i guess it was only a matter of time...

so it finally happened. last night, i got booked for possession.

i was driving my friend Kris home. we had just finished smoking up and watching a movie at my friend Michelle's house. it was about 1:10am, and we were driving through downtown Brampton (apparently Canada's 10th biggest city). we saw lots of cops that night but didn't really think anything of it. i was driving completely normally, completely legally, when we passed by a cop on the other side of the road, who had pulled someone else over. he had just finished up and as we passed, he turned off his lights, pulled a u-turn and followed us. as we stopped at a light in the right lane, he stopped in the left. just past the intersection there was a car parked in my lane. as the light turned green, the cop let me go in front, at which point i said to Kris "that's not a good sign". sure enough 5 minutes later, literally in front of kris' house, the cherries came on and he pulled us over. i didn't do a thing illegal, i was watching my speed the entire time and was actually going 5 under the limit.

he came to the window and asked the regular questions ie have we had anything to drink etc.

then he said "alright guys, who has the weed? i can smell it, so either you cough it up or i search you guys and find it anyways."

stupidly, i surrendered it. it was only about a dime and a half. he took me out of the car, searched me, and charged me with possession of a controlled substance. i have a court date december 22nd. if i plead guilty, i receive community service hours. Kris also got charged and almost got us both arrested because he told the cop he didn't have any. the cop only found it when he searched Kris and wasn't too happy about him lying. they tore apart my car searching for more, and then finally let us go.

now i was just wondering if anyone here knew anything about Canadian law at all, because i am confused about a few things.

1.) someone told me that you cannot be pulled over without reasonable grounds, and the officer must communicate these reasons to you when he pulls you over. i was never told why i was pulled over, nor did i see any reasonable grounds for it (like i said, i was driving completely normally). would this be worth bringing up in court?

2.) i am being told my multiple people that you cannot be charged for quantities as small as i was carrying, 1.5 grams. is this true?

3.) i am very uncertain about rights and laws when it comes to searching. i guess i kind of fucked myself by showing him the weed before he searched me, which gives him grounds to do the search, but can he really threaten to search me when he has no proof and/or warrant? this doesn't really matter anymore because, like i said, i stupidly surrendered it right away. but i was just curious.

any help would be appreciated guys. this is my first time going to court, my first time with a criminal record, and people have been telling me that if i have a criminal record i can't leave the country...and my family goes on trips fairly often. my family does not even know that i smoke weed, let alone know about the fact that i got charged. if they find out, i am literally as good as dead. i will probably be kicked out of my house. so i am extremely worried about what's going to happen the next time we try and travel.

anyone who could give me any guidance or at least point me somewhere where i could get some, it would be SO appreciated. i absolutely cannot afford a lawyer unless i ask my parents to help pay and that's obviousley not an option so i need all the help i can get.

PS if you're just going to judge me and scold me in your reply, FUCK OFF and don't even bother. i've had enough people today who've told me they were "disappointed" or whatever. i do what i do, i realize the risk, and now i'm paying for it. fuck off if all you want to do is judge me, i don't need it.

You must feel pretty bad right now. It doesn't help you now, but I don't think he would have actually been legally able to search you and your car if you would have denied. They say these things to get you to give yourself up. Needless to say, it works pretty well. Dunno if smelling the drugs while following gives him the right to search your car or not. It might. I know that in the US, if a dog detects drugs it is ok for them to search.

I would really question if you want to continue using. If you get busted again, I am sure that the consequences will be much greater.

well heres in the states what he did was perfectly legal.

Driving under the speed limit gives probable cause. Its suspicious driving. If a police officer smells marijuana in the car or on the passengers he has probable cause to search the car. And a full search.

Thats why i never smoke when im driving with weed on me. Thats just asking for trouble. And when i do have to drive with weed i stick it in the gas door. I mean comeon, have you ever seen a cop opne the gas door to look for drugs?

Alright bro, first up. PLEAD NOT GUILTY. Remember you've got some funky decriminilisation laws in Canada as well. Go find a lawyer, just hit up the yellow pages, there are definately some that can help you.

Give NORML a call as well, if there is a chapter in Canada. They'll help out as well.

As for searching you - surrendering it to him was the best option, otherwise he could come down on you for hiding it as well. The fact that you gave it up straight away will count for you in court. And for pulling you over...well you can smell weed a mile away, maybe the cop just got lucky?

1.5 grams is sweet fuck all though, wtf?

