I always wondered....

Why so many people seem to think that a stealth/3kgt (non-turbo) can beat a 96-98 gt stock for stock. I have a fried who had a 93 stealth and he would always say that he would either be within 1 car length of me or beat me if we raced. I didn't think much of it driving a car with more power and torque (a 98 gt) but we finally did end up racing randomly one day from about a 40mph roll, and i pulled him like it was nothing. Is there something special about these cars that I dont know about?


And no, I'm not here to brag about my car being faster or blah blah blah, but are these things really supposed to beat v-8 mustangs stock for stock?

thats because you raced an SOHC, a more rare form of a non-turbo 3/S found in the stealth base models and 97-99 3000GT base models. They only came out of the factory with approximately 160 hp because of lower compression pistons and crappy single overhead cam heads. Find yourself a DOHC car to run and you wont walk away from it like that.

Um, we think DOHC cars can beat/be even with a 94-97 GT, not 98+

Um, we think DOHC cars can beat/be even with a 94-97 GT, not 98+

98s are the same as 97s, the mustangs changed in 99.

hey if you ever come to va i will race ya i have a base 3000gt 1996 DOHC stock even though just got a speeding ticket dont mind another one.

the dohc should keep up/beat a 98 and older mustang gt no problem.

my car, on the other hand...

yea vr-4s are nothing to mess around with, though my civic before i totaled it would walk all over those if they were stock or close to it. As for the other stealths the RT is the DOHC one isnt? and theres also the RT/TT which is the vr-4 equivilant correct?

98 gained 10hp, I thought it was more

my civic before i totaled it would walk all over those if they were stock or close to it.

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Doubtful if you were talking about a vr4, N/A I could picture if you had a lot of money in it.

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Doubtful if you were talking about a vr4, N/A I could picture if you had a lot of money in it.




:lol2: :nono:

it was a 93 hatchback b18 vtec with a t3/t04 turbo with some other less moders and a 50 shot....
so about 300 hp in a car weighing less than a ton....

hey if you ever come to va i will race ya i have a base 3000gt 1996 DOHC stock even though just got a speeding ticket dont mind another one.

...Base models only came with SOHC. You probably have an SL.

Yea modded civic hatch's are no joke...well in the speed category at least...

But yeah, i've raced a '98 GT in my DOHC '94 SL we stayed about even 'till we hit traffic...got up to about 80 mph from a dig.

I had the choice between a modded 94-98 GT (don't remember the year) and the 3kgt at the dealership, drove both and was unimpressed by the GT, for a post-80's V8 that thing is slow.

...Base models only came with SOHC. You probably have an SL.


No...3000GT's didn't have a SOHC 'till '97. Bases just came w/o options.

oops, he has a '96. I thought it said '98. :rolleyes: my bad

yep its a 1996 so its good and everything

well from my race (the guy had a convertible crome Cobra rs and 4 people) from a dead stop he left me while i spun off the line caught traction he was about a car length in front of me.
tacked out 1 nose to rearbumber
tack out 2 his nose to my rear bumber.
now i'm guessing it had been me and just him from a dead stop i wouldent 'of caught up til like third maybe third or somthin. but my race was with a 97 or below
like stated the body didnt change in 98 but the motor did to make a pathatic attempt to fight off LS1. and then in 99 they were forced to do somthing out poped the new gt, mach 1 and cobra svt super charged. but back to what i was saying the prior gt modles an r/t and gto can handel . we have the same horse power but damn that little thing called torque u guys got. plus a two door coupe wieghs in a like 3080 an r/t gto 3375 pounds thats alot

Gt's were never intended to compete with z28s really. and the ls1 showed up in camaros in 98. the mustang v8 in 94/95 was a 5.0 then changed in 96 to a 4.6. then in 99' came a new body style and 40 more hp in the gt

It's kind of sad you compare a 3.0L GTO with a 4.6L or 5.0L V8 in the first place... I guess that goes to show the difference between a Ford with an extra 2 cylinders and 2.0L and a Japanese car with a smaller engine and similar weight

...yea...think of how badass american V8s would be if we hired some japs to tune them...

