F1 vs. Carrera GT Auto Bild Test

Friends,
The comming Issue (December) from the German Car Magazine "Auto Bild Sportscars" will have a Supercar Duell inside between the F1 and Porsche Carrera GT on the Nürburgring Nordschleife. The Magazin will be at the Newsstand from 18. November.

For overseas ordering contact redaktion@autobildsportscars.de

Wow - great news. Hopefully the F1 will make a good showing and we will finally have a legit laptime for the car at that great track. I don't expect it to win - the brakes alone will be a huge handicap, but I'll appreciate the story either way.

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ER

Overseas ordering? Get real! You know scans of that will be all over the internet in next to no time.

Overseas ordering? Get real! You know scans of that will be all over the internet in next to no time.

LOL :iceslolan

But part of me wants an original copy.

All of me will want one. Scans are great, but I still love having the physical library.

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ER

Overseas ordering? Get real! You know scans of that will be all over the internet in next to no time.

yes i know scans, but i prefer the hard copy too. sure i will made some scans and post here.

I'M DYING to see what happened with the CGT/Macca F1!!! Any News?????

I'M DYING to see what happened with the CGT/Macca F1!!! Any News?????

yes, i hold the issue in my hand but its not a real test. i think it was not possible to go to the limit with the f1. (in case of a crash). the F1 is still faster than the cgt :loser:

i will do some scans tomorrow in the office and posting here.

CGT is still a fine, fine car!!!!

CGT is still a fine, fine car!!!!


i know some people saw the EVO test of the Carrera GT v F1 done by Rowan Atkinson on Goodwoods track - the F1 was Juan Barazi's and the GT i am sure was Lord March's - sure it's not as good as the 'ring but i bet the result was the same!

F1 wins :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

If I remember correctly, the owner on pistonheads (gold BBS wheels) said that only on circuits like Talladega or Indianapolis would the F1 beat the Carrera GT.

If I remember correctly, the owner on pistonheads (gold BBS wheels) said that only on circuits like Talladega or Indianapolis would the F1 beat the Carrera GT.Same dude also owns a Carrera GT, so he probably knows what he's talking about more than most.

:)

Scans have surfaced at supercars.net

http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=63842

Just out of interest, anyone wanna hazard a guess as to the specific F1 they used for the article?

Just out of interest, anyone wanna hazard a guess as to the specific F1 they used for the article?
I understand the car was from the BMW Collection.

Here's a nice (albeit small) gallery of photos from the test:

http://www.autobild.de/projektor/galerie.php?pos=0&artikel_id=10222

After seeing these photos, my best guess is that this could be #047.

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ER

WOW those shots are AMAZING! How sad that they're not high res!

Wow, those are some of the best F1 shots I've seen in a very long time. Such a shame that they aren't larger.

I need them in high res!!!!! they are so f'in clear and stylish.

Can only get them in smaller sizes not larger......

I noticed the trip reading 184 and the odometer reading 1050 - I assume km because the clocks are km - there can't be too many with that few kilometers

Can anybody who speaks German cut through the article and give a synopsis of what went on? I perused through and didn't find any lap times or test data.

wow, im impressed, them germans sure do know their photography, amazing photos! great angles of the car!
also about the verdict... of course they will never admit defeat, german supercar vs british supercar... in a german magazine... hmmmm you know they will be a just little biased toward the porsche... im sure the f1 will get its praise but then theyll throw in their 2 cents about how the carrera gt is better at... whatever it may be... i recently read an article in autocar of the enzo vs. the f1, written by martin brundle, and his verdict was that he'd take the f1 on the road, where it proved far superior, and the enzo at the track, where it faired just a little better than the f1, and my reaction was: 'well, the purpose of the f1 was to be the ultimate road car, not a track car built for the road...' apparently, as we all know, the crown has yet to be passed on... and as so many have said before; the f1 is the best roadcar ever built, and most likely to ever be built

There aren't any lap times...

