Tamiya 2005 Raybrig NSX

hey guys, was just browsing the early bird section at HLJ, and apparently Tamiya is releasing the Raybrig NSX from this season, should be interesting to see how tamiya does the new NSX GT

cool, and finally another new car!

Cool, lok forward to seeing that.

I wonder what the R34 Nismo parts will be - http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM12608

Exhaust, engine perhaps? Actually the latter seems unlikely to me as that would still require alot of scratchbuilding and conversion to make it fit.

Cool, lok forward to seeing that.

I wonder what the R34 Nismo parts will be - http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM12608

Exhaust, engine perhaps? Actually the latter seems unlikely to me as that would still require alot of scratchbuilding and conversion to make it fit.

mhhhhhh:disappoin
I'm perplexed by the price: it's cheap: tamiya would charge at least 15-20 usd for that:banghead:

No idea what the NISMO parts are, correct exhuast perhaps?? Kit to convert the V-SPEC II kit into the NISMO?

NSX will be nice though... I've got a Raybrig NSX already, and well detailed kit.. Should be worth taking a look at..

Oh...I surely hope its not an unassembled diecast of the muscle machine diecasts. Good news otherwise.

i think it would be a plastic kit, but it'll most likely come with a diecast chassis like the Xanavi Nismo Z and the Calsonic Impul Z, but since it isnt out until february, i guess we'll be in the dark about it until then, if only Tamiya would release an ARTA nsx..

http://www.honda.co.jp/SuperGT/race2005/rd04/images/02_b.jpg

Finally something interesting from Tamiya. But still ,it's not something 100% new.. Just an updated version of an old kit.

pre order link: http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM24286

With this release, Studio 27 can then put out decal sets of the other cars...as long as the wheels are the same.

:biggrin:

Really great news!!!!

I hope other GT cars will follow soon.

That's a good new, hopes it does not come with the metal chassis. yeah...at least one NSX is coming. :D

need some supras!

http://www.honda.co.jp/SuperGT/race2005/rd04/images/02_b.jpg

Finally something interesting from Tamiya. But still ,it's not something 100% new.. Just an updated version of an old kit.

pre order link: http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM24286


There actually isn't a whole lot shared between the old NSXs and the new ones. The Raybrig car isn't turbocharged so the engine would be about the only thing Tamiya could use from the old kits on the new ones. I know a lot of you guys talk ill on Tamiya, and some it justified, but I don't think they would let themselves get away with adding a new sprue and different decals to the old JGTC NSXs and reboxing them. The long lead time, too, release in February, both indicate, at least to me, that this is likely a new kit.

That said.... YES! It won't be long until they rebox it or S27 releases decals for other versions of this car! I am so excited!!

Hopefully S27 will release decals for it, i was looking forward to some G'Zox Hasemi Z decals, but nothing ever materialized :(

I'm sorry guys but from from this link it looks to have the new crappy die cast under panel.

http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=24286

Another crappy model from Tamiya..!! It'll be a good mold, with good fitment, but crappy detail underneath. I enjoy detailing the chassis..

Oh, I've got a Mustang 2006 from Revell coming from the states.. Something with decent detailing..!!

Thanks Tamiya..!!

what so bad with a diecast underbody when its already flat like that in real life?

what so bad with a diecast underbody when its already flat like that in real life?
a couple of screws an sunspension's detail less :disappoin also a criticable finishing:evillol:

what so bad with a diecast underbody when its already flat like that in real life?


Doesn't look to have engine detail either... I'm not so keen on the newer die cast bottom... Tamiya in the 80 / 90's made full detailed cars, then on the late 90's early 2000's started to make most of them curbside.. Now in 2005 onwards is die cast bottom and no engine hardly at all..

It reeks of cheapness, and cutting corners... They don't do the same with military or bike products, yet us car builders have to accept it..

Bollocks..!! I'm totally naive as to the real reason, but something is rotten, mostly these new kits from Tamiya..

I'm sorry guys but from from this link it looks to have the new crappy die cast under panel.

http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=24286

Another crappy model from Tamiya..!! It'll be a good mold, with good fitment, but crappy detail underneath. I enjoy detailing the chassis..

