Do you eat meat?
BCCRXdotCOM
11-18-2005, 07:32 PM
Meet your meat
It fuckin pisses me off when I show people this video and they don't even fuckin care. Like sure keep eating meat I don't care I just want you to see this video. But when you laugh it shows how much of a loser you are to laugh at pain and suffering. You think torture to those who cannot speak for themselves is ok? You're fucked.
"Pain is pain, and the importance of preventing unnecessary pain and suffering does not diminish because the being that suffers is not a member of our species. When non-vegetarians say that "human problems come first" I cannot help wondering what exactly it is that they are doing for human beings that compels them to continue to support the wasteful, ruthless exploitation of farm animals."
Check this out and have a fucking heart.
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=meet_your_meat
It fuckin pisses me off when I show people this video and they don't even fuckin care. Like sure keep eating meat I don't care I just want you to see this video. But when you laugh it shows how much of a loser you are to laugh at pain and suffering. You think torture to those who cannot speak for themselves is ok? You're fucked.
"Pain is pain, and the importance of preventing unnecessary pain and suffering does not diminish because the being that suffers is not a member of our species. When non-vegetarians say that "human problems come first" I cannot help wondering what exactly it is that they are doing for human beings that compels them to continue to support the wasteful, ruthless exploitation of farm animals."
Check this out and have a fucking heart.
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=meet_your_meat
MBTN
11-18-2005, 08:12 PM
Peta = Ban!
vinnym86
11-18-2005, 08:34 PM
nuthin like nicely cooked veal! lol
ey, listen, i know pple are all for animal rights and all, but there is a certain extent you can go to for a nation that is predominantly meat eaters. no, a world that is. just be glad those farm birds are in there, instead of the front of some chinese store in 5 points nyc on some hook. atleast those farm chickens die with friends, and away from the streets! nobody likes dying on the streets!
oh, and if you think THAT'S bad, wait till you see some footage on discovery. you know somebody's gotta tell those predators to start killing their prey in a less brutal manner. its not nice. all the biting and the blood, they should learn to use better methods, don't u think? like the lethal injection meybe?
ey, listen, i know pple are all for animal rights and all, but there is a certain extent you can go to for a nation that is predominantly meat eaters. no, a world that is. just be glad those farm birds are in there, instead of the front of some chinese store in 5 points nyc on some hook. atleast those farm chickens die with friends, and away from the streets! nobody likes dying on the streets!
oh, and if you think THAT'S bad, wait till you see some footage on discovery. you know somebody's gotta tell those predators to start killing their prey in a less brutal manner. its not nice. all the biting and the blood, they should learn to use better methods, don't u think? like the lethal injection meybe?
vinnym86
11-18-2005, 08:39 PM
oh, and how about this: don't you think humans should FIRST make an initiative to stop suffering of THEIR OWN KIND before animals? afterall, its even worse that we start spending money to give these entrees a nice death rather than attending to those billions in other less fortunate countries who are all sorts of fucked up, dont u think?
BCCRXdotCOM
11-18-2005, 08:43 PM
Most reasonable people want to prevent war, racial inequality, poverty, and unemployment; the problem is that we have been trying to prevent these things for years, and now we have to admit that, for the most part, we don't really know how to do it. By comparison, the reduction of the suffering of non-human animals at the hands of humans will be relatively easy, once human beings set themselves to do it.
milton666
11-18-2005, 08:51 PM
lol im with vinny, im sure getting your throat ripped out by another animal sucks alot more than how they get killed, and on a side note, peoples bodies need meat. ok not necisarilly "need" but have you ever looked at a vegeterian vs a non-vegeterian? vegeterians dont look healthy, theyre all pale and scrawny and shit. just a thought
BCCRXdotCOM
11-18-2005, 08:54 PM
im a vegan and I know I look fine. haha I dont know who you're looking at?? Have you ever realized that most of the incredibly beautiful people in the world are the richest superstars? Majority of them are vegetarians.
vinnym86
11-18-2005, 09:07 PM
im a vegan and I know I look fine. haha I dont know who you're looking at?? Have you ever realized that most of the incredibly beautiful people in the world are the richest superstars? Majority of them are vegetarians.
