Camaro Concept

Don't know if this has already been posted a 1000 times yet, but I just found it. Looks like they are going to use the sorry ass Holden platform again as with the GTO. Another legend ruined.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9385/1120109futcamarolead2mk.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9043/1120109futcamaro3lead4ro.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1356/1120109futcamaro2lead8dp.jpg

This one doesn't look look a rumor, and yeah they look like the gto, which handles nicely I might add.

I like the one in the middle and I like the fact that they kept the wrap around light up top

The bottom one reminds me of an Aston Martin.....I kinda like it

holley hell somebody found something we havent seen in here 1billion times....hell i like them all, and holden isnt sorry at all the gto is the shit..even though it took some time to grow on me, but those would be nice if ever made. damn good job man i was about to throw the jack off flag at u but ill give u the 6 points instead

I think i have saw those pictures somewhere before on a website that said the camaro is to return in 2007, if that happens or not we will see!! I personally LOVE the middle pic because it brings back the first generation look!!!

Well, now that I have looked at the pics a little longer, the blue one looks pretty damn good.

If they are smart and finally decide to bring it back they will more than likely use the Monaro/GTO body/platform to save a few bucks. If GM doesn't pinch pennies too much (like just changing the badges from GTO to Camaro) it will be great. For example, don't carry over the bubbled rear window as on the GTO. Make the Camaro it's own car with it's own styling.

But it's just gonna be hard to make a better looking Camaro than the last generation.

While were talkin' about GTO's I wanted to throw up this old concept pic from 1988. Notice the wheels.

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/6797/88gto1te.jpg

[QUOTE=Automobile Maniac]Well, I guess the blue one looks pretty good. QUOTE]

i agree i like the blue one the best....the top pic from the back kinda reminds me of a cross between a cavy and a crossfire and the bottom reminds me even more of a sebring than the 98-02's did....god i really hope if there is any truth to a camaro returning that it doesnt look like those pics.

um yea the motor trend pics (at least the red one) are only from 2001 or 2002....


READ THE STICKYS ABOUT THE "CONCEPTS"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

The first one is very reminiscent of an RX8 in my opinion, not a real big fan of it...

The second one's front end reminds me of the 94 Callway Camaro C8...
http://www.camarohighway.com/images/4thGen/94clwyc8.jpg

I don't really like it, it needs to have a more boxy front end like the 05 Mustang, or like this concept pic:
http://www.carsbykris.com/gallery/rawimages/PHRNewCamaro1.jpg

And in the third, since I used to race nitro RC cars, I can't help but think of the Pro-Line Crowd Pleazer 1/10 sedan body...
http://www.rchobbies.com.au/store/images/prol313700.jpg

And as for that 88 GTO concept... :puke:

The top one looks too much like a cavalier. Yea the holden cars are really sweet. What happened to that video of the impala or caprice? The guy took it out on a course and they have alot of power and handle good too.

HSV is Holden's performance division and here is a video from a year or two ago of an HSV sedan with an LS1. They now use an LS2 from the new Corvette.

http://www.hsv.com.au/cars/vy2/video/premiere.wmv


this is the video

that 88 GTO concept looks just like the Buick Reatta.

That 80s GTO concept looks like an early 4th gen Firebird.. amazing.

Anyway, I like the middle blue one, it looks cool, but I wish that if they do come out with a new Camaro that it looks like the first gen ones we've been seeing, but one can only hope. Also Holden = the shit, so I dont mind their cars.

I like the red one...

The blue one looks nice. It'd be great if Gm really did bring it back, the cobalt is a great car, but it is no camaro.

that video was cooler than a polar bears left foot. i wanna drive my car like that..daaaaaamn. and i cant remember who said it will be hard to make the 5th gen maro better than the last 4th gens i have to be on the other side of that boat. the ls1 style camaros sucked ass when it came to looks. this is why i decided to spent my money on the ls1 engine instead of buying a ls1 car like everyone told me to do. those front light covers are just gay! it killed the cars aggressive look when they put the seabring lights on our cars. when im at a light and a ls1 camaro is accross from me at first glance (mostly at night) it looks like a damn seabring. i hated what the front end of that car went to, i feel the TA did best when they added the ls1 and didnt fuck up the cars look. those concepts are all cool, and i would buy any of the 3.

You know philly, thats the same thing I always thought aswell. Whenever i was at a light or driving and i took a quick glance at a sebring, at 1st i would think it's a camaro. But then the very discouragin truth came, realizing it was only a sebring. Pontiac did it right with the trans am, i agree. They look like exotics to me. Gotta be the hood! Btw philly, are things cool down there where you at? I was watching the news this morning and it looked pretty bad.

niiiiiiice other 98+ camaro haters hahaha

i hope for the 5th gen, that they bring back the raised rear fenders, or "hips" as I call em.the only thing i dont like about the fourth gens is that its just like a straight line from the front to the rear. did that make any sense?

the main thing i hope for is HIDEAWAY HEAD LIGHTS!! i still dont believe there will be another camaro in production but im not gonna give up hope....like ac/dc's new album....its been 6 years but i can still hope!

