06 GTO Love it or Hate it?

I hate the fake car but hate to see GM go under, it just seems strange for them to be haveing problems with all the deep roots they have.

THIS IS A REAL GTO
http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/Cars/GTO%20-%20Gold/GTO-01-06.jpg
THIS IS A FAKE GTO
http://www.the-hole.com/gto/2004-GTO.jpg

I don't know about you people but the real GTO looks like it's going 100 just sitting in park, the other one looks like a prototype 96 mustang.

All in all what car would you want to drive?

The new GTO looks WAY cleaner and more subtle than a mid 1990s Mustang.

That (1972?) GTO doesn't look like it is going 40 mph. I like the styling of the 1970 GTO a lot more.

http://www.netcarshow.com/pontiac/1970-gto/1024x768/wallpaper_01.jpg

I think the Solstice looks like it is going 100 mph and I'd guess that some of the 15,000 people who have orders for would agree.

http://automobilemag.com/news/0601_pontiac_solstice_01_900.jpg

Also, the new GTO wasn't meant to replace the Firebird as the new GTO is a lot more refined and modern than the 2002 Firebird. As I have said before, GM has revived rwd plans.

GM reverses course, says revised version of Zeta rear-drive architecture is back on track

Automotive News

9/12/05

DETROIT - Six months after General Motors halted plans to use its Zeta rear-wheel-drive car architecture in North America, the company has revived the program.

In an interview with Automotive News last week, Jim Queen, GM's vice president of global engineering, said a revised version of Zeta is back on track.

Engineered at GM's Holden subsidiary in Australia, Zeta was expected to be the basis of the next-generation Pontiac Grand Prix and GTO; the Chevrolet Impala, Monte Carlo and a new version of the Camaro; and other vehicles. Vehicles in the program were expected to debut as early as 2006.

Queen did not discuss vehicles on the new version of Zeta or timing. Some vehicles that could be in the Zeta program include the next-generation Pontiac GTO as well as a Chevrolet coupe and sedans. They could debut by the 2009 or 2010 model year, say one company source and one industry analyst.

Queen said initial plans for Zeta stretched the architecture beyond its limits for some North American vehicles. "We needed to reassess and reconfigure the program," he said.

"As we started counting who was in and who was out of Zeta, we realized too late" that Zeta would not work in North America, Queen said.

Part of GM's reasoning in slowing Zeta's development was to focus on pulling forward its full-sized SUVs and pickups. GM's next-generation SUVs will debut early next year.

At the time, GM Vice Chairman Robert Lutz wrote on GM's FastLane blog that GM had "canceled & plans to build rear-wheel-drive vehicles off the Zeta architecture."

"But that does not mean we've canceled plans to build rear-drive vehicles altogether," Lutz wrote. "We are simply reallocating resources (human and financial) to pull some other programs ahead and get other vehicles to market sooner."

The revised Zeta program is being developed in GM's Australian engineering center. The vehicle line executive on the program is Gene Stefanyshyn, the former vehicle line executive for GM's Epsilon, or mid-sized cars, in North America.

A GM spokesman said no product plans have been approved and that GM still is studying design themes, performance characteristics and variants for Zeta vehicles.

GM uses the term "architecture" to signify a common set of components, performance characteristics, a common manufacturing process, a range of dimensions and connecting points for key component systems.

As for the GTO being slow, Car & Driver tested one in their January 2005 issue.

0-60 in 4.8 seconds

0-100 in 11.7

0-130 in 19.6 second

1/4 mile in 13.3 at 107 mph

Top speed of 158 (governor limited)

roadholding, 300-foot skidpad .88 g

Seems that just about every mag has a different ET for the fake GTO, so without a test on a non Air/ power optioned out fake GTO who knows what ET it dose. Can you even get that fake car without AC?

I do like the looks of the 70 and it may even be my next project after my M14 half track, the 70 is the same as the 71 and 72 , however the front ends are different, I can put my 72 front on a 70 and a 70 on my 72, however I love the deep intakes on the top and front of the car, and the sweet working air extractors on my 72.


Besides the 70 looks alot like a Firebird. Why a ? on the 72 GTO?
http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/Cars/GTO%20-%20Gold/GTO-01-02.jpg

Sure the 2 seater looks nice but I can't help to be haunted by the sbc under the hood, Pontiac makes the best looking cars on Earth, it's just a shame that Pontiac never got to use it's own engines to power what it makes. Set back and think how cool it would be to see a 389 DOHC TPI, CNP engine spanking Chevys Gen 4 around the track... (homer)MMMMMMM KILLLL CHHHHEVVVVYYY....http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/Cars/GTO%20-%20Gold/GTO-01-04.jpg
I was making no stab at the firebird replacement, it was just on that picture that had the GTO up side down, kinda like an American Flag upside down, or I just felt the jester of it.
http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/Cars/GTO%20-%20Gold/GTO-01-03.jpg

Check out the super rare duck bill wing, this car is way more "sporty" in my eyes then the "1970 have to put more to look at" on the car.