ahem... beauty is in the eye of the beholder. an besides, Heidi Klum (just one of my many favorite models, lol) eats like a pig! loooooves her meat.
and milton, not all vegetarians are like so. ever consider the regions of the world that are vegetarian? most of my family is vegetarian, cuz they're hindu. i'm actually the "scrawniest" by age and hieght weighing in at 140. so i think you should ditch the stereotypes.
ne way, not being ignorant at all, i watched the vid, but my take on this situation is just "hey, we've got more important shit to be worrying about right now".
ahem... beauty is in the eye of the beholder. an besides, Heidi Klum (just one of my many favorite models, lol) eats like a pig! loooooves her meat.
and milton, not all vegetarians are like so. ever consider the regions of the world that are vegetarian? most of my family is vegetarian, cuz they're hindu. i'm actually the "scrawniest" by age and hieght weighing in at 140. so i think you should ditch the stereotypes.
ne way, not being ignorant at all, i watched the vid, but my take on this situation is just "hey, we've got more important shit to be worrying about right now".
BleedDodge
11-18-2005, 09:08 PM
I am a carnivore.
Gohan Ryu
11-18-2005, 09:10 PM
im a vegan and I know I look fine. haha I dont know who you're looking at?? Have you ever realized that most of the incredibly beautiful people in the world are the richest superstars? Majority of them are vegetarians.
Have you ever seen an actor or actress in real life? They are pretty skinny/sickly looking, the camera adds pounds. In person most of them look anorexic.
Fake boobs, collagen injections, plastic surgery...those beautiful people you admire so much aren't real.
Have you ever seen an actor or actress in real life? They are pretty skinny/sickly looking, the camera adds pounds. In person most of them look anorexic.
Fake boobs, collagen injections, plastic surgery...those beautiful people you admire so much aren't real.
BCCRXdotCOM
11-18-2005, 09:22 PM
well I have none of those and Im not anorexic.
tenguzero
11-18-2005, 09:26 PM
It IS incredibly sick how we go about the process. I eat meat, and I enjoy meat, but it's never out of mind how that meat came to be on my plate. It's tough to look in the eyes of a cow as they're cutting its genitals off -- without sedating or even NUMBING them. When the family brings Rover to the vet, what do you think would happen to that vet if said family found out that the vent didn't even use anything on their dog, and instead just took some scissors and cut his genitals off? I can guarantee that vent wouldn't be in practice very long. So what makes a cow any less worthy of our sympathy? Just because it's one in a huge group, suddenly that lowers its importance?
On the other hand, meat is an important part of the diet, and it's a necessary component to survival. Let's face it -- if meat didn't have the properties of an important source of sustenance, your average Wolf, or Lion, or Bear, or Aardvark for that matter would be in big trouble. And there are MANY flaws in vegetarian logic as well
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
Maddox's caustic presentation method aside, he raises some excellent, research-backed points.
The fact is, there IS no easy way to go about obtaining food -- by their very natures, harvesting, hunting, and foraging ALL have one thing in common: they involve TAKING from the environment. If there was something higher up in the food chain then us, it would be expected that we would potentially be ripe for a live boiling, castration, branding, and throat slitting -- we could only hope that this higher race would at least be humane about it though. It's the cycle of life, from seed or embryo to harvest or slaughter. Extraction is unavoidable, however the methods employed CAN be controlled. A cow doesn't have to be castrated, branded, and bled while still alive -- unfortunately the meat industry finds those methods to (sadly) be the most expedient way. The killing of an animal is necessary for the process to complete, but we CAN do our damndest to make the most of the life we took, and insure that we try and do it in the most humane way possible. It doesn't take a genius to realize that there is a LOT of despicable shit that goes down in the meat "manufacturing" process that is just plain unneccesary, and should be unquestionably outlawed -- I can only hope that the future brings more humane management of the process, and more respect for the life sacrificed to put meat on our table.
On the other hand, meat is an important part of the diet, and it's a necessary component to survival. Let's face it -- if meat didn't have the properties of an important source of sustenance, your average Wolf, or Lion, or Bear, or Aardvark for that matter would be in big trouble. And there are MANY flaws in vegetarian logic as well
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
Maddox's caustic presentation method aside, he raises some excellent, research-backed points.