Oh, I've got a Mustang 2006 from Revell coming from the states.. Something with decent detailing..!!

Thanks Tamiya..!!

But there’s a huge benefit to the chassis being diecast…..






…..your dog won’t be able to eat it!! :rofl:

But there’s a huge benefit to the chassis being diecast…..






…..your dog won’t be able to eat it!! :rofl:

Well I'll give you that..!! But actually the model she chewed up she didn't touch the chassis.... Perhaps she thought being a Tamiya kit the chassis was metal, and would bust up her teeth..!!

If you don't like it don't buy it. I will. I will because I love the car and I can build it correctly diecast chassis or not. So be quiet and go sit in the corner.

If you don't like it don't buy it. I will. I will because I love the car and I can build it correctly diecast chassis or not. So be quiet and go sit in the corner.

Exactly what I will be doing, but not sitting in the corner.. Tamiya are beginning to rest a little on their laurels, and think any old shitty car product will be brought.. Guess they are right, but I just tend to like a little more detail OOB, and not have to purchase £50 worth of aftermarket upgrades to make it better…

Oh sorry, I should have stayed quiet as I was in the corner. Do I get detention for that? As long as I don’t have to tell my mommy..!!

And before someone shouts – did I search erm… Nope I didn’t. Sorry…!!

Guess they are right, but I just tend to like a little more detail OOB, and not have to purchase £50 worth of aftermarket upgrades to make it better...

You're in for a shock when your Mustang gets there, then.

You're in for a shock when your Mustang gets there, then.
:rofl: :owned: :rofl:

You're in for a shock when your Mustang gets there, then.

Yeah whatever..!! At the silly price I've paid for it, I could have brought three even four of them for the price this will retail for..

Anything like past die cast chassis kits it will be around £26 - £30 in the UK, so at least Tamiya will save me some money as I won't buy it..

Still not a lot I can do about it, you're right.. If you don't like it don't buy it and I won't..!!

waaahh.....waaaah.....waaah....

:rolleyes:

But it's just a Honduh...:dunno:
...

The bit that annoys me is the advetising blub stating "Diecast under panel for enhanced weight and realism". Exactly how does having a flat slab and stuff all suspension detail enhance realism? The issue is even more pronounced on the 307 kit as we have discussed before.

I fear the the truth is Tamiya are moving towards prebuilts and the metal slab makes it easier for them to manufacture as such. It's the thin end of the wedge people! :mad:

Anyway not a problem for me, I prefer the older style Raybrig NSX and still haven't built that one yet. Ah the good old days when men were men and plastic kits were plastic....

The bit that annoys me is the advetising blub stating "Diecast under panel for enhanced weight and realism". Exactly how does having a flat slab and stuff all suspension detail enhance realism? The issue is even more pronounced on the 307 kit as we have discussed before.

I fear the the truth is Tamiya are moving towards prebuilts and the metal slab makes it easier for them to manufacture as such. It's the thin end of the wedge people! :mad:



The reason they use the die cast base is to stop the screws shearing off in transit when they screw the pre-builts to the bases. I know this for a fact.

That's silly. Oh well. Good thing I've stockpiled some older NSX kits that were intended to be modified to match the new ones - Tamiya did most of the work for me now, all I have to do is modify the chassis and put the new body on.

The reason they use the die cast base is to stop the screws shearing off in transit when they screw the pre-builts to the bases. I know this for a fact.

Tamiya do prebuilts that use plastic chassis as well so that doesn't mean a diecast base is a requirement to stop the screws shearing. However for that and a number of other reasons the simplified construction and metal base is obviously preferable for them.

OMG stop complaining already!!! I've heard this arguement/rant more then enough times already. Obvioudsly the dudes at Tamiya are nto listening. And then, after you guys have built the kit, there is no problems! You sound like a bunch of NOOBS!!!!!

Yeah let's stop complaining and just be grateful for whatever crumbs the almighty Tamiya might cast our way. :rolleyes: Just like newbies who don't know any better. :eek:

Do you realise you are now complaining about our complaining? Which is worse? :lol:

I admit I am perhaps complaining and voicing my opinions a little too much about this, but I really do feel Tamiya are selling a huge base of loyal model builders very short.

