Ca18det

ok ive searched but havent found much info on the CA...i just need to know how much boost they can take on stock internals and stock fuel system and is the swap any harder than a SR?

ALSO a few questions on the KA...i just want to run a ka-t on stock internals and fuel system so i was thinking if the motor is in good condition how much boost can it take and which turbo would be a good choice for that kind of setup? i was just thinking of having a custom turbo mani, turbo, wastegate,bov,downpipe and the oil lines...MAYBE intercooler...

as you guys can tell im on about a $1500 budget

you want like 6 psi

1) save $$$
2) read faqs
3) CA r old...hard 2 fined aftermarket stuff
4) SR KA-T.. will cost $2300
5) KA-t.org try that out

i think he could do it for 1500 just skip the IC, and go really low boost.

what turbo would you suggest? would a t25 be ok or should i get a bigger one? i heard people have made a turbo setup for a little more than grand and are faster than stock SRs..

yeah well get any t3 or t2 based turbo if you are going cheap. dont boost over 6-8 lbs unless you know what the hell your doing, and have fuel management.
my buddy got a t3 from a junkyard for 50 bucks and it lasted him a year until he had enough to get a new t3/t4
get a stock S13 or DSM side mount(s13 will bolt right on)for a hundred bucks or so. then get a 1st gen DSM blow off valve(with the flange tube), get a log-style manifold(fuck the cheap ebay tube manifolds), quality steel braided oil lines cuz theyre cheap, any aftermarket downpipe for like 150 bucks, upgraded injectors(370cc is good, stock SR sized), and a walbro 255lph pump, and a basic boost controller, and a basic fuel controller. should be around 1500 or so with reliability.

oh and swapping a CA18det if you can get an SR20det is like swapping a b20a into a civic. slower, less potential, hard as hell to find parts, no point

o i see the CA just caught my eyes because of the price and the fact that its already turboed

The CA is cheap, can easily go to like 300whp which is more then most people need on the road and parts are not that hard to find, I mean injectors, intake, intercooler, exhaust, turbo, can all be used from the SR/KA and for an exhaust manifold and cams or anything that's enigne specific, just find a japanese importer, they can find anything.

Yea jspec.com or probably pandgarage.com can. You will have to call them and tell them what you want, then maybe wait weeks or months for them to go to or call there hook up in japan, find the part at an ok price then come back and sell it to you. Im sure there are some die hard CA fans over in japan. Like we have ka fans here lol. Minorities unite!!!

im sure he could do it for around that much. Get a leak down and compression test. FMU, mani, t25(or some other junkyard found turbo),dp,bov,exhaust. Shit you may not even need exhaust if your that tight on money. Atleast not right away. If you get what im saying. No intercooler, i would prolly just stay at 5 psi for insurance issues. It really depends on what you wanna risk lol. You could get a new fuel pump too. But i would be quick to upgrade as soon as possible. Like a safc or get a chip with maf and bigger injectors. Are you still saving and just want to get a small setup going for a "at the moment" setup, or is this all you really plan on doing? Cuz i would for sure just get a small intercooler and better fuel management and a tune of some sort. If thats all you plan on..then you can up dem psi's a bit too which is always a fun factor right!!


you could always gut your cat to, to help free up some flow since you have 2 1/4" stock pipes. It shouldnt be loud with out it anyways. Plus your turbo'd so exhaust db's go down naturally. Just make sure emissions test isnt coming up lol. But it may not matter.