The fact is, there IS no easy way to go about obtaining food -- by their very natures, harvesting, hunting, and foraging ALL have one thing in common: they involve TAKING from the environment. If there was something higher up in the food chain then us, it would be expected that we would potentially be ripe for a live boiling, castration, branding, and throat slitting -- we could only hope that this higher race would at least be humane about it though. It's the cycle of life, from seed or embryo to harvest or slaughter. Extraction is unavoidable, however the methods employed CAN be controlled. A cow doesn't have to be castrated, branded, and bled while still alive -- unfortunately the meat industry finds those methods to (sadly) be the most expedient way. The killing of an animal is necessary for the process to complete, but we CAN do our damndest to make the most of the life we took, and insure that we try and do it in the most humane way possible. It doesn't take a genius to realize that there is a LOT of despicable shit that goes down in the meat "manufacturing" process that is just plain unneccesary, and should be unquestionably outlawed -- I can only hope that the future brings more humane management of the process, and more respect for the life sacrificed to put meat on our table.
BCCRXdotCOM
11-18-2005, 09:36 PM
That was a really nice point. Thank you for acknowlegding my post. I read the link you posted and found it quite interesting. But yet I wont eat animal products.
YogsVR4
11-18-2005, 10:13 PM
Fresh meat = good meal. I don't care how the killing is done. I only care that the meat is carved and packed properly so it maintains its flavor.
The only animals that should be left alone are the ones people own as pets. Don't kill Timmy's dog for dinner, but if you really want canine, raise a dog for that purpose. Proper management will prevent animals from being hunted to extinction and the rest for dinner :thumbsup:
The only animals that should be left alone are the ones people own as pets. Don't kill Timmy's dog for dinner, but if you really want canine, raise a dog for that purpose. Proper management will prevent animals from being hunted to extinction and the rest for dinner :thumbsup:
vinnym86
11-18-2005, 10:16 PM
aren't kosher meats "killed in a humane manner"?
drunken monkey
11-18-2005, 10:17 PM
how many of you out there have ever thought about all of them animals and insects that are killed in the process of farming non-meat products.
how many rabbits, foxes, mice, moles etc are shot, trapped or accidentally run over to keep them off the crop and to maintain the land or even in the harvesting process?
life is life.
at least i'm aware of the fact that what i eat used to be a living creature.
are you aware of the animals that are killed that you don't even eat?
how many rabbits, foxes, mice, moles etc are shot, trapped or accidentally run over to keep them off the crop and to maintain the land or even in the harvesting process?
life is life.
at least i'm aware of the fact that what i eat used to be a living creature.
are you aware of the animals that are killed that you don't even eat?
MagicRat
11-18-2005, 11:41 PM
"Pain is pain, and the importance of preventing unnecessary pain and suffering does not diminish because the being that suffers is not a member of our species. When non-vegetarians say that "human problems come first" I cannot help wondering what exactly it is that they are doing for human beings that compels them to continue to support the wasteful, ruthless exploitation of farm animals."
I posted much the same thoughts in the 'chicken' thread.
It is, however, worthy of posting here.
Althought PETA has made promotion of humane treatment of animals a point (one with which I agree) they repeatedly have made it their goal to eliminate the use of all food animals; and here is a problem with that stand.
It is the very act of raising animals to be eaten that gives that animal a life, gives it an alleged "intellegence" and gives it life experiences, as much as a farmed animal can have.
It's not like slaughter houses are interrupting the happy lives of chickens in the wild. If we did not eat animals, they simply would not exist. For myself, I would rather have a life; limited as it may be, rather than never to be born (hatched) and never to exist at all.
Now who are we to decide for them they should not exist at all?
Ah, yes, it's the arrogance of groups like PETA who think they know best.
There is no such thing as a free lunch (no pun intended). I have to work for a living to pay for the things I need to survive; and in turn, the animals must do so as well, by becoming dinner.