With a criminal record, you should be able to leave the country (though I doubt something like this would be a permanent sting). It's just the US doesn't like letting people in with drug convictions.


www.normlcanada.org

you don't seem to understand the situation i am in.

i cannot plead not guilty, because i cannot afford a lawyer. plain and simple. not even payments. i am already in debt.

i cannot ask my parents for money to pay for a lawyer. they don't even know i smoked weed, let alone that i got charged. if they find out about this, they will tell me i am on my own and might even kick me out of the house. in fact i'm pretty certain they would. my dad tells me every day that if i get caught with beer in the trunk, that i'm on my own to deal with it (even though i'm pretty sure it's legal to have sealed containers in the trunk of your car, where the driver can't access them. he swears it's not). i can see weed being alot worse.

do you see where i stand now?

i am fucked...

PS i was not smoking in nor anywhere near my car. the car i am currently driving is my dad's car, i am in between vehicles at the moment. if i smoked in his car, he would smell it, and i would get in major shit (see above about how i can't ask them for money). i smoked before driving, in fact HOURS before driving, that night. the smell that was on me couldn't have been that strong but i guess it was on my clothes so it was strong enough for him to smell it once he was at the window of the car.

Like I said, talk to NORML.

Just tell your parents. They WILL find out eventually and will be more pissed at you than if you would have told them anyway. This will hang over your head forever and it just ain't worth it.

You don't have to do what I say though. I suck.

well heres in the states what he did was perfectly legal.

Driving under the speed limit gives probable cause. Its suspicious driving. If a police officer smells marijuana in the car or on the passengers he has probable cause to search the car. And a full search.


This is true if the officer uses it in court. But, if he says you were pulled over for something else, with no proof/paperwork you might have a chance to fight it. I'd see the best bet as finding out if your 1.5g even counts. If it doesn't, and the only thing the officer can call you on is the smell, just say that one of your friends was smoking... the smell just lingered on your clothing as well from your proximity.

Did you get cited for just posession, or was it a DUI as well?

Sounds like you'll need to fess up to your folks before the court date hits. Arraignments are often published in the papers so word will get out. I don't know about Canada, but if you plead not guilty in the states and the case is headed for a trial, a lawyer will get appointed.

When you break the law, you’re taking your chances and this time you guys happened to be caught. If the charge is a misdemeanor, just take the fine and the community service.

Canadian law is likely different than US. But you did surrender it to him voluntarily, and the most you'll get is community service if you plead guilty. I'd find out if the community service/etc will be on your record in that case.

Just to analyze a bit, what happens if you plead not guilty? The cop will have his evidence, maybe even video, that you got pulled over and surrendered marijane from your own pocket to him. How can you beat that?

several of my buddies got busted for posession. best thing is to just take it up the ass and do some community service. talk to a lawyer, there may be ways to even erase this from your record entirely. (im from New York, though, don't know a thing about canadian law.)

Just take the fine. Being from Canada I'd say that our justice system is pretty well fucked. Just take the simple way out and do your c-service. Most likely you'll just be shoveling snow or working for a charity organization making turkey-baskets for christmas.

"1.) someone told me that you cannot be pulled over without reasonable grounds, and the officer must communicate these reasons to you when he pulls you over. i was never told why i was pulled over, nor did i see any reasonable grounds for it (like i said, i was driving completely normally). would this be worth bringing up in court?"

No, it's not worth bringing up in court. Cops can pull you for whatever reason they choose. Theyll make something up if they have to.

"2.) i am being told my multiple people that you cannot be charged for quantities as small as i was carrying, 1.5 grams. is this true?"

In canada, you can be charged for ANY amount because it is still a controlled substance. But remember that it is not a criminal charge, not for that amount. So youll get a ticket, but not jail time. If you were in the states, theyd book you until your court date.

"3.) i am very uncertain about rights and laws when it comes to searching. i guess i kind of fucked myself by showing him the weed before he searched me, which gives him grounds to do the search, but can he really threaten to search me when he has no proof and/or warrant? this doesn't really matter anymore because, like i said, i stupidly surrendered it right away. but i was just curious."

