Some nice pictures from Supercarfrance.com

may be old, may be new, i dunno

http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img22906op.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img22911ap.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img22920lb.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img22950qj.jpg

i have seen one of them before, and i love the 1st and 2nd pictures

Great photos... :sunglasse

I guess there are only two possibilities for M66 MCL now. We have a handle on #10R, #11R, #12R, #13R, #16R, #17R, #18R for the most part. GTR #14R and GTR #15R are the two '96 GTR chassis that are basically unaccounted for.

I've seen photo evidence that suggests the 2 '96 Gulf GTRs are still out there wearing Blue/Orange, which would tend to eliminate #15R from the running here.

We know that #14R had a bad crash in 1996 in the Japan GT series, but McLaren's are extremely valuable, so they are worth putting back together in all but the most extreme cases. I wonder if this Papaya GTR could be #14R afterall. Hmmm...

And to add a bit of twist to my theories, I wonder if these two cars could belong to the Ojjehs? It certainly makes sense that they would be in Monaco on a race weekend which is where/when these shots were reportedly taken.

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And to add a bit of twist to my theories, I wonder if these two cars could belong to the Ojjehs? It certainly makes sense that they would be in Monaco on a race weekend which is where/when these shots were reportedly taken.


I've heard somone elses name relating to these cars. I cannot reveal who but if my source is right, its not the Ojjeh's. Does anyone know how many cars the Ojjeh's had/have? We know 011 and the orange car (can't remember chassis #, i'm at school). Can anyone confirm if they bought any others?

PS just found anther cool picture on there, any ideas to the chassis # on this one?

http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img22822no.jpg

Wow! I've never even seen that car before that I know of. That color is awesome!!

If the paint is original, these would be my two guesses:

046 1995, 39th car built, Genesis Blue Metallic

048 1996, 44th car built, Brilliant Metallic Blue

And I'm leaning more towards 048 in this case.


There's also this chassis:

036 1995, 30th car built, Pale Blue Metallic

...but I suspect that is more than likely the car on the right in this shot:

http://k5mcl.smugmug.com/photos/38557634-O.jpg

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Peloton,
I was thinking it's more likely to be the car that TVRfreak saw at the factory, before it had the HDF kit put on. Couldn't that be another possibility?

That was chassis #011, and this is a shot of it prior to the blue respray:

http://www.centralcoastweb.com/nsxb/media/pics/mclaren/img174.JPG

One unique feature of #011's HDF Kit was the silver "F1" logo on the wing end plate which can also be seen in that shot.

There were some other photos taken showing #011 in it's carbon paint and HDF Kit together with chassis #073. I don't have them handy, but there were just one or two that made it here.

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Oh man, 011 looks so plain in that shot, at least in comparison to the blue colour it eventually got. I wonder if this car was the inspiration. It looks like the same mid blue on a silver base. Just lovely.

Thanks for the info.

I had read that the inspiration for that color had come from the face of this watch, but maybe the same is true for both as the colors are rather similar.

http://i8.ebayimg.com/04/i/05/45/98/d9_1.JPG http://i11.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/3e/94/97_1.JPG
http://i6.ebayimg.com/01/i/05/62/51/ba_1.JPG http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/62/a1/17_1.JPG

Sorry for the crappy Ebay photos.

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I've heard somone elses name relating to these cars. I cannot reveal who but if my source is right, its not the Ojjeh's. Does anyone know how many cars the Ojjeh's had/have? We know 011 and the orange car (can't remember chassis #, i'm at school). Can anyone confirm if they bought any others?

#073 is the one you can't remember. #075 went to Aziz.

Remember too, that the new owner of #068 told me that Mansour said he has 3 now. Which 3 I do not know, but I'd consider him a credible source.

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Hurstg01, thanks for linking us those pictures, especially the one of the blue F1. Quite like the colour of it too! Looks really sharp that way.

Pretty cool we have some graphics on an unknown F1. Now all we need to find out is where it has been these past few years :D

And if Mansour has those 3....Imagine....you walk into the kitchen in the morning, pour yourself a cuppa and open the door towards the garage. There they are, your three F1's, standing together, making for a surreal picture in your own garage. You smile, take another zip and go and fetch the newspaper. Enough F1 for today.....

ARRGGHH, why don't we see more of these beauties? I really cannot believe it. :(

/Bucciali

Thanks. Yes, 011 was matched to a watch face

Wow, that GTR looks a hell of a lot like an LM. The low front scoops even match. The only thing that really gives it away is the arrangement of the nose intake, and perhaps the bottom edge of the sides.

And that blue F1 shot is INCREDIBLE! The color is gorgeous. That might be my new favorite F1 color. Very good find. :cheers:

A few other details seen in those photos exclude it from being an LM. There is a small vent on the left side compartment door which wouldn't be there if it was an LM. The side skirts are incorrect for an LM. The LMs have a skirt that runs from front to back and hangs down flush from the bodywork. This car has the half-skirt with what I call 'wings' extending from the sides. It also has the tiny rear wheel arch extensions which wouldn't be seen on an LM. The driver's seat is also wrong for an LM. We've seen photos of this car before which clearly showed the GTR badge on the back, but you can't see that in these shots.

And if Mansour has those 3....

