B16A or B18C

Hey Ya,
I just purchased a 1994 EG6 hatch. I'm planning on a engine swap soon. The weapons of choice: either a B16A or B18C. Which of the two is "overall" the "better bang for your buck" engine??? Meaning, gives you the better response, acceleration, and price. To make this more interesting, I'm willing to spend a maximum of $8,000 for the engine including parts.

buy a b18 block, b18c1 head, rebuild it and boost....

ok....on the wrong track now....i'm just not the biggest fan of the ls/vtec thing....i guess i forgot to add this...i want my engine to be reliable in the long run also...and from what i know and experience, ls/vtec is not that reliable....to many leaks and problems....like yeah....if its rebuild professionally then yeah...its good...but thats just extra money to make it as fast as just buying a B18C stock...lets just stick with the B18C and B16A

To put it simply the b16 is good, the b18 is better (and this coming from a b16 owner). It's better mainly due to the increased displacment and more hp/tq. For around 8gs you can really do a lot. do you want to turbo or stay NA???
Either way with a budget like that you can make one hell of a motor.

for $8000, go get a new car. otherwise the search function is very useful.

i wasn't sayin to do an LS/VTEC.....get a B18C1 block and the VTEC head.....then build the bottom end of the block and booost it.

for $8000, go get a new car. otherwise the search function is very useful.
2-3 more is an ls1 :naughty:

gsr > b16

I've had both and I like my lsvtec better then both of them.

LS1?? Who wants that domestic garbage :p

what do you think of an SR20det, that's my choice if i had money to blow or if i could sell my car...

Not to steal the thread, but Ace, what have you heard about SR's?? Are they like DSMs....fun and fast, but break all the time??

LS1?? Who wants that domestic garbage :p

what do you think of an SR20det, that's my choice if i had money to blow or if i could sell my car...

Not to steal the thread, but Ace, what have you heard about SR's?? Are they like DSMs....fun and fast, but break all the time??

KAT > SR

LS1-T > super sayien zombie jesus.

SRs hold up the just get laughable milage and are horridly filthy motors *as smog goes*

To put it simply the b16 is good, the b18 is better (and this coming from a b16 owner). It's better mainly due to the increased displacment and more hp/tq. For around 8gs you can really do a lot. do you want to turbo or stay NA???
Either way with a budget like that you can make one hell of a motor.

well....as for a start, all motor...but my main goal is turbo....but at the same time....all motor is just as good to...because i want to keep the car "street" form....full interior...street tires...and running on pump gas... no NOS....and no supercharger.....hondas dont go good with superchargers...especially B-series engines......

for $8000, go get a new car. otherwise the search function is very useful.

why get another car...when i already got the car i want....like yeah... the 240sx is a great car...had one...but i live in MN...i want a car i can drive all the time....DSMS...naw...aint a big fan of DSMS....my motto is:

"Joing JDM, Leave DSM" no offense to DSM lovers...like yeah...a eclipse is one fast car.....but......i just have a thing with JDM cars......just more reliable...

integra..naw.....a gsr is running like what....at least 15.2 in the 1320... put a B18c in a civic and thats some 14sec times there...for less the price......

for $8k.....a civic is just the car to experience in.....everything from engine parts to suspension parts.......

i wasn't sayin to do an LS/VTEC.....get a B18C1 block and the VTEC head.....then build the bottom end of the block and booost it.

I'm still not understanding what your trying to say....for what i know... a B18C1 is a vtec motor.....and throwing a vtec head on it???? why???
IT ALREADY IS VTEC?!?!?!?!

2-3 more is an ls1 :naughty:

gsr > b16

I've had both and I like my lsvtec better then both of them.

sorry...i'm not a ls/vtec fan....like i said before....its just not reliable... just face it.....just to make that ls/vtec run just as good...would cost more than just buying a B18c engine....why waste soo much time to make that ls/vtec run "good".....too many problems....

LS1?? Who wants that domestic garbage :p

what do you think of an SR20det, that's my choice if i had money to blow or if i could sell my car...

Not to steal the thread, but Ace, what have you heard about SR's?? Are they like DSMs....fun and fast, but break all the time??

sr20det huh....first of all..thats a nissan engine.....and to answer your question....its not a dsm....and from what i know....sr20s dont break like dsms.....to my knowledge...the sr20 is one strong engine....475 hp on stock internals....damn.......thats hella good for a inline 4.......BUT on the other hand...lets get back to my question here......

i dont think people are getting the point of this forum....this isnt about ls/vtec...or sr20s....its just nice and simply...."B16A or a B18C" thats it....just those two...ok.........and for 8gs...im not going to "buy another car"....for a whole car build up... 8gs aint much....rims w/tires is already close to 2 grand....a engine...2 or so grand....coilovers...a good grand or so.....ext...intake..headers...ecu... with 8 grand to build up the engine and susp. i think it goes by pretty quick......

so....lets start over again......

