Why NA??

I wanted to go NA on a B16B that I just purchased with some ITB's. I want a real screamer out of my del sol. I realize the amount of tuning you have to do with it. With my laptop and a plug and play program my car club made seems it might work.They use it on there own cars as well without problems. i ve been looking around and I keep hearing about how expensive it is to go NA and all this. is this just when you get over the 250hp mark or all together. what engine accessories do yall appove of getting to maximize my horsepower.

you want 250 and have a b16b its doable.
Best thing i can say is up your displacement or be ready to get wild with head work and comp.

getting power N/A or F/I costs welcome to hondas =/

I would jump into the all motor area on honda tech many 250WHP cars and above using B motors

Bore. Up 12.0:1. Tune. Go.

I agree....overbore, up the compression, build the head, cam it, intake, header, good exhaust, tune that baby and go to town!

i think my greddy evo 2 will do with the exaust and my cold air from AEM I wanted to get can shafts from the B18 type R is the head work the only expensive thing about it. minus the tuning. Any good company that do good head jobs......speakin of head jobs im out... :naughty:

i think my greddy evo 2 will do with the exaust and my cold air from AEM I wanted to get can shafts from the B18 type R is the head work the only expensive thing about it. minus the tuning. Any good company that do good head jobs......speakin of head jobs im out... :naughty:

Wait you have ITBS and your buying a AEM intake because?

Your cams from the b16b are as mean as honda makes them swapping in b18c5 cams would lose you power.

for 250whp you'll be making life so much easier with stroking or boring your motor its really REALLY hard to get it out of a 1.6L if you dont want to do all that you can change for a frankenstien setup lsvtec like I have granted mines alot more for long life and staying to a rule book.

you'll need to start getting little wild with 250HP setup but you can keep her on pump gas.

i would search on the honda tech all motor area for 250 WHP all motor cars thats what i did for my setup and she runs ilke a dream.

anything else feel free to ask :smile:

block sleeved to 86mm, 12:1 compression. combustion chamber shaped to match the bore, and the biggest cams you can get before you run into interference problems, itbs, mad port work, one of those equal length headers. it might be a good idea to have the block girlded however you spell it, have the bottom end balanced for the high revs

250whp(street) is doable....with atleast 1.8L. Omniman was able to hit 200whp(barely though) on a b16a, with crzy headwork, rocket cams, (bottom end was stock I believe) and hondata.

The bottom part prep should be easy; just stroke it with ITR/GSR crankshaft and rods, and you have 1.8l with 12:1 compression(assuming youre still using the b16b pistons and stock headgasket). Some of the guys on H-T that are over 250whp are 2l also; so if you're going to get aftermarket pistons, go for 84mm ones and get the block resleeved.

The hardest/time-consuming part is the headwork and ignition/fuel tuning. Also, run no accessory except for the alternator.

The "cheater" way would be going with a 2.4l K-series hybrid ;) (theyre around ~220whp with stock K20A2 or K20A head, k24 shortblock, and tune).

*Theres an article on IB that says not to match the combustion chamber to the bore.

so by the sound of it and all the info being thrown at me it seems much easier to go the b18c route if i want all motor striving for the all motor route I wanna get to the 250 platform but dont want to push my engine to the envelope doing it I want room for more horspower in the future. I think the easy way to go would be LS VTEC and slep a turbo on but how many mo fo's have that specially out in Cali Shout Out to North Island!!!!
I think the onnly reason I wanted to go B16B is because the swap woould be much easier the the B18 but now its looking like the extra time might be worth it. And by Cams I mean Camshafts not the gears if there was a mix upIve heard putting bigger camshafts helps opening the valves up more exp. during the vtec stage
I was thinking a K20a2 swap but I dont think I could do that on my own I think i would have to have a shop do that one.

http://dartonsleeves.com/images/k20honda_sm.jpg

what about a cylinder brace or solid sleeving (or whatever its called)

this pic of of a K20, maybe it cant be done with a B-series engine.

your talking about sleeving the motor ?

why cant it be done with a b series ? sleeving is done more on b series and d series than on k series

no, i meant the solid sleeving, maybe you cant put in a solid one like in the pic, i dont know. because i've never tried solid-sleeving a B-series block, or any block for that matter.

im not saying you cant sleeve it at all, im saying maybe you can use a solid sleeve, like in that pic.

you can get your b series closed deck sleeves like that. i bet that pic is of a aebs sleeved block ?

you can get your b series closed deck sleeves like that. i bet that pic is of a aebs sleeved block ?
or bensons.