*question* What else is done to your car?

ca18det's look like rb's chopped into 2/3, cool engines tho...

i like ca over sr because its lighter, its iron, better head, and uses a timing belt :)

sure sr has .2 more liters and is newer, but if you know what your doing and replace parts like water pump, oil pump, clutch, timing belt, and inspect bearings you should be alright. whoever said 6psi needs to check themselves, fuel and intake systems need to be upgraded at 15psi before the motor, but the motor can take atleast 15. oh yea no rocker stoppers too :)

he was talking ka un intercooled......5-6 psi is good.....

oh snap! i better checkity check myself before i wreckity wreck myself..

ya duddde go for it maan youll be cool w/ no intercooler or fuel managent at 15 psi that will be sicckkk

oh snap! i better checkity check myself before i wreckity wreck myself..

ya duddde go for it maan youll be cool w/ no intercooler or fuel managent at 15 psi that will be sicckkk

i said intake and fuel would need upgrade at 15psi, your dumb as fuk

ok ive searched but havent found much info on the CA...i just need to know how much boost they can take on stock internals and stock fuel system and is the swap any harder than a SR?

ALSO a few questions on the KA...i just want to run a ka-t on stock internals and fuel system so i was thinking if the motor is in good condition how much boost can it take and which turbo would be a good choice for that kind of setup?

as you guys can tell im on about a $1500 budget

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CA18DET are better than SRs. Do not argue with me.
Reasons:
1. CA18DET is iron, better head, it can rev much higher without rockers falling off. It can easily take 12 PSI stock. It is based on the RB too.
2. CA18 is found in the 200sx. the RWD one, so parts are no issue in the USA, you can get any part for it in your local Advance Auto Parts.
3. It just rules the JDM 4 cyl.

But since you have the KA, just turbo charge it, KA is a very boost friendly engine. People got over 500whp on stock buttom end. So yeah, it is one hell of a truck motor.

actually i dont have the car yet but ive always loved 240s and im really in a serous debate whether to switch over to nissan or stick with honda...to me when i really look at it hondas just too expensive and theres not much power even after you spend loads of money...if i dont switch over to nissan i will be working on a LS...but $1500 is the money i have to put into the car not for the car itself and ive been debating whether to get a s13 or s14...i know the s13 is lighter but by how much? after i took a ride in my friends 240 w/SR20DET i really started looking towards nissan...i just would rather prefer a KA over a SR because im not looking to drift or anything just having straight line power is good enough for me...i will be slowly upgrading my car once i get it so i was thinking a small turbo setup for now and upgrade as i go on...getting into 13s in the 1/4 is good enough for me im not looking for 350whp i really think around 220-230whp is good enough...

CA18DET are better than SRs. Do not argue with me.
Reasons:
1. CA18DET is iron, better head, it can rev much higher without rockers falling off. It can easily take 12 PSI stock. It is based on the RB too.
2. CA18 is found in the 200sx. the RWD one, so parts are no issue in the USA, you can get any part for it in your local Advance Auto Parts.
3. It just rules the JDM 4 cyl.

But since you have the KA, just turbo charge it, KA is a very boost friendly engine. People got over 500whp on stock buttom end. So yeah, it is one hell of a truck motor.

the CA18 in the 200SX is single cam so not the same engine, also the KA bottom end can't hold 500whp on a daily basis, the rings lands will say bye bye at like 300-400 depending on the condition of the engine.

so what do you guys think? s14 or s13 coupe? i like both body styles but the thing is the s14 has lower miles which i like and i wanted a s13 headlight conversion if i did get the s13 so in the end i think getting a s13 would be more expensive...i think im going to stick with a '95-96 240SX because i like how the body is already and i find them a lot easier than the s13 coupe...

CA18DET are better than SRs. Do not argue with me.
Reasons:
1. CA18DET is iron, better head, it can rev much higher without rockers falling off. It can easily take 12 PSI stock. It is based on the RB too.
2. CA18 is found in the 200sx. the RWD one, so parts are no issue in the USA, you can get any part for it in your local Advance Auto Parts.
3. It just rules the JDM 4 cyl.

But since you have the KA, just turbo charge it, KA is a very boost friendly engine. People got over 500whp on stock buttom end. So yeah, it is one hell of a truck motor.


Don't argue with you? Don't be a dumbass.