I just purchased a 1994 EG6 hatch. I'm planning on a engine swap soon. The weapons of choice: either a B16A or B18C. Which of the two is "overall" the "better bang for your buck" engine??? Meaning, gives you the better response, acceleration, and price. To make this more interesting, I'm willing to spend a maximum of $8,000 for the engine including parts.

You can buy running awd SVX's for $1,500-$4,000.. use the rest of your budget on a turbo kit and other mods :)

sr20det huh....first of all..thats a nissan engine.......

Well no shit sherlock...good catch on that one :loser:

And if you're going to get Ace to help you, dont' talk shit about the LS/VTEC or you'll be on the shit list for a while...


and you got your answer....the B18C1 is the better of the two if you can afford it.....

get what you can afford. either the b16 or b18c1 will be good for boost. do your research ;)

sorry...i'm not a ls/vtec fan....like i said before....its just not reliable... just face it.....just to make that ls/vtec run just as good...would cost more than just buying a B18c engine....why waste soo much time to make that ls/vtec run "good".....too many problems....
Let me ask you somthing mr single cam wonder?

have you had a b16? Have you had a GSR? Have you had a lsvtec?
NO SO SHUT THE FUCK UP.

c1s cost alot and are worth it. They are great just little overpriced.
My lsvtec cost less makes more power and was brand new unlike my 30K mile GSR.

You wanted some help and then try to tell ME stuff about hondas? how about take your 14 WHP car and drive into a lake.

Let me ask you somthing mr single cam wonder?

have you had a b16? Have you had a GSR? Have you had a lsvtec?
NO SO SHUT THE FUCK UP.

c1s cost alot and are worth it. They are great just little overpriced.
My lsvtec cost less makes more power and was brand new unlike my 30K mile GSR.

You wanted some help and then try to tell ME stuff about hondas? how about take your 14 WHP car and drive into a lake.


I warned ya, but now you pissed him off.....

I warned ya, but now you pissed him off.....
*Bill Cosby* NOW WHY YOU GO PUT A BULLET IN THE FUNRACE!

Well no shit sherlock...good catch on that one :loser:

And if you're going to get Ace to help you, dont' talk shit about the LS/VTEC or you'll be on the shit list for a while...


and you got your answer....the B18C1 is the better of the two if you can afford it.....

hahahaha...u one f*ckin funny dude......s#it...i dont believe how stupid these people can be....as for your s#itty a$$ ls/vtec...F*ck u....i know its a piece of s#it......believe it or not...if you dont have ur own shop.....you aint making the big bucks....face it....that ls/vtec aint going to last u longer than 3 months....two months is pushing it already.......u making it seem like if i dont know my s#it.....man... ive been in the import scene forever....since '95 alright....i just didnt start when the fast and the furious came out...like most people...hint hint....

You can buy running awd SVX's for $1,500-$4,000.. use the rest of your budget on a turbo kit and other mods :)

ok....first of all.....like i said before....IM NOT GOING TO BUY ANOTHER CAR.....damn.....can u guys read........its not that difficult.....a svx... dude.....that car weighs a ton alright.........that car is running what.... 15s or even 16s in the 1320????? with how much hp again???? yeah.. thats what i thought.......

hahahaha...u one f*ckin funny dude......s#it...i dont believe how stupid these people can be....as for your s#itty a$$ ls/vtec...F*ck u....i know its a piece of s#it......believe it or not...if you dont have ur own shop.....you aint making the big bucks....face it....that ls/vtec aint going to last u longer than 3 months....two months is pushing it already.......u making it seem like if i dont know my s#it.....man... ive been in the import scene forever....since '95 alright....i just didnt start when the fast and the furious came out...like most people...hint hint....
Wow.

You do know AF doesn't edit or is your typing that skewed? Let me display. Cock balls fuck.

My lsvtec is closing on her 1st birthday running like a champ. I dont own a shop or, work in the "import scene". I make alot more money doing what I do now then sending 17 year olds to die after welding on a APEXI n1 can to the 1989 honda civic daddy bought them *see you*

Face it your the one driving around in a crap stock car and I'm the one happy with his "time bomb". You've yet to even try to make up a good reason why lsvtec isn't a good idea. You just bash pointlessly because you have no good reasons, no facts, no proof.