The easiest thing for you to have done is let them search your car. otherwise he would have had it towed, impounded, then searched and that would have been more trouble than it was worth. you did the right thing.

and relax dude, dont sweat it. plead guilty, because itll be hard for you to get out of you turning over the pot to the cop. if its your first offense, tell them youve learned your lesson, pay the find or offer community service, and get on with your life. if youre over 18, you can try hiding it from your parents, its unlikely theyll find out unless you let it slip. if youre under 18, just tell them. unless theyre bible thumpers, youd be surprised at how lax they are about pot. chances are they have smoked it at some point in their lives, both my folks have.

good luck bro

i sent an e-mail to NORML outlining my situation.

one of the members responded saying it sounded like an illegal search, and has forwarded my e-mail on to a toronto-based marijuana issues lawyer.

one of the executive-directors of NORML has also forwarded my e-mail onto their legal experts and said he would get back to me in a day or two with results.

i'll keep you guys updated.

:thumbsup: told ya they'd help ;)

The thing that gets me is you only had a dime and a half and he claimed to have smelt weed. The only way he could have smelt weed was if you had been smoking in your car. He just set yall up I think.

On two occasions my truck reaked of weed, and that was once when I had a half .oz of hydro and another time with an 1/8th. Both times I had to leave my windows down for an entire day to rid it of the smell, although I think it smells great. :p

Been pulled over with two of my friends. My friend got arrested, but the cop let me and our other buddy go. On that occasion though, the Sheriff was actually really really cool and made the whole situation a lot more relaxed and calming.

yea, i've been walking through london (uk) stinking of weed an carrying way over an ounce with me, past cops an got clocked. they left it, i guess they didnt suspect me of dealing the.

i was driving a friend's car once and got pulled over, i was very very stoned, chinese eyes an all. the cop asked if i had a license, to which i said "nah, im too young" he looked shocked but said since my driving was safe and i wasnt putting anyone in danger (3am, empty country roads) that it was fine for me to continue on my way.

strange huh ?

Just treat it as a wake-up call. The consequences are not that serious considering that it's your first time. Just suck it up, plead guilty, and do a few hours of community service. If you show up in court trying to make a bunch of excuses why it should have been ok, and your found guilty, the judge may be a bit harder on you. Hopefully you'll stay clean from now on.

NORML! I've read stories of NORML attorney's doing a lot of their work pro-bono. And since this is such a small case i wouldn't be surprised if you NORML does it for free and you never even step into a courtroom. My favorite story from a person who used NORML was he got busted for growing. Basically the cops got his name from an online garden supply(I'm not going to name the store, because this WAS NOT A FACT) and then they did a trash pull on him and found "questionable materials." They then got a warrant for a FLIR scan(infrared camera flyover of his house.) This was in the middle of winter and they actually had to wait for the weather to clear up before they could get clearance for the helicopter to take off. When they flew over the house they picked up a massive red spot. Guess what it was? THE FURNACE! The cops then got a search warrant and raided the house. The guy showed him his growroom, he was running 150W!!! which if anybody knows isn't shit(not that i'm a specialist or anything, i just do a lot of reading.) Long story shot, NORML got him off completly by illegal search and seizure. NORML does good work. Good luck to you bro. Peace-

thanks man. no word from them yet, but hopefully that just means they're taking all the time to find more info to help me. :D

the only way he could've smelled weed on me was the fact that we had hotboxed my friend's room earlier. but it was only one joint, and he pulled us over about 4 hours after we smoked it. i would have thought the smell would have mostly disipated by then...but oh well.



another thing. i said in my original post that anyone who was going to judge me should fuck off before they post.


i forgot to mention that anyone who chooses to do what clawhammer did and say "i hope you learned your lesson" or "i hope you stay clean now" or something along those lines...

you can fuck right off too.

i live my life however i want to. i enjoy smoking marijuana, and one BULLSHIT charge isn't going to sway me from that. so neither are you. now if i had gotten caught with a shitload on me, and was facing some serious trouble right now, THEN i might change my mind. but this is precisely the reason why i never buy in big quantities.

i don't know if there's a bigger peeve of mine then people who preach. so come to terms with the fact that most people these days smoke weed, and stop trying to change their views on it. even the cop said that to me. "don't get too worried or worked up about this charge man. everybody these days smokes weed."

another thing. i said in my original post that anyone who was going to judge me should fuck off before they post.


i forgot to mention that anyone who chooses to do what clawhammer did and say "i hope you learned your lesson" or "i hope you stay clean now" or something along those lines...

you can fuck right off too.

i live my life however i want to. i enjoy smoking marijuana, and one BULLSHIT charge isn't going to sway me from that. so neither are you. now if i had gotten caught with a shitload on me, and was facing some serious trouble right now, THEN i might change my mind. but this is precisely the reason why i never buy in big quantities.