Nissan designed the SR to replace the CA. Nissan is smarter than you. You think your just gonna take a CA to 9K out of the donor car? Uhh, have fun with that champ. I know two people in my town alone that rev SRs to 8K with shitty HKS springs and 262s. If you want really high revs you get the SR N2 Head which has seen OVER 11,500RPM.

The SR can take 18lbs stock internal and 12 bone stock on a daily basis.

Its Iron? thats really cool. seeing as how the CA is setting so many JDM power records. oh... wait...

SR is found in G20, NX200 and Sentra SE-R. so your point is?


KA Record is 480 something on the stock bottom end. SR record is 580whp


Get your facts straight before you try the "I am the Master of CA18" bullshit, Son.

^^^ YEAH what he said
(got to it before me)

maan i want a SR that revs near or over 11,500 RPM.

the old n2 s13's did, pretty nuts, also there were some f3000 cars with sr20de that were pretty cool, i think it was f3000 anyhow, if youve seen the shuto kousoku series youd know, its in one of them, the third i think...

The Drag SRs do... thats where their power peak is.

T51R
+
N2 Head
+
Tomei 2.2
=
1000+Whp
=
9.78 on street tires.

that seems like a lot of power just to make 9's, i remember an option where an s13 had a t88 34hd or something and was making 800ps and ran low 9's...

well he did say street tires im guessing thats a big part of it

it was running on street tires (the one im talking about)
but since i cant remember it that well ill try and find it...it was a blue silvia s13 it was in a option magazine back a year or so....

Well, I got that from a site thats been lost in time.


I dunno what their doing now. :dunno:

go away. no one wants to talk to you
mr. negativity

cosigned

hahaha...
so that site no longer exists?

1000hp+9.67e.t.=gheyness

people are in the 9's with half that power. Oh wait that must suck cause light cars can't use torque I remeber now.
If you don't like the lightweight vehicles, that's fine. But please, don't go slamming them every chance you get.

Now please, let us continue with the thread.

Lets clear some stuff up.


Since you apparently can't argue with me in a logical fashion I'll bring it to your door step.

You seem to think that 3300lbs is light. This brings me to believe that you have never driven a light car (sub 2700lbs) with torque. On anything other than D/Rs light cars with torque gets you wheelspin, wheelspin in turn gets you slower lap times and some bitch of a car to drive whenever you doing anything other than 3rd gear burnouts. This is where you think "OMFG 3rd gear burnouts mean your car is fast." while 3rd gear burnouts are good for showing off for your 13yr old girlfriend, they do nothing for winning races. Moving on... even the top fuel car that you jerk off to seems to have 7000hp and 4500ftlbs of torque...


Im not saying that Torque is completely unessicary, just that a whole bunch of it on Street tires is wack. You seem to be slippery sloping this into thinking that I think that 190whp an 0 torque will be fast, which is false.


As for the simple and common part... I have no idea what I was getting at with that. I could care less what motor a car has as long as it gets the job done. Wait... let me repeat that so maybe you'll see it and it will make it though the "LT1 is god" filter your retarded brain has - I could care less what motor a car has as long as it gets the job done. So, moving on... a LS1 has yet to prove itself in a 240SX. all it seems to be good for is going down the drag strip on slicks and skinnys. The LS1 powered FD in Sport Compact Car did horribly... 450whp got it 8th place. Then, the only possible way I could see it be faster cheaper than a KA with a big turbo is if you've already got an LS sitting around.

So... Now I'll sit here and be mad that I wrote all that out for you to skitter around with illogical arguments and unrelated topics.

^agrees^

Phat KA-t did over 500whp stock buttom end KA-t. And yes I know you can't daily drive it.
CA is a mechanically better engine. It was substituted due to less build cost, not because SR was "so superior to any engine". I would take a F20C1 (s2000 engine) over SR anyday though. CA is better design as it does not have extra parts to break.
So what that 200sx came with SOHC, most parts are the same, the block is close if not the same.

