Need reference from 2G GSX owners, please

Hey guys, unfortunately I don't own a DSM. This is probably a little out of the ordinary, but I'm a car modeler and I'm building a 2G GSX. I'm shooting for some serious detail, but I'm having trouble finding referenece pictures of certain areas. I have compiled about 3 pages worth of pictures, specs, and more pictures from various sites of build ups, tear downs, show offs, racers, and some from here. But I'm still in the dark about several things. Maybe a few of you could help me please? :uhoh: :grinno:

I need pictures of:
-undercarriage
-backside of engine (mounted on chassis)
-engine bay close ups (rigth and left fenderwells, firewall)
-transmission as seen from engine bay, close up (if you could tell where a couple of the things lead to, that would be awesome)
-rear differential

I also need pics or diagrams or even an explation of
-The basic electrical system how battery, alternator, starter solenoid, coil pack, etc)
-heater hose routing and other small coolant hoses
-the major vacuum lines
-where the MBC and BOV controls lead to
-if possible, brake line routing
-A/C line routing
-where does that large PS hose lead to? From pump, along side cam cover, toward the intake?

I have a few questions also:
-What exactly is DSM link? Is it something like a computer chip? Where do you install it on an Eclipse?
-where on the blocks do the oil lines for the turbo connect to (typically)?

I'm not asking that one person do all this. A couple pictures here and there. Maybe if your car is in the garage on the lift you could snap a couple pictures. Don't go out of your way too much :) Thank you very much, it is greatly appreciated.

Sorry to the moderator if this does not belong here at all, :disappoin I'm not sure where else I would ask

I can't help you much, but heres what I can do.

DSMlink information: www.dsmlink.com (http://www.dsmlink.com)

You might want to PM david_b. He is working on a program for the 4g63 that might help you with some of your questions. Right now he only has the 420A out, but is working on the 4g63 as we speak. His program is called DSM3D, and can be found here: www.dsm3d.com (http://www.dsm3d.com)

Hope this helps you somehow.

BTW, you won't be bothered by the mod about this thread. This is one of the reasons why this site is here.

Whoa! That is way cool! I will definately look into that, thanks for your help! Any idea when the 4G63 version will be out? Does it take long to download? I have dial up :disappoin

Thanks :biggrin:

Does it take long to download? I have dial up :disappoin


No it won't take that long. It's a relatively small program.

Hey guys, unfortunately I don't own a DSM. This is probably a little out of the ordinary, but I'm a car modeler and I'm building a 2G GSX. I'm shooting for some serious detail, but I'm having trouble finding referenece pictures of certain areas. I have compiled about 3 pages worth of pictures, specs, and more pictures from various sites of build ups, tear downs, show offs, racers, and some from here. But I'm still in the dark about several things. Maybe a few of you could help me please? :uhoh: :grinno:

I need pictures of:
-undercarriage
-backside of engine (mounted on chassis)
-engine bay close ups (rigth and left fenderwells, firewall)
-transmission as seen from engine bay, close up (if you could tell where a couple of the things lead to, that would be awesome)
-rear differential

I also need pics or diagrams or even an explation of
-The basic electrical system how battery, alternator, starter solenoid, coil pack, etc)
-heater hose routing and other small coolant hoses
-the major vacuum lines
-where the MBC and BOV controls lead to
-if possible, brake line routing
-A/C line routing
-where does that large PS hose lead to? From pump, along side cam cover, toward the intake?

I have a few questions also:
-What exactly is DSM link? Is it something like a computer chip? Where do you install it on an Eclipse?
-where on the blocks do the oil lines for the turbo connect to (typically)?

I'm not asking that one person do all this. A couple pictures here and there. Maybe if your car is in the garage on the lift you could snap a couple pictures. Don't go out of your way too much :) Thank you very much, it is greatly appreciated.

Sorry to the moderator if this does not belong here at all, :disappoin I'm not sure where else I would ask


I know if maybe you stick around for a while alot of us here will put up pics of our cars. Next time I have mine up on the lift which will be soon for turbo replacement, I'll gladly take pics of it. Mine is a gs-t but aside from the transmission is basicly the same car engine wise.

Hey, thanks defiancy! That would be great. If it isn't too much trouble, do you think you could run out sometime and trace the routing of a few things on my list? thanks

I might get the 420A version just to get used to the program. There is also a kit with the 420a motor, but it is badly represented, would need alot of modifying. Does this program include the transmission?