Don't get me wrong the 70 is great, but it's 1969 van moon bubble window look makes it look about 3,000 more pounds then it is, but I still would like one. Truth, I think I would get a 67 before a 70, I know the 70-72 A body, I know the 66-67 is not much different, but i'm in love with the stacked headlights with eyebrows.http://www.americandreamcars.com/1967gto030803.jpghttp://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/Cars/GTO%20-%20Gold/GTO-01-08.jpg
Because my GTO was a basket case I was in my right to cut her up a little, and in fact most of my 72 is Sport Lemas, only the frame and body shell fenders, front and rear valance most glass and one door are 72 GTO.

I would find a beat up 67 GTO thats not ever going to be 100% again to do my next car, as i'm all about making it fast then sending away for the repo ignition instructioafty and speedns that fit over the lock.
I would also like to find a nice Bon conv like a 66 or 67 to take trips on.

I love the new generatiopn gto's. I know they really arent gto's but rebadged holdens which popntiac just happen to call gto. This car was never intended to be a gto. Yes I know all these baby boomers are upset that it doesnt look like a 30 year old car, But its a great car. My friend has an 04 and the first time I got a ride I was overwhelmed how great the car is. The brakes are awesome, even though they are not brand name liek brembo. The suspension on the car is top notch, taking a winding offramp at 70mph was no problem while the seatrs hug you to death, which is pretty "un-american". This is a performance car (even though it weights alot), not a cruiser. The interior is awesome for an american car, and so is the dash and so is everything else. The dashes with the knobs and switches tend to look to plain in american cars, like they are just there cause they have to be, but this is "un-american" I can say. I dont doubt that gm makes great cars, I love their gmc truck line. But in the past 10 years the interior of any foreign car would be the smack out of the same price range american car. The new gto can actually sit 4 people confrotably. We decided to take my friends 04 gto to great lakes dragaway to the rsd event on one saturday. and there was 4 of us in there confortably, 2 6'+'s and 2 5'6"-6' people and we fit in great. The stylign is not bad as well. Id say this, it took australians to make an american car right.

"popntiac" I like that, for some reason I like that...

Well I'm not sure what to write, fisrt off it's not just a bunch of babay boomers who don't like it being called a GTO, i'm 31 and I hate the car being named what it is, and for most my friends, even Chevy guys don't think it was the right way to do it, kinda think of it, everybody I know who know "engines" think this is a trumped up Lie in some way or another.

I don't know what to write to you about what you said, it may be because i'm tired but it looks like your saying "America got it right this time" at the same time saying yea it's a import? Did I read it wrong?

For years Chevy has put SBC's into Pontiac shells, however they never put a Chevy in what is Pontiac or Pontiac Motor Division's (PMD) gift to the world, "The first muscle car", but they did'nt stop at just doing that, GM got a Aussi born car and put a SBC in it and shipped it over to America with 3M Pontiac stickers and said "Look here world, we did it again, back from the dead the new GTO"!

What they did was piss on, what Pontiac's legend was.

It's not an "Old Man" problem, just about every mag that did a spot on this "bastard" noted the fact that it's imported and Chevy powered.

It's a Lie, and with some well placed funding for Pontiac events by GM it's getting pushed for sales.

For the true Pontiac Blue, it is a Fake.

Sure it's a quick car, and it may have nice seats, but is that all people are sold out on? The dam thing puts out American Jobs, is that an American Legend?

I'm not sayin your not allowed to like it, it's a free country, i'm just saying look at it for what it is, and then see what it is not, and thats a real GTO.

Sure the 2 seater looks nice but I can't help to be haunted by the sbc under the hood

The Solstice doesn't have an sbc. It has a GM 2.4 liter ecotech I-4 with 177 hp.

Your 1972 Pontiac looks better now that I've seen more pictures. I like the side vents. Are they functional?

But in the past 10 years the interior of any foreign car would be the smack out of the same price range american car. Id say this, it took australians to make an american car right.

What about the interior of the Panoz Esperante GTLM? It is hand-built, has an aluminum chassis (with carbon fiber for 2006), and has a 420 hp 4.6 liter Ford SVT supercharged V-8.

http://www.theraceforum.com/images/forum/3038-23-1.jpg

http://www.theraceforum.com/images/forum/3038-20-1.jpg

How about the Cadillac XLR?

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/08/xlr05_inter.jpg

The hand-built Dodge Viper SRT10 doesn't have a luxurious interior, but...

