you think YOUR garage is nice???

that dude is a tool... a circular table to make cars easier to park, isn't that what steering wheels are for? maybe im just dumb.. but I park a shitload of cars and trucks in tight spaces at work all day and I have no problem with it. Besides how tight is he going to make it, I hope that dumbass pulls in so many of his leased badass cars that he can't open up the door to get out on the last one he parks for being a moron.

I love the F40.... F40 ownz everything, that is like the pimpest ride there is from a factory. If I was a millionaire... F40 would be my european supercar for sure!

F40>Enzo>F50>Dino

kinda funny he has all the expensive shit and its never used. All the tools are in trays and all shiny, nothing looks like its ever been touched... its an all show garage...no go. Plus if I had a lot of money, company owner or not, my shit would be filled with Snap-on and MAC tools, I haven't come across better tools yet. Who wants to round off a fastener on a f'n ferrari? I guess if it was your ferrari you would have the money to buy some new fasteners from your mistakes though.

THAT dude is a tool?? are you blind or did you miss the ferrari engine he had out?? clean, shiny tools?? yeah, cause he cleans them like every mechanic should.. maybe more than most but whats wrong with that? and whats wrong with organization? and you talk about all his 'leased' cars then go on to say "well if i had a billion dollars..." for some odd reason, i don't think this guy is leasing all those cars. if he can afford to have them all and insure them all, not to mention work on them in a garage like the one he has, he's probably got a few dollars in his bank account.
all show garage? are you calling him a ricer mechanic?? he does use it but it IS also for show. i think the rotating thing is so hollywood. i wouldn't be surprised if we saw his house in a movie.
i was expecting a little more intelligence out of you

dude I am a professional mechanic

that guy is DEFINTELY a "ricer mechanic"

good term BTW

you go through any mechanics tool box or work cart at my shop and everything is a mess, your lucky to have a good enough day when everything is put back properly

90% of our tools would be dirty, the other 10 we don't use often LOL

i can vouge for that. No one cleans there tools lol. Visit a body shop..... Like he does anyways....prolly his servants do just cuz he's rich as shit.

But i wouldnt call him a ricer mechanic. he has money and he uses it. We all would.

dude I am a professional mechanic

Hey! No Shit? because you only say that every 10 posts.



you go through any mechanics tool box or work cart at my shop and everything is a mess, your lucky to have a good enough day when everything is put back properly

90% of our tools would be dirty, the other 10 we don't use often LOL

Uhh... Your fucking stupid.

have you ever seen pictures of the inside of an ALMS work shop? or even a high dollar SCCA team? Everything is Immaculate and in place. why? because everything goes smoother when things are in their place and not greasy as shit. Just because Joe's Tranny shop in Po-Dunk Flordia doesnt keep their shit clean doesnt mean good mechanics have to.

Yea, my tools are a mess. And I have to look for them constantly..

If I was rich, I would just want a complete box with a place for everything and a LOT of table space. One thing you can never have too much of. Well shit, I'd just like a real lift. Just one that lifts from each side of the vehicle would do.

Oh, and I want more rags! Every one is dirty somehow. And you get the shitty ones sometimes that leave fiber everywhere so they are useless for anything remotely precise.

And Fuck a servant. I'm doing everything with a few select friends.

Now that thats out of the way...


That garage is nice as hell even though it is a showroom garage (some of the ammenitys are kinda wack).

TV above the dyno? err... FAIL.
Sissypants wood working sectioin... FAIL

I'd like to have a toned down version of that someday over the rainbow though.

Who else wants air conditioning in their shop?

thats because there so high dollar they don't have anything better to do with their tools then clean, polish them, and put them in proper place instead of using them.

and dude, those guys aren't the best mechanics in the world. You really are out of touch with reality about working on cars, seriously man im not just saying that to bust your chops. You think every ma and pah mechanic shop are backwoods hillbillies with no education who can't do anything right. You got every part right besides the accomplishments part. The reality of it is, we have to work on a variety of cars, I have to know about 20 transmissions when they only have 1 to work on. I have to know how to work on them and take it all apart, which each one is different, and they work on just one. An educated person in the automotive field would say the person with the broader experience is the better mechanic.