They do not perform the same stunts with bikes etc… But I’ve whinged enough, been called a baby and you’re right, everyone rights. Nothing can be done, Tamiya will not listen, I’m afraid this is now the way forward from the looks of it. It’s such a shame, and I’m sorry for starting another ranting moan about Tamiya.

But I will say, you can blame this mostly on the die cast market, and lazy collectors, or collectors who do not have any skill to build a model, I mean why build a really nice Ferrari or Skyline or something when a die cast can be brought for say £30 where you take it off the shelf, pay for it take it home, plonk in a display case and walk away..

Sorry another moan.. Bah, I can’t help it can I..!!

Did the Tamiya Enzo not sell well? Not my type of subject but that kit is amazing. What went wrong?

Diecast chassis on a tank: click here. (http://tamiya.com/english/products/32518_4ausf_j/index.htm) And here. (http://tamiya.com/english/products/32515t34/index.htm)

Diecast wheels on a tank: click here. (http://tamiya.com/english/products/35279leclerc/index.htm)

Diecast parts on a jet: click here. (http://tamiya.com/english/products/60316thunderbirds/index.htm)

Car modelers aren't the only ones finding metal in our model boxes.

Diecast chassis on a tank: click here. (http://tamiya.com/english/products/32518_4ausf_j/index.htm) And here. (http://tamiya.com/english/products/32515t34/index.htm)

Diecast wheels on a tank: click here. (http://tamiya.com/english/products/35279leclerc/index.htm)

Diecast parts on a jet: click here. (http://tamiya.com/english/products/60316thunderbirds/index.htm)

Car modelers aren't the only ones finding metal in our model boxes.

Bloody hell… That’s what you get for having tunnel vision. Didn’t research enough to see if anyone else was suffering the same fate..

Die Cast on a tank, to add weight.. Well I guess tanks are heavy, wonder if the military guys are as chuffed as us car modellers. Wonder what Tamiya are planning for their model kit division? Eventually selling just pre-built, or pre-painted metal etc and you just screw it together?

Oh well.. I’ve simmered down anyhow, I think my “dog” related skyline incident made me a little touchy and seeing another crappy die cast chassis just put me over the edge..

I guess since it's 1/24 scale, they try to replicate the 1/24 weight of the subject.

Next, the 100lbs Model kit !

Yes I for one am well aware of the diecast chassis being used on Tamiya's tanks. To me it isn't the medium of metal that is the problem. A diecast part in itself isn't necessarily a backwards step. What IS the problem is the simplifying and loss of detail that is going hand in hand with it. Where once Tamiya produced beautifully detailed and accurate chassis and suspensions now we have something close to nothing.

I guess Tamiya's research has shown most people don't pick up a model and look underneath? I wonder what the tank guys think about it and if it is affecting the authenticity of military models. Given the power of armour and aviation modellers I suspect that they are not being forced to live with as big a compromise as we automotive modellers are.

At least they'll be dog resistant :iceslolan
I would say dog proof, but I don't know how big your dog is.

about the more "realistic weight feeling", I don't really buy it. So the 1/24 scale, the volume should be 24 x 24 x 24 times smaller then the life-size. (length x width x height), so that's 13824.

Take a car weights 3000lbs, divided by 13824 and you get 0.217 lbs. With that metal base it will weight way more then 0.217 lbs!! I feel bad about Tamiya cutting corners yet giving bull about it :(

Have any of you guys bothered to try and contact Tamiya with your views???? Or are you all hoping that some Tamiya executive will be reading this post while he plots to put more diecast metal into our kits??? Listen guys, this is not some sort of conspiracy here. I really can't see how putting diecast metal parts into a model, is a cost-saving measure!!! Let alone it being corner-cutting. I think Tamiya is just trying something new. Perhaps they are trying to appeal to a new market segment!? Maybe trying to attract the diecast modelers?? Further, making curb-side models is no sin. Curb-side models are more cost-effective for alot of people. Also, many people just want to have a model of a certain car, without going through all the detail work of building an engine! Juice companies make different flavours for a reason. , just like Tamiya makes different kinds of car kits (Curb-side, full detail, with diecast metal parts, etc.). You can't stick to just one type product! CrispyCream donuts did that here in Canada and they got clobbered!!! Think outside of the box guys. One last thing...... please don't ever put an American model company over Tamiya!!! Tamiya is the RollsRoyce of plastic modelling, while any American company would be the Chevy Lumina!

please, tell us how you really feel.