"Accompanying this latest generation of the Viper is the opportunity to select various options to customize the car, including the stone-white stripes made famous by the Viper GTS combined with various exterior colors, two wheel styles (a five-spoke and an H-pattern), and interior leather color combinations."

- Car & Driver November 2005

"hand-built Dodge Viper SRT10"? Do they really hand build these? Do they build all Vipers by hand or just the "flag ships"?

The side air extractors work, they have 2 jobs, one is to help cool the engine, the 2nd is to bleed out all the air thats being pushed into the engine bay, if you take a look at 71 , it's grill is allmost flush with the endura, but the 72 and 70 were deep, the 72 however has bigger openings and with the lower intakes and the hood intakes the air would "float" the front end during high speed runs, the 71's intakes were flush and did not have the "Ram" or forward air pushing into the engine bay effect as much as the 72.


http://www.cruisenclassics.com/images/72%20Yellow%20GTO/PIC00001.JPG
http://ultimategto.com/1971/71_00073_2.jpg
http://www.dreams-cars.net/images/Galerie/Pontiac/Pontiac_GTO_1970/Pontiac_GTO_1970_01.jpg

I was told that if you took a 1971 and a 1972 and ran them around the track till they got good and hot, that the 1972's fenders/hood are cooler then the 1971. I have never been able to test this however it makes good sense that it's true, as the air moves past the rear of the engine and out the vents. I polished mine http://www.geocities.com/ramairgto72/STEVEsPICTURES/60s4.JPG , I have kinda a combo of years of parts on my car, and I have changed my mind about haveing my grills white, it was a good idea in my head, but it's not so cool in the picture, I also have the chrome crosses that go on top of the front trun signals but i'm not sure if I should put them on (i'm all about keeping weight off the car).

On top of all that I have to replace the deck lid, i'm going with carbonfiber/glass with the wing, but at the same time I'm going to put the ultra light (6lbs vs 160+lbs) glass/carbon endura replacement, I don't know if I'm going to put the grills back in, what do you think?

I guess I like the 72 over the other years because it's more of a function car, no fake scoops or vents, and it's allmost a ricer look factory car from 72, it has the wings and vents that work, it has what grabs your eye when you seen some dorked import with fake glass, but PMD did it right, and no other car of that year made my the big 3 has this kinda "ready""fast" look to it, even the mustangs had fake vents that can even been seen today on the new one.

Look Im not trying to knock on you all in any way, but I think its a solid car. Ofcourse it never was meant and developed to be a gto, I think I mentioned that in my frist thread. I just think its a really nice car, I know it has upset alot of chevy fans, but hey, alot of companies have been doing that lately. What ever happened to the ford escort cosworth ford has promised? Why do the wrx sti get a crummy 2.5 in the states while the rest of the world gets potent 2.0? And if gm does advertise it liek it was meant to be a gto, then I agree its just a marketing plot, btu I dont know why you would knock on this car and try to compare it to the old gto if you know that it was never meant to be one.

I would like to add that the panzo road car is not really a massed produced car, so you cant compare a car that ha a production of maybe 50 a year and is delicately detailed to a full scale production car. From the side, the panoz does look like a fd rx7 dont you think, look a the doors, they look very similar. And the car interiors you listed are on cars which are way over 50k, Im talkin build wualities on cars at max of 30k maybe.

I ment to tell you Jag that what I was talking about is the plan for the Gen 4 in the Solstice, yep thats right.

"hand-built Dodge Viper SRT10"? Do they really hand build these? Do they build all Vipers by hand or just the "flag ships"?

even the mustangs had fake vents that can even been seen today on the new one.

I'm pretty sure all Vipers have been hand-built. I'm not sure about the Competition Coupe which is a race car.

check the link which is a press release

"The Dodge Viper SRT10 is hand-built at the Conner Avenue Assembly Plant in Detroit."

http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2006-Dodge-Viper-SRT10-Coupe.htm

What vents are fake on the new Mustang?

I ment to tell you Jag that what I was talking about is the plan for the Gen 4 in the Solstice, yep thats right.

Huh? I'm not quite sure what you mean...

Im talkin build wualities on cars at max of 30k maybe.

How about the new Mustang's interior?

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0504_mustang06_z.jpg

Huh? I'm not quite sure what you mean...



How about the new Mustang's interior?

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0504_mustang06_z.jpg


I go to the Jeep dealer from time to time, and next door is a ford dealer, and they have rows and rows of the new mustang, Ihave been meaning to test drive one, but it seems i'm in my BDU pants and T shirt when I think about it, and to me no dealer would think of me as a true buyer, I know base mustangs are working man class, but I want to dive a fast one. Driving a slow one is like going to drive a GTO and getting in a LeMans or Tempest with a chevy 6.