Seen pictures? Dude i've been to more automotive places then you've seen pictures of. I've been around this my ENTIRE life, I can remeber taking apart a corvette transmission when I was 9 with the help of my dad lol. Seen pictures of race shops? How about actually being at numerous ones and knowing the mechanics.. I know a few tuner shops as well that are VERY high end professional, and they are the same as our shop. Lots of dirty tools and lots of parts and equiptment laying around cluttering stuff up, because thats just shit you need and use to ACTUALLY get shit done and work on cars. If you were really in the shit you would know the real deal.... just like the corvette transmission R.W..............

That garage that dude has is probably for some faggy TV makeover show or house show... that is completely show off rice and no go.

If you were really in the shit you would know the real deal.... just like the corvette transmission R.W..............


Yeah... I just just bow to you right now...

It would be so fun to search for Air Conditioning Vacuum lines on my 240.

I could think that The KA head is better than the SRs on the Basis that the RB uses the same Cam on Bucket Setup.

And I would save so much money thinking that shocks and springs are better than coilovers.

I could tell people that square sidewalls belong in the trash and to put a 275 on an 8J Rim. and then post pics of my wrecked car to show how awsome it is.

I could think that the LT1 is gods gift to man because damnit, LT1 Power thinks so and hes a mechanic.



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Quit acting like your the end all of the mechanic world just becuase you passed the SAE test and can look up diagrams on the shop computer.

Its not so much that I think your untalented or unknowledgeable. Its just every time someone comes in with something different than what you like you get all fucking high and mighty and say "blah blah I work in a shop so I know more than anyone on an ALMS team."

Good Teams get their shit dirty too. the difference is they clean it and put it back where it belongs. you act like your the only one here thats been in a shop. uhh no. Ive seen plenty of grassroots guys with their orignally badass toolsets with mix and match bullshit, and dirty, rusted, gunked up crap tools all over it.


Once again, I know how it is. my shits not pristine either, but Im not the one trashing on the people that do it right.

I could think that The KA head is better than the SRs on the Basis that the RB uses the same Cam on Bucket Setup.





I just wonder why you think the SR head is so marvelous? And lets not jerk me off with flow numbers, because that is pretty irrelevant actually. See when I see something I like, its not because it has these badass stats, I base my choices on design.

How good do things work, hold up, how could it be improved. What parts are weak, prone to failure, or catostrophic damage. Is it easy to work on and use quality parts and sealing systems.

The SR head is not without its fair share of problems, there are even aftermarket parts to put a lil band aid on the valvetrain. The Camshafts on that engine suck, I just don't like them to be honest with you. First off there are no bearings, this go against my rules here, it is not easily serviceable, it is prone to failure....... That shit sucks man, you would really think they would get with it on the SR series motors. Then there are the rocker arms. Now these almost work like that ancient old technology pushrod v8 shit you guys hate. The only real difference in the operation is the pushrod engine has the pushrod being moved by the cam which moves the rocker. The SR20 just has the cam right on the rocker, eliminating the pushrod piece.

But I think it gets worse. Besides having no cam bearings, you now have cams up high on the engine, making a higher center of gravity, and on a v engine a much wider less compact, heavier engine. More oil has to be supplied higher in the engine to lubricate the higher friction and heat up by the combustion chambers. This leads me to one other problem. With the same rocker action and valve movement as a pushrod v8 sbc that sucks with all these new technology import fanatics.... you now have to power those cams. This requires a more massive, longer chain that is also put against tensioners. This creates more drag on the crankshaft then a sbc timing set. So those cams have some problems and drawbacks for something that really isn't even primo. And that is just the mechanical operation of the heads, something I personally consider important, maybe you don't.

It is also a good idea to run metal headgaskets on SR's... lol

I really do not think they are a tank of an engine that lasts forever. Many don't have a lot of miles from japan, or get a lot in the states. Many of them get rebuilt as soon as being put in or soon on down the line. Many blow up. They really don't last long, I consider long 250,000+ miles... They usually reply it is because of the turbocharger, then why use a turbo? So why not use an engine with more power, less stress, better reliabilty, better durability, can easily last 250-300k+ miles, and if you want to get serious, is stronger and will make more power.