i don't know if there's a bigger peeve of mine then people who preach. so come to terms with the fact that most people these days smoke weed, and stop trying to change their views on it. even the cop said that to me. "don't get too worried or worked up about this charge man. everybody these days smokes weed."

amen

i hope you didnt think i was preaching. im fully on your side on this. i wasnt shrugging the charge off either, im just saying to not take it so hard :)

Well, I think just plead guilty, do community service, and it'll blow over. Also you might want to start carrying some febreeze with you just to be extra sure next time. :lol2:

haha, it's funny you mention that actually. when i was still driving my beat up old mini-van, it was a rather common that we would hot-box it. in fact most times when we'd roll a joint and get ready to smoke, and realize the van was sitting in the driveway, we'd go out and hotbox it instead of smoking it anywhere else.

because of this, i kept a bottle of febreze in there 24/7. haha.

i don't smoke IN my dad's car, so febreze wouldn't really help anything...i do however keep my cologne in my car with me, so whenever i'm done smoking i try to hit myself with a spritz or two. this time i admitedly forgot.

haha, it's funny you mention that actually. when i was still driving my beat up old mini-van, it was a rather common that we would hot-box it. in fact most times when we'd roll a joint and get ready to smoke, and realize the van was sitting in the driveway, we'd go out and hotbox it instead of smoking it anywhere else.

because of this, i kept a bottle of febreze in there 24/7. haha.

i don't smoke IN my dad's car, so febreze wouldn't really help anything...i do however keep my cologne in my car with me, so whenever i'm done smoking i try to hit myself with a spritz or two. this time i admitedly forgot.

AXE brother! That is the greatest coverup on the planet, especially in a car. I keep a can in my car specifically for that reason. Me and friends will blaze(while parked, I don't burn and drive and very rarely drive if I'm stoned. only if it is a neccesity) and as soon as you finish spray a couple of seconds all over the seats and the open area. Stink will be gone in a matter of mins. Peace-

another thing. i said in my original post that anyone who was going to judge me should fuck off before they post.

i forgot to mention that anyone who chooses to do what clawhammer did and say "i hope you learned your lesson" or "i hope you stay clean now" or something along those lines...

you can fuck right off too.

i live my life however i want to. i enjoy smoking marijuana, and one BULLSHIT charge isn't going to sway me from that. so neither are you. now if i had gotten caught with a shitload on me, and was facing some serious trouble right now, THEN i might change my mind. but this is precisely the reason why i never buy in big quantities.

i don't know if there's a bigger peeve of mine then people who preach. so come to terms with the fact that most people these days smoke weed, and stop trying to change their views on it. even the cop said that to me. "don't get too worried or worked up about this charge man. everybody these days smokes weed."

Buddy, I understand this stuff really worries you and gets you down. No body here wants to get on your case like that.

But your attitude here is a bit rigid and inflexible. Maybe you should try not to be so defensive and admit you made some mistakes.

We respect your right to do what you want to yourself, so don't bother telling me to fuck off. If you didn't want to read different opinions, don't bother posting your troubles. I am writing this for your benefit, not mine.

When you drive stoned, charges like this are (IMO) justified. Sure many people smoke. Many people drink, too. But not all of them get loaded and get behind the wheel. The moment you get drunk or high and start driving, you put others in society at risk, so society has to take measures against you.

I drive in Brampton, too and I resent the fact that you drive on my streets while impared. And don't start the argument that pot does not impair your driving, If it doesn't impair you, then what kind of bad shit are you smoking? Why bother smoking at all?

Don't wait for norml's lawyer. Ask about a free court-appointed lawyer, too, and go and talk with him/her.
Usually, there guys are overworked and have little time for you.
They will obviously try to work something simple, and arrange a plea bargain. This is okay, so long as the deal involves NO criminal record for you. If its a fine, probation, etc, thats acceptable. But a criminal record is not acceptable. A record will haunt you for years.

It severely restricts your ability to travel outside the country. There are many jobs that are not available to you if you have a record. In Canada, an employer usually cannot ask if you have a record, but if ever you want a job where security clearance is an issue (it happens a lot, especially if you want a good-paying job which requires skilled work) they will be off limits because of a record.