That picture makes the back seat look like a "show no go" option.

The Solaris has been running around GM's test track with the Chevy Mark 4 SB under the hood, it may be an option.

Do you think you will be able to hear the radio this time in the 06 Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe?

Nice 500 hp 525 foot pounds, this HP is well over the ImportAussiGTOs 400hp.

The Pontiac Solstice won't have a 400 hp LS2 available from the factory. It will be available with either a supercharged or turbocharged (but not both) I-4 for the 2007 model year likely as the GXP model.

Reviews of the new Viper Coupe say it is more refined than any previous Viper. The 2006 Viper's 8.3 liter V-10 is now rated at 510 hp and 535 lb-ft of torque. It uses the SAE's (Society of Automotive Engineers) new hp and torque ratings.

The 2003-2005 Viper SRT10 had 500 hp and 525 lb-ft of torque.

The Pontiac Solstice won't have a 400 hp LS2 available from the factory. It will be available with either a supercharged or turbocharged (but not both) I-4 for the 2007 model year likely as the GXP model.

Reviews of the new Viper Coupe say it is more refined than any previous Viper. The 2006 Viper's 8.3 liter V-10 is now rated at 510 hp and 535 lb-ft of torque. It uses the SAE's (Society of Automotive Engineers) new hp and torque ratings.

The 2003-2005 Viper SRT10 had 500 hp and 525 lb-ft of torque.

Do you think Chevy will up the HP to mongoose the Viper?

I still think that Chevy, opps... Pontiac will get a gen 3 in the car.

How much HP are they talking about with the forced I4? 230hp?

I don't care about the detractors saying "oh, its not a real GTO". I like the car. I like the subtle styling, I like the looks of the interior (haven't sat in one yet) and I like concept of the vehicle. I will hopefully be picking one up this year, in fact.

Do you think Chevy will up the HP to mongoose the Viper?

I still think that Chevy, opps... Pontiac will get a gen 3 in the car.

How much HP are they talking about with the forced I4? 230hp?

I doubt Corvette engineers will give the C6 more power, at least not for a few years.

The latest news about a Solstice GXP is its 2.0 liter turbocharged direct-injected four-cylinder making 260 hp and 260 lb-ft.

I don't care about the detractors saying "oh, its not a real GTO". I like the car. I like the subtle styling, I like the looks of the interior (haven't sat in one yet) and I like concept of the vehicle. I will hopefully be picking one up this year, in fact.

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The more I look the more I like it. It grows on you. I tried to do the same with the new Pontiac Grand Prix GXP and I really hate the way it looks. I'm even considering the possibility of getting a used 2005 GTO with low mileage.

Even if it was a Pontiac GTO, it looks more like a 90's mustang then anything Pontiac. It comes close to a Grand AM but thats it.

How many Pontiac GTOs are Chevy powered?

It's just a sales pitch it's a Grand lie from GM.

Can you just slap a 3M sticker on a car and claim what you want? I guess so GM did.

An American Legend thought up and built by the Aussis and Chevy powered, hello... it's an import....

Did you know that this car is not allowed to run at Norwalk's Pontiac meets every year, why? Because it's powered by a Chevy engine.

Some people can be bought so cheap. It should be known that this car is not accepted by true fans of the hobby, you seem to see the few people who take this lie of a car to a cruz hang out with the ricers. (fellow import buyers?)

It's even hated by the Chevy people :)

So a recap.
It takes 3M stickers to make a GTO, oh and a ugly plastic engine cover.

I don't like it, and it seems most people who know how to gap a spark plug don't like it also.

Good luck with buying the car, you will join the out casts.

I'm not considering buying one for the name. Just want that LS2 engine and Tremec 6 speed for a lot less than a Corvette.

Maybe Pontiac should rename it to Grand Prix. It is a hell of lot better than the current Grand Prix models. The same argument can be made for the '97 - '03 and '04 and up Grand Prixs. Are they really Grand Prixs?. Last time I checked the 3800 engines were originally engineered by Buick.

So what is the big deal. Gee....where I have I heard your argument before. :22yikes:

"Even if it was a Pontiac GTO, it looks more like a 90's mustang then anything Pontiac. It comes close to a Grand AM but thats it."

Amazingly, styling is subjective. I don't care if it is not considered a "traditional" pontiac design or if it is even Pontiac. I don't buy a car because of where it was built, rather I buy a car for the car itself.

"How many Pontiac GTOs are Chevy powered?"

Thankfully I don't care. Pontiac is under the GM family, so if it uses a Chevy engine I am fine with that.

"It's just a sales pitch it's a Grand lie from GM."

Any resurrected cars or brands are just sales devices. If you believe otherwise you are the one being fooled.

