Started....

Camera sucks. Not sure if the tape is jacked up or if the camera was hating life.
Sound is fine though.

http://home.comcast.net/~mrluos/firststart.wmv

Doesn't idle at 950 RPM's too well yet. Probably gonna have to bump that up.
The camera sound doesn't pick up the actual sound very well. It sounded much better in person. Although even that will change once it gets a good tune on it.
No leaks.
Oil pressure was up around 60 PSI at 1400 RPM's.

OOOOOOOOO !!!

Me liky so far

I can't wait to hear it with a tune! That sounds evil!

Congrats on her I know its been a long time coming but I'm sure it'll all be worth it!

yeah, congrats on all the hard work man.

wow that thing is wicked. Lets see it tearing it up with a good tune. Congrats.

Probably won't be street ready for at least a month yet.
Still lots of work to be done.
But it is mostly downhill from here.
Sounds good....I will try to get a better sound clip later this week. One that doesn't echo in the garage.

OMG WTF have you created...

Sounds beastly. :evillol:

it could use some vtec in there...

It will have it. Give me time.
No revs yet.

When I do rev it for the camera...you just might be able to hear the VTAK kick in.

O Snap! Vtak!

Sounds wicked. Hope you can street tune it. Are you using HP Tuners, LS1 Edit, or something else?

hmmm well that thing is going to sound very interesting with a nice tune...

it sounds crazy already....can't wait to hear it tuned....hopefully you can break your avatar record when it's all done :)

hopefully, if he doesnt he did somethin wrong :)

but i wouldnt try it, we dont want you ending up like retard cops down here in FL.

HPTuners.
Although I am brand new to tuning...so I have a lot of reading to do before I try it.

Top speed....probably won't ever see anything more than what it traps in the 1/4. Top speed is exciting, but not worth it to me.
Probably won't ever see more than 125 MPH or so....that is about what it should trap at sea level in the 1/4.

the idle sounds pretty okay to me at 950rpm. luos why did you swap out the engine instead of going with a power adder like a turbo? me and nissanfanatic was talkin about turbos and high altitude and it doesn't effect turbos.

How does high altitude not affect turbos? The air is much less dense, and therefore not as easy to compress. They affect us just like n/a cars.

that was my original arguement too but nissanfanatic told me that the wastegate from a turbo only sees pressure. so if air is less dense up high, the turbo will just need to spool alittle more then it will make the same pressure required to crack open the wastegate.

if the wastegate has a 14 psi spring, it will open a 14 psi no matter what. so the manifold will see 14 psi. true the turbo would have to spin alittle faster to make the same boost, but the difference would only be like .5 -1 psi tops becasue your not loosing like 1 whole atmosphere when your up high.

now if you argue with blowers, well blowers are effected more then turbos because they have a set drive ratio. the blower would not know if it has to spin faster or not becasue its set to spin that speed when a turbo is effected by boost pressure in the manifold.

Congrats Luos! If you are interested in the oh so desirable performance of vtak, I'll sell you my vtec solenoid for $500 plus shipping. If the cost is just a smidge too high, we can talk and negotiate. Just hit me up with a pm. :biggrin:

Thanks Civ...but I am good. :lol:


TatII....no boost. At least for now. The plan is to get a good raise, and toss a charger on it.
I like the idea of having a completely forged motor just waiting for more.
I went with the N/A motor for now looking towards the future with the car. Hell...couple little suspension mods, a rear-end, and slicks and this car should be able to see 10's.
Imagine this thing with lower compression and 13-14 PSI from a supercharger!!!

thats exactly what i'm talkin about. theres always room for boost.

Tat, not to onctradict but from my understanding Wastegates seince pressure differences, as to BOV's. When the pressure difference reaches 14PSI it will open. your boost guage also sences presure differences. So in you are still "boosting" 14PSI.

Example

Ambient Pressure is 0.8 ATM, your run 1ATM of boost. at sea level you are going to get the same performance as 0.8ATM of boost.

However, if the engine can handle a whole 1ATM of boost at sea level, when ambient air presure is 0.8ATM you can run 1.2ATM of boost. :)

that is my understanding but i may be wrong.

Superchargers, on the other hand, you have to swich out pulleys to make up for the lost air and when travleing down to more dence air you have to swap to a larger pulley.

once agian that is my understanding but i could be wrong.

either way, up high, bossted is better.

Probably won't ever see more than 125 MPH or so....that is about what it should trap at sea level in the 1/4.

trapping 125? holy shit.