Why is that sad? just because the ford has the bigger engine with similar output doesnt mean their cars are worse than that of mitsubishi's

Im sure ford could have got another 100bhp out of their V8 if they had put more time into tuning.

yea but that would more than likely have raised the price of the mustang quite a bit. and pony cars were intended to be pretty cheap for the amount of performance

I'd take a stock 3000GT over a mustang any day just for the fact that the 3000 doesnt look like a rectangle :naughty:

...yea...think of how badass american V8s would be if we hired some japs to tune them...


they'd prolly slap on a turbo or 2 and call it a day...

they'd prolly slap on a turbo or 2 and call it a day...

that or V-TEC.
statement about compete with ls1's was ford pathatic attempt however ford was trying to make the mustang aFORDable as possible. for example you can run midgrade gas in the 4.6 i don't think its the same with the ls1. but what gave the ford the hp jump was heads and a new cam. and i would deffenitly pick a GTO/ Stealth over an everyday "Secretary's" car .

Ok, let's not start digging into Fords, as I think this is the first Ford owner who has come in here without an attitude :)

Anyway, I just wanted to say one thing. As far as the DOHC vs. pre 99 GTs, I wouldn't say either will definantly emerge victorious. In all honesty, I'd give the GT better odds (talking about manual vs. manual). Yes DOHC SLs have run 14.9s, but so did my buddy's 97/98 (?) GT. Generally, the SLs are considered to run a bit higher...like low-mid 15s...as well I'd guess GTs probably are rated somewhere in the low 15s as well. My point is, I don't think we should be saying one will beat the other, because I think they are so close that the most important thing is the driver. So yeah, I just wanted to say that the DOHC will keep up with you, but I wouldn't try to predict a winner.

I have the SOHC... and I raced my buddy's 96 Mustang 3.8l... and I had no problem taking him... from a dig, roll, or even at the stoplight (starting from idle)... my car was mostly stock at the time... the only thing I had was dual exhaust (as did he)... he'd get me off the line, b/c of that extra torque... but I'd get him by the end of second gear... then again... his car only lasted until a few weeks later... b/c he got an oil change at Midas, and they put in the wrong dipstick... showing more oil than it had... and therefore blowing the engine...
The new owner has since put in a 2000 3.8l ( had to use the 96 heads, rebuilt) and a supercharger... so he's putting down quite a bit more than I now...

like stated the body didnt change in 98 but the motor did to make a pathatic attempt to fight off LS1. and then in 99 they were forced to do somthing out poped the new gt, mach 1 and cobra svt super charged. but back to what i was saying the prior gt modles an r/t and gto can handel . we have the same horse power but damn that little thing called torque u guys got. plus a two door coupe wieghs in a like 3080 an r/t gto 3375 pounds thats alot

so apparently you no nothing about mustangs

...yea...think of how badass american V8s would be if we hired some japs to tune them...

Maybe you havent seen any modern V8's.

I agree. With the ammount of money that a brand new 3000GT would cost now, you could buy a brand new corvette that has over 400rwhp and monstrous torque. Just an observation.

Why is that sad? just because the ford has the bigger engine with similar output doesnt mean their cars are worse than that of mitsubishi's
That all depends on opinion 98MustangGT, I like mitsubishis better than Fords and Im sure you like Fords better, which is why we have the cars we do, and for a Ford I do like the Mustang. I also agree with whoever said you don't have an attitude coming in the 3s chat room, we appreciate that in the fact we can discuss an issue without everyone taking their gloves off. Hats off to you 98MustangGT.

What would happen if you put both of these cars on a track with curves?

the 3000gt corners a whole lot bettter then the mustang so i figure the 3000gt will win.