"Can you just slap a 3M sticker on a car and claim what you want? I guess so GM did."

Similarly as I don't buy a car for where it is built, I don't buy a car for what it is called. The car could be called a ZPD for all I care and I would still like it.

"An American Legend thought up and built by the Aussis and Chevy powered, hello... it's an import...."

So is the Accord, being build in the US, considered a domestic car now? Or Ford cars being built in Mexico does that make them foreign? I could care less. Besides, it has been years since any cars were purely american, even if the final assembly happened here.

"Did you know that this car is not allowed to run at Norwalk's Pontiac meets every year, why? Because it's powered by a Chevy engine."

Well, thankfully I don't care about that. I am not a Pontiac fan, I am not a GM fan, I am not a Nissan fan, I am not a Toyota fan. I can appreciate cars from all their line ups, regardless of where final assembly or parts come from.

"Some people can be bought so cheap. It should be known that this car is not accepted by true fans of the hobby, you seem to see the few people who take this lie of a car to a cruz hang out with the ricers. (fellow import buyers?)"

True enthusiasts will be able to see a car for what it is, not what name it has plastered on it. People who do the latter are what is commonly known as "fanboys", who happen to come in all shapes and sizes. This car is not a lie of any sorts. It has what is considered a dated design, but I like it. It has a 6 liter 400 HP engine with a 6 speed manual. How is that a lie?

"It's even hated by the Chevy people :)"

Well thank goodness I am not a "chevy person".

"So a recap.
It takes 3M stickers to make a GTO, oh and a ugly plastic engine cover."

No, all it takes is a name by Pontiac to make a GTO. You are fooling yourself and living in the past if you think anything with that name needs to come with styling inspired from the 60s.

"I don't like it, and it seems most people who know how to gap a spark plug don't like it also."

It seems that elitists don't like it. The performance of it speaks for itself, and the styling, like on all vehicles, is subjective. Pontiac chose to call this a GTO. I don't care why they did it, and I don't care that Pontiac was the ones that did it.

"Good luck with buying the car, you will join the out casts."

Oh dear god, not the horrible car elitists! I couldn't live a day if I thought there were people out there who hated my car! NOOOOOOOOO!

To reiterate one last time, I don't buy a car because of the name, the badging, or anything along those lines. I don't buy one because of the country of origin. I buy a car because I like the looks, like the interior, like the performance, and like the price.

So your sold cheap?

Makes me think of some 400lb man trying to reason with check out person how he just bought 13 doz of donuts for himself.

Showing how much you don't care just backs up my point, people with no values of a car will buy this Chevy Power Aussi GTO.

It's a lie, a car is what it's powered by, thats it, thats all, you can't fly a Pontiac flag and buy chevy parts.

People like that are what I like to all "Car Whores" they don't care what it is as long as it fits your needs at the time.

So your sold cheap?

Makes me think of some 400lb man trying to reason with check out person how he just bought 13 doz of donuts for himself.

Showing how much you don't care just backs up my point, people with no values of a car will buy this Chevy Power Aussi GTO.

It's a lie, a car is what it's powered by, thats it, thats all, you can't fly a Pontiac flag and buy chevy parts.

People like that are what I like to all "Car Whores" they don't care what it is as long as it fits your needs at the time.
Well, then call me a proud Car Whore!

I am not a slave to GM's marketing department.

If a car fits my needs, then I'll buy it and like it, regardless of whatever fake brand loyalty GM's advertising has instilled in people over the years.

Well, then call me a proud Car Whore!

I am not a slave to GM's marketing department.

If a car fits my needs, then I'll buy it and like it, regardless of whatever fake brand loyalty GM's advertising has instilled in people over the years.
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This is a car with basically only one other class competitor (mustang) and I want to have a car in that class, and I happen to prefer the styling, interior, and power of this one over the mustang.

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This is a car with basically only one other class competitor (mustang) and I want to have a car in that class, and I happen to prefer the styling, interior, and power of this one over the mustang.

Same here. On the new Mustang, I believe Ford missed the mark on it. It sorts of looks like the supercar era Mustang Mach 1 but I am not impressed. Some materials look cheap.

GM has been out to lunch on modernized resurrections and can't seem to please people like Ramair.

Chrysler on the other hand appears to be taking a better approach. The new Dodge Challenger slated for 2008/2009 seems very impressive. Who could complain....500 hp hemi engine and looks that mimic the original 1970 Challenger. I had a 1970 Dodge Challenger with 440 Magnum back in the old days and seeing the pics of the new one gives me hope. However, Ramair probably wouldn't be satisfied. :dunno:

Chrysler on the other hand appears to be taking a better approach. The new Dodge Challenger slated for 2008/2009 seems very impressive. Who could complain....500 hp hemi engine and looks that mimic the original 1970 Challenger. I had a 1970 Dodge Challenger with 440 Magnum back in the old days and seeing the pics of the new one gives me hope. However, Ramair probably wouldn't be satisfied. :dunno:

I think Dodge makes some of the best cars and trucks on the road, even tho I think the 300 is ugly you can get a hemi and 4wd with traction control in it, WOW, try that with any GM car.

