could spank on you

i raced my boys GTI in my DX i took him out the hole but he would just pull on me and there wasnt anything i could do but let him go but i have beat crxs a si with a shit load of streo stuff and a few others have fallen in my rath but then again i have been shit on by type of cars so you never know how it could go
Pio

just do it for fun even if you get pumped

what do you mean if he knows to to drive his mr2, this i a drag race in a straight line,

pio, GTI what?

shifting at the beginning of the redline isnt driving.

shifting at the fuel cutoff is.

what do u mean, after redline?

I have run this matchup. In highschool two friends had the same cars. One had a 91 crx SI with way more mods than you have, and the other had a 91 MR2 that was NA. The MR2 had NOTHING done to it besides a K&N filter and repeatedly smoked the CRX on the way to and on the way home from school everyday. Closest I ever saw was when the MR2 didnt hookup until 2nd gear and the rex almost had him until the MR2 hit 3rd and it was all over. You cant mess with RWD and Torque. Based on this I can only conclude one thing, youll probably get smoked. But if you want to run for fun why not, you may suprise yourself.

Is the MR2 turbo?
that should be u're first clue not to mess with it.. cuz u're jus settin u're self up for more torement if he wins... MR2's are pretty quick and very light.. do not under-estimate them.:mad:

Its not turbo.... he said its a 91 MR2 NA...which means natrually aspirated...or all-motor as some people call it

TonyMontanaIX
pio, GTI what?

it was an A2 golf with an intake header exsaust
the car had some nice power btu i would shit on my boy if we had the same cars and set up
Pio

Originally posted by TonyMontanaIX
what do u mean, after redline?

how old is this kid?

me or the kid with the mr2?

I guess the aerodynamics would come into this as well ... the mr2 is really low to the ground too and im sure it has more than 140bhp or maybe thats the jap imports i cant remember hehe. I would think that the mr2 would have no prob at all .

better bhp
better aerodynamics
better engine setup
probly better and thicker tyres

just another thing some of the jap imports u can get r totally mad ... twin turbos and stuff heeh :)

what BHP mean? i know WHP means wheel horsepower and HP just means the hp at the crank but whats BHP means

umm braking horse power ...........


that what we use in the UK anyways


ummm maybe is means the same thing as WHP as i never hered of that before hehe ....


i think that the BHP is taken from the wheel anyway ug ug ug ...

the n/a's in the us have the 5sfe camry engine 130hp, and the n/a' in every other part of the world has the 3s-ge 160 hp engine

Ummm... a NA MR2 runs low 16's (16.3ish) stock, I ran a 16.2 with nothing but a short-ram intake. If you can drive you might beat him, with a mid-engine RWD it's easy to bog with that little power so if he doesn't launch perfectly you'll probably win.

Damn PFC your mod list took up most of the page! NICE :)

stupid double post..

Originally posted by TonyMontanaIX
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Man this dude is such an NPT... "I've got a short shifter, custom intake, and a WING!!" I won't even go into that much right now, but how much horsepower does that "wing" give you? Then someone says "Why don't you list things that'll make you go fast instead of a big wing that'll just slow you down" and he goes "????" :rolleeys:

Anyhow.. listen.. a CRX is NOT fast. A stock second gen N/A MR-2 is NOT very fast either, but it's a little faster than the CRX, and it'll outhandle that sucker all day long on a real race track.

Start modifying either car and you'll have something somewhat respectable on your hands, but either way it's going to cost you probably $5000 to get into the 13's properly (by 13's range you SHOULD have good brakes, suspension, etc.. cause you can go faster, you better be able to handle the new speeds, as well as new tires on STOCK DIAMETER WHEELS or maybe 1" larger (not frigging 17's that'll slow you down, buy some 14x7 or even 15x7's and slap some 215's or 225's on there).

I don't know how I got on that subject, but anyhow, he'll win right now, I guarantee it. Know why? Because my '92 Civic EX with intake and exhaust (what a waste of money that was.. I coulda spent it on the RX-7).. lost to my buddy's stock '91 N/A MR-2 on the freeway by a long shot.

Oh yeah, and the MR-2 has gearing somewhat like the Integra GS-R and a MUCH larger powerband.

do you think that the same 91 na mr2 could beat my friends stock 87 non turbo rx7? because i know he wants a piece of the mr2 also

"the MR2 had a kit wing and 17's now I had 14" steelies and was driving hard"

well of course you won. That rice crap on his car weighed him down bigtime - especially the wheels.

A stock CRX (and a CRX with only an intake and a wing counts as stock, I'm sorry - - especially since the extra weight/drag of the wing counteracts the minimal gains seen by the intake) will not beat an MR2 in a straightline drag, but that shouldn't surprise anyone since drag racing was the farthest thing from the CRX designers minds.

Get the MR2 guy to race you in an autocross or through some good twisties and you'll destroy him.

