How slow is your accorrd??

I want to know why nobody really tries to make accords fast??? I mean people race pintos for goodness sake why can't we make a fast accord?? and with out doing motor swaps thats the easy way out!! in other words cheating!!:D

I want a clean look because that gets more attention than a fast car. A fast car certainly does get attention, but not unless your racing. A clean looking car gets attention all the time when you're out drivin and cruisin around. And a fast car will get you in trouble. I don't care how many radar dectectors you have you're still gonna get caught; it's just a matter of time. At 100 MPH, you are traveling 146 FEET PER SECOND. If someone pulls out in front of you 500 feet away, you have less than 5 seconds to react and slow down. You better have some damn good brakes.

Originally posted by 93speed
I want a clean look because that gets more attention than a fast car. A fast car certainly does get attention, but not unless your racing. A clean looking car gets attention all the time when you're out drivin and cruisin around. And a fast car will get you in trouble. I don't care how many radar dectectors you have you're still gonna get caught; it's just a matter of time. At 100 MPH, you are traveling 146 FEET PER SECOND. If someone pulls out in front of you 500 feet away, you have less than 5 seconds to react and slow down. You better have some damn good brakes.


you need some balls to back up all the atention you are getting.

i agree with 93speed. i got a 91 accord because it looks nice(especially for how old it is). not to mention i didnt have alot to spend, and ANY other older car, imo, looks like a literal box on wheels. its possible to make an accord faster, but not fast when compared to many car out there used for racing. i know someone with a h22 w/turbo, but still gets smoked by my friends integra-r.

overall i think of accords as show cars. if you seriously want to be able to compete with cars other than accords, youll probably need to take off as much weight as possible and of course get a swap with some sort of forced induction.

but then again, wtf do i know:D my ride is pretty much stock, but it gets me to work.

Originally posted by Got Boost?

you need some balls to back up all the atention you are getting.

If I want a fast car, I will go out and buy a supra or something that was made to go fast. I like how clean Accords look. If somebody wants to race, I'll let them look like a jack-ass and get a ticket. Call me a pussy, but all the money wasted on tickets could be used for something useful.

with 93speed.
I've spent about $1000 on ticket i've gotten..
and im just about to turn 18...
i could have done alot with that money i wasted..

You freakin morons you deserve the ticket if your racing on the street!! I was talking about a race car accord for the strip!!!:rolleyes: "its possible to make an accord faster" We will see about that in the near future.... as for motor swaps if you have to swap the motor in your car to make it faster you obviously don't know any thing about speed or how to make a car faster...

Originally posted by ShockJon
"its possible to make an accord faster" as for motor swaps if you have to swap the motor in your car to make it faster you obviously don't know any thing about speed or how to make a car faster...

Well some of us actually have miles on our cars.....168,000 for me. You want to slap a turbo or Nitrous on that? Good-bye engine.

Originally posted by 93speed


Well some of us actually have miles on our cars.....168,000 for me. You want to slap a turbo or Nitrous on that? Good-bye engine.

rebuild or swap the engine

Originally posted by ShockJon
You freakin morons you deserve the ticket if your racing on the street!! I was talking about a race car accord for the strip!!!:rolleyes: "its possible to make an accord faster" We will see about that in the near future.... as for motor swaps if you have to swap the motor in your car to make it faster you obviously don't know any thing about speed or how to make a car faster...
what can you do to an accord without swapping, and be able to compete?

I will bet you that I can have around 200 to 225 hp AT THE WHEELS by the end of the year and spend less money than you will spend on a motor swap!!! Then I will add the N2O which will put me over 300 at the wheels on the shot!!! And yes this is all with the factory 2.2L accord motor!!! I just like every body else need a little time to come up with the money... I am going for mid 12's "yes in the 1/4 for the smarties out there:silly2: " with full interior!!! We will see thats all I can say.. I know a lot of people talk a lot of BS about there cars but I am trying my best to be serious here.... I have some friends at a performance shop around here and they are ready to do it Just as soon as I get the money it is not far fetched.... I just think it is rediculous to go through all that trouble with a motor swap when you have one that WILL work perfectly fine... Oh by the way I am at 155K on the speedo.... ;)