Im not a big 1/4 mile guy but that should be braking 10's shouldnt it?

if you have a mechanical boost gauge, the guage reading would be slightly off when you reach up higher in the mountains.

however you did bring up a interesting argument about including absolute pressure which is guage pressure + ambient pressure. i'm pretty sure a 14 psi wastegate spring is calibrated to open at 14 psi absolute pressure which is 28.7 psi

if you have a mechanical boost gauge, the guage reading would be slightly off when you reach up higher in the mountains.

however you did bring up a interesting argument about including absolute pressure which is guage pressure + ambient pressure. i'm pretty sure a 14 psi wastegate spring is calibrated to open at 14 psi absolute pressure which is 28.7 psi

Yeah, that would make sense.

Either way, boost is better for high altitude because the wastegate is adjustable. However, my understanding is that at high altitude, boost lag would be for quite a bit longer.

oops let me make a small correction. absolute pressure = guage pressure + boost pressure.

and yes even if the turbo did get alittle laggier, lag does not effect peak power unless its so ridiculously laggy that it can't make full boost, but i highly doubt that would be the case if your up in the mountains.

oops let me make a small correction. absolute pressure = guage pressure + boost pressure.

and yes even if the turbo did get alittle laggier, lag does not effect peak power unless its so ridiculously laggy that it can't make full boost, but i highly doubt that would be the case if your up in the mountains.

Indeed. However, it would put the useable powerband out of whack and you'd end up with a car that still has high power, but not much of it being useable (unless you're racing at 4-5000rpm of course) and hence you'd have a much less driveable car.

well it depends on what you consider to be less drivable. i know a wrx is pretty laggy stock, and i know that my car only has 3500rpms of good power. but i'm prefectly fine with it, to some people it might be too peaky.

but the arguement was that higher altitudes have very minimal effect on peak hp for turbo cars. whether or not it will shift the power band is another story, but you guys make it sound like the power band would shift by a whole 1000rpms when your up high. i don't think that would be the case. the turbo only has to spin fast enough to make an equivalent of 1 additional psi to compensate for the less dense air. it would barely alter the power graph. i mean people creep and spike more boost then that.

Yeah, that's true...it never crossed my mind that you'd only be needing to make a little extra boost.

And my car has only about 2500-3000rpm of useable power....hence, you would understand my fussiness over userble power. I mean, my turbo runs out of puff at about 6000rpm (redline 7) and turbo doesn't hit peak till 3500-3600 and everything under 2500 is rubbish.

trapping 125? holy shit.

Im not a big 1/4 mile guy but that should be braking 10's shouldnt it?
The car should have the power to run 10's.
Should be trapping up around that 125 MPH number. Give or take of course....but it better trap over 120 MPH or I will be pissed. :lol:
Of course...this is at sea level. Here I am thinking 12.3 at 115 (again....give or take).

About the levels of boost here compared to sea level.....
I don't know much about forced induction. But I do know this....
N/A loses the most power here. Most lose 1+ seconds in the 1/4.
Then supercharged cars. Most lose .6-.8 seconds in the 1/4.
Then turbo cars. Most lose .4-.6 seconds in the 1/4.

This is kind of why I went with N/A for now. Respect/fun factor.
I should be one of the FEW cars at Bandimere that drive to the track and pop off lower 12's on the motor.

Got the radiator installed.
All the hoses as well. Including the power steering cooler.
Drained the tranny. Need to fill tomorrow.
I still need to add coolant to radiator.
Driveshaft loop is up, torque arm needs to follow.
Rear control arms need installed.
Wiring under car needs hung up properly.
Need to find a bellow to install between the MAF and the throttle body. The one I have doesn't fit.
Need to bleed the brakes.

Basic tune is coming Wednesday/Thursday.

Couple pics....
http://home.comcast.net/~mrluos/Swap157.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~mrluos/Swap158.JPG

After looking at it...I decided I will be painting the area marked here.
It will be the same black as the airbox lid.
http://home.comcast.net/~mrluos/willpaint.JPG

congrats, you probably have the fastest car here in the OT / Streetracing forums. happy hunting :)


PS
i get to do some engine work of my own today. Kioplo's (rarle comes here) Tiburon is going under full intake upgrade. Upper and lower intake manifolds (Stage 4, the most performance oriented for the car), TB, everything :). pics will be comming.

congrats, you probably have the fastest car here in the OT / Streetracing forums. happy hunting :)



That would probably be JekylandHyde. He's aiming for mid10s next season.

But nevertheless, that car sounds great. I just heard it for the first time today, and I like it a lot. What kind of exhuast does it have now?

wow luos, congrats, glad to see that beast getting back together. Can't wait for more vids.

