1/12th scale Pro Touring '69 Camaro

well here we go. As if I don't have enough major projects on my hands...lets throw one more on the fire. I got this along with my 06 mustang, and I just can't leave well enough alone. This will be done pro touring style.

Paint, will be two tone (as of right now) a base of PPG sunset metallic, with pearl white. I've removed all of the badges so far. I plan on changing all of the marker lights, they will be oval instead of round. All door handles and locks will remain in-tact. The chin spoiler will be done in CF.

Wheels: The plan right now is to create my own 18" wheels. If you have the current issue of hot rod magazine with the crate camaro, I am thinking something along the lines of the budnik hammer series wheels. I might find someone to machine the outer wheel, and then create resin centers.

Engine: It will follow typical white97ex style, some sort of forced induction or nitrous. I would love to do twin turbos but sourcing materials might prove to be the demise of that route. same with a centrifugal blower......possibly a roots low profile? who knows.

Trans: You can see in the pictures that I have a scratchbuilt transmission in the works. Inspiration a-la GTMike400. only I am going with a T-56 6 speed trans.

Interior: I plan to update the interior...if my steam doesn't run out by the time that I reach that stage. I am planning at this point to make some corbeau or some other style of bucket seats...possible even corvette type buckets, as that is what I would put in the car if I were building it 1:1.

If I manage to get my resin casting skills up to par, there might also be some resin casts of things like the seats and the transmission and such.......stay tuned for more!!!!

comments and criticisms please

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will be watching this thread!
also what does pro touring mean? have turbos or superchargers?

will be watching this thread!
also what does pro touring mean? have turbos or superchargers?

Pro Touring is LOOSELY defined as a muscle car that is built to hang with modern sports cars in terms of ride, braking and handling. Unfortunately for some people that means a stock Camaro with 20" chrome wheels and nothing else. But the idea is to make a classic muscle car run like a late model sports car. You can see lots of examples at http://www.popularhotrodding.comhttp://www.popularhotrodding.com

the goal of a pro touring ride or g-machine, is to pull a full lateral G on the skid pad

Nice start. Is gonna be a COOL project!!! Keep us updated!!!!

the goal of a pro touring ride or g-machine, is to pull a full lateral G on the skid pad

Well I don't think it has to be that. There are lots of sports cars that handle well that don't pull 1 G, and lots pro-touring cars that don't either. :p

You're going to make rims yourself but you're having trouble sourcing turbos or centrifugal superchargers?

You're going to make rims yourself but you're having trouble sourcing turbos or centrifugal superchargers?

:biggrin: Wheel centers are easy. lol. It just depends on whether I can come up with something suitable for the turbine and exhaust sections...only time will tell

http://www.imbalancechemical.com/lucky13/pics.asp?gallery_id=76&catid=4

I don't know how many times I've linked that guy's page here. He builds awfully impressive turbines, and I did a little bit of modification to his supercharger technique for my own TT 69 Camaro.

I've done several scratchbuilt turbos....in 1:24. Its a matter of finding something easy enough to build them in 1/12th scale

Whoops! Didn't realize it was 1:12. There's bound to be something out there you can use. Go wander around Home Depot :biggrin: This is gonna be even sweeter than I first thought.

lol.....I might be able to get by with some thin wall copper tubing..if I can find it in the right size....but that is a little ways down the road...I've been working on a few body mods

Got a little more done on the tranny. the main body is copmlete. all that is left now is the tail shaft. and then all of the ribbing and details. I'm seriously considering scratchbuilding an LS1 for this beast......Since this is going to be my dream car in scale......but time will tell. Also did some of the body mods. I opened up the marker lights and they will all be flush with the body. I never liked the "Gills" in front of the rear wheels, so I decided to do it HOT ROD 1 style. I opened them up and made functional scoops. I will be ordering some cobra colors primer tomorrow. So hopefully in then next couple weeks this body will see some paint.....I need to find a paint code first though...that could prove to be a bear....well on to the pics

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I began drawings for the LS1 yesterday. Hopefully if all goes well I'll have some progress to show tonight or tomorrow. Im thinking of offering an LS1/6-speed combo for these cars......anyone interested?

the goal of a pro touring ride or g-machine, is to pull a full lateral G on the skid pad

The goal of a PT car is to handle better, get better gas mileage, and be more comfortable - hence the "touring" part. A G-machine is different, and a bit more on the extreme side. This doesn't mean huge nitrous bottles, 20" speakers and/or 26" wheels. In fact, the biggest wheels I've seen on a true PT car were 19's; most have 18's in the back.