Thats how I look at things R.W., thats why I like sbc's. I look at it from a mechanical operation point of view. Im not some domestic asshole who always pisses on ricers and grew up in the hills of west virginia... I don't hate a honda just because its japanese, I just like that engine. I don't like small block fords or mopars nearly as much. Now just because I like an engine that doesn't fit into the normal category for the import crew I can't like and drive 240sx's? I can't have anything to do with 240sx's? I can't talk about 240sx's and all things relevant to them, and believe me v8's are very relevant to 240sx's. Just wait for some high roller to make up a badass v8 powered 240sx. I don't think its going to be my job. Wait wil they put a nice mild 350hp or so LS-1 that will run forever everyday with nice deep wide wheels and tires, good coilovers, big brakes, chassis mods, suspension mods, LSD... wait til somebody takes a machine like that to a competition and some magazines cover it. I promise it will break many people's hearts. Some people just won't like it because it might be a little better then theres and its not so kosher. People have done this in other smaller imported cars with GREAT succes. That leads me to a conclusion a setup like that makes a 240sx fast as fuck around a race track and pretty f'n badass in my eyes. The eyes of a 240sx enthusiast.

If you don't think that shit belongs here, take your computer, and toss it into a body of water. It has just as much right here as talk of a sr20det or rb engine does. Anyone who says otherwise is an unfair asshole PERIOD

P.S. here is your kleenex

also go ahead R.W. take each little line apart in a quote and try to find something wrong with it or that you can make fun of. Keep on being an asshole, maybe once u could just read something, think about it, absorb the material, and go on about your day without calling someone "fucking stupid" especially someone with half-way decent grammar and writing ability besides all else. The only thing that gets you, is being "fucking stupid" yourself buddy. Think about that one.

I just wonder why you think the SR head is so marvelous? And lets not jerk me off with flow numbers, because that is pretty irrelevant actually. See when I see something I like, its not because it has these badass stats, I base my choices on design.


If you based your choices of design then you could see why a group of engineers designed the head the way they did, but I guess thats why mechanics don't design engines.


The SR head is not without its fair share of problems, there are even aftermarket parts to put a lil band aid on the valvetrain. The Camshafts on that engine suck, I just don't like them to be honest with you. First off there are no bearings, this go against my rules here, it is not easily serviceable, it is prone to failure....... That shit sucks man, you would really think they would get with it on the SR series motors. Then there are the rocker arms. Now these almost work like that ancient old technology pushrod v8 shit you guys hate. The only real difference in the operation is the pushrod engine has the pushrod being moved by the cam which moves the rocker. The SR20 just has the cam right on the rocker, eliminating the pushrod piece.


You've got to be kidding me.

The SR doesn't need cam journal bearings, it has micropolished cam journals with steel camshafts in an aluminum head and the cam floats on an oil film. The RB26 engine sees upwards of 12000 RPM in drag applications without the usage of bearings. The KA doesn't even have bearings, neither does the VG, in fact, I can't think of one damn Nissan engine produced since the 80's that does have them.

The camshafts do not suck. Perhaps if you opened a physics book once in a while you will notice that the lobe design is wide to avoid hotspotting the rocker arm, and has the side benefit of reducing peak friction. The design is inheriantly tons more effective mechanically than the cam over bucket design in the KA. Simplistic? no, effective, yes.

Who cares if it's similar to the pushrod. Valve actuation isn't exactly rocket science.

The benefit to the SR's head over the KA's is that it can run a MUCH larger camshaft, and supports greater amounts of head flow via porting due to the port design (high port, long port) which reduces stagnation flows and produces excellent midrange and top end inlet mach numbers. Wonder why the KA can't hold a tall cam? It's because of it's cam over bucket design. The cam swept area is set, and the only way to increase that area is to machine the head for oversized buckets, and custom milled shims.


But I think it gets worse. Besides having no cam bearings, you now have cams up high on the engine, making a higher center of gravity, and on a v engine a much wider less compact, heavier engine. More oil has to be supplied higher in the engine to lubricate the higher friction and heat up by the combustion chambers. This leads me to one other problem. With the same rocker action and valve movement as a pushrod v8 sbc that sucks with all these new technology import fanatics.... you now have to power those cams. This requires a more massive, longer chain that is also put against tensioners. This creates more drag on the crankshaft then a sbc timing set. So those cams have some problems and drawbacks for something that really isn't even primo. And that is just the mechanical operation of the heads, something I personally consider important, maybe you don't.