As for the morality of eating animals; have you ever seen nature shows, where the carnivore hunts and kills they prey? We all hate to see that, but animals are part of the food chain. The deer is food for the wolves, and the wolves eventually die and become carrion for the scavengers and the insects. It has been this way on earth for more than a billion years, since animals evolved beyond the level of the trilobite.
Why should people be made to feel bad about a natural process?
Yes, again, that is the arrogance of PETA again, wanting to reverse a billion years of evolution..........
Most animals cannot comprehend of the abstract notion of free will, individual determination and the rights of others. Therefore, why do they deserve those rights from us?
Dispite this, there are problems with the way many farm animals are raised; organic free - range, drug free cattle are happier, healthier and better for food than feed-lot cattle, which are pumped full of carcenogenic (for the humans eating the meat) steroids and hormones to increase their rate of growth. Note this increased rate of growth makes a feed-lot animal ready for slaughter a year faster than an organically raised animal, so most of North American beef comes from feed lots.
The European Union has banned these growth hormones, making feed-lot animals simply not economically viable there. North American governments have not banned such practices.
IMO Peta should refocus their goals.
I posted much the same thoughts in the 'chicken' thread.
It is, however, worthy of posting here.
Althought PETA has made promotion of humane treatment of animals a point (one with which I agree) they repeatedly have made it their goal to eliminate the use of all food animals; and here is a problem with that stand.
It is the very act of raising animals to be eaten that gives that animal a life, gives it an alleged "intellegence" and gives it life experiences, as much as a farmed animal can have.
It's not like slaughter houses are interrupting the happy lives of chickens in the wild. If we did not eat animals, they simply would not exist. For myself, I would rather have a life; limited as it may be, rather than never to be born (hatched) and never to exist at all.
Now who are we to decide for them they should not exist at all?
Ah, yes, it's the arrogance of groups like PETA who think they know best.
There is no such thing as a free lunch (no pun intended). I have to work for a living to pay for the things I need to survive; and in turn, the animals must do so as well, by becoming dinner.
As for the morality of eating animals; have you ever seen nature shows, where the carnivore hunts and kills they prey? We all hate to see that, but animals are part of the food chain. The deer is food for the wolves, and the wolves eventually die and become carrion for the scavengers and the insects. It has been this way on earth for more than a billion years, since animals evolved beyond the level of the trilobite.
Why should people be made to feel bad about a natural process?
Yes, again, that is the arrogance of PETA again, wanting to reverse a billion years of evolution..........
Most animals cannot comprehend of the abstract notion of free will, individual determination and the rights of others. Therefore, why do they deserve those rights from us?
Dispite this, there are problems with the way many farm animals are raised; organic free - range, drug free cattle are happier, healthier and better for food than feed-lot cattle, which are pumped full of carcenogenic (for the humans eating the meat) steroids and hormones to increase their rate of growth. Note this increased rate of growth makes a feed-lot animal ready for slaughter a year faster than an organically raised animal, so most of North American beef comes from feed lots.
The European Union has banned these growth hormones, making feed-lot animals simply not economically viable there. North American governments have not banned such practices.
IMO Peta should refocus their goals.
xokayxo
11-18-2005, 11:43 PM
i love meat. give me a steak any day of the week.
"i take a vitamin every day. it's called a steak."
i try not to think about how animals are slaughtered and tortured for human consumption. i am not ignorant -- i've watched the videos, read the flyers, heard speeches... i just dont believe that my body would fare very well if i didnt eat meat. i dont think that i could get the same vitamins, nutrients, etc that i get from meat as opposed to eat all things plant-based (ever tried "morningstar farms veggie breakfast sausage patties"? imo....NASTY!!). i respect vegetarians and vegans for their choices in the way they live their life. but, like i said, i love meat. :dunno:
"i take a vitamin every day. it's called a steak."
i try not to think about how animals are slaughtered and tortured for human consumption. i am not ignorant -- i've watched the videos, read the flyers, heard speeches... i just dont believe that my body would fare very well if i didnt eat meat. i dont think that i could get the same vitamins, nutrients, etc that i get from meat as opposed to eat all things plant-based (ever tried "morningstar farms veggie breakfast sausage patties"? imo....NASTY!!). i respect vegetarians and vegans for their choices in the way they live their life. but, like i said, i love meat. :dunno:
vinnym86
11-19-2005, 12:10 AM
those are my views on peta exactly, MagicRat. very well put.