I say he will win, but you gotta take driver skill into the picture. I got beat a while back by a stock crx si, although I have the sohc ZC, which i think has slightly more HP. I also have a muffler, but I doubt that does shit aside from sound cool. I figured i would win cause of the engine, but the 4 door weighs considerably more than the rex. But I did, however take a 96 'EX Coupe. I attributed that victory due to the fact that my car is 400 lbs lighter, and I think he was a shitty driver.

I am by no means a great driver, I have a lot to learn, but I am not all about racing. I am about transport, and being cool, & having fun in the process. I didnt even swap in the ZC, it was in the car when I bought it. (and i didnt find out it was a ZC until later)

My stock Civic whoops on N/A MR2s. :evillaugh


sorry. had to say it. :D

Originally posted by Moppie
My stock Civic whoops on N/A MR2s. :evillaugh


sorry. had to say it. :D


us in the states never got the 4th gens with the DOHC just the SOHC so lucky you
Pio

Originally posted by Pio



us in the states never got the 4th gens with the DOHC just the SOHC so lucky you



Yeah I know.

Its just that these whos faster threads are so stupid I thought it needed spicing up a little.

CRX's are actually very well suited for drag racing, they're light and aerodynamic. There are lots of pro-drag cars using the CRX as a basis for their 1/4 mile machine.

Yeah, I know what Ed Bergenholtz has accomplished with his drag CRX, but he's also spent a ton getting the car to be capable of that. And he will still get wasted by a firebird with half the money invested in it. The CRX is a terrible drag platform because 1) it's front wheel drive 2) it's short. This combination means the front wheels lift off real easy and since they're the drive wheels you're screwed.

Originally posted by Shadowkahn
Yeah, I know what Ed Bergenholtz has accomplished with his drag CRX, but he's also spent a ton getting the car to be capable of that. And he will still get wasted by a firebird with half the money invested in it. The CRX is a terrible drag platform because 1) it's front wheel drive 2) it's short. This combination means the front wheels lift off real easy and since they're the drive wheels you're screwed.

You've got to be kidding me. On STREET tires i have run side by side Z28's and SS's through the 60', a good driver in a FWD against an AWD or RWD can knock off the same if not better 60' and reaction times. How much does an LS1 powered F-body go for? You can buy a base model CRX, perform an engine swap and turbo for less than 10 G's and have an easy 11 second car if you know what you're doing.

Here is a list of modifications done to a CRX back home, i've added approximate prices next to each.

Added to CRX Wiring:
Relocation of the Thermal Sensor for the 1993 engine.

Physical Changes to the CRX chassis:
Shock tower engine mount
Transmission engine mount
Rear engine mount
1993 Integra LS computer
Conversion to Integra shift linkage
Axles
Hubs
Spindles
Calipers
Alternator
Distributor
Exhaust Manifold
Downpipe


Performance Modifications: [11.91@117]

Mere 14 psi, full interior.
$800 Powertrain Management Systems PMS
$400 1993 Acura Integra 1.8 DOHC engine
$400 8.5:1 JE performance pistons
$400 Carrillo rods
$350 JG Pro Series Port and Polish cylinder head
$300 JG Oversized Stainless Steel Valves
$350 JG 1001 Turbo Camshafts
$400 NISSAN T4/T3 Turbocharger
$350 RD Racing Turbo Manifold
$100 Custom 2.5" Downpipe
$100 Custom 2.75" Intake Piping
$200 Custom Intercooler system
$200 Greddy "Black Box" Electrical Override
$300 BroSpeed Exhaust system
$350 Eibach Sway Bar system
$300 Neuspeed Sport 1.75" lowering system
17" CEC 129 205/40-17 wheels
$300 gauges
$75 shift light
stereo system

He runs 11's at only 14psi, my price's are mostly estimates so a lot of those could be bought cheaper if you know where to look or buy them used. I bought a motor for 400 and a turbo kit for 2500, combined with stronger internals i should be capable of 11's and maybe even 10's with NO2. An LS1 powered F-body cost's well over 10 G's i'm sure, a supercharger is several thousand dollars, stonger differentials, headers, etc are much more expensive than those for a small FWD honda. I could run 11's with less than 300hp, that is good for a 14 flat in an LS1 powered F-body, big horespower numbers are cool but it's power to weight ratios that win at the track. I'm not saying that RWD's suck at the track, it's just they're not really any better than FWD with well setup suspension.

Moppie

i doubt your beating n/a mr2s over their cuz the n/a mr2s over thier have (the mid 90's models) the 3sge with 170, i even heard the beams one has 200 STOCK, those will shit on your "dohc" civic, as a matter of fact the 5sfe n/a engine is dohc and thats the CHEAP n/a with 130hp

a 2300lb car with 160hp verse a 2800lb car with 170? I kind of guestimated the weights but i don't think that 10hp will make up for the weight diff b/t a Civic hatch and an MR2.

Originally posted by TonyMontanaIX
Moppie

i doubt your beating n/a mr2s over their cuz the n/a mr2s over thier have (the mid 90's models) the 3sge with 170..............


Well you might want to tell that to the several MR2s Iv lined up from the lights, and the one Iv followed then passed on the way home.