Some good sites:

www.pro-touring.com (http://www.pro-touring.com)

www.lateral-g.net (http://www.lateral-g.net)

Looks like a promising start, we'll see how far you can take this monster!

(Don't be a me and get in over your head)

not a whole lot going on with this. I started priming the body. I got the engine roughed out. I need some 3/8ths styrene tubing for the sleeves. on the LSX motors you can see the indentions for the sleeves in the block.......enjoy

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oh cool, White97ex. will be following this one closely for sure. the tranny is really intriguing, cant wait to see how it turns out. awesome that you are tackling the block also, always wanted to try this.

oh cool, White97ex. will be following this one closely for sure.

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Looking great so far. I am really excited to see this one. How are you going to do the two-tone paint job? Are you going to do stripes?

im not sure. If I get around to it, I will post the sketches that I did. they would call for some major sugery. they are more like the modern concepts of possible next gen camaro's. I am still kicking around ideas for paint. I've considered a solid color, with painted hockey stripes....not sure though.

Motion stripes

do it

motion stripes?

I second that...it would look wicked with some motion stripes on it. Keep up with the pics....cant wait to see more.


I found a link that will give you the basic idea of the baldwin motion strip package

http://cgi.ebay.com/1969-camaro-baldwin-motion-1-18-ertl-american-muscle_W0QQitemZ6991418264QQcategoryZ47188QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

Motion stripes

do it

Motion stripes......mmmmmm. :bigthumb:

im not a big fan of the stripe down the middle ending there in the rear.......I loke the hockey sticks though....only time will tell..I need to fire up my scanner and scan in my sketches.....damn tests and finals coming up.

You mentioned turbos. A thought occured to me: motorcycle 1/12 kits! I had some parts from an old bike kit that was turbocharged. Threw it out a while ago, can't remember what the bike was other than being able to recall that it was a Honda of some sort. Hope this helps.

You mentioned turbos. A thought occured to me: motorcycle 1/12 kits! I had some parts from an old bike kit that was turbocharged. Threw it out a while ago, can't remember what the bike was other than being able to recall that it was a Honda of some sort. Hope this helps.


it might. I plan on scratchbuilding them at the moment. the smaller tamiya bike kits are $30+ I can only imagine how much a 1/12 would be. Plus I would imagine the turbos would be too small.

Well, here is what I've got so far. The block needs a lot of clean up around the sides where I used superglue to get the look I was after. I've also roughed out the cylinder head. All it needs is the ends capped off, and the exhaust port details and plug holes done and it will be ready to cast. I'll make a "perfect" peice, then make a mold and cast 2 identical peices. The only thing that worries me thus far, is the shot of the head sitting atop the engine. It just doesn't look right. The first couple of shots are the engine that comes in the kit. it has a scratchbuild bellhousing. Well the beginnings of one. As I had originally planned on constructing the T-56 and attaching it to that engine.

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Lookin good...I just spent a few hours with the Chevelle...wheels and brakes are all she needs. I'm so behind.

I picked up the motor city muscle ss camaro and the firebird.....they just keep piling up. lol. They will be OOB builds. Just some different paint. and some torque thrusts on the firebird. I need to start clearing some of these things out. lol

alright. I spent some time last night and this morning working on the heads. I realized that I had missed several details that are needed for it to be accurate when I roughed the head out. The intake runner area cannot be flat, for the intake that I plan to use for this. Hopefully I will be able to create a suitable LSx intake manifold for the resin copies. But I plan on running a sheet metal type intake for the twin turbo set up. So I will spend my time today, what little I can manage to find, working on the intake side of the head. The exhaust side is looking pretty good. It needs some clean up though. Let me know what you think

The first picture is the head that I am using for reference.