Cool, lok forward to seeing that.

I wonder what the R34 Nismo parts will be - http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM12608

Exhaust, engine perhaps? Actually the latter seems unlikely to me as that would still require alot of scratchbuilding and conversion to make it fit.


http://www.tamiyausa.com/images/product/210/12608/header_1.jpg

http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=12608

So Rims, Brakes, Muffler, Side Skirt, Steering and Nismo decals

For this price, I would be happy just with the Nismo Decals :D

Just because a product has the Tamiya logo on it does not mean it is the best. Think outside the box! :lol: In fact there must be examples of American kits and products that are equal or maybe even better than Tamiya. Generalisations are hardly ever true.

We all know Tamiya are pretty darn good, that is what makes this backward step all the more annoying.

cool parts!

Just because a product has the Tamiya logo on it does not mean it is the best. Think outside the box! :lol: In fact there must be examples of American kits and products that are equal or maybe even better than Tamiya. Generalisations are hardly ever true.

We all know Tamiya are pretty darn good, that is what makes this backward step all the more annoying.


I would love to hear of some examples that you are thinking of. Let it be apples to apples, since we are talking about 1:24th scale, plastic, car model kits. I have worked with Revell/Monogram, AMT, ect. - i know there is more.... they don't come close to the quality and fit that Tamiya has. Revell/Monogram came out with their Enzo and it was pretty good. But can you honestly say that the Revell/Monogram Enzo is superior to the Tamiya kit??? There is no way that you can. Right now, i would say that the Tamiya Enzo kit is the kit to beat! If i would have made a generalisation, i would have said that Tamiya is the BEST over any model company! But that is not what i said. I said that Tamiya is better then American plastic model companies. I say this in regards to quality and fit. All my car models ARE NOT Tamiya. I also buy Revell/Monogram if i want to make a stockcar or muscle car. All i can say is you get what you pay for;)

ok there's a way to put a dot on:
2 '05 NSX kit:

1 tamiya with die cast damn die cast chassis with its couple of screw, curbside, fine fitting, good trasparents ecc.

1 revell or AMT full detail, knowed quality

sincerly, what do you chose?

I think the answer isn't automatic. Imagine the 2 builted models at a contest side by side.

So, good idea to use/adapt an old NSX kit, but why we need to do it?

So i like it, the kit is Tamy only, I will buy it soon also if I just hate metal chassis.

Vric: good parts, another time I don't beleive the price!:iceslolan

The reason I wrote what I posted was because I didn't want to put down an entire nation of model manufacturers. I don't generally build American kits because American cars don't interest me. Does the Accurate Miniatures McLaren M8 count as American? In terms or detail and potential (definitely not fit though!) it's way up there. It is acknowledged that the Tamiya Enzo is a superb kit, probably the best ever in 1/24th (pity it’s of such an ugly duck) but since it and the equally superb Carrera GT, Tamiya have been back peddling. Okay the fit and finish are still there, but they have chosen to turn their back on all over (underneath) accuracy.

I'm sure it isn't the kit designers and engineers who have chosen that path. Rather some marketing cretin who is attempting to broaden the demographic, or similar advertising claptrap.

Bottom line we all know Tamiya are capable of producing the best, only they seem to have forgotten how. That is why some of us are so upset about this diecast chassis. Tamiya are supposed to build the best aren’t they? Well no longer if you care about suspension and underbody accuracy. If you can live with that compromise then you are the guy Tamiya is after. I apparently am not.