MBTN
11-19-2005, 01:15 AM
Wise men once said:
"If god didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat."
And of course:
"For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat 3"
"If god didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat."
And of course:
"For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat 3"
93rollaracer
11-19-2005, 01:17 AM
Like I said in your other thread...
I love animals...they're delicious.
O and I forgot... :banhim:
I love animals...they're delicious.
O and I forgot... :banhim:
Twizted_3KGT
11-19-2005, 02:03 AM
Here i'll make it simple: When you eat meat, do your tastebuds tell your brain good or bad? They say "mmmm thats good", it's genetically correct for us to eat it. You don't give animals humaine treatment, because they're not human, they're lower than us, and no matter how cruel it sounds its in our DNA to eat them....and it's seeped into your brain that they have feelings and should be treated like people.
ghetto7o2azn
11-19-2005, 03:10 AM
So what makes a cow any less worthy of our sympathy? Just because it's one in a huge group, suddenly that lowers its importance?
i think the fact that from the time its born its life is planned out and is destined to die "suddenly" lowers its importance...
how many people are out there defending insect rights? exterminators kill millions even more every day... the truth is... they dont look "cute" and you dont have any sympathy for them... thats the only reason why there are even people for animal rights... you see an animal like a cow that reacts to pain similarly to humans and you feel sorry for it... and when you think of it, we kill bugs because they "bug" us maybe give us a little sting once in a while nothing more... big deal... at least we do something with the animals we kill
move to india or something if it matters to you so much
i think the fact that from the time its born its life is planned out and is destined to die "suddenly" lowers its importance...
how many people are out there defending insect rights? exterminators kill millions even more every day... the truth is... they dont look "cute" and you dont have any sympathy for them... thats the only reason why there are even people for animal rights... you see an animal like a cow that reacts to pain similarly to humans and you feel sorry for it... and when you think of it, we kill bugs because they "bug" us maybe give us a little sting once in a while nothing more... big deal... at least we do something with the animals we kill
move to india or something if it matters to you so much
TexasF355F1
11-19-2005, 09:03 AM
Like I said in your other thread...
I love animals...they're delicious.
O and I forgot... :banhim:
You know what's better than cow?
Bison. :biggrin:
I love animals...they're delicious.
O and I forgot... :banhim:
You know what's better than cow?
Bison. :biggrin:
2.2 Straight six
11-19-2005, 10:34 AM
Quit your bitchin'
that is all.
that is all.
Neutrino
11-19-2005, 11:27 AM
thread starter banned for spamming his website. This thread will also be closed for its clear inflamatory nature.
jon@af
11-19-2005, 01:25 PM
Meet your meat
It fuckin pisses me off when I show people this video and they don't even fuckin care. Like sure keep eating meat I don't care I just want you to see this video. But when you laugh it shows how much of a loser you are to laugh at pain and suffering. You think torture to those who cannot speak for themselves is ok? You're fucked.
"Pain is pain, and the importance of preventing unnecessary pain and suffering does not diminish because the being that suffers is not a member of our species. When non-vegetarians say that "human problems come first" I cannot help wondering what exactly it is that they are doing for human beings that compels them to continue to support the wasteful, ruthless exploitation of farm animals."
Check this out and have a fucking heart.
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=meet_your_meat
:lol2:
It fuckin pisses me off when I show people this video and they don't even fuckin care. Like sure keep eating meat I don't care I just want you to see this video. But when you laugh it shows how much of a loser you are to laugh at pain and suffering. You think torture to those who cannot speak for themselves is ok? You're fucked.
"Pain is pain, and the importance of preventing unnecessary pain and suffering does not diminish because the being that suffers is not a member of our species. When non-vegetarians say that "human problems come first" I cannot help wondering what exactly it is that they are doing for human beings that compels them to continue to support the wasteful, ruthless exploitation of farm animals."
Check this out and have a fucking heart.
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=meet_your_meat
:lol2:
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