CRX turbo vs Lightning

So I'm driving my down a pretty long in-town highway just kinda spacing out, enjoying the scenery. When all of the sudden I look to my right and see a black Ford Lightning instigating a race. He gives it a very loud and powerful rev from his 5.4 liters of supercharged mayhem, I follow suit with a rev from my 1.8 liters of fuel economy goodness. So we both check for cops/other traffic and get ready for a race. He gives the honks and we both take off from out 50 mph roll. I downshift to 2nd then pretty much instantly to 3rd. He is gaining on me a tiny bit. At about 100mph he's got about a car and a half on me, we finally slow it down. I tell him to follow me, he knods. He follows me into a k-mart parking lot, and we both get out of our cars and have a little chit-chat about our cars. I ask him if he wants to go again. He agrees. I then open the hatch on my pocket-rocket and do something I hadn't done before the previous race, which was to crack open the bottle of n20 for my little motor to sip on. I look back at him, and notice a look of concern on his face.

So time for race number two. This time I would really like to see how it plays out from a dig. We are both driving around for a while and find ourselves a nice little red light. I give it a little purge and wait for that light to set my little sub-ton honda free. As it turns green we are both off. I am a little faster off the line and grab a half a car right away, as I notice his obvious traction issues. By the time I reach 80 I have about 5 cars on him, with no sign of him gaining. I give him the thumbs up,slow down, and turn off to go home.

So I'm driving my down a pretty long in-town highway just kinda spacing out, enjoying the scenery. When all of the sudden I look to my right and see a black Ford Lightning instigating a race. He gives it a very loud and powerful rev from his 5.4 liters of supercharged mayhem, I follow suit with a rev from my 1.8 liters of fuel economy goodness. So we both check for cops/other traffic and get ready for a race. He gives the honks and we both take off from out 50 mph roll. I downshift to 2nd then pretty much instantly to 3rd. He is gaining on me a tiny bit. At about 100mph he's got about a car and a half on me, we finally slow it down. I tell him to follow me, he knods. He follows me into a k-mart parking lot, and we both get out of our cars and have a little chit-chat about our cars. I ask him if he wants to go again. He agrees. I then open the hatch on my pocket-rocket and do something I hadn't done before the previous race, which was to crack open the bottle of n20 for my little motor to sip on. I look back at him, and notice a look of concern on his face.

So time for race number two. This time I would really like to see how it plays out from a dig. We are both driving around for a while and find ourselves a nice little red light. I give it a little purge and wait for that light to set my little sub-ton honda free. As it turns green we are both off. I am a little faster off the line and grab a half a car right away, as I notice his obvious traction issues. By the time I reach 80 I have about 5 cars on him, with no sign of him gaining. I give him the thumbs up,slow down, and turn off to go home.

How much are you sqeezing cause thats a big difference....and I assume your running a low compression b18b set up for turbo and nitrous.........

heres a vid of a srt vs modded lightning
srt (stock)
lightning 6# lower pulley, exhaust, CAI, and predator tuner

http://www.gtphorsepower.com/ford/srtvL.wmv

that lightning was pretty slow for all the work thats been done to it. it barely walked a bone stock SRT 4.

seems that way but Im just comparing his run with the srt and lightning.....

i wondered if it had anything to do with the fact that it weighs like 5000 lbs :wave:

the power makes up for its weight.......

not to mention that stock for stock, the lightning is suppose to be alittle faster then the SRT4.

supposed too.........

you saw the concern on his face....


hahahaha, dude you need a remote opener for that stuff, so next time he won't even see it coming!!!!!!!!!!

good kill, i'm assuming the lightning guy wasn't a total dick to you like other members have had problems w/ lightning dicks in the past?

Remote opener isnt really necessary for my CRX as the bottle is mounted well within arms-length, though it requires me to kind of take my eyes off the road. And no he wasn't really a dick. He was an older guy who didnt seem to like imports that much, judging from our little conversation.

And for those that were wondering, his mods consisted of: k&n intake, some type of cat-back exhaust, and some type of handheld tuner.

oh... well why didn't you just leave it a surprise and wait til you were in the car...? nvm it really doesn't matter, but i'm still curious as to why you would make it all so obvious to him he was about to get bent over and raped

Remote opener isnt really necessary for my CRX as the bottle is mounted well within arms-length

why would you open the hatch and open the bottle if its right next to you............