And its a automatic for those who don't already know! :toothless

Take this how you want to, but I'll believe it when I see it.....:apoke:

all this looks and sounds good. i am really enjoying the debates on the accords it makes me happy to see ppl that love their cars.

now i do somewhat disagree on a lot of the thngs that have been said here. i have a 90' accord with a f22b DOHC in it and yes i said DOHC with a t3/t4 hybrid turbo slapped on that bad boy. i make roughly 215-225 at the wheel when i drive with the option to run around 275-300 when i up the boost, now on a mostly street car that is INSANE and i know that but i love the idea, this all has costed me somewhere in the range of $2,500, and i do have nitrous to spool up my turbo so that i avoid turbo lag. now this is all nice and fun but i wanna know how u shockjon can say that....as for motor swaps if you have to swap the motor in your car to make it faster you obviously don't know any thing about speed or how to make a car faster????? lemme know

Originally posted by ShockJon
I will bet you that I can have around 200 to 225 hp AT THE WHEELS by the end of the year and spend less money than you will spend on a motor swap!!!
if thats possible thatd be awsome!!! but no offense, you seem to be talking a bunch of "beating around the bush" nonsense. as an accord owner and fan... what can be done to a stock engine, and run 12's???

btw, i was reading through a c&d magazine. and from what your saying, you want a time comparable with a viper srt-10???(being that its has a 12sec 1/4)

i would say my car is clealy modified....
its fast enough for me....well until i get behind the wheel of my dream car, my friends '99 BMW 323i. but i am happy just trading cars with him once and a while, otherwise i would be in trouble :)

ok first of all have you stock motor owners ever looked at your compression ratio?? it is 8.8:1 that is very low... So the first thing is 10.2:1 forged aluminum pistons which with higher compression you have instant HP.... Now you hook the pistons up to a forged aluminum rod... notice every thing is forged ALUMINUM which in turn is lighter which in turn revs quicker..... now you send off the SINGLE cam and have it hard faced by CROWER for race purposes which is more HP... Am I going too fast for you??? now you have the tranny rebuilt with the level 10 kit which will put your power loss down to like 12% WHich in turn is more HP!!! not with the forged aluminum rods and pistons you are able to run up to 150 shot of N2O SAFELY.... which the last time I checked 150 plus 150 equals 300... now I haven't even got the the port and polish, flow matching the head for exaust and intake, header, exaust, and of course the air fuel fuel controller... oh yeah cam gear too.... now then if you can't get 300 Hp out of that my friends you can't add... I have already priced all this I CAN do it cheaper than the H22 and I will have 0 miles on my motor!!! oh and a light weight flywheel but I am not counting that in the price or the torque converter built buy level 10 or the tranny controller cause all that is just bonus stuff that will put me over the edge...

And you were talking about the hassle of a h22 swap :confused: From what I understand its plug and play; not tearing the damn engine apart.

All of this looks good on paper, but they also say an intake adds 15 HP which we all know is advertising BS.

Be sure to post the results of your dyno run. I'm curious to see just how much you get out of it.

Oh I almost forgot, have fun :smoka:

"plug and play" The only person that I actually know that has done a H22 swap round here had some problems with his wiring harneses and stuff like that it took him and a shop over a month and a half to get it running.... that doesn't sound like plug and play to me!! ;) And as far as the intake making a proclaimed 15hp I am not talking about changing my air filter I am going to go to the inside of the motor where the Hp is created and put it to goo use..... Thats a little more than a intake!!!

p.s.
I am ejoying actually haveing a dicussion with all you AF folks!!! :D This is fun!!! :D

I was making a comparison of what the HP gain is expected to be for the parts. You expect your HP to be 300 with those parts. Whether you get even close to that can't be determined until you dyno it.