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the bad thing about pictures is that it points out all of the flaws you missed. lol

Well, I started re-working the head. There was too much super glue used to fill in the gaps. So, I took what I learned from the first peice and started applying it to the new peice. It will be more accurate from all angles. Also I started drawing the wheels. I picked up the most recent PHR with the 'cuda in it. I really like the wheels that are on in it. So that is what I scaled down to 1:12th scale. I am open to suggestions on wheels though. If you think these will or wont look good, chime in and say so. Oh for the color I am leaning toward sunset orange metallic, however, that is not set in stone yet. On to the pictures.

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Alright. A little update for you guys. I showed the picture of the wheel. I sketched it out in versions from 17" to 19" I'm leaning toward a 19"x11" out back and an 18"x8.5" up front. In the sketch, the drawings are completely to scale. Not sure how they came out in the scan. I also scanned in the "disc" that is the wheel right now. You can see how I went about laying out the design. Enjoy. (I'm off to take some pictures for the Artwork page on lateral-g.net . Its also a great day to paint here in TX.)

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sorry about the scrolling from side to side. I hate when I have to do that. But unfortunately it is necessary to get the scan to show full size. Comments please?

looking forward to see what you come up with. really interesting to see stuff on paper turned into real parts. i will be paying attention to those rims. keep up the good work.

I realized when I made the master for the first part of the molding process that I used my thin styrene.

Here is the process that I am using. I drew it out on a disc as you see above. I then cut the hole out of one of the 5 pie shapes. Then I cut out that one piece. I made a mold of that peice and cast 5 copies that gives me 5 identical sections to complete the wheel. I then assemble the 5 peices and make a new mold and cast the wheel as a whole. There are some intermediate steps. There are some raised sections. Mainly running down the center of each spoke. I opted to include those peices before final assembly. It will be easier to modify each side of the wedges to accept the aluminum tubing I will use for the raised sections, than to try and cut out the slots in the styrene and attach the tubing.

Back to using the thin styrene. Well, this is going to be a big model, which will have a good bit of weight. I also want it to look as REAL as possible. Well lets face it .030 styrene, or resin casts will not have the support needed or the scale realism on this thing. So I will have to cast 15-20 of these wedges to complete the wheel. But it happens. I have attempted this method before (using 5 peices lol) and the master was a little off but it was in 1:24/1:25 scale. I have 3 of the 5 wedges so far. I compared them to the disc that I sketched and they appear to be spot on.

Hopefully I'll get a chance to get all of the wedges cast over the next couple of days. Expect to see a lot of progress show up on this thing in the coming weeks, as I am approaching spring break. I also plan on picking up some more RTV.

finally managed to get 5 peices of the wheel cast. And, as bad as it is to say this, much to my surprise, its perfect! I'll get some pictures up possibly this morning, if not as soon as possible.

Here ya go! I laid it out on a piece of masking tape so that the sections would hold together while I checked fit. One of the sections has not been cleaned up yet, as there is still a film of resin in the opening. Enjoy.

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well, I had the wheel doubled and assembled. I also got the raised portions attached. I was getting ready to take some pictures, when I realized that Some of the pieces were in upside down. Didn't change the geometry of the wheel. But it did change the proportions in certain areas. Hopefully I can get a good picture up tonight. I dipped the wheel in some water and its in the freezer right now. Hoping that breaks the bonds

Alright. Finally a little eye candy for you guys in the way of wheels. I was not able to disassemble the old wheel. So it ended up in the garbage. I do however, now have a completely assembled wheel. It needs a little clean up and some tweaking along with a little more thickening before it is ready to be cast. I've got an Atomic Physics test on Friday, so I wont have a finished product until this weekend or early next week. I am calling alumilite today to get an RTV kit. Hopefully It will be here by the time that I am ready to mold the wheel. It will also give me some motivation to get the head completed, as I am going to cast it as well so that I don't have to try and duplicate the design. On to the pictures. Let me know what you think!


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Anyone following this thing? If so I've got some more progress to share. It will be slow for the rest of the week. I have an atomic test on friday, and a discrete test tomorrow.