yeah we are cool here in tampa, it just rained for 3 hrs and was windy. like a normal storm..they closed the city though and i got the day off to play socom online and a little madden so it was all good. and pop up head lights are a no no....its cool for the TA because they have been doing it 4 ever. camaro and pop up headlights is a bit to redneck for a brother....im not down with it at all. i didnt like them on the eclipse when i was into them big and im damn sure not into them on my camaro...but i would buy a 01 ws6....and yes that hood is the ish on that car! wish we could have done a bit better on the 98 and newer models those headlights are not cool at all! like i said i rather pay 7-10 grand on the swap before i buy a ls1 camaro..the lt1 style 4th gens are the best..and the 3rd gens are sweet 2 because the iroc was my love as a kid

pop up head lights are a no no....its cool for the TA because they have been doing it 4 ever. camaro and pop up headlights is a bit to redneck for a brother....im not down with it at all.

nooo i dont want pop up headlights either...but i like the first gen hide away head lights...that would be the main thing i would want as far as looks

i dont remember the hideaway one's i need a pic od this...que in john.....pic please

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/2968281stgen.jpg

there ya go....hope it helps some

bullshit. Make it look like a 70, and put a damned 454 in it, a 6 speed and no friggin computers... (posting new thread on that).

bullshit. Make it look like a 70, and put a damned 454 in it, a 6 speed and no friggin computers... (posting new thread on that).

I would love it if the front of the new Camaro looked like the 60s one.. the back lights of a 2nd gen (Either the Vette round lights, I would hope but the grid would be alright too) 3rd gen styling with the hatch and windows and 4th gen styling on the rest of the body. Ohh yeah thats the new Camaro.

bullshit. Make it look like a 70, and put a damned 454 in it, a 6 speed and no friggin computers... (posting new thread on that).
amen :sunglasse

the computers do nothing but help you make the engine perform at its absolute peak... if you got rid of them you'd have a carbed car... putting a carb on a brand new car would just be stupid

Why, what's wrong with a carbed car? When you want more performance you switch over to a carb, at least that's what I've always heard. Pro-race cars don't use EFI do they???


Computers do more than that... OnStar, etc... They can shut your damned car down. Happened to my Wife's boss. His kid stole his Mercedes, and the Police had the vehicle shut down to end the chase.

no sir, that used to be rule of thumb in the early days of fuel injection... simply because the injection computers were hard to tune with... however now fuel injection is worlds ahead of carbs... in some competitive racing, carbs are used because with them it is easier to limit the car from becoming too powerful and possibly killing people... at least thats the reason they use them in nascar... carbs are simpler to use i'll give you that... but efi is more efficient, more accurate, and in many cases can be more reliable... plus if gm came out with a carb car, it wouldn't pass smog, without computers

top fuel dragsters (the ones that run 4sec 1/4 at over 300mph) are fuel injected...

they do like 32 GALLONS to the MILE

Soooooo... I should be looking to convert Red Death over to EFI????

if you wanted... it would be more efficient, more tunable, and could prolly get you a few ponies... but if i were you i wouldn't worry about it much... besides efi kits are really expensive... carbs aren't bad, they just aren't as good...

they do like 32 GALLONS to the MILE

haha, they chug more than that!! they use almost 20 gal of nitro by the end of the 1/4 mile...

damn, well that was from one drag racing announcer or something I was listening to a while ago.

Jim, how about you concentrate on getting Red Death running before EFI

here's a few more things about drag cars...

and i was wrong about the amount of fuel...

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One dragster's 500-inch Hemi makes more horsepower then the first 8 rows at Daytona. Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1 1/2 gallons of nitro per second, the same rate of fuel consumption as a fully loaded 747, but with 4times the energy volume.

The supercharger takes more power to drive then a stock hemi makes.

Even with nearly 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into nearly-solid form before ignition.

Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock.

Dual magnetos apply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.

At stoichiometric (exact) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture (for nitro), the flame front of nitro methane measures 7050 degrees F.

Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.

Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting off it's fuel flow.

If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in those cylinders and then explodes with a force that can blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or blow the block in half.

Dragsters twist the crank (torsionally) so far (20 degrees in the big end of the track) that sometimes cam lobes are ground offset from front to rear to re-phase the valve timing somewhere closer to synchronization with the pistons.
To exceed 300mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate at an average of over 4G's. But in reaching 200 mph well before 1/2 track, launch acceleration is closer to 8G's.

If all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs $1000.00 per second.

Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have read this sentence. * Top Fuel Engines ONLY turn 540 revolutions from light to light!

The redline is actually quite high at 9500rpm.

To give you an idea of this acceleration, the current TF dragster elapsed time record is 4.477 seconds for the quarter mile. This means that you could be coming across the starting line in your average Lingenfelter powered "twin-turbo" Corvette at 200 mph (on a FLYING START) and the dragster would BEAT you to the finish line FROM A DEAD STOP in a quarter mile distance!

Well... if EFI smooths out all the bullshit that's wrong with it... Like the fucking carb, etc...

