1988 Firebird Trans Am GTA vs. 2000 Camaro Z28 LS1
ChubbZ
11-29-2005, 10:36 AM
I was planning on buying the Firebird until one someone told me that the Camaro would be better.
More to the point I was told the Camaro would be faster but I wanted to make sure whether or not it was true.
Camaro:
http://www.canadatrader.com/result/...59&pgno=1&srt=1
Firebird:
http://www.canadatrader.com/result/...07&pgno=1&srt=1
More to the point I was told the Camaro would be faster but I wanted to make sure whether or not it was true.
Camaro:
http://www.canadatrader.com/result/...59&pgno=1&srt=1
Firebird:
http://www.canadatrader.com/result/...07&pgno=1&srt=1
sganc4life_4
11-29-2005, 01:16 PM
links dont work
GForce957
11-29-2005, 01:25 PM
Well the links dont work, but the reason people are telling you the camaro is faster is because that is the newer model with the 5.7L LS1. your trans am is from 88, when they used the 5.0 305 engine.
A ws6 is faster than a camaro ss i've heard
A ws6 is faster than a camaro ss i've heard
ChubbZ
11-29-2005, 01:32 PM
CassiesMan
11-29-2005, 03:35 PM
Get the one with the 6.6L in it...those look the muts nuts.
CassiesMan
11-29-2005, 03:37 PM
Oh, and wrong section. Try in car comparo.
Mr. Luos
11-29-2005, 04:20 PM
A ws6 is faster than a camaro ss i've heard
Not really.
All in the driver.
Not really.
All in the driver.
DeViL
11-29-2005, 06:38 PM
I can't believe he changed the wheels on the GTA. Blasphemy.
The GTA can be a nicer car but the Camaro is going to be a lot faster. You're talking about 230hp vs 310 hp. Note I say the GTA "CAN" be a nicer car, but most 80's F-Bodies that are previously owned turn out to be complete junk. This Firebird looks decent in the pictures but I'd have to get a good close up inspection before considering it. If there is one thing the Firebird has going for it over the Camaro in my opinion is the looks both inside and out. The Camaro just looks so generic and pointy like an arrow head, and the interior is pretty boring and cheap looking.
The GTA can be a nicer car but the Camaro is going to be a lot faster. You're talking about 230hp vs 310 hp. Note I say the GTA "CAN" be a nicer car, but most 80's F-Bodies that are previously owned turn out to be complete junk. This Firebird looks decent in the pictures but I'd have to get a good close up inspection before considering it. If there is one thing the Firebird has going for it over the Camaro in my opinion is the looks both inside and out. The Camaro just looks so generic and pointy like an arrow head, and the interior is pretty boring and cheap looking.
-The Stig-
11-29-2005, 06:42 PM
:lol:
Comparing an '88 T/A to a '00 Z28 is like... wow... no words.
Comparing an '88 T/A to a '00 Z28 is like... wow... no words.
GForce957
11-29-2005, 06:55 PM
Not really.
All in the driver.
Alot of the comparos i've read between them say that for some reason the ws6 was a little faster.
All in the driver.
Alot of the comparos i've read between them say that for some reason the ws6 was a little faster.
Mr. Luos
11-29-2005, 07:35 PM
For some reason the Trans Am tends to have a touch more bite. Not sure why...something with weight transfer of the body I would assume.
I still stick by my statement....ANY LS1 F-Body can beat another one any day. Kinda like Any Given Sunday....but without Pacino.
And football.
With F-Body's.
I still stick by my statement....ANY LS1 F-Body can beat another one any day. Kinda like Any Given Sunday....but without Pacino.
And football.
With F-Body's.
GForce957
11-29-2005, 08:16 PM
^ oh i know that, i was just saying that because people had told him a camaro was faster
2000LS1Z28
11-29-2005, 09:38 PM
A ws6 is faster than a camaro ss i've heard
Oh it's true, it's true (Kurt Angle voice).
The WS6 has a functional ram air hood. Look at the design of it versus the Camaro SS's and you'll see what I mean. WS6's trap about 1.5 mph higher on the average. Pretty close race though all around.