Just to clarify - I wasn't suggesting that this new blue car was Mansour's. I was only referring to that possibility on the first two cars - R66 MCL and M66 MCL. I was told he has 3 though, but which 3 exactly remains a mystery for now.

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WAIT! You said you had 2 pics of 011 and 075 together before its repaint. Do you mean 073? The pic of 2 cars, both with HD kits?

I didn't say #011 and #075 - I did in fact say #073. As I recall, cabrio92 posted them for us. At the time, I believe we thought the carbon car with the red stripe was #020, but I don't think that's true any longer.

Here's the link to that thread:

Another pair of McLaren yet ! But which ones ;-) (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=243723)

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You're right. My bad. Those were the pics i was thinking of

There's one more picture from that series showing the passenger side of #011 and you can clearly see the "F1" in silver on the wing endplate. It's not in that thread, so I will post it later.

That's the shot that finally made me realize it was not #020. It made a lot more sense when I put it all together too. :thinkerg:

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Do you have this one?

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8864/b55d9461504rk.th.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=b55d9461504rk.jpg)

That's the one I was referring to, but for some reason I think the copy I have is larger as I recall being able to see the logo on the endplate which doesn't seem visible in your version. Hmmm...

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Wow! I've never even seen that car before that I know of. That color is awesome!!

If the paint is original, these would be my two guesses:

046 1995, 39th car built, Genesis Blue Metallic

048 1996, 44th car built, Brilliant Metallic Blue

And I'm leaning more towards 048 in this case.


There's also this chassis:

036 1995, 30th car built, Pale Blue Metallic

...but I suspect that is more than likely the car on the right in this shot:


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It actually looks a lot like Porsche's Cobalt Blue. That means it could also be 008 - The car once owned by Tomas Bscher....unless you know that not to be the case of course. Great photo by the way.

Well, a few things on that. I have speculated in that past that Bscher's car could have been #008, but that's simply a guess. My experience with Cobalt Blue is that it is a very dark blue, not bright like this one. I would assume Bscher got an early F1, so I'm putting two and two together to make that assumption on his chassis number. I also don't know one way or the other if he still has his road car or any GTRs. I do think an F1 would have come in handy during the development of the Veyron, so he may still have one or two.

I have two color photos of his car (only one in digital form) and they prove to me that his F1 is not that this blue car pictured in Cannes, as his car is/was definitely much darker. In this photo it looks black, but the other shot more clearly shows it to be a deep shade of blue.

http://a8.cpimg.com/image/D2/C4/53772498-1573-018D01EA-.jpg

It also looks like his plate says "KITT" (it doesn't) but if it did, that would also add futher proof to the theory that "Germans Love David Hasselhoff" :lol:

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It also looks like his plate says "KITT" (it doesn't) but if it did, that would also add futher proof to the theory that "Germans Love David Hasselhoff"

Dude thats friggin funny, the best thing that I have herd in a loong time... :rofl:

I'm glad someone got that joke. :thumbsup:

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Ok - apparently I was wrong about Cobalt Blue being a dark color. Where do I come up with these things?!? :screwy: This throws my theory of Bscher's F1 being #008 into a unrecoverable tailspin, bringing it crashing to the ground. :redface:

This is Porsche's Cobalt Blue:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/temp/2.jpg

To me that color looks quite similar to the photo of this new F1 (imagine it in the sunlight), so maybe that is #008 afterall. :dunno:

Of course that now leaves question as to which car Bscher's would really be - there's only a few other early blue cars to choose from - #018 (nope) , #022 (actually a possibility in my mind), #046, and #052. I'll have to look and see what issue of AutoCar the "Commuting at 220mph" article was printed in. If it was before 1996, that would rule out chassis #052 - before 1995 or even early 1995 would rule out chassis #046.

We'll get it right eventually.

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New pics have been posted. Including pics of R66 MCL before its refit

New pics have been posted. Including pics of R66 MCL before its refit
http://img55.imageshack.us/full.php?image=img2427edited5lx.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2428edited1ys.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2435edited3zs.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2432edited5pf.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2429edited2en.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2424edited6yu.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2423edited0vd.jpg

:smile: :smile:

Hello,

incredibles pics of Miura1 and Phil75 I assume ! A good base to work Erik ;)

Phil

http://img55.imageshack.us/full.php?image=img2427edited5lx.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2428edited1ys.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2435edited3zs.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2432edited5pf.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2429edited2en.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2424edited6yu.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2423edited0vd.jpg

:smile: :smile:

what the deuce is up with the headlights on silver version? ugly...

Well, they are HID's but i can't understand why the actual "lenses" (glass covering the lights) are smaller.

i see the hid conversion, but i cant figure out why the projector housing is so big and why the high beam is square... why isnt the hid coversion done like this:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/FortuneF1/f1_roadcar_red_18.jpg
much better looking and stock looking projector housing...

I suspect that the ballast housing behind the light is "deeper" and would have been visible from the top. To avoid this unfinished look, they extended the painted part. Just a guess.

That's certainly a plausible explanation. This may have also been the first F1 fitted with HIDs since it appears it has had them since the beginning, so maybe the cleaner design wasn't developed yet.

Another piece of evidence that might tie this car to someone close with McLaren Cars is that this F1 was featured in an issue of RacingLine Magazine. It had the HDF Kit fitted at that time though.

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