I'll try and get more pics up soon, these are all from alldatapro. First one is your basic wiring.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8205/wiring0cf.th.png (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wiring0cf.png)

Edit: Coolant Lines

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1162/wiring8dn.th.png (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wiring8dn.png)

Edit: Vacuum line routing to the various solenoids

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9449/wiring9bk.th.png (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wiring9bk.png)

Edit: A/C Line routing

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1704/wiring4if.th.png (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wiring4if.png)


Best i can do for now, i gotta get back to work.

Awesome! Thank you Josh! This will help A LOT! Can you access AllData online or do you need to buy the program?

I'm not completely understanding the vacuum line and solenoid diagram. I can identify some of the parts (C, I, J, F, G) but I'm not usre about the others (especially L and M). I know where most of the solenoids are on the firewall, but I couldn't name them without looking back at my reference. So are all of the interconnected with vacuum lines?

This is awesome, thanks a lot!

I realy want to see this model when you get it finished. It sounds like you're dedicating a lot of time to this project! Please post some pics when you're done.

Oh, trust me, I willl! :smokin: it wouldn't be fair to ask you guys to help me out and then not show you what I was doing! The kit does not come stock, it has a bodykit, removed back seats with a sound system and nitrous bottle, lots of chrome engine accessories, and more aftermarket style items. I want to build a sleeper version, make the stock body kit for it, but that will be at a later date. This one will be more on the wild side, but not ricey. It'll have some good go to it :naughty:

Maybe what I should do is work on the engine and then show pictures and maybe some of the members will be able to see what else "needs" to be there and what I'm missing.

Again, thanks fo all your help so far!

D leads to the EVAP purge solenoid. E leads to the EGR valve. L is hte EVAP vent solenoid. And M leads to the ABS hydraulic unit. They all operate on manifold vacuum.

Edit: The oil return and inlet lines come from the oil pan.

Ahhh... great, thanks! I'm going to try and squeeze a little building time in today, maybe I can show you some stuff....

How big is the model kit?

Oh, about 7-8 inches bumper to bumper. It's 1:24 scale.... You might check out the model car forum, under Automotive Art in the forum browser, and search for eclipse beacuse I know several people including me have done ones before. But I just really wanted to go all out on this one LOL

Little problem here: looks like one of my best resources just dried up. What happened to the origianl Tampa Bay DSM? I was using Jermey (no, Jeff? Something with a J..) Peterson's GS-T build up under the projects section. Now Tampa Bay DSM is a forum, I can't access the Peterson page...

Thanks again!

Sorry, no real progress yet, I just painted the turbo, but I went a little too heavy on the burnt iron, it looks too rusted, I need a little more black to it...

I have a question about the 16g turbo swap into these cars, specifically the IC piping. I am looking a one now http://www.turboeclipse.com/engine.html and from what I can tell the pipe from teh intake scroll to the IC runs all the way over towards teh MAF sensor, passes under the passengers side headlight, cuts back across behind the front bumper frame, and makes a U into the intercooler. Is there a shorter way to plumb that with out putting that pipe close to the turbo? I could make a heat shield or something I guess, but first I want to know what the shortest path is...
Or is it possible to "flip" the intake scroll upside down? Then run a J pipe to a pipe behind the radiator and U into the IC?

Yeah, I know, it's just plastic, but I really want this to be accurate. These are definately one of my favorite cars, and doing this kind of research is a great way for me to learn about them (I'm still in high school, LOL)

Thanks for your help and time! If anyone is sending their car to the shop or changing their oil anytime soon, bring that camera out with ya please :sunglasse thanks

I just painted the turbo, but I went a little too heavy on the burnt iron, it looks too rusted,

isn't that how they all look? just think of it as "incredible detail"

"..look guys, the turbo's even all rusted up!" haha:D

isn't that how they all look? just think of it as "incredible detail"

"..look guys, the turbo's even all rusted up!" haha:D
LOL :grinno: It dried and it doesn't look quite so rusty:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/daklunk/16g_maybe.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/daklunk/16g_maybe2.jpg
So is this about the size of a 16g, proportionally? And can I do the scroll switch like I was talking about to run less IC pipe? Please let me know!