Luos, you've been inhaling too much carburetor cleaner if you think that they run identical times.
~can I have a snuff?~
Oh it's true, it's true (Kurt Angle voice).
The WS6 has a functional ram air hood. Look at the design of it versus the Camaro SS's and you'll see what I mean. WS6's trap about 1.5 mph higher on the average. Pretty close race though all around.
Luos, you've been inhaling too much carburetor cleaner if you think that they run identical times.
~can I have a snuff?~
Mr. Luos
11-29-2005, 09:42 PM
Luos, you've been inhaling too much carburetor cleaner if you think that they run identical times.
~can I have a snuff?~
I never said identical....but the drivers make the race.
~can I have a snuff?~
I never said identical....but the drivers make the race.
ChubbZ
11-30-2005, 12:51 PM
I'll probably get the 88' Firebird, are there any sites that sell aftermarket parts for the car?
GForce957
11-30-2005, 04:08 PM
yes
xXxRocker5150
11-30-2005, 08:35 PM
lol yea dude there are plenty, but the best of all is www.google.com
Igovert500
12-01-2005, 10:07 AM
yes...about 5 million. Check out the f-body forum for specifics. Also, if you get ambitious, you could swap in a built 350 and fit in alot better with ls1s.
doodad
12-01-2005, 01:13 PM
why 88 firebird man???
camaro is newer. if u are gonna use it for racing or something. go lookfor newer 4th gen ws6s. l guess you have private reasion on this. l am a frirebird owner and l recomend u to get camaro. it is newerand better. also faster than that 88 trans am.
camaro is newer. if u are gonna use it for racing or something. go lookfor newer 4th gen ws6s. l guess you have private reasion on this. l am a frirebird owner and l recomend u to get camaro. it is newerand better. also faster than that 88 trans am.
doodad
12-01-2005, 01:24 PM
why 88 firebird man???
camaro is newer. if u are gonna use it for racing or something. go lookfor newer 4th gen ws6s. l guess you have private reasion on this. l am a frirebird owner and l recomend u to get camaro. it is newerand better. also faster than that 88 trans am.
camaro is newer. if u are gonna use it for racing or something. go lookfor newer 4th gen ws6s. l guess you have private reasion on this. l am a frirebird owner and l recomend u to get camaro. it is newerand better. also faster than that 88 trans am.
Darrensls1
12-01-2005, 02:40 PM
Let me clarify a few misconceptions here.
WS6 is NOT faster then a Z28. I know you may have heard it from a neighbor or read it on a forum once, but it's not true (no kurt angle voice).
Why? Because all the LS1 models use the same engine, chassis and transmissions. I know about the ram air but here are the facts about the WS6 and SS models ram air:
They don't work.
The SS hood design was a joke. It would bring air into the scoop at the back of the hood, then funnel it to the front of the hood and then finally into the front of the airbox. By the time it makes all those turns and angles it lost all it's momentum.
The WS6 hood works a little better. At least the air is fed directly to the airbox. But it has one major flaw. The hood leaves a solid 1-2" gap between the hood and airbox. This allows the air to mix with hot engine bay air as well as lose it's momentum since some of the air escapes into the engine bay. Try poking a few holes into the top of a straw and using it in a drink. Same basic principal. There is a $300 kit that closes that gap however. BG ram air kit I think it's called.
Other then that the SS and WS6 came with an upgraded suspension (nice but aftermarket is better), 17" rims (nice to have but again aftermarket covers this) and better flowing muffler (aftermarket definately takes care of this).
So in reality the SS and WS6 are only given a slight advantage from the better flowing exhaust. This unfortunately is countered by the extra weight they carry. So at the end of the day the fastest ls1 F-bodies are just as likely to be a stripped Z28 or Formula (they weigh the least) as it is a SS or WS6.
Can't argue the looks though. The WS6 is a bad ass looking car :iceslolan
As far as the original topic, I have to strongly recommend the Z28. It'll be a night and day difference as far as speed, handling, ect. The LS1 is a great motor to mod as well. The bolt-on only record is something like 11.5 @ 118. Basic bolt-ons can get you solid mid 12's which is still very fast for a street driven daily driver.