Drivingstorm... Wow... Thx for all that info Thats crazy man... Dragsters are no joke.

Jim. Good point, consider it :D

sweet

post whore philly

the red one looks like the new ferrari imola

Well... if EFI smooths out all the bullshit that's wrong with it... Like the fucking carb, etc...

Well converting a carb to EFI isnt that cheap but it's doable and in the end it will be alot better when it comes to gas, but with a 454.. its not like you can expect much, but you'll get more MPG than before, and you'll be able to get out more ponies and wont have to constantly tune it like a carb.

GM has revived rwd plans

GM reverses course, says revised version of Zeta rear-drive architecture is back on track

Automotive News

9/12/05

DETROIT - Six months after General Motors halted plans to use its Zeta rear-wheel-drive car architecture in North America, the company has revived the program.

In an interview with Automotive News last week, Jim Queen, GM's vice president of global engineering, said a revised version of Zeta is back on track.

Engineered at GM's Holden subsidiary in Australia, Zeta was expected to be the basis of the next-generation Pontiac Grand Prix and GTO; the Chevrolet Impala, Monte Carlo and a new version of the Camaro; and other vehicles. Vehicles in the program were expected to debut as early as 2006.

Queen did not discuss vehicles on the new version of Zeta or timing. Some vehicles that could be in the Zeta program include the next-generation Pontiac GTO as well as a Chevrolet coupe and sedans. They could debut by the 2009 or 2010 model year, say one company source and one industry analyst.

Queen said initial plans for Zeta stretched the architecture beyond its limits for some North American vehicles. "We needed to reassess and reconfigure the program," he said.

"As we started counting who was in and who was out of Zeta, we realized too late" that Zeta would not work in North America, Queen said.

Part of GM's reasoning in slowing Zeta's development was to focus on pulling forward its full-sized SUVs and pickups. GM's next-generation SUVs will debut early next year.

At the time, GM Vice Chairman Robert Lutz wrote on GM's FastLane blog that GM had "canceled & plans to build rear-wheel-drive vehicles off the Zeta architecture."

"But that does not mean we've canceled plans to build rear-drive vehicles altogether," Lutz wrote. "We are simply reallocating resources (human and financial) to pull some other programs ahead and get other vehicles to market sooner."

The revised Zeta program is being developed in GM's Australian engineering center. The vehicle line executive on the program is Gene Stefanyshyn, the former vehicle line executive for GM's Epsilon, or mid-sized cars, in North America.

A GM spokesman said no product plans have been approved and that GM still is studying design themes, performance characteristics and variants for Zeta vehicles.

GM uses the term "architecture" to signify a common set of components, performance characteristics, a common manufacturing process, a range of dimensions and connecting points for key component systems.

(end of article)

The reason why I think the next generation Pontiac GTO (and/or Firebird) won't have retro styling is because Michael Simcoe, GM's executive director of body frame integral design, makes a small statement about it in the article below.

Buick plans lineup expansion; rear-wheel-drive premium vehicles to be featured

JASON STEIN | Automotive News

Posted Date: 12/20/04

DETROIT -- General Motors' next rear-wheel-drive premium vehicles will expand Buick's product line significantly and give consumers more options - sporty cars and comfy sedans.

Michael Simcoe, GM's new executive director of body frame integral design, says the automaker's new Zeta architecture will extend Buick's product portfolio.

"We will play at both ends," Simcoe says. "We can have prestigious luxury and prestigious sport."

Within two years, Zeta will debut on a Buick sedan. A coupe and possibly a convertible will follow.

Simcoe says Zeta, which will be engineered by GM's Australian subsidiary Holden Ltd., will be a key component in GM's overall strategy for global products.

Simcoe should know. Before being appointed to his position on Aug. 1, Simcoe was executive director for design in GM's Asia-Pacific region. He was responsible for the design strategy at GM Daewoo Auto & Technology Co. and Holden.

Zeta is an evolution in the way GM thinks about product development, he says.

"Zeta is the classic case of GM seeing an architecture around the globe," Simcoe says. "The way it used to work was if it wasn't North American, it wasn't appropriate.

"But there is a lot of potential there with Zeta. There is freedom to do more."

As such, Zeta will offer that freedom to GM's product planners."We are getting encouragement coming from all sides to do as much as we can with it in terms of flexibility," Simcoe says. "That means more variants and more ability to move up and down when it comes to price."

Zeta will debut with Pontiac in the next-generation GTO - but the design won't be retro, he says.

"I wouldn't want retro," Simcoe says. "What the market wants is something that will stand out."

GM uses the term architecture to signify a common set of components, performance characteristics, a common manufacturing process, a range of dimensions and connecting points for key component systems.

(end of article)

GM should use styling from the 2007 Saturn Sky and the 2006 Pontiac Solstice.

check these links

2006 Pontiac Solstice (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=377526)

2007 Saturn Sky (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=379645)

:iamwithst what he said....pretty well sums it up

Well I didnt read that above article, I will later, but judging from what the big bold letters said.. sounds pretty good. Also about Buick.. I think that they're about to go soon, sad but I mean look at their lineup..