Finally, smoke if you want to, I'm not preaching here. But when I was your age, I wanted to do something with my life, to get the best education I could, the best job and family life and be the best person I could.
Since then, I have met (worked with, hired, been friends with) hundreds of people. The underachieving screw-ups almost all smoked pot. The successful, motivated people who made something with their lives never did, or gave it up years ago when they were teenagers. IMO that tells me something of the value of smoking the stuff.

MagicRat - Brian realises he "made some mistakes." He just doesn't want people preaching to him. It's his call if he continues to smoke it.

As for only drop outs and losers smoking it, get real. I know doctors and lawyers that have the occasional toke, and they're fucking at their jobs too.

I believe he clearly stated he doesn't get behind the wheel while the effects are still present. He said he waited a few hours before he drove.

I believe he clearly stated he doesn't get behind the wheel while the effects are still present. He said he waited a few hours before he drove.

The first post says:
we had just finished smoking up and watching a movie at my friend Michelle's house. it was about 1:10am, and we were driving

later he states: i smoked before driving, in fact HOURS before driving, that night. the smell that was on me couldn't have been that strong but i guess it was on my clothes so it was strong enough for him to smell it once he was at the window of the car.

The second post was in reference to smell, and not to the influence (or lack thereof) of the drug.

MagicRat - Brian realises he "made some mistakes." He just doesn't want people preaching to him. It's his call if he continues to smoke it.

As for only drop outs and losers smoking it, get real. I know doctors and lawyers that have the occasional toke, and they're fucking at their jobs too.
They're doing what at their jobs?? :smile:

I have no interest in preaching, starting an argument or pissing off Brian. I offer my opinion as is, without intending to pass judgement on anyone or their lifestyle choice,

My point is in reference to Suislides comments that most people smoke pot. Most people do not. If he thinks most people do, he may be getting a distorted view on drug use likely because of the people he hangs out with.

That is, IMO cause for some concern, because of the distinct correlation between the losers I have known and their drug use.

All the losers I have known smoke. All the successful people I know do not or stopped years ago. Sure, there are many reasons that determine why some people are losers. Smoking does not produce losers on its own, but there is IMO a strong correlation between the poor decisions in life that produce losers and the decision to smoke, in the people that I have known.

If you know successful people who still smoke, good for them. But they don't get charged with posession, do they?

I was providing Brian with my opinion here, because, as I stated, his defense of his decision to smoke seemed to be a bit too rigid and inflexible. IMO being this defensive is not accepting the scope of the mistake he made. I really have no interest in whether he chooses to continue to smoke or not.

:lol:

LOL

Whoops.

Add a "good" in there.

MagicRat -

i smoke and drive all the time. it is a fact that i am a better driver when i am high. i am more cautious of everything around me, more alert, etc. i have never, NEVER, had an accident while driving stoned. in fact i haven't even had a close call. if you think i'm putting you at danger by driving around Brampton stoned, then you're wasting your time worrying about stupid shit.

finally, if you want to stereotype stoners as losers, underachievers, and morons, then you are just as bad as any racist out there. i am currently enrolled in college, smoke multiple times a week, sometimes even AT school on my breaks, and i am currently achieving an honors average in my program with plans to go on to a more prestigious insitution next year. as are many of my friends in my program who also smoke.

so stereo-type me/us if you want, but in my opinion your entire post was ridiculous, pompous, and entirely un-needed. if this were anything but stress release, i would have deleted it.

good day.

Jesus Christ, if you don't want to hear criticism, don't post your fuck ups on a message board.

I'm a bit late coming into the thread, and good points have been made on both sides of the discussion.

However there is one thing on which I must strongly disagree:


i smoke and drive all the time. it is a fact that i am a better driver when i am high.

The following sites point out the effects of THC, one of which is reduced reaction time. This would indicate that while under the influence of the drug, an individual is actually a worse driver than they would be, when not under the influence:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/marijuana.html

http://www.amsa.org/resource/natlinit/marijuana.cfm

http://mojo.calyx.net/~olsen/HEMP/IHA/iha01206.html

There are numerous other sites; none of the ones I looked at indicated that being under the influence of THC made you a better driver. Sorry Suislide, I can't agree with you here. Maybe, as during alcohol use, you believe while stoned that you are a better driver.

Since then, I have met (worked with, hired, been friends with) hundreds of people. The underachieving screw-ups almost all smoked pot. The successful, motivated people who made something with their lives never did, or gave it up years ago when they were teenagers. IMO that tells me something of the value of smoking the stuff.