Thanks for your help, Happy Thanksgiving! :biggrin:

LOL :grinno: It dried and it doesn't look quite so rusty:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/daklunk/16g_maybe.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/daklunk/16g_maybe2.jpg
So is this about the size of a 16g, proportionally? And can I do the scroll switch like I was talking about to run less IC pipe? Please let me know!

Thanks for your help, Happy Thanksgiving! :biggrin:


On a 16g there is going to be a j pipe that runs off the turbo into the turbo instead of the I/C running right into the turbo. I have my 16g out so I can take a picture of it real quick for you and post it back.


http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/defiancy3/PICT0035.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/defiancy3/PICT0036.jpg


I hope this helps.

Ooooo! They are a bit bigger than I thought!Hmmmm... can you unbolt the 2 halves, rotate them about 90 degrees and rebolt i back up or will it only work like this?

Umm, do these require an internal wastegate or can I run an aftermarket unit like a turbonetics off the manifold?

If I must run a J-pipe and have to keep an external wastegate, then that is just some more stuff to make LOL. It's all good.

Hey, if you are getting your 16g installed any time soon, could ya sneak in and take a couple pics for me? That'd be awesome! Thanks!

Ooooo! They are a bit bigger than I thought!Hmmmm... can you unbolt the 2 halves, rotate them about 90 degrees and rebolt i back up or will it only work like this?

Umm, do these require an internal wastegate or can I run an aftermarket unit like a turbonetics off the manifold?

If I must run a J-pipe and have to keep an external wastegate, then that is just some more stuff to make LOL. It's all good.

Hey, if you are getting your 16g installed any time soon, could ya sneak in and take a couple pics for me? That'd be awesome! Thanks!


See that gold round thing that is the wastegate. now if you are speaking as if you could run a turbo with an internal one. I assume you could as long as you had lines running to it.

For the 16g on a 2g you have to run a jpipe or else the I/c piping won't match up. Because the I/c piping runs on the opposite side of the turbo.

As far as I know this is the only way the j-pipe can go because of the way of the i/c piping. Tomorrow I have to jack my car up so I will get you some pictures of the intercooler piping on my stock t25 for reference.

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Also the bottom picture is what the turbo would look life it it was on the engine and you were standing infront of the car looking towards the car. The turbo intake will be on your left the cars right, as will your side mounted intercooler. It will be on the left side of you, or the right side of the car. Now if you are making a car with a FMIC(front mounted intercooler) then your piping is going to be completely different.

Yeah, I'm going with a big FMIC...

So the turbo can't be bolted up any other way?

And I thought that the gold thing was the wastegate actuator, and that when it was tripped, it pushed open the wastegate inside the turbo? Becasue there is the area where the dump tube connects and then there is something above that... Take a look at this link real quick: http://www.turboeclipse.com/engine.html
Is that how your 16g will route?

I've got lots of pics of t25 or 14b pipe routing, so I don't think I'll need pics of that. I will need some of the stuff in the list on my first post tho, like backside of the engine, undercarriage, suspension, and things like that (from the front page):

-undercarriage
-backside of engine (mounted on chassis)
-engine bay close ups (rigth and left fenderwells, firewall)
-transmission as seen from engine bay, close up (if you could tell where a couple of the things lead to, that would be awesome)
-rear differential

I also need pics or diagrams or even an explation of
-The basic electrical system how battery, alternator, starter solenoid, coil pack, etc)
-heater hose routing and other small coolant hoses
-the major vacuum lines
-if possible, brake line routing
-A/C line routing

If you can, please take as many as possible. I won't be here around for about 5 days, so I won't need it right away. But if you can get a bunch of pictures and then sketch a couple diagrams of routing, I would appreciate it A LOT! Thanks very much for your help, guys.

Thanks again!

Yeah, I'm going with a big FMIC...

So the turbo can't be bolted up any other way?

And I thought that the gold thing was the wastegate actuator, and that when it was tripped, it pushed open the wastegate inside the turbo? Becasue there is the area where the dump tube connects and then there is something above that... Take a look at this link real quick: http://www.turboeclipse.com/engine.html
Is that how your 16g will route?