That would probably be JekylandHyde. He's aiming for mid10s next season.
Not saying mine will be fastest or faster than anyone else...

Mine will have the power for 10's. At least at sea level. Should be trapping 125 MPH (give or take) at sea level.
Of course....should. :icon16:

ok, fastest car not 100% race oriented. :)

oh and no offence J&H...Mr.Luos, do you have a long list of sponsors :)

Mr.Luos, do you have a long list of sponsors :)
I would like to thank my garage, and my small list of tools.

http://home.comcast.net/~mrluos/secondstart.wmv

Outside the garage...maintaining an idle.

Also...parked for the night...
Yeah...I know...a little dirty.
http://home.comcast.net/~mrluos/Swap169.JPG

Dear god.

Damn.

Just got back from the shop that put on the base tune.
Seems she is missing on at least one cylinder. Could really hear it once the tune was on it.
Local auto parts joint has my plugs, gonna pick them up tomorrow and try that.

Looks like somebody spray painted their Air Lid black...
http://www.bottomliner.com/secondstart.jpg


;)

I did I did.


FUCK SLP!! :lol:

hell you dont need all 8 and it'll still be fast, lol.

First off, beautiful work Mr. Lous.

Not saying mine will be fastest or faster than anyone else.
Me neither. I just hope mine is faster than it was.


Should be trapping 125 MPH (give or take) at sea level.
I hit a 125.7 mph run at the end of the year and I am hoping for 10.5 @ 128-132 this year. We'll see.

ok, fastest car not 100% race oriented. :)
My car is not 100% race oriented ... more like 94.5%
It's still a street car :)

oh and no offence J&H...Mr.Luos, do you have a long list of sponsors
No offense at all. I fully admit that my car would never be where it's at (or where it's going!) without my sponsors. I am proud to have them.

Good luck in '06 Lou ;)

stupid double posts :)

lol, didn think you would take offence. Id like to have sponsors too.

BTW when was the last time you went crusing in Hyde on Friday night? :)

BTW when was the last time you went crusing in Hyde on Friday night?

Both Jekyl and Hyde are on insruance lay over from Dec 15 to March 15, neither of them can be driven.

Before that, I'm not sure when I had Hyde out last. I would say I take him out once every week or two. It's a fun car to take out on a cruise with all of the stickers.

Hell, I've even driven through New York City in Hyde ... went right down Broadway through time square :D

The last time I went through a drive-thru at BK, Hyde was
sitting there grumbling with his lump cams and the kid at the window
said, "Hey mister, why do you have a race car out on the street."
I replied, "I don't. This is a street car that races." :D

"Free Whopper If You Can Lay Tire Tracks From Here To 2nd Window"

"What does that look like? Looks Like a Whopper To Me"

LMAO

"Free Whopper If You Can Lay Tire Tracks From Here To 2nd Window"
Too easy. :smokin:

lol

Still have a couple things to iron out. Gonna let a friend drive it that knows the F-Body better than I to determine if it is running correctly. Feels like it has NO power until around 2400 RPM's...which may just be the cam. Even then...just doesn't feel like it hits that hard. Maybe it picks up around 3500+
Gauges need installed. Going to hit that up Monday.
New BFG's need mounted along with an alignment. Sometime next week.

Anyways....
Much better....but the paint did suffer a little from the swap. Like a cheapass I didn't pick up quarter panel skirts.
http://home.comcast.net/~mrluos/Clean1.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~mrluos/Clean2.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~mrluos/Clean3.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~mrluos/Clean4.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~mrluos/Clean5.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~mrluos/Clean6.JPG

Looks friggin-A awesome ...

One question though, what's the big hose coming out form under the car in this pic:
http://home.comcast.net/~mrluos/Clean1.JPG

Is that your fuel line?! (sorry if it is a newb question :D )

Water hose. Water the lawn, wash the car, etc... :lol:

Probably should have moved that outta the pic.

Looks like a water hose to me...

Exactly what engine was it that you put in again?

LS1 based 402 cubic inch.
Iron block, Stage III heads, huge cam, 90mm intake/throttle body.
Tons of other shit as well....but those are the basics.

OMG ....I know it was the water hose for the home ... was it not obvious I was kidding?! geeeeze.

Anyway, good luck with ride Luos.

Yeah, I think JekylandHyde was trying to make the point that it's going to be using a lot more gas from now on...

Sorry J&H...my sarcasm detector was busted that night.

But yeah...it is drinking gas. Much more than before.

Exhaust gets hung up Wednesday. 3" true duals.
Although in the meantime...I have to figure out this hesitation it has.