Basic math my friend thats all it takes.....
If I am stock with 125hp with the tranny loss at 25% which is probably close I will be at about 94wHp... now the difference between a DX and a LX according to HONDA is the exaust... So by the time I do a header and exaust that at least puts me at 20Hp gain at the crank... with intake maybe 25Hp gain... So now I am up to 150Hp at the crank - 25% =112.5wHp.... no lets go inside pistons and rods with a 10.2:1 com ratio are going to add at very least 20 more Hp probly more but for argument sake.... So now I am at 170- 25%+127.5 whp at the wheels.... now flow matching and port and polish is going to add up to 20 more Hp... 190-25%=142.5 whp now then lets work on the cam that going to be 10 to 15 more with a gear so now we are at 200Hp at the crank... -25%=150Whp.... Now then considering I used skimpy numbers on the pistons and stuff I just met my goal!!! Now lets get into the tranny... Level ten shift kit.... That according to them and other people who use them that will put me equal to a 5 speed with a stage 3 racing clutch!!! That means I will be at around a 13 to 15% power loss..... Now take 200Hp -15%= 170Whp..... All motor... don't forget the skimpy numbers to get to this!! now lets add a little 150 shot of N2O.... According to many many dyno's that I have sen and others have seen N2O puts at least the shot number of Hp TO THE WHEELS!!! Now I am not saying that is every time but with the motor set up properly and breathing right it is very possible to see a bigger number..... Now then I am going to rest my case for now and see what all you folks can come up with to shoot my dream cloud down with next!!! lol!!! I know that the dyno numbers are the real thing but the way I have said all this is as close as you can get without really doing it.... Soon we shall see!!! and I can't wait!!! ;)Oh yeah and as for the mid 12's all that takes is massive weight reduction!!! ;) and a set of slicks...;)

what level10 kit are you talking about... is it the "performance auto transmission"?

Honestly dude, you keep on adding, if it makes you feel better.. Honestly I do see the possibility of getting 300 horsies out of that engine, but I dont think that your engine will last long.. Besides doing my math 300 is about the max that you can get out of that engine,, Get an H22SH Jspec and your at 220 STOCK... Only 80 less horsies than what you "PREDICT" Now you do the math... mmm and intake, exaust, cam gears and pulleys, should just about round 300 using your math... Gee and then you change pistons, rods, sleeves, cams, valves and springs, DAMN Watch out now!! Oh yea then spray your nos,, mmm I think we hit 400... Oh nows we upgrade our axles, and tranny... OMG then throw on a turbo, and we are at well over 500 to the wheels.... mmm, like I said you do the math.. Once you do like you say, you cant go any further, and you will be stuck in the 12's with your massive weight reduction, spend the extra 2200 bones and have your self the fastest accord in your area.... I promise you when you run your 12's it still wont be good enough for you, you will want more and there is no more room to work with... You will have to do the swap anyway, and the worst part is that those parts dont carry over to the H22, so if I was you I would ponder it a bit... I have spent the past 6 months weighing pros and cons. Last week I bought my H22...

Originally posted by wagsaccordsir
Honestly dude, you keep on adding, if it makes you feel better.. Honestly I do see the possibility of getting 300 horsies out of that engine, but I dont think that your engine will last long.. Besides doing my math 300 is about the max that you can get out of that engine,, Get an H22SH Jspec and your at 220 STOCK... Only 80 less horsies than what you "PREDICT" Now you do the math...
wooh, well said. preach on:D :D

on a little side note. in the first post you mentioned a swap as "cheating". if you consider that cheating to an easy hp gain, what do you think a 150shot of nos is???

Originally posted by wagsaccordsir
Get an H22SH Jspec and your at 220 STOCK... Only 80 less horsies than what you "PREDICT" Now you do the math... mmm and intake, exaust, cam gears and pulleys, should just about round 300 using your math... Gee and then you change pistons, rods, sleeves, cams, valves and springs, DAMN Watch out now!! Oh yea then spray your nos,, mmm I think we hit 400... Oh nows we upgrade our axles, and tranny... OMG then throw on a turbo, and we are at well over 500 to the wheels.... mmm, like I said you do the math..

