5 spd vs Auto

OMG i seriously started this thread like last year and people are still arguing about this. OK i was the first to say that 5spd is better and of course i have a 5spd. In the past whatever months i have looked a lot into this subject and have come to this conclusion.....hopefully this will end all this madness.

automatic is better when your pushing like 400hp to the ground
for low amounts of hp 5 spd is better
but there are exceptions:
2006 Corvette Z06 has 505 to the flywheel and only comes in 6 spd manual transmissions (ohh and by the way that car acctually has 530something but they put 505 for some reason)
in another case there was a generation of Trans ams where the auto and the manuals ran the exact same time in the 1/4 mile.

hopefully this thread will finally be able to sleep

4dr 'fire 2.4l
AUTO
Why?
cause thats what I got.
took the car over from my parents, it's my runabout, i get tired of shifting at every fucking light. my truck is a 5-spd. fun, but I don't like city driving that much, having to shift all the time, plus I never have to take my hand off my fiancee to shift.
thats my :2cents:

Considering the poop facture of this thread rearing its ugly head all over again Ill take who gives a rats ass for $1000 alex.

A car is a car. Frankly unless you have some kind of a jet engine tac welded to your trunk or even just something to make my wang twitch a little no one cares if its a 5spd auto or you flintstones your ass down the road with your feet. Its a car get over it and let this thing die.

I call for a lock...anyone else in on that?

go for it.
it's near 1 Am after ST. Pats here.:disappoin
I'm tired and not at my peak.
calm down big guy

lol dont lock it its the NEVER ENDING THREAD!!!

why lock a thread thats still getting posts?:screwy:
as long as it stays on topic and non-violent there really is no reason to lock it

lol, kinda reminds me of that song from monty python.. but different...

"this is the post that never ends..
and it goes on and on my friends..
people started reading it not knowing what it was.
and now this post just goes forever and it's just because;"
[start over at the top]

btw, i own a 95 cavy z24 auto.. cant find a manual around here.. it's a hell of alot faster than what my 95 geo prizm 1.6l was.. good enough for me :screwy:

lol, kinda reminds me of that song from monty python.. but different...

"this is the post that never ends..
and it goes on and on my friends..
people started reading it not knowing what it was.
and now this post just goes forever and it's just because;"
[start over at the top]

btw, i own a 95 cavy z24 auto.. cant find a manual around here.. it's a hell of alot faster than what my 95 geo prizm 1.6l was.. good enough for me :screwy:
why would you compare a z24 to a prism :screwy:

cuz prism's r the shit...lol

well, you cant kill them. i sold mine only because i couldnt stand how slow it was anymore. the engine just wouldnt die. it ran so good i couldnt stand it. it never let me down, and probably wont let the other guy down that i sold it to. just a damn good car.

I Drive a standard just because it gives me somthing to do while driving and lets you control your power better.

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I think I spend most of the 10 mins that I am on this site just reading posts like this..... ah the fun times

THIS FORUM WILL NEVER END MUHAHAHAHA the continous fight between auto and manual....hehe!! a never ending story!! all i have to say...its ur choise...but still manual is more fun and givs more power if u have a good clutch and u know how to use it(a week of practic to get use to ur new clutch and ull se a huge diff between that and an automatic...specialy for the lag it has at start and when it changes the speed!!)

$40 shift kit of my auto. Garentee you can't shift half as fast as it. Done tried many many many times with the wife's car. She has a good clutch but everytime I drive that thing hard it heats up to much. POS dsm's lol

Lol going on 6 pages already, Automatic > Standard

And no im not biased.

And no im not biased.

A post-modern impossibility.

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My view of this discussion

Dude, is that a gay carebear?

HELL...YES! lol :werd:

A post-modern impossibility.
How so? Ive driven both plenty, ive raced faster cars than me and won cuz auto u just dump it and it goes, dont have to worry about undershifts, overshifts, or missing alltogether..

I dunno what it is but a gay carebear sounds good.

Power and everything else aside...

The main advantage of owning a 5-speed...

Jump starts, rolling starts, push offs, whatever you want to call it, just can't be done in an auto. Being stuck with a perfectly fine running car and just not being able to start it to get it somewhere to fix it, really blows, I will not buy another auto...

The gay carebear has brothers.

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The gay carebear has brothers.

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Holy christ!! Now that is some funny stuff.:lol:

Ha Ha More gay shit
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how is that auto shift kit Cav2000? Is it the same one that's on Gravanatuning.com? I was looking into getting that. What's it like?

Shit you are going to make me remember. It's a B&M but of course they don't make them for cavalier's but there is one that works with cavalier's. Works great, just throws my tracking off. It was like $40 and took 30 secs to install. it take the pressure of the tranny fluid and increases it. There is off which is normal driving and then stage one which is faster shifting and the stage 2 which shifts hard and fast, chirps the tires on my car a WOT.