I think if you test drive both, you'll see what I mean.
Good luck
WS6 is NOT faster then a Z28. I know you may have heard it from a neighbor or read it on a forum once, but it's not true (no kurt angle voice).
Why? Because all the LS1 models use the same engine, chassis and transmissions. I know about the ram air but here are the facts about the WS6 and SS models ram air:
They don't work.
The SS hood design was a joke. It would bring air into the scoop at the back of the hood, then funnel it to the front of the hood and then finally into the front of the airbox. By the time it makes all those turns and angles it lost all it's momentum.
The WS6 hood works a little better. At least the air is fed directly to the airbox. But it has one major flaw. The hood leaves a solid 1-2" gap between the hood and airbox. This allows the air to mix with hot engine bay air as well as lose it's momentum since some of the air escapes into the engine bay. Try poking a few holes into the top of a straw and using it in a drink. Same basic principal. There is a $300 kit that closes that gap however. BG ram air kit I think it's called.
Other then that the SS and WS6 came with an upgraded suspension (nice but aftermarket is better), 17" rims (nice to have but again aftermarket covers this) and better flowing muffler (aftermarket definately takes care of this).
So in reality the SS and WS6 are only given a slight advantage from the better flowing exhaust. This unfortunately is countered by the extra weight they carry. So at the end of the day the fastest ls1 F-bodies are just as likely to be a stripped Z28 or Formula (they weigh the least) as it is a SS or WS6.
Can't argue the looks though. The WS6 is a bad ass looking car :iceslolan
As far as the original topic, I have to strongly recommend the Z28. It'll be a night and day difference as far as speed, handling, ect. The LS1 is a great motor to mod as well. The bolt-on only record is something like 11.5 @ 118. Basic bolt-ons can get you solid mid 12's which is still very fast for a street driven daily driver.
I think if you test drive both, you'll see what I mean.
Good luck
DeViL
12-01-2005, 06:42 PM
It doesn't really matter which one is faster as we're not comparing a 4th Gen Firebird with a Camaro. This is an 3rd Gen Firebird and a 4th Gen Camaro so screw the newer WS6.
I'm curious as well, why did you pick the 88 GTA over the Z28? Honestly I'd be worried the thing isn't rusting and could even start. Like I said most people beat the hell out of those cars and those pictures could easily hide some of that.
I'm curious as well, why did you pick the 88 GTA over the Z28? Honestly I'd be worried the thing isn't rusting and could even start. Like I said most people beat the hell out of those cars and those pictures could easily hide some of that.
2000LS1Z28
12-02-2005, 12:41 AM
I never said identical....but the drivers make the race.
I stand to be corrected.
I stand to be corrected.
doodad
12-02-2005, 12:42 AM
l cant believe that you just said that ws6 is not faster than z28s. l got 7 formula LT1 engine same as z28. man why their 0-60 miles are 5.1 and lt1's 5.7? also, why their quarter mile speed and ET times are better?
just explain me this pls. l am talking about LS1s and LT1s and LS1s are faster than LT1s. not much much faster but faster.
prove me wrong and l will clap.
thank you.
just explain me this pls. l am talking about LS1s and LT1s and LS1s are faster than LT1s. not much much faster but faster.
prove me wrong and l will clap.
thank you.
Mr. Luos
12-02-2005, 05:27 PM
prove me wrong and l will clap.
Start clapping. :lol:
Yes, the LT1 car is slower than the LS1 car. But that isn't what we are talking about.
But you can get a Z28 with the LS1 as well as the WS.6.
Z28 is lighter but has a slightly more restrictive exhuast. They would run VERY similar times.
The WS.6 is no faster than any other LS1 powered F-Body. If it is....it isn't much at all. I mean maybe .5MPH faster through the traps.
Start clapping. :lol:
Yes, the LT1 car is slower than the LS1 car. But that isn't what we are talking about.
But you can get a Z28 with the LS1 as well as the WS.6.
Z28 is lighter but has a slightly more restrictive exhuast. They would run VERY similar times.
The WS.6 is no faster than any other LS1 powered F-Body. If it is....it isn't much at all. I mean maybe .5MPH faster through the traps.
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