Here is what I've finished. I sectioned and reshaped the bumper a bit. I don't like to have the bumper wrap around the car. So I sectioned it and re-shaped the back side a little to allow it to mount in a slightly different location. The drip rails have also been removed for a bit cleaner look. I am still on the fence with the door handles and locks. Not sure If I want to shave them or not. I got my RTV silicone ordered today as well. There are two big steps that are coming up. I've got to create some outer rings for the wheels. I think that I have it figured out, we will see how that works out next week. The suspension is also going to be a BIG challenge (if anyone has some in progress pics of a 3 or 4 link rear suspension on a first gen camaro, also front suspension feel free to share!). Finally I need to make some more progress on the engine. Having the RTV should motivate me enough to get back to work on the heads. Enough rambling, and on to the pictures.

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Nice work. I like the scratch work on the engine. Keep it up.

It has slowed significantly. I am really happy with the progress thus far though. I am working closely with some people on lateral-g.net getting reference pictures and what not. I want this thing to be as accurate as possible.

A little update for anyone still following this build. I got the holes drilled for the lug bolts. The wheel will be 3 parts. The outer ring, the wheel center, and then the hub mount. They holes for the lug bolts are overdrilled. The holes that will be drilled in the hub mount will be smaller for the actual lug bolts. My RTV showed up yesterday so once I get the wheel cleaned up it will be cast, along with the sectioned rear bumper. Anyone interested in the bumper let me know and we might be able to work something out.

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alas, the wheels are finally finished. well the centers anyway. I got the mold done finally and have some successful casts. They will require some clean up but overall I am happy with them. I also think that I have found a solution for the sleeves. After all is said and done, they will scale out to 20" wheels. A bit larger than I had hoped for. I didn't realize it until it was too late. More often than not on these cars, a size bigger usually looks just right. On to the pictures

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anyone interested in a set of these wheels, shoot me a pm. Right now the sleeves are not included.

hmm...no comments no criticism?

looking good man. I like that rear bumper. cant wait to see those wheels together. HArd to tell what they look like for sure, but it looks like a good start

I'll try and get some better pictures

alright guys. How about some 15" Baer Brake Rotors. I know, I know, 15 inches is quite overkill. But I needed something to fill up the wheels. lol let me know what you think The rotor will be a two peice design. The bottom piece which you see here, is the back of the rotor and the "vents" and then there will be a top piece will be drilled to match the bottom piece.

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Wow, impressive! Are the rotors going to be individually made or will you somehow cast them?

they will be cast in resin. That way each one is identical....plus that was a lot of work to repeat 4 times.

wow great job on those rotors. cant wait to see those all done. I can see you having lots of requests for your cool parts

Alright, I managed a little break in my school work. I got started on the new subframe. Did a little work on the hub mount for the wheels. And I've progressed on the engine. I am much happier with this version than the last. I have found some decent block shots of an LSX. I sent a set of wheels to Sweden to have some sleeves machined, Hopefully those will be back in the next month or two. No rush though Fredrik. Comments are more than wlecome!

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great work!!!!! i love how it looks so far keep up the awesome work :)

are we looking at the face of the wheel or the back of it?

looking Great!!:sunglasse

Impressive Work you've done. Ill be keeping an eye out for progress. thanks for sharing

Thanks for the comments. That is the face of the wheel. If you are state side, and keep up with Popular Hot Rodding Magazine, that is a similar design to the wheels on the Cuda that was on the newsstand cover last month. DukeMan is working on machining me some sleeves. Once they arrive, I will begin creating the tires, with the help of GTMike400.

I've only got about 3 or 4 weeks of class left, once it lets out, expect to see some real progress on this.

Hey this is looking very awesome so far. I can't wait until you get more time to work on it.

Hey this is looking very awesome so far. I can't wait until you get more time to work on it.

You and me both. The block Is getting REALLY close to where I want it. There are a few imperfections. I was planning on casting and selling copies. But I'm not sure how good the finished product is going to look. I've also got to rethink my method for creating the heads. The subframe wont progress much further until I get the wheels, and figure out the suspension. I want to make sure everything clears the ground. I was looking at my T-56 last night, and got to thinking that It wasn't quite right. I need to spend some time looking for some new pictures and with new measurements to double check and make sure that it is correct before I spend anymore time on it.

Color. I am thinking two tone with sunset orange pearl (think late model F-body) and black.