WRX vs. Evo VII
w8n4myevo
06-04-2002, 01:12 AM
I just wanted a new tread so those who want to discuss this topic. Although there is no positive identification of the winner, we all like to guess an put in our 2 cents.
Shapingo
06-04-2002, 04:08 PM
Evo would poop all over a wrx, now an wrx sti is a different story. It all depends on what sti and evo you compare. my favorite sti is sti6 type RA it actually is faster than an evo VI but has a top speed of only 114mph! The evo series is more harsh as compared to the sti (closer to the rally cars) but the 22b is a real rally car, only the evo rs's are as close to the 22b. If you do a general comparo I'd say evo 1-3 are not as good as the sti 1-3, but evo 4-6.5 wins hands down. the evo VII and new sti is still too close to tell.
lancerz
06-05-2002, 06:15 AM
The EVO VII simply does rule over the WRX/WRX STi.
Many magazine prefer the EVO, many Owners Prefer the EVO, everyone prefers the EVO.
Many magazine prefer the EVO, many Owners Prefer the EVO, everyone prefers the EVO.
BANGA
06-06-2002, 08:26 PM
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I'd have to agree, The Evolution Series seems to be the go...I don't know abouth the Sti's Ive seen a lot of EVO 1 - 3 smoke them even with mild mods...? Nothing gets off the line like a Mitsi
I'd have to agree, The Evolution Series seems to be the go...I don't know abouth the Sti's Ive seen a lot of EVO 1 - 3 smoke them even with mild mods...? Nothing gets off the line like a Mitsi
TRD300EX14
06-30-2002, 10:30 PM
To let you know, the Evo VII cannot compete with the WRX, it competes with the STi. WRX and WRX STi are two different cars. And for a fact, the STi outperforms an Evo VII. In both handling and performance. I would prefer having the Evo over the STi because it has better looks all around, but under the hood and throughout, the STi is slightly better than the EVO.
<(Turbod-evo)>
07-01-2002, 01:51 AM
??? the evo 7 has more hp, torque, and a better better quarter mile time than the sti.. the sti does not peroform better than the evo 7
TRD300EX14
07-01-2002, 06:55 PM
Well on the Speed Channel this guy took out the Evo VII and an STi. He did such and such with both but in the end he said that the STi felt more comfortable than the Evo and that it had more traction and performance. Now in my mind, I would think the Evo would do better. In the August 2002 edition of MotorTrend, the 0-60 time for the Evo VII is 4.7 seconds. That is damn fast. I can't find the STi 0-60 but it must be close because the WRX can do 5.4 seconds and the STi has about 40 more horsepower than the WRX. But in the end, it's all based on the compression ratio of each car and the gearing. I want to get the Evo when it comes here to the US, no doubt about it.
illracer
07-02-2002, 05:25 PM
The Impreza WRX and the Lancer Evolution VII aren't on the same playing field and were not intended to compete against each other. The WRX STi model is more of a comparable solution to the EVO. SCC even did a test a month or two ago of the EVO versus their base-model WRX project car which had a Vishnu Stage Zero turbo upgrade (unichip+uppipe) and a turbo back exhaust. Not only did the WRX put down a better 0-60 and comparable quarter mile times with less than $2000 worth of upgrades, it was more fun to drive because it the EVO is tuned more as a track car than a rally car and can't slide through turns a well as the WRX (which can be either a good thing or a bad thing depending on your driving style).
Regardless both the STi and the EVO's specs vary depending on what market they are sold to. ie, the Jap spec versions of both these cars are "rated" at an identical 276 hp which is the power cap for Japan. The European spec versions are less powerful 260 and 255 horsepower respectively, so yes a Japan-spec EVO would be faster than a European STi but thats comparing apples and oranges. They're both excellent cars, run basically the same numbers and in stock trim can kick the shit out of a wide assortment of cars.
Regardless both the STi and the EVO's specs vary depending on what market they are sold to. ie, the Jap spec versions of both these cars are "rated" at an identical 276 hp which is the power cap for Japan. The European spec versions are less powerful 260 and 255 horsepower respectively, so yes a Japan-spec EVO would be faster than a European STi but thats comparing apples and oranges. They're both excellent cars, run basically the same numbers and in stock trim can kick the shit out of a wide assortment of cars.
Fliquer
07-02-2002, 06:26 PM
The EVO7 will marginally outperform a WRX STi. I think the STi is a better daily driver though, with its interior.
Ando_Rules
07-02-2002, 07:07 PM
the evo is awsome but i have to stick wit one of my favourite cars da WRX
ArtemisEntreriR34
07-03-2002, 11:21 PM
I remember 2 months ago some girl said the WRX (not the STi mind you) was superior to the Evo VII.... After screaming out how she was an ignorant bitch in my chemistry class, I think she figured out my stance on the issue.