Mine was built and tuned well thats the key when a knuckle dragging moron like your self JBwelds a XSI teg head to a b18b block and takes it to 9500RPM stock it'll blow. Is that why Mr. Pissy Pants JDM ness hates lsvtecs so much?

As I said before you know nothing and will keep being a slow stupid ricer.

edit: if you really had a REAL EG you'd already have a b16 GG fuckwit!

get what you can afford. either the b16 or b18c1 will be good for boost. do your research ;)

as for the engine itself...like yeah...me personally..the B18C is the better bang for the buck....its a hell lot cheaper......but i just want peoples input of the two.......for me...i want to stroke them to a 2.0 displacement....then turbo it out....i just dont want to turbo it first....me i think thats just stupid......i want my internals to be able to handle the boost....and with the eagle stroker kit....they come with je pistons....connecting rods, etc.....so my internals are ok....like...yeah.... when the B16A is stroked to a 2.0...damn...thats a big difference.... and with then B18C stroked to a 2.0.....its good....but not as the B16A.....and since the bore and stroke are different from the two... wouldnt that make the B16A have an overall more torque than the B18C?????.....yeah..of course....its like 50/50...this is how i see it.... when starting out...the B18C is going to give you more power overall... but in the long run.....i see the B16A more potenial.....but at the same time....thats more than my 8grand limit......its a hard dicision......

if you been in the scene for 10 years, you would know enough not to ask this.

I just purchased a 1994 EG6 hatch. I'm planning on a engine swap soon. The weapons of choice: either a B16A or B18C. Which of the two is "overall" the "better bang for your buck" engine??? Meaning, gives you the better response, acceleration, and price. To make this more interesting, I'm willing to spend a maximum of $8,000 for the engine including parts.

why? because the answer will end up in an opinion. the fact is, both engines are very good.

Its kinda like asking,

"Would you pick Ken or Ryu in Street Fighter and why?"

truth is, find what you can afford, find out what your goals are, and start from there.

that ls/vtec aint going to last u longer than 3 months....two months is pushing it already

do your research.

The weapons of choice: either a B16A or B18C. Which of the two is "overall" the "better bang for your buck" engine??? Meaning, gives you the better response, acceleration, and price.

and again, do your research.

if you been in the scene for 10 years, you would know enough not to ask this.



why? because the answer will end up in an opinion. the fact is, both engines are very good.

Its kinda like asking,

"Would you pick Ken or Ryu in Street Fighter and why?"
Ryu > Ken

I do love that flaming dragon punch though

its ALL about the Hadoken at the end off the day thats why Ryu is better.

Let me ask you somthing mr single cam wonder?

have you had a b16? Have you had a GSR? Have you had a lsvtec?
NO SO SHUT THE FUCK UP.

c1s cost alot and are worth it. They are great just little overpriced.
My lsvtec cost less makes more power and was brand new unlike my 30K mile GSR.

You wanted some help and then try to tell ME stuff about hondas? how about take your 14 WHP car and drive into a lake.

first of all....i opened this thread because i dont have honda engines... but i can tell u this much.....i had a 240sx....s13 front...sr20det....running 13.2.......i still have a mk3.....with a 1jz.....pushing 500hp and going....no nos...street driven.....

now u f*ckin tell me what i just said.....FIRST...do u even now what a mk3 is???? a 1jz....FUCK no.....cause why......all u know is honda!!!!!
me on the other hand........im not just about one car brand......i aint living in no nut shell like u.......shit....honda this honda that.......honda aint all that alright....like yeah...i got one....and its a great car....but... this isnt the car i want forever...its a project car........this is the reason why i didnt buy a honda at first.....TOO MANY PEOPLE THINK THEY SOO BADASS.....they're overrated.....so many white boys who dont know shite about it wants one just because of the fast and the furious.... just making our cars look bad.......so thats why i bought a 240....but no...now....its all about drifting.....everyone wants to be just like tak...thats why i sold my 240.....its going to be out done.....and overrated.....people wants a 240 with a sr20 for 13grand....hell no.... thats too expensive.....i tell u this much....i was once the biggest honda fan....til they got out done....now...im back....for one reason....just to show the streets of MN a JDM civic......

and as for your help...I AINT HERE FOR HELP SHIT.....when did i say that....man...i fuckin stupid as hell too......i just want peoples opinions....i know enough...and i bet more than u....u fucking dumbass...

