13b engine mass

What is the mass in pounds of the 13b engine without the tranny but with all electronics and single turbo and all the plumbing associated but not fluids?

there was a thread on this but there was never an answer given.

also are there any cases of someone mounting a 13b transversly to a transaxle. I know people do it longitudinaly to certain porche transaxles but have been unable to find any cases transversly.

Not sure about mounting to a transaxle.

But the weight of just the block is about 150lbs.
The plumbing is about another 100-150lbs total with all electronics.

So all in all you are looking at about 250-300lbs.

oh wow thats more than i expected especially for the plumbing and electronics. a toyota 1zzfe is only 225 lbs and i thought the rotary, having WAY fewer parts would be less.

i cant believe no one has any knowledge of anyone putting a 13b in a front wheel drive car.

It all depends on what you have and the size of it all. Seriously. It's one Helluva light motor.

The transaxle though, I don't know why anyone would want to do that.... Honestly.....

someone would want to do that because the 13b is a light and can be extremely powerful motor. Why wouldnt someone want one transversely on a transaxle. i would rather pull 400hp from a rotary than any 4 cyl. people put them longitudinaly in porches so why is it such a huge jump to a transverse setup in another car, say a fiero or mr2?

Personally, I think it's a little on the odd side. Because with the lack of weight to it. it helps keep weight ratios really really balanced. Transaxles just aren't my thing though, so my opinions a little on the biased side.

You are looking at putting a 13b in a Fiero or MR2?

Why?

Not to be a post whore but.

People put Rotaries in Porches? Never seen it or heard of it done....

I don't see why anyone would want to do it either? as the Flat 4's and 6's of porche are a nice powerplant.

i saw a rotary in a 911. im thinking of putting one in my mr2 spyder as a huge project. i am not even really thinking about it seriously yet, untill i can see if you can attach a 13b to the tranny that is already in there with some sort of adapter/spacer. the spyder is a great car but ask anyone and they will tell you that it is underpowered. I cant imagine that the 13b is any bigger than the 1zzfe so i wouldnt see any fitment issues other than fabbing up some motor mounts. I know the wiring would be a nightmare but i think it could be done with some of these fancy pants electronics we have noweadays.

Im kinda just testing the water to see if it is worth my time to get a celica 6spd tranny (direct swap for spyder and will go in eventually no matter what) and a busted up 13b and see if they can fit together this winter.

http://web2.airmail.net/atl/Rotary.html

914 and 911

That is just..... odd... really really really, odd. Never thought I'd see something like that.

oh wow thats more than i expected especially for the plumbing and electronics. a toyota 1zzfe is only 225 lbs and i thought the rotary, having WAY fewer parts would be less.

i cant believe no one has any knowledge of anyone putting a 13b in a front wheel drive car.

keep in mind that the accessoriees (ie turbo and associated plumbing) are going to make the engine heavier. not to mention half the engine is cast iron while the 1zzfe is all aluminum (crazy light weight)

short block is like 180 lbs and with accessories (turbo, intercooler, power steering) is like 240.

nobody would put a rotary in a fwd car because all of the common variants are FR and its too much work to have it fit.
why not get the 1zz and get some forged internals and a turbo

the fwd car will be traction limited well before yuo get the engine to 400

well the 1zz is an open deck motor and is an economy motor and cannot be made to make a lot of power reliably. not to mention that i would like to do something somewhat original and have always been facinated with the whole "no pistons" thing.

i have heard of far crazier things than putting a 1.3 liter (or 2.6 whatever you want to classify it as) in place of a 4 cyl.

not in a transverse mounted position

what about V8 ford focus' or V8 fieros?

WOW thread drift!

Anyhow i am basically just trying to figure out if a 13b CAN bolt to a transaxle with some sort of adapter plate/spacer. is there anything in particular that would prohibit that mating.

what about V8 ford focus' or V8 fieros?

WOW thread drift!

Anyhow i am basically just trying to figure out if a 13b CAN bolt to a transaxle with some sort of adapter plate/spacer. is there anything in particular that would prohibit that mating.


the V8 ford focus is rear wheel drive. as a matter of fact they have space for a rear differential (i guess since they based all of the focus chassis on the rally car or something).
the fiero's engine bay is pretty large for a midship engine, i dont see how a v8 couldnt fit

i say it may not work well in transverse mount because of the location of the waterpump and cooling fan (which was designed to flow air over the engine how it sits normally) and the alternator. im sure theres ways around it.
i think a porsche transaxle may work?

have you seen this (http://www.nopistons.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=57968)?