GM gets no points from me buying a import engine for it's Duramax line of trucks. Whats with the "permanent air freshener" thing???

Look at Jeep, you can get a world class 4x4 thats as good or better then a 40G import, with a Hemi no less.

Ford has some nice looks but the HP is low, if Dodge dorps FOUR DOORS from the retro then it's all good.

The Chevy Aussi is a fine car, it's fast and can run the cones, but Deloren is spinning in his grave with the import bastard, it's not American and not anything to do with PMD.


The only think about GM that is cool right now is AM Gen, with the H1 and H3, but the H2 is a fake and the new Alpha is Duramax powered.

"permanent air fresheners"? whats next pink bubbles?

Chrysler on the other hand appears to be taking a better approach. The new Dodge Challenger slated for 2008/2009 seems very impressive. Who could complain....500 hp hemi engine and looks that mimic the original 1970 Challenger. I had a 1970 Dodge Challenger with 440 Magnum back in the old days and seeing the pics of the new one gives me hope. However, Ramair probably wouldn't be satisfied. :dunno:

I think Dodge makes some of the best cars and trucks on the road, even tho I think the 300 is ugly you can get a hemi and 4wd with traction control in it, WOW, try that with any GM car.

GM gets no points from me buying a import engine for it's Duramax line of trucks. Whats with the "permanent air freshener" thing???

Look at Jeep, you can get a world class 4x4 thats as good or better then a 40G import, with a Hemi no less.

Ford has some nice looks but the HP is low, if Dodge dorps FOUR DOORS from the retro then it's all good.

The Chevy Aussi is a fine car, it's fast and can run the cones, but Deloren is spinning in his grave with the import bastard, it's not American and not anything to do with PMD.


The only think about GM that is cool right now is AM Gen, with the H1 and H3, but the H2 is a fake and the new Alpha is Duramax powered.

"permanent air fresheners"? whats next pink bubbles?

I think Dodge makes some of the best cars and trucks on the road, even tho I think the 300 is ugly you can get a hemi and 4wd with traction control in it, WOW, try that with any GM car.



At least we agree on something...lol. :lol2:

BTW - Unlike the 300, the Challenger is supposed to have two doors when it goes into production taking it back to it's pony car roots. Quite obvious Chrysler is targeting the Ford Mustang. Very impressive and hopefully the bean counters don't screw it over.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/13/Autos/funonwheels/dodge_challenger/index.htm

Pics of proposed Challenger:

http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2006/0601_dodge_challenger_concept/

"Even if it was a Pontiac GTO, it looks more like a 90's mustang then anything Pontiac. It comes close to a Grand AM but thats it."

Amazingly, styling is subjective. I don't care if it is not considered a "traditional" pontiac design or if it is even Pontiac. I don't buy a car because of where it was built, rather I buy a car for the car itself.

"How many Pontiac GTOs are Chevy powered?"

Thankfully I don't care. Pontiac is under the GM family, so if it uses a Chevy engine I am fine with that.

"It's just a sales pitch it's a Grand lie from GM."

Any resurrected cars or brands are just sales devices. If you believe otherwise you are the one being fooled.

"Can you just slap a 3M sticker on a car and claim what you want? I guess so GM did."

Similarly as I don't buy a car for where it is built, I don't buy a car for what it is called. The car could be called a ZPD for all I care and I would still like it.

"An American Legend thought up and built by the Aussis and Chevy powered, hello... it's an import...."

So is the Accord, being build in the US, considered a domestic car now? Or Ford cars being built in Mexico does that make them foreign? I could care less. Besides, it has been years since any cars were purely american, even if the final assembly happened here.

"Did you know that this car is not allowed to run at Norwalk's Pontiac meets every year, why? Because it's powered by a Chevy engine."

Well, thankfully I don't care about that. I am not a Pontiac fan, I am not a GM fan, I am not a Nissan fan, I am not a Toyota fan. I can appreciate cars from all their line ups, regardless of where final assembly or parts come from.

"Some people can be bought so cheap. It should be known that this car is not accepted by true fans of the hobby, you seem to see the few people who take this lie of a car to a cruz hang out with the ricers. (fellow import buyers?)"