Bottom line we all know Tamiya are capable of producing the best, only they seem to have forgotten how. That is why some of us are so upset about this diecast chassis. Tamiya are supposed to build the best aren’t they? Well no longer if you care about suspension and underbody accuracy. If you can live with that compromise then you are the guy Tamiya is after. I apparently am not.

Amen to that...!!

I am regarded as a newbie model builder, only been building for 11 months, however I took a 15 year timeout, and before that I had built nearly 35 Tamiya kits, and had a stash of nearly 30 to be built. I was young, and was mostly brush painting, learning etc but the whole lot was lost to a fire. Another story.

I quit as I lost heart, but I remember Tamiya being regarded as the BEST. You could buy no better. Superb detail, full engine, fantastic fitment, good build guides with nice drawings. Heck even the box art was the best.. Tamiya have built up a reputation of being the finest out there.

Therefore I know Tamiya are good, damn good. I go on about how I'm only starting out, yes true. I'm only starting out as trying to become a full detail model builder after a long break, but I know what a good kit is.

So, seeing Tamiya back pedal like this saddens me. I do not care the chassis is made out of metal, Tamiya could provide me a metal body I'll learn how to use it, but when it starts to remove detail I get upset. As long as the metal chassis is fully detailed etc I’m OK. It’s the detail I want, and love. I've accepted curbside, I just display the model with a fixed bonnet even though curbside is bad enough, no problem but to remove underchassis detail, no I won't accept it.

Whomever Tamiya are aiming these new line of kits at is, as far as I'm concerned unknown, but they do not appeal to me. Marketing bods are at times twats..!! Only think of expanding profits, as I doubt this kit is cheaper to produce as pointed out, but does mean they can up their retail price... To what end I don't know, but I bet it's so they can mass produce pre-built to aim at the more lazy model collector who has no skill, or doesn’t want to learn how to build a model etc… Hence the marketing boys think – Ah, more sales. Kit is more expensive, but who cares, we can get a foothold on the profitable die cast market.. Brilliant.. Piss off loyal model builders, but win hundreds of skill less or lazy or whatever collectors who can’t be bothered to build or create. (Sorry if that statement offends, it’s not a total generalisation).

And for those who say we never turn the car upside down to look at the detail, not true. When ever anyone looks at my models and are intrigued by them, I have to turn them upside down, take the bonnet off, they ask if the doors open etc.... Models are fun to look at if it has more detail.. Less detail is just wrong, and it feels cheap yet the kits aren't cheap.

I know, I know yet more moaning, but why should we accept less detail from one of the worlds finest kit producer. It's a sad state of play and I'm upset about it, as Tamiya have provided us with so many models, paints, tools etc.. Loyal customers do not want this, I do not want this and I'm sure I and rallyraider are not the only ones.

Sure we have been called whinging old gits, that act like kids (well I have) and ok, true but deep down I'm just upset Tamiya have decided to release kits with even less detail then a curbside kit.

boh, I can't agree at 100%
I'm quetly a newbe but also done models incostantly from 30 years, when I begun I havent cash to buy Tamy stuff, after a little I start to appreciate Tamy's quality and payed for it. I think they quality level is every at top. Simply I get upset if they give me models w/out details for a hi-price: they put a flat die-cast underpanel and said"is better for realism".

So I'm not worry for the future (oh, in modelmaking only: yes Phil people still coming crazy and stupid, specially our warlike's politician, but we are the stupid who choose they: I talk for mine..:disappoin .. and take full responsability of my words:mad::mad::mad:)

Tamiya management aren't stupid for sure, and invest a lot on market research: the done an image of "HI QUALITY FOR HI-PRICE, SIMPLY THE BEST" that cost they a lot in money and time, they work on it since the begin.
Would you say that the're stupid and want to put down that image (done with fact, not with adwertising) ?
Simply they're attempt to divice theyr market: from down mounted models, really simply curbside with die-cast specs, well detailed models (like tradition)

I would like to know how they're done those F430: if it have a die cast metal back w/out sunspension details i'm in wrong (I know, my wife said me at least 7 day/week at 1am when she wait under the blanket and I'm at my desk thith gued finger:evillol:)