I've got lots of pics of t25 or 14b pipe routing, so I don't think I'll need pics of that. I will need some of the stuff in the list on my first post tho, like backside of the engine, undercarriage, suspension, and things like that (from the front page):

-undercarriage
-backside of engine (mounted on chassis)
-engine bay close ups (rigth and left fenderwells, firewall)
-transmission as seen from engine bay, close up (if you could tell where a couple of the things lead to, that would be awesome)
-rear differential

I also need pics or diagrams or even an explation of
-The basic electrical system how battery, alternator, starter solenoid, coil pack, etc)
-heater hose routing and other small coolant hoses
-the major vacuum lines
-if possible, brake line routing
-A/C line routing

If you can, please take as many as possible. I won't be here around for about 5 days, so I won't need it right away. But if you can get a bunch of pictures and then sketch a couple diagrams of routing, I would appreciate it A LOT! Thanks very much for your help, guys.

Thanks again!


If you look at the bottom picture. It has to go like that. Granted the turbo is more canted on the engine than that. But the intake side of the intake has to be facing the left(cars right) because 1. there isn't an intake pipe or room for one on the right(cars left as you sit in the seat) 2. the turbo isn't designed to bolt up to the engine any other way.

I'll get what I can. I can't get you tranny pictures because mine is a GS-T you will need someone with a GSX to do that and the rear diferential. But everything else I'll try and get it for you


Also that guys engine bay looks like crap.

Also you are right that is the wastegate actuator, that's what I meant I just forgot the actuator part haha.

here some pictures of the wastegate

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/defiancy3/PICT0044.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/defiancy3/PICT0045.jpg

I think he means can the compressor housing be rotated so that the pipe faces down instead of up so it doesn't require the extra pipe. I've seen that done once but I never read anything about it. I always wondered why everyone doesn't do it.

Exactly Nayr. How 'bout it defiancy? Any luck? Hope it went well....

So will aftermarket wastegates for these be internal, necessarily, or can I use an external one (say, turbonetics) straight off the exhaust mani? Thanks.

Yeah, I really didn't like the looks of his engine bay, :disappoin but it was the only good pictures of a plumbed 16g I could rustle up :dunno: the valve cover looks hand painted? purple?!? LOL :screwy:

Umm, hello? Any luck with the turbo install?

Hey guys, I'm going to need those pics sometime soon. Winter break is coming and I'll finally have some time to build...

But I do have some more questions, these might not require pictures...

-Turbo Eclipses came from the factory with a sunroof, right?
-What material is the gas tank made of and what color is it?
-Is the underbody painted the color of the car, and then the suspension and subframes are black?

Umm, I think that's it for now. Please help, don't leave me hangin' LOL. I need some pics.

Thanks!

Here are some pics of the underside of my car. It looks like it is painted the color of the car, at least some of it. I have many gigabytes of DSM pics but they're all on my pc. If you have Limewire I could try and give you my name or something and you could get all the pics in the files. What exactly do you need pics of?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/Nayr747/IMG_0195.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/Nayr747/IMG_0194b.jpg

Edit: Found a good pic of the tranny/engine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/Nayr747/ResizeofDSC01227.jpg

Ahhh! Pictures! Much better, thank you nayr! No, I don't have Limewire, but I do have email, just click the email button in my post. I have dial up, so maybe like five pictures at a time or something, if possible...

OK, this is my revised list, I'm in need of:
-head on shot of undercarriage (like on a lift or something)
-transfer case and rear differential
-front and rear suspension (looking up at it from below, and also through the wheel well/wheel)
-looking up at front and backside of engine from underside of car
-close up of the PS/AC/ABS area and firewall closeup
-16g pipe routing (and the answers to the questions in previous posts in this topic)
-under dash (drivers side)

Then there are some things that I need like diagrams and such, or a point-by-point explanation of the location(s):
-trace of AC components
-trace of ignition system
-I know I'm forgetting something...

Any of these you can send me would be great! I just ordered the Chilton's repair manual through the local library, so if you know that there are good pics of any of my items in there, don't worry about them. Thanks for your pics and your time!

BTW, nice ride :biggrin: Is the engine installation complete? I'm hoping that the 1G (6 bolt GSX!!!) at the local yard turns out to be better than 180k miles suggests... asking price: $2k....

Well, I found some stuff on the interenet (on online repair manual, Chilton's) that had a bunch of exploded diagrams and stuff. But, dang, I was hoping someone was going to help me with some real pictures... [banghead]