Well I kinda wanted to see what his reaction would be, therefor I wanted to open it in front of him.

I still don’t under stand the appeal of a high-power 2WD pickup, 4x4 shore that I can understand that, but other then burnouts what’s a high-power 2WD pickup good for?

I still don’t under stand the appeal of a high-power 2WD pickup, 4x4 shore that I can understand that, but other then burnouts what’s a high-power 2WD pickup good for?

Bet me some money, line up your caprice, and find out the hard way. :smooch:

I still don’t under stand the appeal of a high-power 2WD pickup, 4x4 shore that I can understand that, but other then burnouts what’s a high-power 2WD pickup good for?

They are good for doing 13's stock apparently.

hahaha

I think he meant, why not buy a car?

To be different? To be able to carry stuff? Take a crash and not die?

hahaha

I think he meant, why not buy a car?

To be different? To be able to carry stuff? Take a crash and not die?

the ability to carry stuff yes...........but willingly no....guys with fast trucks apparently dont like to haul loads.....but it doesnt bother me if I need to haul stuff........maybe cause my trucks not fast enough....

nice race, how big of a shot of n2o were u running? to 209 SRT's first post, i think it made such a large difference because apparently he had traction issues.

it was a 50 dry shot, and yes terribly shitty tires make for quite the crappy traction

Bet me some money, line up your caprice, and find out the hard way.
I know your truck is a lot faster then my Caprice. Your truck is all moded out and all I have done to my car is remove the cat and add a locker.

My question is what’s the appeal of a vehicle with such bad weight distribution that as a result has bad traction and it can’t get all it’s power to the ground. Your already dealing with a heavy vehicle so I don’t see how the added weight of 4WD would hurt performance much and aerodynamics suck so I don’t see how drivetrain loss of 4WD would be a big deal.

I just don’t see how a 2WD pickup has performance appeal unless only thing you care about is top speed.

They are good for doing 13's stock apparently.
Yes they are, but so are cars like the Mustang and they handle better and cost less.

I know your truck is a lot faster then my Caprice. Your truck is all moded out and all I have done to my car is remove the cat and add a locker.

My question is what’s the appeal of a vehicle with such bad weight distribution that as a result has bad traction and it can’t get all it’s power to the ground. Your already dealing with a heavy vehicle so I don’t see how the added weight of 4WD would hurt performance much and aerodynamics suck so I don’t see how drivetrain loss of 4WD would be a big deal.

I just don’t see how a 2WD pickup has performance appeal unless only thing you care about is top speed.


Yes they are, but so are cars like the Mustang and they handle better and cost less.

Its just some peoples forte...love that word by the way....anyways its for the people that want something fast and powerful with the ability to haul.......cars can be fast and powerful......but you wont see a sti at lowes throwing 300 pounds of gravel in the back now would you......but I get what your saying and thats why theirs cars, trucks, suvs, motorcycles......for everyone..........

kinda off topic but 209srt, i can't help but notice that your tires are on backwards. and what kind of rims are those? they look like falken hanabi knock offs, or are they the real thing?

kinda off topic but 209srt, i can't help but notice that your tires are on backwards. and what kind of rims are those? they look like falken hanabi knock offs, or are they the real thing?

there on the wrong side.....................had a friend put them on after I took the pic I did a double take and said WTF......and yes they are REAL Falken hanabis.......

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/209srt/DSC01010.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/209srt/DSC01009.jpg

I know your truck is a lot faster then my Caprice. Your truck is all moded out and all I have done to my car is remove the cat and add a locker.

My question is what’s the appeal of a vehicle with such bad weight distribution that as a result has bad traction and it can’t get all it’s power to the ground. Your already dealing with a heavy vehicle so I don’t see how the added weight of 4WD would hurt performance much and aerodynamics suck so I don’t see how drivetrain loss of 4WD would be a big deal.

I just don’t see how a 2WD pickup has performance appeal unless only thing you care about is top speed.


Yes they are, but so are cars like the Mustang and they handle better and cost less.

I think your logic is a little off. Your saying "whats 4 tons if it already weighs 2" All that makes a big difference. I mean the thing is more built for performance than my car. As far as weight goes the thing dosn't weigh much more than the new charger or the magnum.

there on the wrong side.....................had a friend put them on after I took the pic I did a double take and said WTF......and yes they are REAL Falken hanabis.......