AEBS, Darton, Golden Eagle and Benson Performance Machining all re-sleeve blocks.

AEBS
http://www.aebsracing.com/products.pl?product=tsleeves
AEBS 8270 Miramar Rd
San Diego, CA 92126

858-693-3200
858-693-3449 FAX

Darton
http://www.darton-international.com/main_fr.htm
2380 Camino Vida Roble
Suite J & K
Carlsbad, CA 92009

800-713-2786
760-603-9895
760-603-9629 Fax

Golden Eagle Manufacturing
http://www.goldeneaglemfg.com/sleeving.html
414 Borrego Court
San Dimas, CA

909-592-4311
909-599-4692 FAX
sales@goldeneaglemfg.com

This link will link you to their block dealers too if you don't want to go direct.
http://www.goldeneaglemfg.com/contact.html

Benson's Performance Machine
Dept. THP
2909 S. Kilson Ave.
Santa Ana, CA 92707
(714) 241-1284

Also, I didn't read it yet, but I found this article online and thought it might be interesting.
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0112tur_stroker/

so is that "solid sleeveing" thing common ?

that block isnt a benson block because benson doesnt use closed deck sleeves, he leaves the blocks open deck.

yes its common, i think benson is the only company that doesnt close the deck

so is that "solid sleeveing" thing common ?

It's not like everyone with a honda runs around with a closed deck, but there are several reputable companies who make sleeves to re-sleeve the block and close the deck. If you have the money to spend then you can do it. The companies and parts are out there for honda motors.

that block isnt a benson block because benson doesnt use closed deck sleeves, he leaves the blocks open deck.

yes its common, i think benson is the only company that doesnt close the deck

oh yea i just remebered that.

IB/GE also uses open deck btw(the GE sleeves have "fingers" that are about half way down the sleeve).

i would call GEs sleeve closed deck because solid deck stocks the sleeves from moving, thats what GE's sleeves does, benson doesnt have anything to reenforce the sleeves to stop them from moving.

but i make it sound like a bad thing, because earl laskey, father of mike laskey the professional racer uses benson sleeves and recommends them

whats the difference between open and closed decks and how much could a re sleeving cost when I buy the engine should I just tear it down and take them the block?? I can do the head work my self

I would tear the engine down to the block and bring them that in order to save money, but i would talk to them and see if thats ok first. I was going to do all the sanding and prep work before my car was painted, but the painters wouldn't touch a car that they didn't prep.....these guys might have the same policy!

i would call GEs sleeve closed deck because solid deck stocks the sleeves from moving, thats what GE's sleeves does, benson doesnt have anything to reenforce the sleeves to stop them from moving. technically, those reinforcements are under the deck; but they pretty much enforce the area of the sleeve thats under the most load; imo GE style>*.

sorry for the n00b questions, so that where its all one part sleeving, thats closed deck ?

imconfusing myself now..

These are closed deck sleeves. These are pictures of AEBS t-sleeves and Darton MID (Modular Integrated Deck) Sleeves. These are a closed deck. Look at the pics and you'll see it's closed at the top of the deck around the cylinders, not open.

AEBS T-Sleeves
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/70393AEBS_sleeves.jpg

AEBS T-Sleeves (B18B1 block)
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/70393b18b1_sleeves.jpg

Darton MID Sleeves (LS1 block left and Ecotec block right, they make em for Honda/Acuras too however).
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/70393LS-1_-ecotec-blocks.jpg

Here is an open deck sleeve. These are Benson sleeves. Benson Sleeves are custom manufactured for Benson Machine to Dan Benson's specs by Darton.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/70393Bensonsleeves.jpg