I speak from the collective wisdom of people here rather than from personal experience, but my take on it is that the F1 is indeed a fantastic car and is absolutely legendary in terms of engineering purity. I think in our modern days of corner-cutting, car manufacturer mergers and empires, bottom line margins and vehicle safety/emissions/bureaucracy legislation, building something like the F1 today would be a near-impossibility.

To be quite honest, I would still pick an F1 over a Carrera GT given half the chance, but I would regret the opportunity cost of not having the Porsche. There was a day when I would pick the F1 over anything without a shadow of a doubt, and to a large extent this still applies today, but I would have to step back and think about it.

Cars like the Carrera GT, Enzo and Koenigsegg come far closer to running the F1 gamut than anything else since Murray's creation first rolled off the production line.

The F1 proposition to me is about buying into a legacy of the realisation of a dream by one of the world's greatest car engineers and manufacturers. It's not just about the lap times, top speeds and power outputs (though I understand the F1 is no slouch in any of these departments) - it's about the soul.

If I were after driving dynamics, I would probably drive a few cars (including the F1), before making my mind up. Technology has moved on significantly in the last decade, and key elements of car building which were not practically available during the time the F1 was designed (like advanced carbon braking systems), are fairly standard issue today, even in "baby" supercars like the cheaper Ferraris and Porsches.

Technically and tangibly, there is less of a case for the F1 today than there ever was, and this trend will continue. Cars will get better and faster for cheaper - such is the nature of evolution.

But once the crown has truly been removed from the McLaren mantle, believe me when I say that the car that will win every single one of the million annual "Best Cars Ever Made" competitions will no longer be the Miuras or F40s or SL300s.

And that is, I'd like to think, why we come here.

Tests like the Carrera GT vs the F1 are curiosities at best - I honestly think the practical case for tests of modern cars against the F1 become less and less relevant (notwithstanding the fact that F1s are rare and precious, and these tests generally involve risky driving!).

My two cents.

After some research I'm quite sure that this is car #047
The same car another car magazine used for their test back in 2003!

BTW:
Here you can find some pics from that particular test

http://www.autozeitung.de/index.php?page=faszination_auto&action=detail&id=519&tb=0&current=1

just press the "XXL-Bild" button

The interior matches 047, so i'm guessing it is

I understand the car was from the BMW Collection.

Hi Joe- Just wondering how sure of this you are? It would be nice to be able to ID the car from the BMW collection as #047 since it seems fairly obvious to most of us that the car in these pictures is that chassis.

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ER

Hi Joe- Just wondering how sure of this you are? It would be nice to be able to ID the car from the BMW collection as #047 since it seems fairly obvious to most of us that the car in these pictures is that chassis.

I cannot be 100% sure - but I understand that it is. Also - look at the car, the lack of plates (or marks from where the plates would go), the mileage ... it is a museum piece - QED, the BMW Collection.

I cannot be 100% sure - but I understand that it is. Also - look at the car, the lack of plates (or marks from where the plates would go), the mileage ... it is a museum piece - QED, the BMW Collection.
The car has been in other tests WITH plates

Ok - I appreciate the info. We'll consider it such until other info proves that wrong. Thanks!

BTW: In one previous magazine test where the car was specifically identified as #047, it did wear a German plate which can be seen in this shot:

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9403/mclarenf1roadgrayapru11qs.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mclarenf1roadgrayapru11qs.jpg)

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Ok - I appreciate the info. We'll consider it such until other info proves that wrong. Thanks!

BTW: In one previous magazine test where the car was specifically identified as #047, it did wear a German plate which can be seen in this shot:

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9403/mclarenf1roadgrayapru11qs.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mclarenf1roadgrayapru11qs.jpg)

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ER

The plate in the picture is not a standard road car plate but one for cars which have not been registered - the reason could be a temporary ownersuch as a garage or tax needing to be paid etc.

[QUOTE=Jimmyc]The plate in the picture is not a standard road car plate but one for cars which have not been registered - the reason could be a temporary ownersuch as a garage or tax needing to be paid etc. The first letter M does refer to Munich - the home of BMW

Yup, it's a German trade plate.