The next best car series to the Skyline IMHO
The next best car series to the Skyline IMHO
SuBaRuRuLeS
07-17-2002, 04:24 PM
I choose WRX STI, even though i also like the Evo VII .
How about you guys ask that in Subaru Forum????? : )
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How about you guys ask that in Subaru Forum????? : )
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JD_Spoon
07-21-2002, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by illracer
SCC even did a test a month or two ago of the EVO versus their base-model WRX project car which had a Vishnu Stage Zero turbo upgrade (unichip+uppipe) and a turbo back exhaust. Not only did the WRX put down a better 0-60 and comparable quarter mile times with less than $2000 worth of upgrades, it was more fun to drive because it the EVO is tuned more as a track car than a rally car and can't slide through turns a well as the WRX (which can be either a good thing or a bad thing depending on your driving style).
Man, you can make a powerful arguement when you take stuff out of context and leave out the rest. Are you in marketing? It's true that they recorded that their project WRX had a quicker 0-60, but you left out the rest of it, namely that it runs a faster quarter and handles better for what most people want their cars to do, which is on the street or at the track. SCC Magazine, while praising their own Project WRX car, said "In the end, it's the Lancer's uncompromised speed in nearly every situation that wins us over. It won almost every instrumented test and was considerably faster around the road course."
I'm not sure where you get the "can't slide through turns a well as the WRX" from that article. They never said it wasn't capable of sliding, they simply were commenting on the precision of its steering control made them say (about getting sideways) "It just isn't necessary."
It's not exactly fair to say "better 0-60 and comparable quarter mile times" when the difference is the same amount between 'better' and 'comprable'. I'm not arguing that the value of the modded WRX is probably better than the EVO VII, but if you're going to throw numbers around, don't just show the ones that are convenient, cuz you look like a butt when somebody calls you on it.
Lap Times
Project WRX: 59.98 sec.
Lancer EVO VII: 57.44
Dodging Cones:
Project WRX: 69.9 MPH
Lancer EVO VII: 72.6 MPH
60-to-0 Braking
Project WRX: 109 ft.
Lancer EVO VII: 107 ft.
Going Straight (1/4 mile)
Project WRX: 13.5 sec. @ 99.3 MPH (5.1 sec. 0-60)
Lancer EVO VII: 13.4 sec. @ 103 MPH (5.1 sec. 0-60)
The Bottom Line (as SCC sees it)
Project WRX: Second Place
Lancer EVO VII: First Place
</RANT>
John David Spoon
SCC even did a test a month or two ago of the EVO versus their base-model WRX project car which had a Vishnu Stage Zero turbo upgrade (unichip+uppipe) and a turbo back exhaust. Not only did the WRX put down a better 0-60 and comparable quarter mile times with less than $2000 worth of upgrades, it was more fun to drive because it the EVO is tuned more as a track car than a rally car and can't slide through turns a well as the WRX (which can be either a good thing or a bad thing depending on your driving style).
Man, you can make a powerful arguement when you take stuff out of context and leave out the rest. Are you in marketing? It's true that they recorded that their project WRX had a quicker 0-60, but you left out the rest of it, namely that it runs a faster quarter and handles better for what most people want their cars to do, which is on the street or at the track. SCC Magazine, while praising their own Project WRX car, said "In the end, it's the Lancer's uncompromised speed in nearly every situation that wins us over. It won almost every instrumented test and was considerably faster around the road course."
I'm not sure where you get the "can't slide through turns a well as the WRX" from that article. They never said it wasn't capable of sliding, they simply were commenting on the precision of its steering control made them say (about getting sideways) "It just isn't necessary."
It's not exactly fair to say "better 0-60 and comparable quarter mile times" when the difference is the same amount between 'better' and 'comprable'. I'm not arguing that the value of the modded WRX is probably better than the EVO VII, but if you're going to throw numbers around, don't just show the ones that are convenient, cuz you look like a butt when somebody calls you on it.
Lap Times
Project WRX: 59.98 sec.
Lancer EVO VII: 57.44
Dodging Cones:
Project WRX: 69.9 MPH
Lancer EVO VII: 72.6 MPH
60-to-0 Braking
Project WRX: 109 ft.
Lancer EVO VII: 107 ft.
Going Straight (1/4 mile)
Project WRX: 13.5 sec. @ 99.3 MPH (5.1 sec. 0-60)
Lancer EVO VII: 13.4 sec. @ 103 MPH (5.1 sec. 0-60)
The Bottom Line (as SCC sees it)
Project WRX: Second Place
Lancer EVO VII: First Place
</RANT>
John David Spoon
illracer
07-23-2002, 11:09 AM
What are you on crack?!