Here you go
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=41&i=4376&t=4376

here's pricing
Car Customs/Auto Trans Interceptor - P/N: AT-33790 - Price $129.95 Free Shipping
Car Customs/B & M Shift Plus - P/N: BM-70380 - Price $45.00 Free Shipping

Both the same just the auto trans is not in car adjustable you have to reach under the hood and adjust it. It is on all the time. The b & m you can turn on and off as you please.
(So when you wife gets in and HATES the car shifting hard you can turn it off)

One more thing the b&m only work on the 4 speed

You forgot that you can higher the selection stage with no problems while the car is running but in order to lower the selection setting the car must be turned off and then back on for it to take effect.

I drive 24/7 on stage 1 but when I feel like messing around late at night on stage 2 my method is to switch it back to stage 1 pop it in nutral turn the car off and the back on. Takes a few seconds at most and you are back in action in no time.

Stage 2 is just too damn rough for every day stop and go driving.

You forgot that you can higher the selection stage with no problems while the car is running but in order to lower the selection setting the car must be turned off and then back on for it to take effect.

I drive 24/7 on stage 1 but when I feel like messing around late at night on stage 2 my method is to switch it back to stage 1 pop it in nutral turn the car off and the back on. Takes a few seconds at most and you are back in action in no time.

Stage 2 is just too damn rough for every day stop and go driving.
Just wondering, is it any harder on the transmission to have it higher staged? Like you said stage 2 is rougher than 1, I know it will push out better performance but is it harder on the tranny? Thnx

Yea i forgot about turning it off. They say it is actually better for your tranny to shift faster. I've had my shift kit of MANY miles and my tranny has close to 190,000 miles on it and i've never touched it. Not even the fluid. I use the stage 2 when times are right... like the little fucked up honda this morning
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Yea i forgot about turning it off. They say it is actually better for your tranny to shift faster. I've had my shift kit of MANY miles and my tranny has close to 190,000 miles on it and i've never touched it. Not even the fluid. I use the stage 2 when times are right... like the little fucked up honda this morning
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Haha awesome! I was just reading about that actually, sounds fun :)
How do u adjust the stages tho, u gotta go under the hood or can u have a controller? My next car im gettin one for sure :D

one highly overlooked part of this thread i think is the price difference...manuals are cheaper!!

one highly overlooked part of this thread i think is the price difference...manuals are cheaper!!

Hush for now but to rebut stick has less value at car lots cause alot of people can't drive them.

And there is a switch with the kit. If i can find a pic i will post it

Stage 2 is only really for the track and when you are trying to prove a point on the street. Stage 2 really needs a higher rpm shift to work well. Any low rpm shifting is way too rough on the tranny. Think of it as the same feeling of trying to shift into second gear in a manual at like 3rpm. Its just rough.

Couldn't of said it better myself

5 spd. so much more fun. i had to drive my moms automatic wagon for like a month while my car was in the shop and i was so bored

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Thats wicked.. I cant wait actually :iceslolan

What's the difference between the B&m Auto shift kit for $45 and the Autotrans interceptor for $145...aside from the price. Can you install both?

yea the autotrans is a connect right to the plug and you cannot adjust it from inside the car, were the b&m you can. The autotrans just plug and play and the b&m you have to wire in. Two wire set-up. It's really easy

So it does the same thing? Is it possible to install both? Would it make it even better?

no, that would not make it even better

So it does the same thing? Is it possible to install both? Would it make it even better?
Having them both on would just cost alot and be a cluster fuck.

So all in all the $45 B&M would be the better way to go.

Yes.

I have a auto 4 speed up sied wide gear raito,this is shifting 1st 2nd drive on over drive.
1st 0- 40mph,45 tachs it out
2nd 40-70mph
3ed (passing gear)or drive 70-90mph
4th 90-110 then my car drops to 105mph.
The down side its an auto damn rev -limeters.I would kill for a 5 speed i miss all my 5 speeds.95Probe GT,92 camaro 25th anversey w/ 383 stroker & 92 egeal talon dl.Over all 5 speed wins!!

5 speeds have rev limiters too....

Alright way to bring up a 5 MONTH old thread and do it with the biggest damn font too!!
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Hey, thats sounds like a good idea:icon16:

Hey, thats sounds like a good idea:icon16: http://www.johnberman.com/pics/funny/thisjustin_yousuck.JPG

well I have drove many cars that are auto and 5spd. Same cars. I can say that I would go with a stick anyday. Never will I waste my time with auto. The five speeds have rev limiters but you can push it to limit everytime always. Auto thats not always the case get the retart shift at like 5 grand. Yeah but I have a buddy who works for a shop and races a olds cutlass surpreme not street legal and he swears by a auto shifting faster and being better. Depends on who you are.

.....can't you get as many revs in an auto if you manually shift it? :screwy: And from what I understand, if you get polyurethane motor mounts and the B&M Shift plus for autos, you're just as good as a well experienced person with a standard if not better.

A computer will always be able to shift faster than a human end of story. For 1/4 mile AT will own anyday even the funny cars and things like that use AT but for autoX MT would be better because you can control your own shifts going around turns and what not.

Autos are better on boost. ;-)... with the B&M shift plus, in a race the auto will also put the manual to shame mod 4 mod with a good driver. Seen it happen over and over again.