You sir are the type person I call not too bright... If you can get 500Hp at the wheels with your Prelude motor for less than $5000 including the price of the motor and swap, I will gladly pay for your dyno to see it!!! And once again I say If you have to swap the motor in your car to make it faster your not a very good judge of buying cars.... You should of bought the prelude to start with!!! oh and you think you are getting that 220 at the wheels and you can get 8- more just with those couple of bolt ons, then I should be able to get way more than I predict....

You need yo get your butt dyno recalibrated!!!:cool:

Originally posted by ShockJon


You should of bought the prelude to start with!!!


Then why didn't you get a fast car to start with :confused:

Hypocrite! :finger:

I never said anything about getting all that horse for less than 5000, and who are you to judge my taste in cars and engines, I simply gave a little advice, you are straight out chastising me... If I wanted a prelude I would have bought one, instead I got a fricking accord... I was stationed in Japan for 2 years and seeing what an Accord SIR was capable of was impressive.... Next I dont recall saying an H22 swap was cheating, after all how could it be cheating when the car was manufactured with one in it?

Thank you 93speed, and strodda, well said....thank you!! And just to clear up my situation, I actually bought the Accord for the wife, before I knew that imports were hitting the streets and that they could be hooked up... So I kinda stumbled onto something.. And 2, I spent 2 years living in Korea, so I really had no idea what was going on in the states... I'm in the Military.. hence the Army Airborne

Originally posted by ShockJon
You sir are the type person I call not too bright... If you can get 500Hp at the wheels with your Prelude motor for less than $5000 including the price of the motor and swap, I will gladly pay for your dyno to see it!!! And once again I say If you have to swap the motor in your car to make it faster your not a very good judge of buying cars.... You should of bought the prelude to start with!!!

well first of all, saying that everyone who has a swapped accord is a bad consumer is being ignorant. personally i like how accords look, more than i do preludes. and as wagsaccordsir stated the accord sir has a h22. and since everyone is so in love with throwing around the words "jdm" nowadays, you should understand that technically a h22 is an accord engine as well.

and secondly, i would still like to know why you consider swapping as cheating?? i would think cheating could be classified as someone installing a mini rocket such as a 150shot of nos.
when people brag about their 1/4 times, they ALWAYS mention "all motor", so it would seem to me that nos would be thought of as unfair, or "cheating" as it has been put.

and one more thing. the hp youre claiming(maybe attainable, but thats beside the point), is only for a brief moment. you cant drive around with nos constantly flowing through your system. i would prefer having an overall tuned engine for daily driving, rather than a hollowed out car w/nos seeing as how that only comes handy for 12sec's down the strip. if you did everything you talked about with a h22, you could probably win without nos. now im not a big racer, but it seems a lot more impressive without the boost.

and now im hot as shit and tired from work:o , so i gosta lay down. have fun y'all.:D :D

The last time I checked I don't live in Japan and my car was manufactured in the USA.... now all the accords that I know of in the USA are not SIR's they are slow they are not from Japan... Now then.... I never said my car would be gutted, it will have full interior..... And I said at the begining of all this that I would do all this for LESS money than you will spend on the swap..... and futhermore I won't even start on why I choose N2O over turbo or s/c.....

p.s.
No hard feelings to anyone I just like the hardcore discussion... So for those of you who might want to strangle me I am sorry..... :o
But I am still right!!!:sun: LOL!!!!!

Quit arguing and get it done already!!! :finger4: ...So we can see the dyno results :devil:

:D

I have made my case and now I am finally going to shut up about it until I Dyno..... All I need is about $3500 to be complete with it.....
Thank you and good bye..... :lol2:

I am thinking about starting another argument about N2O vs Turbo vs Super Chargers.... If any one is interested let me know!!! :D

Hahaha sure, do it in that particular forum and let Drift argue with you.... :finger:

Originally posted by 93speed
Hahaha sure, do it in that particular forum and let Drift argue with you.... :finger:
damn that sound like a great idea!!!:D i wont be able to argue very well, but watchin drift at work sounds like a show.

damn,this thread is still going:D

If you are looking to increase power after you do all those mods to the stock engine in your 4th gen accord. I suggest you get larger valves... I don't know much about the heads on the 4th gen, but it is still SOHC...

