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Please Help - Dry Brushing


klutz_100
12-23-2005, 04:57 AM
I would really appreciate some help on dry brushing.

I just can't get this to work to my satisfaction and I wonder what am I doing wrong (or what am I NOT doing). I've read and researched a lot but.... :banghead:

My probem seems to be "application" related. I always seem to get paint on the area immediately surrounding the the raised part I am trying to highlight. Also you can "see" the brush marks in the pigment left behind. If I try and correct it I reach a point where I have basically re-painted the part i.e. IMO too much coverage.

I believe that I am drying the paint off the brush sufficienltly. I have tried wide, stiff bristled brushes and thinner soft brushes and this morning I even cut down to a stub various sizes of brushes but it still ain't workin' for me :(

When I am applying the paint, I am "waving" the brush quite vigorously to get it over the part as quickly as possible and so the it "hits" the part quite hard - is this right?

How do you do this?

Please help with practical advice - I have invested a lot of time and effort in my current build so far and I don't want to mess it up and I am rubbish at painting. And I am FRUSTRATED :disappoin :banghead:

gionc
12-23-2005, 06:02 AM
damn I had to read 4-5 time to understand right :grinno: ok i'm retrded but right now i've my opinion: I'm not a master but I love this topic soooooo much since I worked a lot in past on battle tanks (dirty, much dirty)
1-wide and flat brush, average hardness, looks good to me also a synth kind, good quality for avoid to lost some fur in your preferred model :iceslolan
2-it's seem to me you don't dry your brush enough: I pick some quetly-thick paint then dry it on a white canvas, when the brush stop to stain your wife Dolce&Gabbana top :grinno: it's time to move in the model: highlight only will be effected by you brush now, you will need several passes
3- it's quetly difficoult mede that on gloss colours
4- I observe better results with enamels than acrylics

I've something some good tutorial (printed) for tank modelling: if you're really desperate and not fix the bug pm me and I try to scan>send
some attempt (everyone maded much more tha 4/5 years ago, so be patient my skills was less than now)

return wishes to all family (daughter leg ok?)
ciao
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/CIMG1559.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/CIMG1562.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/CIMG1561.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/CIMG1560.jpg

klutz_100
12-23-2005, 07:51 AM
I'm not a master

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/CIMG1561.jpg

Looks like you are a master to me!!

Thanks for your reply (I only had to read it 10 times :evillol: j/k). Sorry for my bad post though

I'll try again with enamels. Do you brush "hard and mad" or "gently and softly" :rofl:

Alex removed plaster on Friday and now has a brace/frame (?) on her leg. Have you found her ski boot yet?

stevezaj
12-23-2005, 08:01 AM
You have got to make sure the brush is dry, wipe paint off on a white cloth and make sure there are no traces of paint!

You have to dry brush lightly. Usually, the surrounding areas get some of the color, but the raised ares get most of the color you are dry brushing.

If you want to dry brush only the raised surface you are going to have to brush VERY VERY GENTLY on the raised area only, a difficult task!

Try on a scrap of plastic, any piece with raised edges will do. Practice makes perfect.

klutz_100
12-23-2005, 08:15 AM
You have got to make sure the brush is dry, wipe paint off on a white cloth and make sure there are no traces of paint!

You have to dry brush lightly. Usually, the surrounding areas get some of the color, but the raised ares get most of the color you are dry brushing.

If you want to dry brush only the raised surface you are going to have to brush VERY VERY GENTLY on the raised area only, a difficult task!

Try on a scrap of plastic, any piece with raised edges will do. Practice makes perfect.

Thanks Steve - much appreciated advise.

You are absolutely right about the practice - it's just that I have so little time for modeling, I want to get right to it first time and squeeze it all in at once :uhoh: I will try and rehabilitate myself!

gionc
12-23-2005, 08:20 AM
Looks like you are a master to me!!

Thanks for your reply (I only had to read it 10 times :evillol: j/k). Sorry for my bad post though

I'm joking you: isn't bad your post, my english is terrible too: but I speak right "venessian"

I'll try again with enamels. Do you brush "hard and mad" or "gently and softly" :rofl:

it's depend from your goal: if you like a "rust tank appeal" like my skiline just rush and... if you like a little flower...

Alex removed plaster on Friday and now has a brace/frame (?) on her leg. Have you found her ski boot yet?