If I had a choice I would go KA24DE, SR would be second as there are so many parts for it. But If nissan made a bigger engine similar to CA it would be my choice.

you mean like an rb?

Pavlo just tell Carlos to make a new 4 cyl. 2.4L CA turbo, and put it in a bunch of S15.3 Masa Motorsports lookin' Silvias for like $25,000 LHD and RHD all over the world. How could that car be anything but a resounding success. Why only the 350Z and then GT-R? I'm voting for Pavlo.

CA is a mechanically better engine. It was substituted due to less build cost, not because SR was "so superior to any engine". I would take a F20C1 (s2000 engine) over SR anyday though. CA is better design as it does not have extra parts to break.
So what that 200sx came with SOHC, most parts are the same, the block is close if not the same.

If I had a choice I would go KA24DE, SR would be second as there are so many parts for it. But If nissan made a bigger engine similar to CA it would be my choice.

True... the F20C is a superior design to the SR20. But, the CA18 isnt an F20C. You keep going on about superiority but give no reasons besides "its the same as an RB"... The KA is the same as an RB... but it can't fit 290 duration 13mm lift cams, nor could it rev to 12,000 even if the bore/stroke allowed.

Basically, I think your being spoon fed arguments from people who are trying to justify not shelling out for the SR. The only way to snap the rockers on the SR that your calling inferior is to smack the rev-limiter at 8000+ RPM.

Power (hp)= { torque(lbf) X angular speed (rpm) } / (5252)

:

TQ = (hp X 5252) / (RPM)

so u can't have HP w out TRQ....

cant you just go shell out 60$ to get RAS so that wont happen?

I am by no means saying that SR20 is a bad engine, I like it. But I still think that if you looks into details in both engines, CA has fewer "weak spots" than other nissan 4cyl. Yes KA is no race engine and probably never will be but I like the simplicity. Today SR is the best choice as there are all these parts to fix the imperfections, but still have the ability to make something out of the engine. This discussion is based on personal preference, there will always be people who will prove their engine is the best, and the discussion will last forever.
These are my last words in this thread.

cant you just go shell out 60$ to get RAS so that wont happen?

I've heard that Rocker Arm Stoppers will make the problem worse if something actually happens.

After thinking about it, I agree, and I'd rather spend the money towards good Valve springs like Toda or Tomei.

Power (hp)= { torque(lbf) X angular speed (rpm) } / (5252)

:

TQ = (hp X 5252) / (RPM)

so u can't have HP w out TRQ....


Nope. And you can't have a fast car without WHP.

Semi trucks aren't fast. Tow trucks arent' fast. But F1 cars are fast. Hmm. and they make shit for torque. Same with sport bikes. They are just capable of maintaining a good amount of torque throughout the RPM range.

i wonder why that is worse wit ras, and are the hks valve springs that bad, ive never really seen hks release bad products, and they use them their own cars too...
i know a guy who just got a whole hks valvetrain in his s14 and his target is about 380 whp...would that stuff be a problem? (its a blacktop, non notchback)...and his bro had his r33 (its totaled now, freakin chevy chase) in one of the first scc supercar dealies and im pretty sure knows what hes doing...

Well the rocker arm stoppers instead of just letting the rocker jump, they are holding the rocker in place. But what happens in the head (collapsing of lifter pivots from low oil pressure) should technically just let the rocker slide out under the stopper. Then the stoppers just get in the way and create problems.


SR20 HKS Head stuff isn't that great. Matter of fact... there are probably very few HKS parts that I would run over stuff from other companys.

-Their Cams are really mild compared to other companys like Toda and Tomei. For example Tomei 256s are bigger than HKS 262s.

-Their Valve springs are the all the same specs as OEM Spings.

That being said, your friend could make 380whp on the stock head and the HKS stuff won't hurt. but there is better stuff out there.

hes going to run 264's
that is what i am running right now, but my hks cams arent they new type, they are older from when their stage 1 cams for sr20 was 264, so both my in/ex is 264 stage 1...