Most are JDM imports, all use the 3sge. I dont where you heard they have 170hp from. But thats a shit load of hp from a 2.0L engine with no varialbe cam timing. (the engine is good for a lot more then 200hp mind, but it requires some rather lumpy cams, piggy back ECU, or rechip and they dont idle very well)
Try about 145hp-155hp stock depending on the model and year.
Combine the weight and hp differnce, with my much flatter torque and power curves and I easily leave them behind.

civic hatchback = meant to take you to and from work/school for under a buck of gas,

mr2 ANY YEAR MODEL = meant to be raced, and speed thru turns

hatchback= weight distribution front/front

mr2= front/rear


im not a traitor, i mean i own a honda but those are thef facts

Originally posted by TonyMontanaIX
civic hatchback = meant to take you to and from work/school for under a buck of gas,

mr2 ANY YEAR MODEL = meant to be raced, and speed thru turns

hatchback= weight distribution front/front

mr2= front/rear


im not a traitor, i mean i own a honda but those are thef facts

you forgot one very important one

sir: sports injected RACER! his car had a b16a1 from the factory i mean lets not be retarded here thats alot etter than a NA mr2 and just becuase the design of the car is not ment for racing hasn't stopped us from trying to make our cars fast

"adding syrup to a pile of shit doesn't automatically turn it into pancakes"

i read that somewhere

Originally posted by TonyMontanaIX
"adding syrup to a pile of shit doesn't automatically turn it into pancakes"

i read that somewhere



thats so true
can we some how kill this thread already
Pio

yeah but adding syrum to waffles is damn good :rolleyes: :finger:

What if you take some syrup, poor it over waffels, then cover it all in chocolate suace so people only think your eating shit?
(take one B16a, add heavily tuned and revised suspension with Big brakes, then wrap it in a Civic body)

Put quite simply my Civic is not only faster than a N/A MR2 in a straight line, but also a lot faster round corners.
Just becasue the engines in the back dosnt mean the suspension is tuned for handleing.

The 1st gen MR2 is quicker than our 2nd Gen Si (ZC powered) end of story. = Weight + RWD + = power = CRX loses.

2nd gen MR2 is just a bit better based on traction - you can't beat RWD for traction based on weight transference on takeoff - fact. It's fatter, but has a better chassis and really puts the power down compared to a CRX which runs a Civic chassis. I've said it before, I love Hondas, but just 'cause you drive one, doesn't mean you'll be quicker than everything else.

BTW, All 3 cars are NA over here except for the JDM imports which are supercharged or turbocharged depending on its model.

BTW - don't knock the Camry engine - these things can be tuned to get a hell of a lot of power - try 200bhp NA in a Clubman and you won't see it for dust.

Note: I hate Camrys as much as the next person, but the motors are damn good and wide open to huge mods.

you are all idiots (well most) the 2nd gen mr2 n/a with the 3sge has 153 hp from 90-93 (yes 90...production started in 90) and 175 for 94+ (until that beauty known as the BEAMS with v-vti and 200 hp)....im certain it will walk all over a civic with the slightly more hp....i raced my friends eclipse gs with approx 155 hp due to some mods...and i walked all over him....quit braggin about your car is dohc....so what...mr2 is dohc too...take that, engine over rear drive wheels and the mr2 will smoke the ___ outta your civic...people need to research instead of posting stuff thats not true...i also own an 88 crx si (god help me get rid of that pile of shit) and my deuce would beat my rex hands down by atleast 3 car lengths in the quarter

also, like that one guy said....the mr2's powerband is wayyyyy wider than almost any honda's....i smoked a 96 prelude si....he couldnt gain on me (not sure how many horse they have) he was mad as hell

the only honda's i wouldnt race stock for stock (well i'd race em just wouldnt win) are an integra gsr, rsx, and an s2000

Originally posted by mr2nafornow
you are all idiots (well most) the 2nd gen mr2 n/a with the 3sge has 153 hp from 90-93 (yes 90...production started in 90) and 175 for 94+ (until that beauty known as the BEAMS with v-vti and 200 hp)....im certain it will walk all over a civic with the slightly more hp....i raced my friends eclipse gs with approx 155 hp due to some mods...and i walked all over him....quit braggin about your car is dohc....so what...mr2 is dohc too...take that, engine over rear drive wheels and the mr2 will smoke the ___ outta your civic...people need to research instead of posting stuff thats not true...i also own an 88 crx si (god help me get rid of that pile of shit) and my deuce would beat my rex hands down by atleast 3 car lengths in the quarter


Wow, nice 3 posts......


anyway the above is mostly Bullshit.
There is no way a 3sge will have over 175hp stock. Quite simply it requires tuning the engine to a point where it becomes to hard to live with in everyday use for it be sold as a factory spec car. Toyota are far to conservitive to do it. And beside's why would they bother when the performance version of the MR2 is the Turbo (with 240-280hp).


Prehaps your the one that needs to do some resurch before simply running your mouth off.
Infact I doubt your even old enough to actualy own a car, let alone an MR2.