One of the main reasons you can get so much more power out of the H22 is because it's DOHC... more air and fuel moving in and out... the more power. :)

I can't believe you even have to ask this question.. but we ARE on a Honda forum, so I guess we should assume that riceboys are drawn here like magnets..

im not sure what class i fall in. i guess ive gone rice by gettin a full WW kit and 18's, kept it clean by gettin all clear lighting and red-clear tails and no stickers or emblems...hell i dont even have an antenna. shortly it will be fast or faster, in the next couple weeks i am buyin my jdm h22. so i guess im gonna be alil bit of everything. only reason i am pretty much goin ahead and gettin a h22 is becuase i plan on keepin my car for a while and the f22 auto aint cuttin it, i dont like autos and so i figured while im wastin money to get it changed to 5 spd....might as well spend the extra and get everything i want done too.

I seen some pretty fast ACCORDS.. so don't make assumptions.. when they are not CORRECT. i think others in AF will agree with me.

Originally posted by StageOneGalant
I seen some pretty fast ACCORDS.. so don't make assumptions.. when they are not CORRECT. i think others in AF will agree with me.

Whats not true???

Accords can be verry fast. It depends mainly on the year model though due to different sized engines. I had a 94' accord 2.2 l. engine with intake and exhaust and 2 tornado "superchargers". These are the basic upgrades for any car and this accord would hang with mustang gt's. With new headers and minor other mods especially noz, i would have been running 12 to 13 sec quarter miles. Not bad for a 94'. It all depends on how much you want to invest in the engine instead off all on the interior and exterior. All a matter of preference.

I'm not sure I follow what you are saying??? I think I am reading this right that I can get intake, header, and exaust then out one of those $70 apple choppers and a little N2O and be in the 12 to 13 sec 1/4 times?

wow I have really been missing out!!! so If I do all that I say I am going to do and all that you have said according to you I will be in probly the 6's or 7's hmm thats beter than I expected!!!

I want to know, what do you drive now? And where do you live? I would like to race you!

If you really think you can be in the 12's or 13's with what you listed I wanna see it!!! I will give you three car lengths! and I am still stock!:)

I will bet you that I can have around 200 to 225 hp AT THE WHEELS by the end of the year and spend less money than you will spend on a motor swap!!! Then I will add the N2O which will put me over 300 at the wheels on the shot!!! And yes this is all with the factory 2.2L accord motor!!! I just like every body else need a little time to come up with the money... I am going for mid 12's "yes in the 1/4 for the smarties out there " with full interior!!! We will see thats all I can say.. I know a lot of people talk a lot of BS about there cars but I am trying my best to be serious here.... I have some friends at a performance shop around here and they are ready to do it Just as soon as I get the money it is not far fetched.... I just think it is rediculous to go through all that trouble with a motor swap when you have one that WILL work perfectly fine... Oh by the way I am at 155K on the speedo....

Well i am a honda fan and i do currently own a 90 accord and yes i do think its a great car, but with 155k on car u will more than likely do a swap before souping it up with all the power. And if this is true u might as well just by a new car and work with that, because there are alot more cars out there that just have more potential. Ihate dogging on my own car but im sorry ta say but N2o is way too harsh for your car and honestly i feel bad for such a great machine when its getting beaten up like that.

You obviously didn't catch the part about "building the motor for N2O" then the motor can stand more N2O than I can afford to spray!!!
with forged rods and high compression forged pistons and a built head I can run all the N2O I want too!!! and never hurt it... and also by building the motor I will have as much or more Hp than the H22 and less headachs to make it work, and most importantly It will be what I want to do to my car... I am looking to spray 150 shot multi-staged when I am completely done.... And I did mess up with the end of the year thing It will take me a little longer to get the stuff done... ( I had some unexspected doctor bills ) and I also had to buy my wife a Lancer before she would let me touch her car!! :silly2:

dude, good luck with your project. I support crazy idea's like this. I just hope you won't fry or dent/bend your pistons the first chance it's out. post up the DYNO results ... !! can't wait ...