I warned ya, but now you pissed him off.....

i dont fuckin care who this ace person is....he just some fuckin dude whow saw the fast and the furious...and fell in love with the movie... and sold his camaro to buy a import car.....thats IF he is a guy...could be a girl....(sounds like one)........

and sold his camaro to buy a import car
:screwy: I just bought a z28

yeah...ive been in the scene for the longest time.....and dude... trust me...i know enough....that question......ive done my research...dont worry about it.....this is just a thread......basically....a forum of opinions......right?????......i want to know what people would choose...

as for the street fighter...thats just as hard.....ryu is great because hes powerful...but on the other hand....ken is fast....really fast.....

thats just the reason why i opened this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my main goal for this car is....the power band.....how the power flows...nothing too crazy..........smooth power til redline.....

i already know what i want......i just want peoples end of this....Why would they choose a B16A over a B18C??? Ryu over Ken???? see what i mean....

and again, do your research.

Alright, cut the crap and cut it now. Everyone. No flaming, none. This thread is getting way out of line. Flaming is NOT tolerated, so drop it and cut the attitudes and crap. Now, jdm_spec, cut the crap. Cut the attitudes and cussing and insulting of other members. Almost everyone in this thread is guilty of flaming, but in the last few posts you took it overboard...flaming and personal attacks and insults ARE NOT TOLERATED...so drop it and DON'T push it.

Now, B16A or B18C1? 8 grand limit, screw stroking it...eats up too much $$. Now, between a B16a and B18C1...B18C1 has more displacement...and IMO the displacement is what I'd go for over the slightly better flowing B16A head (flows like around 7%). True, the Type-R parts don't all bolt on (intake mani, etc), but forgot that. If you want one, get a AEBS intake mani, it's based on a type-r one. Throw in some type-r cams...spend 1 grand on some stronger crower rods and arias pistons, and then $300 on some valves and retainers...say u send 2 grand...and 3 for the swap...the 5 Gs...Screw intake, header, etc, now put 3 grand towards a turbo kit...piece it toghter and run it with hondata w/ boost control. Boost it to 12, 15psi max...tuned right, that'll give you enough power and all. There's your 8 grand. save up $1500 more before doing this, buy some cheap rims/tires combo from wheelmax...$750 will get you something from them, and get some tein basics, $750 MSRP...there you go, almost everything you asked for.

Wow.

You do know AF doesn't edit or is your typing that skewed? Let me display. Cock balls fuck.

My lsvtec is closing on her 1st birthday running like a champ. I dont own a shop or, work in the "import scene". I make alot more money doing what I do now then sending 17 year olds to die after welding on a APEXI n1 can to the 1989 honda civic daddy bought them *see you*

Face it your the one driving around in a crap stock car and I'm the one happy with his "time bomb". You've yet to even try to make up a good reason why lsvtec isn't a good idea. You just bash pointlessly because you have no good reasons, no facts, no proof.

Mine was built and tuned well thats the key when a knuckle dragging moron like your self JBwelds a XSI teg head to a b18b block and takes it to 9500RPM stock it'll blow. Is that why Mr. Pissy Pants JDM ness hates lsvtecs so much?

As I said before you know nothing and will keep being a slow stupid ricer.

edit: if you really had a REAL EG you'd already have a b16 GG fuckwit!

ah man...this guys funny......i bought that stock civic because ITS STOCK....damn how fucking stupid are u....im not going to buy some dudes eg witha B16 already...knowing that it already been beaten the fuck out already....with it being stock...i get to modify it myself...duh.....
and...hey fuck head.....ive tuned plenty of cars.....i still have a MK3...

man....did u even graduate yet????

how many fuckin times do i have to say this......

ls/vtec leaks.....they break down soo much faster......and to make it RUN fine....would cost more money than to just buy a B18C1 u dumbass.....face it.....i GUARANTEE u anything....that ls/vtec shit costed you more than just buying a B18C huh....the only reason why u still have it...is because you already invested soo much money into that u can afford to just throw it away....when you could have just got a B18C.......me the ricer....look at yourself...and then u tell me......i bet u....your shitless time bomb is running on donuts huh....trying to make it look JDM.....just because its black....

make yourself useful......go back and read ALL your 5 issues of mags again....and maybe...just maybe...u might learn something about it.....

:screwy: I just bought a z28

exactly.....go back to the cars that YOU know.....dont fuckin make our imports look bad.......

finally....someone is doing something right......

jdm_spec, I warned you in the last post to drop the crap, that it won't be tolerateed and not to push it. That was the one warning...period. I then gave you the advice you were seeking and asking about in my last post also. You not only ignored it completly, but ignored it to contuine the crap, insults and flaming. You completly disregarded my warning and contuined the crap. I warned you NOT to push it, you pushed it.

This thread is locked....DO NOT make a new thread continuing this crap. DO NOT CONTUINE FLAMING AND INSULTING OTHER MEMBERS. It WILL NOT be tolerated. Consider this your last warning. Next time, you'll get a long vacation from AF.