So you're still thinking at her leg for Christmas lunch... I'm playing with the idea to cook my 40 Kg labrador:grinno: .
I think if she slip in september, well snow was almost 250/300 km far to me, may be this spring her boot might roll trough some rivers

klutz_100
12-23-2005, 09:30 AM
... I'm playing with the idea to cook my 40 Kg labrador:grinno:


Here's my "Turkey" now show me yours :grinyes: :biggrin: :lol2:

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/839/benpatyk5sr.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7683/benauto6hx.jpg


I know you were joking Gio - that's why I like your posts ;)

gionc
12-23-2005, 10:05 AM
it's a pleasure to me introduce you, Turkey, mrs. "pepa": don't she sexy?
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/pepa.jpg
5-6 month pet
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/ninopepa.jpg
last year with my son nino, now she's just 5 years old :naughty:

klutz_100
12-23-2005, 10:23 AM
Bella Pepa!!
She's really cute :bigthumb:

My turkey is called Benson BTW (he was my prize for giving up smoking gold Benson&Hedges)

gionc
12-23-2005, 10:30 AM
Bella Pepa!!
She's really cute :bigthumb:

My turkey is called Benson BTW (he was my prize for giving up smoking gold Benson&Hedges)
I said that I'm retarded :grinno: I understand the turkey just now,so mine is a piglet :naughty: slurp

klutz_100
12-23-2005, 11:05 AM
I said that I'm retarded :grinno: I understand the turkey just now,so mine is a piglet :naughty: slurp
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

WasteGas
12-23-2005, 01:07 PM
When you load the brush with paint, brush a piece of paper untill you don't see anymore paint.

This will give you better control when you brush the raised areas on a part.

Hope that made sense.

Happy Holiday :)

daklunk
12-23-2005, 05:07 PM
ROFLMAO :rofl: I almost fell out of my chair when you said you were thinking of cooking your lab...

I just tried dry brushing yesterday. Looks like giovanni is a lot better than me (looks great!) but I'll share what worked for me. I have some cheap "soft" brush (bristles are like fake fur or something) and I use whatever paint I thought the underbody (parts box civic chassis) might have scraped. I used aluminum, rust, tan, flat black, etc. I did a couple of very very light mist coats of primer and flat black and drybrushed the floor pan with aluminum mainly (some rust) and applied light rust to the exhaust areas. I used a little tan on the gas tank and whatever wasn't metal. Sorry, no pics, my camera is down. It turned out pretty good, I thought, but then I did the rear wheel wells with tan and it looked all messed up. I'm gonna toy with it tonight...

klutz_100
12-23-2005, 11:52 PM
Thanks Daklunk, that's very useful feedback for me.

It would be great to see some pix when your camera is back "up".

PS From your sig, it looks like you are into Beagle burritos ;)

gionc
12-24-2005, 01:33 AM
you might also do some wash afret drybrushing to smooth, blend all and for shadow enhancing: you could use mattblack or rust. an other good material to recreate old iron>rust are oil-artist- colors thinned with white spirit: it's cure very long but the result -rust- are impressive. after that treatmet you can repeat a light drybrush..

I think in my chassis are a couple step.. dry-wash-dry-wash-dry..

yes.. this beagle could have a good taste :naughty: saundry barbecue?

klutz_100
12-24-2005, 02:10 AM
Thanks Gio!

I'm not in the clinic today so I've been sneaking some model time this morning while everyone in the house is still asleep :) I'll try to post a picture of what I have done and let me know what you think and suggestions please.

Anyone for hot-dogs? :)))

daklunk
12-24-2005, 06:49 PM
Beagles are OK, just make sure to get indoor dogs, they can be a bit tough and bony otherwise :tongue::grinno:

OK, here's pics, camera's up and running once more! Sorry for the poor quality...
This is one of my first models, the 93 Civic (diecast shell) built OOB with minimal paint. This is the untouched undercarriage:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/daklunk/noweather.jpg
And this is the same chassis (from a differnt build that I scrapped) but with this weathering described above. I thought it turned out OK...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/daklunk/weathered.jpg

Now let's see yours! :biggrin:

Whumbachumba
12-25-2005, 12:41 AM
These are some pictures of my drybrushing on my Warhammer 40,000 models. Once again, pictures don't do it justice.

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/7131/rhino18td.jpg
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/3491/rhino25pd.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7093/hover18kw.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7999/hover26yr.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8112/hover35jc.jpg

klutz_100
12-27-2005, 10:29 AM
Now let's see yours! :biggrin:

OK :uhoh:

Here's a sample of what I managed to put together:

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6125/weatheredchasis025ni.jpg

If you are interested you can see some more here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=3676128&goto=3676128) in my WIP

Thanks for your help!!!

How about Beagle Bagles? :biggrin:

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