Originally posted by cowgod
dude, good luck with your project. I support crazy idea's like this. I just hope you won't fry or dent/bend your pistons the first chance it's out. post up the DYNO results ... !! can't wait ...

Ahh Support!!! Is that what this this is!!!???!!! YEAH!!! I am happy now I can die in pieces now!!! lol
Thanks man! I am serious its very hard for people to understand even just a little!!!
:silly2: :) :D :cool: ;) :silly2:

hey shock, that sounds great if you can get it to work. thatd be awsome to see that kind of performance out of a f22. personally ill just be taking the easy way out with a swap, just easier and i dont know much about rebuilding an engine.

i think my accord is pretty fast :)
probably because it's still new
when i slowly tips on the gas pedal it goes pretty quick..
btw, my accord is only a 4 cylinder but it's still good :P

Accords can be fast without doing a motor swap, Intake, Exhaust, Headers, Port And Polish, Different Cam,Advanced Timing,VTEC controllers, there are tons of things to make an accord faster. Theres also little things like good synthetic oil and higher octane fuel.

where can i get a new cam?? ive never seen any for f-series.

again it won't let me vote, but my car is VERY VERY slow, but it looks good right!? lol. With all the subs, springs, performance parts, kit, rims...my car is very heavy!

Well yes there are many things to make ur accord faster....personally i have this little trick to make mine go faster....don't tell anyone, but what I do is remove the floorboard below the gas pedal...that way I can push it down just a little further...I think it's good for about 10 hp....:p ;) :D

hehheh

-Kep

only thing slower than my accord is my civic :D

i got 94 accord that runs 15's

Originally posted by teamdb
i got 94 accord that runs 15's


Didnt you say in another post that you ran 14's? Which is it 15's or 14's? And what do you have done to your 94 accord. Cause I guarantee you if its stock, you arent running in either of those brackets. Not trying to put you down , but don't bullshit. If your getting them times I wanna know how..

Originally posted by wagsaccordsir



Didnt you say in another post that you ran 14's? Which is it 15's or 14's? And what do you have done to your 94 accord. Cause I guarantee you if its stock, you arent running in either of those brackets. Not trying to put you down , but don't bullshit. If your getting them times I wanna know how..

Perhaps he was talking about the 1/8 mile. Otherwise you are right.

Originally posted by ShockJon
I want to know why nobody really tries to make accords fast??? I mean people race pintos for goodness sake why can't we make a fast accord?? and with out doing motor swaps thats the easy way out!! in other words cheating!!:D
how is a motor swap the easy way out? Have you ever done an H22a swap? If you want it to be hard take the motor apart before you drop it in polish it and measure it out to exacts. I support your Idea but in no way is a motor swap the easy way out. hurts the wallet to.

Originally posted by Got Boost?



you need some balls to back up all the atention you are getting.

thats as real as it gets. all show but no go' it's not right. "why buy big condoms when you have a small dick??"

good lookin'

ALL SHOW and ALL GO here!!! Nuff Said!!

I have 2 accords, both are 90's. The first has nothing inside but one seat and the essentials no swap on the engine. I use that accord for racing i dont mean drag i mean real racing. The second accord has an H22A Euro R prelude swap with the ext/int all done and it is fast and looks great. People that drive on the street going over 70mph are stupid. You dont need huge brakes if you are going over 100 on a street. Even though i get my rush on the track i still now and then go over 100mph sometimes over 130mph on the HIGHWAY like an Interstate plus it is like sometime between 3 and 5 in the morning when i drive like that. And last i am a Cop and ill be honest as long as you dont drive stupid we wont pull you over for racing unless theres traffic or on a busy road and you are not going too fast. So please if you want to race, race on a track and not on the street. Its your choice to drive down Victory lane or Memorial lane......In a body bag.