Originally posted by JD_Spoon
It's true that they recorded that their project WRX had a quicker 0-60, but you left out the rest of it, namely that it runs a faster quarter and handles better for what most people want their cars to do, which is on the street or at the track.
Going Straight (1/4 mile)
Project WRX: 13.5 sec. @ 99.3 MPH (5.1 sec. 0-60)
Lancer EVO VII: 13.4 sec. @ 103 MPH (5.1 sec. 0-60)
Originally posted by illracer
Not only did the WRX put down a better 0-60 and comparable quarter mile times with less than $2000 worth of upgrades,
13.4 vs 13.5 are COMPARABLE TIMES ya moron. I didn't leave out anything.. the point is with only an uppipe, unichip, and pulleys and stickier tires (falken azenis) which is not a huge deal of mods on an otherwise STOCK WRX it was able to compete with a car that was in an entirely different class than the regular (non-STi) WRX is in. In my book that would make the WRX the winner of that test even with a 20 hp defecit and stock suspension. "...we're calling this test a wash. It comes down to which car you like better. The EVO is ultimately quicker but the WRX is a hell of a lot more fun."
If you get all your knowledge of cars from magazines then we're gonna have a problem here.:finger4:
Originally posted by JD_Spoon
It's true that they recorded that their project WRX had a quicker 0-60, but you left out the rest of it, namely that it runs a faster quarter and handles better for what most people want their cars to do, which is on the street or at the track.
Going Straight (1/4 mile)
Project WRX: 13.5 sec. @ 99.3 MPH (5.1 sec. 0-60)
Lancer EVO VII: 13.4 sec. @ 103 MPH (5.1 sec. 0-60)
Originally posted by illracer
Not only did the WRX put down a better 0-60 and comparable quarter mile times with less than $2000 worth of upgrades,
13.4 vs 13.5 are COMPARABLE TIMES ya moron. I didn't leave out anything.. the point is with only an uppipe, unichip, and pulleys and stickier tires (falken azenis) which is not a huge deal of mods on an otherwise STOCK WRX it was able to compete with a car that was in an entirely different class than the regular (non-STi) WRX is in. In my book that would make the WRX the winner of that test even with a 20 hp defecit and stock suspension. "...we're calling this test a wash. It comes down to which car you like better. The EVO is ultimately quicker but the WRX is a hell of a lot more fun."
If you get all your knowledge of cars from magazines then we're gonna have a problem here.:finger4:
Jimbo_Jones
07-26-2002, 10:50 AM
even tho i dont like them, the lancer would own a WRX
planetrally
07-27-2002, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by illracer
The Impreza WRX and the Lancer Evolution VII aren't on the same playing field and were not intended to compete against each other. The WRX STi model is more of a comparable solution to the EVO. SCC even did a test a month or two ago of the EVO versus their base-model WRX project car which had a Vishnu Stage Zero turbo upgrade (unichip+uppipe) and a turbo back exhaust. Not only did the WRX put down a better 0-60 and comparable quarter mile times with less than $2000 worth of upgrades, it was more fun to drive because it the EVO is tuned more as a track car than a rally car and can't slide through turns a well as the WRX (which can be either a good thing or a bad thing depending on your driving style).
Regardless both the STi and the EVO's specs vary depending on what market they are sold to. ie, the Jap spec versions of both these cars are "rated" at an identical 276 hp which is the power cap for Japan. The European spec versions are less powerful 260 and 255 horsepower respectively, so yes a Japan-spec EVO would be faster than a European STi but thats comparing apples and oranges. They're both excellent cars, run basically the same numbers and in stock trim can kick the shit out of a wide assortment of cars.
The Euro Evo VII is a full 276ps. The Euro Evo wipes the road with the current Euro and Jap spec STis excluding the STi 202.
What really separates the euro STi vs. the euro Evo is that the Evo has much better low rpm power and responsiveness. The UK Evos are SVA (grey imports really) while the Euro STi is a fully approved model.
A stock Evo with an uprated clutch should be in the high 4s 0 – 60mph. Look at the trap speeds 103 Evo, 99.3 WRX. A stock Evo clutch is good for 6 hard launches that’s it. An AP organic is one of the first mods most people will do. They complained right in the article about the smoking clutch.