True enthusiasts will be able to see a car for what it is, not what name it has plastered on it. People who do the latter are what is commonly known as "fanboys", who happen to come in all shapes and sizes. This car is not a lie of any sorts. It has what is considered a dated design, but I like it. It has a 6 liter 400 HP engine with a 6 speed manual. How is that a lie?

"It's even hated by the Chevy people :)"

Well thank goodness I am not a "chevy person".

"So a recap.
It takes 3M stickers to make a GTO, oh and a ugly plastic engine cover."

No, all it takes is a name by Pontiac to make a GTO. You are fooling yourself and living in the past if you think anything with that name needs to come with styling inspired from the 60s.

"I don't like it, and it seems most people who know how to gap a spark plug don't like it also."

It seems that elitists don't like it. The performance of it speaks for itself, and the styling, like on all vehicles, is subjective. Pontiac chose to call this a GTO. I don't care why they did it, and I don't care that Pontiac was the ones that did it.

"Good luck with buying the car, you will join the out casts."

Oh dear god, not the horrible car elitists! I couldn't live a day if I thought there were people out there who hated my car! NOOOOOOOOO!

To reiterate one last time, I don't buy a car because of the name, the badging, or anything along those lines. I don't buy one because of the country of origin. I buy a car because I like the looks, like the interior, like the performance, and like the price.



OK, I agree with chad.

The fact is the 60's and early 70's are over. The fact is car companies are in trouble (compared to their Hay day). They are moving production lines to better suit their financial needs. Most Dodges are made in Mexico, as well as ford, and GM. The last time I checked only the Saturn (a GM subsidary) was above an 80% USA Home grown vehicle.
Something else you need to consider. GM owns many worldwide car companies, including Holden, SAAB, Vauxhall, and Opel.
Just like Ford owns Aston-Martin, Jaguar.

These are different times. You will never see a new "real" GTO (unless you change your opinion when they move a line to the US/Mexico (based on good sales)). You will never see a "real" charger. For that matter you will never see a "real" American car again.

I understand your feelings on the older GTO, I do. I am a Union Electrician, that understands what NAFTA and various other factors have had on the American economy. I also understand that international cars are going to be made and sold, badged however they feel it is going to bring the best money. What we can do is stick with the allies GM, Ford, Chyrsler, and their subsidaries.
Have you looked at the Holden the new GTO is produced from? The chasis and general body are all that is carried over to the Goat. Yes, it uses the LS2, along with the 4L65e tranny (auto)an American engineered drivetrain by GM.

The days of an individual company are over. The days of American Muscle are not, not yet.

Holden cars are just that "Holden". At no time did any Americans think up anything about the Holden car, it was a non american idea that was stickered into an American car.

Shame on you for being part of an American Union and not seeing a problem with this. If you were an American Auto worker you would not like this at all.

This BS about everyody does it is crap, it's American workers looseing out and it effects everybody.

I'm not trying to catch some old 60's flame i'm lifting the hood on a import with a chevy engine in it rapeing the name of Pontiac GTO.

It's a CHEVY POWERED IMPORT WITH GTO STICKERS!

Just because it's fast does not make the car a GTO, and accepting this car as an American legend because GM is falling on it's face is a crime to what Deloren made.

A car is what it is powered by, just like your brain is who you are, not the skin the brain, the cars skin is Aussi and the brain is Chevy.

Do you think a 71 GTO with a Chevy engine in it is still a GTO?

Does the different bends in the body and different dash make it a GTO? Alot of chevy and Pontiac parts can be changed but a Chevy engine in a Pontiac is a trans and engine swap, a chevy trans does not bolt to a Pontiac trans (unless you have a rare unaTH350) the rear is different then a Chevy as BOP rears are better then chevy 10 bolts.

2 different cars but the engine makes the car, the Chevy Aussi GTO is a marketing lie to get you to buy it, the car has a Chevy sole, and I do expect chevy guys to just love the car because it's one of their own.

Because it's fast, becasue everybody else does, because GM says it is, do not hold any weight at all, the car cant even be raced at Pontiac events like Norwalk, they can be entered into import classes on all levels of motor sports.

man thats some nice looking cars

A friend has a 05 GTO.Nice car.Fast car.With the headers and cam,it sounds bitchin' too.:thumbsup:

But it's not a Pontiac and it sure is hell ain't a GTO.Never will be.

People seem to forget that the original got peoples attention just sitting there.:smokin:

The only way a new GTO can get your attention is if it is on fire and is being attended to by SIX Fire Engines.:disappoin

Holden cars are just that "Holden". At no time did any Americans think up anything about the Holden car, it was a non american idea that was stickered into an American car.

Shame on you for being part of an American Union and not seeing a problem with this. If you were an American Auto worker you would not like this at all.

This BS about everyody does it is crap, it's American workers looseing out and it effects everybody.