Let me get this straight. Are you sayin that people who smoke pot dont suceed?????If so, you are such a dumbass......If this is not what you mean I am sorry.....



My husband is a computer tech.... Has several certifications, Great job, makes lots of money ect.....AND HE IS A FUCKING HIPPI

Hubbys good friend owns a multi million dollor construction compony in Dallas..HE SMOKES MORE POT THAN WE DO.......


I could go on and on.....So shut tha fuck up.....Pot smokers get somewhere also. We are not all fucked uf and nobodys.....

There are a lot of people getting really defensive around here. I thought pot heads were generally more laid back. Turns out theres another myth busted.

I just dont like people sayin pot smokers get nowere in life. I am laid back, but not worthless....Thats bull shit......

MagicRat - fuck off.

sorry, i had to say it.

i smoke and drive all the time. it is a fact that i am a better driver when i am high. i am more cautious of everything around me, more alert, etc.

I'm with fred, I gotta call BS on that one, too. Tons of medical evidence says you're not fooling anybody but yourself.

Pot dulls your reaction time and affects your judgement, so I can see how you think you drive better. Pot also makes you a little more paranoid, so I can see how you might not like being told this stuff. To each his own. Oh, yeah, pot smokers get a little irritable if they haven't fired one up in a while.

A little advice, though: If you end up in my ER, don't expect us to pat you on the back and tell you what a great driver you are.

Gonna give MagicRat a few kudos, too. Every thread needs balance.

I'll save you the trouble, so you don't have to say it; I'll go f*ck off now.

LOL

Hey man whatever works for you. I used to smoke so much pot it isn't even funny. I litereatly was stoned all day, from wake and bake to goodnight toke. I've found that pot really murders my motivation(why go do something when i am comfortable right here) This isn't to say that pot turns you into a loser it's just how you chose to live while stoned(you could be productive or lazy.) I don't really smoke anymore and never liked driving stoned, I didn't feel as if i was driving worse or putting people in danger, i just never liked to doing it(I'm a very unproductive stoner). Pot is just like whatever, you smoke? so what. you don't? so what. Don't go preaching either way because both sides look like jackasses. Peace-

lol you guys are fucking priceless. fucking priceless.

i didn't post my "fuck up" on a message board so all of you assholes with too much time on your hands could come in here and JUDGE me, and tell me what to do with my life, or whatever the fuck.

by posting this, i realize i made a mistake. did i ever once say i didn't? no. if i had got booked for possession while blatantly smoking weed in the middle of fucking downtown toronto or something, THEN i would "suck it up" and take what's given to me. the fact that i was driving normally without any cause for suspicion, AND was pulled over, AND was compelled into what is apparently an illegal search (according to the NORML rep's i've spoken with, in ontario you can't compel a search based on smell), is the reason why i posted this. i posted this for HELP from people who have been in a similar situation, and/or people who have knowledge of the law. i didn't post it here to start a slack-jawed pothead-bashing thread.

and all of you who think i can't drive when i'm high...stop trying to convince me because you're getting nowhere. ask any of my friends who have driven with me when i was stoned, and they will tell you the same thing i already told you. in fact one time i was driving a friend somewhere, and once we got to the destination, i told them i had been stoned for the entire drive. they didn't believe me simply because they said there was no way i could have driven so well if i was as high as i was letting on to be. i don't know if this is something that maybe only happens with me? or with certain people? i don't know. the fact of the matter is, NONE OF YOU, not a single one of you, have seen me drive when i am high. therefore, do not pass judgement on me until you do, because all you're currently spouting to me is hear-say bullshit. but i told you to stop trying to convince me, so why should i be convincing you?

and don't call me irritable or paranoid because i "haven't fired one up in a while". fuck you for even saying that. what are you, 12? i'm getting irritable because most of this thread is fucking judgemental BULLSHIT when all i was asking for was a little help. can you not see how this situation is already tearing me apart? what the FUCK makes you think i need your judgement on top of it? i don't expect any pats on the back asshole, i never asked for them. i asked for help in this situation, so fuck off unless that's what you're going to give me.