All that said I love the WRX and came close to buying one.
planetrally
The Impreza WRX and the Lancer Evolution VII aren't on the same playing field and were not intended to compete against each other. The WRX STi model is more of a comparable solution to the EVO. SCC even did a test a month or two ago of the EVO versus their base-model WRX project car which had a Vishnu Stage Zero turbo upgrade (unichip+uppipe) and a turbo back exhaust. Not only did the WRX put down a better 0-60 and comparable quarter mile times with less than $2000 worth of upgrades, it was more fun to drive because it the EVO is tuned more as a track car than a rally car and can't slide through turns a well as the WRX (which can be either a good thing or a bad thing depending on your driving style).
Regardless both the STi and the EVO's specs vary depending on what market they are sold to. ie, the Jap spec versions of both these cars are "rated" at an identical 276 hp which is the power cap for Japan. The European spec versions are less powerful 260 and 255 horsepower respectively, so yes a Japan-spec EVO would be faster than a European STi but thats comparing apples and oranges. They're both excellent cars, run basically the same numbers and in stock trim can kick the shit out of a wide assortment of cars.
The Euro Evo VII is a full 276ps. The Euro Evo wipes the road with the current Euro and Jap spec STis excluding the STi 202.
What really separates the euro STi vs. the euro Evo is that the Evo has much better low rpm power and responsiveness. The UK Evos are SVA (grey imports really) while the Euro STi is a fully approved model.
A stock Evo with an uprated clutch should be in the high 4s 0 – 60mph. Look at the trap speeds 103 Evo, 99.3 WRX. A stock Evo clutch is good for 6 hard launches that’s it. An AP organic is one of the first mods most people will do. They complained right in the article about the smoking clutch.
All that said I love the WRX and came close to buying one.
planetrally
Pennzoil GT-R
08-07-2002, 11:42 AM
Lower EVO's will beat lower Scoobies, and higher Scoobies will beat higher EVO's. A normal EVO VII will beat an Sti, but at the other extreme a 22B will destroy a TME. And for all you Americans im not just talking about 1/4 mile times:D
Fliquer
08-07-2002, 12:36 PM
And for all you Americans im not just talking about 1/4 mile times
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planetrally
08-07-2002, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Pennzoil GT-R
Lower EVO's will beat lower Scoobies, and higher Scoobies will beat higher EVO's. A normal EVO VII will beat an Sti, but at the other extreme a 22B will destroy a TME. And for all you Americans im not just talking about 1/4 mile times:D
Ah..No.
planerally
Lower EVO's will beat lower Scoobies, and higher Scoobies will beat higher EVO's. A normal EVO VII will beat an Sti, but at the other extreme a 22B will destroy a TME. And for all you Americans im not just talking about 1/4 mile times:D
Ah..No.
planerally
Pennzoil GT-R
08-08-2002, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by planetrally
Ah..No.
Ah..Yes. Have you ever seen either a 22B or a TME? Have you ever seen them go head to head as i have? If you have then please state you're experiences when you disagree with me.
Ah..No.
Ah..Yes. Have you ever seen either a 22B or a TME? Have you ever seen them go head to head as i have? If you have then please state you're experiences when you disagree with me.
planetrally
08-08-2002, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by Pennzoil GT-R
Ah..Yes. Have you ever seen either a 22B or a TME? Have you ever seen them go head to head as i have? If you have then please state you're experiences when you disagree with me.
yes I have TME, TME RS, RS Sprint, 22b and sti type Rs
I would not say a 22B would kill any of them.
planetrally
Ah..Yes. Have you ever seen either a 22B or a TME? Have you ever seen them go head to head as i have? If you have then please state you're experiences when you disagree with me.
yes I have TME, TME RS, RS Sprint, 22b and sti type Rs
I would not say a 22B would kill any of them.
planetrally
Pennzoil GT-R
08-08-2002, 08:02 AM
ok, i cant argue with that if you have seen them. its just our differing opinions then, you have seen fast Evo's beat 22B's, whereas i have seen 22B's beat fast Evo's.
jinroh
07-03-2003, 12:29 PM
In SCC the STI won in almost every cat. The EVO was picked over all due to it's handling. It's tuned for the track while the STI is tuned for a rally. Fewer turn locks and more responsive handling at higher speeds with greater feedback from the car make for a hard sell, but I still would go STI handsdown. Better built machine. My main concern, and any 2002 WRX owner will tell ya this, is drivetrain in an all wheel monster. And the EVO's is soft compared to the STI. Hey, a TEIN suspention kit and this STI would win that same contest NP (tiny bit of sarcasm TEIN would be $$$ overkill). If you want to have fun with your car, STI. If you want to tear around town (aka caught in traffic going 45 no matter what) or go to the local track once a week, EVO. IMGO. They are both awesome cars thoughs and it's about time the US got a better version than the one sold in Japan! Thanx SUBIE!!!
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