I'm not trying to catch some old 60's flame i'm lifting the hood on a import with a chevy engine in it rapeing the name of Pontiac GTO.

It's a CHEVY POWERED IMPORT WITH GTO STICKERS!

Just because it's fast does not make the car a GTO, and accepting this car as an American legend because GM is falling on it's face is a crime to what Deloren made.

A car is what it is powered by, just like your brain is who you are, not the skin the brain, the cars skin is Aussi and the brain is Chevy.

Do you think a 71 GTO with a Chevy engine in it is still a GTO?

Does the different bends in the body and different dash make it a GTO? Alot of chevy and Pontiac parts can be changed but a Chevy engine in a Pontiac is a trans and engine swap, a chevy trans does not bolt to a Pontiac trans (unless you have a rare unaTH350) the rear is different then a Chevy as BOP rears are better then chevy 10 bolts.

2 different cars but the engine makes the car, the Chevy Aussi GTO is a marketing lie to get you to buy it, the car has a Chevy sole, and I do expect chevy guys to just love the car because it's one of their own.

Because it's fast, becasue everybody else does, because GM says it is, do not hold any weight at all, the car cant even be raced at Pontiac events like Norwalk, they can be entered into import classes on all levels of motor sports.


Blea, blea, blea, drive one. You have no idea what you are talking about. Who the h*=+ cares where or what, this car will eat anything you throw at it. Look at the numbers, this car will blow any GOAT away prior to 05. Some people just don't get it...:gives:

i think this thread is lingering too comparing apples to oranges. you look at the old gto, it just exudes muscle. and you look at the new gto... well just looking at it, it looks fast... but a different kind of fast. if you have never seen the old gto.... let alone heard of it.... i think you would like the new one. ive gotten the chance to test drive one... and ive driven my friends 69 gto, and they are entirely different. granted i love the old one, just something about the look, and the power, not to mention everyone wants to race when you pull up to the light. but this new one.... man you can underestimate it in a heart beat, and when you do... that car is gone from the light and you wont see anything but tail lights (unless you got a really fast car). personally ild love to own the new one. the old one not so much because that is history... this new one i can beat on all i want cuz its new.

i would go with the 06 GTO for it beeing a 6.0L. not like the otehr guys i would go with the 67' GTO it looks better with the stacked headlights.

my boss owns a 66 and that thing looks awesome. and i think if chevy can make that last camaro look reminicant of the 70 camaro, yet still look modern, then pontiac can think of something.

It's been forever since I've posted but I have to throw in my 2 cents. I've got the first and now the last. There is no comparison. They are two different animals and I LOVE BOTH for what they are. But, let me tell you why I like the new GTO's. You can work on them without requiring double jointed fingers and 3 foot rachet extensions. Remove the skid plate and plastic covers under the hood and I can physically touch any part of the engine, trans, exhaust etc. Tell me any other new car out there that you can do that. The corvette maybe?? Any of you guys wrenched on an F-body? Yikes!!! The new GTO's are well planned, designed and layed out - can't put it any simpler than that. I got the 0% 72 month payment plan and including full coverage insurance I pay $590 per month. Show me another car with 400 HP for that price? Probably can't. My only complaint is the 6 speed shifter. Rubber isolated which equals missed shifts. That is soon to be remedied with a GMM Rip Shifter from down under. Do I like the body styling? It's growing on me. But, that's the best part. It is such a sleeper. It looks like a Pontified Honda but can blow the doors off most anything on the street. It's fun to see the puzzled looks from the import crowd. In conclusion....I'm keeping mine and I'm going to drive the crap out of it......

It's been forever since I've posted but I have to throw in my 2 cents. I've got the first and now the last. There is no comparison. They are two different animals and I LOVE BOTH for what they are. But, let me tell you why I like the new GTO's. You can work on them without requiring double jointed fingers and 3 foot rachet extensions. Remove the skid plate and plastic covers under the hood and I can physically touch any part of the engine, trans, exhaust etc. Tell me any other new car out there that you can do that. The corvette maybe?? Any of you guys wrenched on an F-body? Yikes!!! The new GTO's are well planned, designed and layed out - can't put it any simpler than that. I got the 0% 72 month payment plan and including full coverage insurance I pay $590 per month. Show me another car with 400 HP for that price? Probably can't. My only complaint is the 6 speed shifter. Rubber isolated which equals missed shifts. That is soon to be remedied with a GMM Rip Shifter from down under. Do I like the body styling? It's growing on me. But, that's the best part. It is such a sleeper. It looks like a Pontified Honda but can blow the doors off most anything on the street. It's fun to see the puzzled looks from the import crowd. In conclusion....I'm keeping mine and I'm going to drive the crap out of it......

Amen, somebody with a real opinion. Thanks