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/209srt/DSC01010.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/209srt/DSC01009.jpg

very nice wheels.

Yes they are, but so are cars like the Mustang and they handle better and cost less.
But a Mustang can't carry four wheels, a jack, a cooler, and tools to the track :tongue: It's fun to be different, cause let me tell you, there's nothing in the world like the look on a *insert your favorite sports car here* owners face when he gets waxed by a truck :iceslolan

I know your truck is a lot faster then my Caprice. Your truck is all moded out and all I have done to my car is remove the cat and add a locker.

My question is what’s the appeal of a vehicle with such bad weight distribution that as a result has bad traction and it can’t get all it’s power to the ground. Your already dealing with a heavy vehicle so I don’t see how the added weight of 4WD would hurt performance much and aerodynamics suck so I don’t see how drivetrain loss of 4WD would be a big deal.

I just don’t see how a 2WD pickup has performance appeal unless only thing you care about is top speed.


Yes they are, but so are cars like the Mustang and they handle better and cost less.

What in the world makes you think these things are that bad at traction? Weight distribution means nothing without good weight transfer. These things could be the worst distribution in the world, but if they put it all where it needs to be at launch, what the hell difference does it make? I'll give you a visual aid. This truck is running a stock leafspring setup and basic 4/6 drop. This pass was made with a NA 5.3L. No traction bars,no adjustable shocks, etc. Notice the weight transfer.

http://www.spearsandgears.com/image...%20JJMARLER.WMV

Launching a 4wd is totally different that launching a 2wd. 4wd guys are often complaining about the weight transfer. Buddy of mine was transfering all the weight to the rear, causing his front tires to spin and his 60ft times were increased. These guys are getting their best times by tightening up the suspension and launching flat. Here is a pic of his 4x4 truck getting too much weight transfer.
http://www.ihra.com/streetwarriorz/photos/2005/Lexington/images/DSC_0762_jpg.jpg

Don't see how added weight and parasidic drivertrain loss hurts performance? That's not even a logical statement that requires replying to. My truck weighs in at 4300lbs. Most single cab 4x4 usually weigh anywhere from 300-500 pounds more, whereas most extended cabs can get over 1000 heavier. Do the math in the 1/4. I've cut a .1 every 100lbs I've shed off the truck. Also have you ever compared a similarly modded Awd SS to a 2wd SS. drivetrain loss is huge when comparing whp.

FWIW...my truck cost me $20,000 brand new and I have around $8000 in performance mods. Even if you can get a new mustang for $28,000, it will never run an 11 for that price. My truck doesn't have to be able to take the twisties to run the 1420.

Oh, yeah....can't forget this "terribly distributed" weight transfer from a 2wd truck. :grinyes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/bad360rt/launchsig.jpg

What in the world makes you think these things are that bad at traction? Weight distribution means nothing without good weight transfer. These things could be the worst distribution in the world, but if they put it all where it needs to be at launch, what the hell difference does it make? I'll give you a visual aid. This truck is running a stock leafspring setup and basic 4/6 drop. This pass was made with a NA 5.3L. No traction bars,no adjustable shocks, etc. Notice the weight transfer.
Amen brotha! See sig pic for another example of good weight transfer :thumbsup: Leaf springs, no traction bars, adjustable shocks, Hoosiers and front sway bar removed, best 60' so far is 1.605 with a crappy 2800 stall, just wait till I get the 3800 P.I. Viper converter :wink:

Oh, yeah....can't forget this "terribly distributed" weight transfer from a 2wd truck. :grinyes:
LMAO Great minds think alike!

Fast trucks rock!!! :ylsuper:

very nice wheels.

thanks dog...look at my sig fixed it for you.....by the way are you hmong....

Amen brotha! See sig pic for another example of good weight transfer Leaf springs, no traction bars, adjustable shocks, Hoosiers and front sway bar removed, best 60' so far is 1.605 with a crappy 2800 stall, just wait till I get the 3800 P.I. Viper converter
How do you manage to stop wheel hop? Or don't you?

How do you manage to stop wheel hop? Or don't you?
No wheel hop here, Hoosiers at 14psi, I get a lil chirp and she just goes :smile: Altho, I do have Hotchkis leaf springs which are pretty stiff, and I actually have the club cab springs, which are stiffer than the normal regular cab springs, so that probably helps.