MagicRat - i forgot to note in my last post that you have only noticed a distint corelation between the losers YOU HAVE KNOWN and pot smoking. this is only the losers YOU have known, so don't fucking stereo-type that to every one of us.

also this line? "If you know successful people who still smoke, good for them. But they don't get charged with posession, do they?"

if that was anything other then a direct fucking jab at me then i fail to see it. you're actually insinuating that i'm unsuccessful simply because of the fact that i was randomly pulled over while i happened to be carrying weed? baha....bahahahahahaha. i don't carry weed on me very often. in fact, like i said before, i usually buy in small quantities, and smoke that quantity within hours of buying it. and the times that i HAVE driven with weed before, i've never been caught. nor have i ever been pulled over while driving stoned, and in fact it's been pretty rare that i've been pulled over PERIOD. so before you go and try and insult me, think a bit first hmm?

if this bullshit continues i'm just going to up and delete the entire fucking thread. i'm sorry i ever posted it in the first place.

thanks alot AF.

LOL

The medical literature is out there if you care to read it. I used to smoke dope, too. I'm just calling BS when I see it. I'd hate to see somebody come in here and read this crap and start thinking it's a good idea to drive while stoned.

Hell, man, kick back and light up another spliff. You're too easy. ;-)

Oh, here's the sign from the front door of the Stress Release section:



Stress Release
Warning: Don't get offended by what's in here.

LOL

The medical literature is out there if you care to read it. I used to smoke dope, too. I'm just calling BS when I see it. I'd hate to see somebody come in here and read this crap and start thinking it's a good idea to drive while stoned.

Hell, man, kick back and light up another spliff. You're too easy. ;-)

Oh, here's the sign from the front door of the Stress Release section:



Stress Release
Warning: Don't get offended by what's in here.

i know what the sign says dipshit but when someone flat-out tells me i'm going to be unsuccessful in life just because i choose to smoke marijuana...well it's hard not to get offended.

and it kind of appears you didn't read any of my last post because i very obviousley said that medical literature means dick-all when i can prove to people that i am a good driver while stoned. i have no way of proving this to any of you however, save for maybe MagicRat since he appears to live near me, so believe what you want. i know what's happens when i drive stoned, and that's all that really matters to me at the end of the day.

Slow down people, put the guns down.

Brian, how's the case going?

no reply from NORML yet, it's been a week. i'm not really instilled with much faith in them, to be honest.

i don't really know what to do anymore, i'm lost, scared, worried, depressed, and now this lot has me all pissed off and uptight about it too. the two people i would usually go to for advice are my parents, and i can't even go to them with this one because they have absolutely no knowledge of my drug usage. and my dad looked down on me smoking cigars, nearly kicked me out just for that (which is why i don't smoke them often anymore), so his reaction to weed is estimated to be about the same if not worse.

so i really don't know what to do.

no reply from NORML yet, it's been a week. i'm not really instilled with much faith in them, to be honest.

i don't really know what to do anymore, i'm lost, scared, worried, depressed, and now this lot has me all pissed off and uptight about it too. the two people i would usually go to for advice are my parents, and i can't even go to them with this one because they have absolutely no knowledge of my drug usage. and my dad looked down on me smoking cigars, nearly kicked me out just for that (which is why i don't smoke them often anymore), so his reaction to weed is estimated to be about the same if not worse.

so i really don't know what to do.

My advice: Change your attitude a little bit from the way you came on this forum, and ask your parents for advice. If you're going to go to them all defensive just like you did here, than they're not going to like that. If you tell them you made a mistake, and you want their help, then they're more likely to help you out.

Lashing out at people isn't going to help you. You f-ed up and are going to need all the help you can get from those around you. Are you an internet hardass, or do you treat the people in you life as badly as you do on here.

You say you don't care what people think, but you are so defensive.

Lashing out at people isn't going to help you. You f-ed up and are going to need all the help you can get from those around you. Are you an internet hardass, or do you treat the people in you life as badly as you do on here.

You say you don't care what people think, but you are so defensive.

lamehonda i know you don't like me already so why are you even bothering to post?

i'm not an internet hard-ass, nor am i trying to be. i'm merely trying to get people to see that i realize that i fucked up and i don't need any more criticism/judgements about it. i've had enough of that from people in real life, and even from myself. i'm not trying to treat people badly if they didn't already say something to deserve it in the first place. i didn't ask for anything but help in this thread and yet people turned it into a shit-flinging fest.

i can see this is just going to continue, because apparently all anyone does is read the first post and hit the "reply" button instead of reading the entire thread.

i'm tearing myself up enough over this as it is so i don't need you, some random person X number of miles away from me who i will never meet, criticizing or judging me on this.

thread is closed. anyone who actually wants to help, you know where to reach me.

"thanks" for all the help.