LOL you are so picky about 15 lbs. of camshaft weight. How about we take a peak at your car. I bet I could put out a laundry list of shit that is hindering the handling performance (if you can even call it that) of your car. That is the most tinkerbell arguement I have ever heard lol.

The SR has a single chain that is lubricated, the KA has a twin chain that is lubricated. Gee I wonder which is less likely to produce friction. In fact, the SR chain more than likely has the same surface area of a V8 timing set, with only a few more contact points.

What about the windage, rotational inertia, main drag associated with a half countered crank, piston ring drag associated with twice the pistons. The V8 is a HORRIBLE place to start if you are talking about friction based losses. Good lord, what were you thinking when you thought to compare the two?


It is also a good idea to run metal headgaskets on SR's... lol


Lemme guess, your name is Confucious?

It's a good idea to run metal headgaskets on any engine that produces any respectable level of cylinder pressure.


I really do not think they are a tank of an engine that lasts forever. Many don't have a lot of miles from japan, or get a lot in the states. Many of them get rebuilt as soon as being put in or soon on down the line. Many blow up. They really don't last long, I consider long 250,000+ miles... They usually reply it is because of the turbocharger, then why use a turbo? So why not use an engine with more power, less stress, better reliabilty, better durability, can easily last 250-300k+ miles, and if you want to get serious, is stronger and will make more power.


You're right.

Sell your V8 for a turbo diesel Mercedes.


Thats how I look at things R.W., thats why I like sbc's. I look at it from a mechanical operation point of view. Im not some domestic asshole who always pisses on ricers and grew up in the hills of west virginia... I don't hate a honda just because its japanese, I just like that engine. I don't like small block fords or mopars nearly as much. Now just because I like an engine that doesn't fit into the normal category for the import crew I can't like and drive 240sx's? I can't have anything to do with 240sx's? I can't talk about 240sx's and all things relevant to them, and believe me v8's are very relevant to 240sx's. Just wait for some high roller to make up a badass v8 powered 240sx. I don't think its going to be my job. Wait wil they put a nice mild 350hp or so LS-1 that will run forever everyday with nice deep wide wheels and tires, good coilovers, big brakes, chassis mods, suspension mods, LSD... wait til somebody takes a machine like that to a competition and some magazines cover it. I promise it will break many people's hearts. Some people just won't like it because it might be a little better then theres and its not so kosher. People have done this in other smaller imported cars with GREAT succes. That leads me to a conclusion a setup like that makes a 240sx fast as fuck around a race track and pretty f'n badass in my eyes. The eyes of a 240sx enthusiast.


People have built V8 240s, hell I've known 2 here locally, and I worked on an S14 with an LT1. The fastest I've seen one go was 10.70's. Thats fast, but the car is nothing but a drag car (9" solid rear end, 408cid SBC, heads / cam, no alternator, etc.).

The LT1 car handles like shit, and never will handle well.

The limitations of the S-chassis in a road racing trim pretty much make a V8 a very give and take situation. You add weight to the car, and in the worse spot on the car. If you don't believe me, then buy a 240 and you'll soon find out.

If you were really in the shit you would know the real deal.... just like the corvette transmission R.W..............


Since when is working in the automotive industry Vietnam?

When customers walk back to your work area do you scream "Charlie's in the wire!"

also go ahead R.W. take each little line apart in a quote and try to find something wrong with it or that you can make fun of.

Alright.


Keep on being an asshole, maybe once u could just read something, think about it, absorb the material,

I absorb enough from Carrol Smith Books to be able to shut out a moron with LT1 Penis Envy


and go on about your day without calling someone "fucking stupid" especially someone with half-way decent grammar and writing ability besides all else. The only thing that gets
you, is being "fucking stupid" yourself buddy. Think about that one.

I may not know enough to get into flow stagnation and such like Nissan Eleitist but I know to shut the fuck up and listen rather than make shitty assumtions on old knowledge.

Cam Bearings - Honda B16 and K20 and the RB26 see over 15,000 and 12,000 respectively on a semi regular basis and have no reported problems. So they must have bearings? oh yeah... NOPE.

CG of a DOHC Motor? - W(hat) T(he) F(uck) X 1000000000

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first of all, you are an idiot if you think real mechanics tools are messy, dirty and unorganized. my tools at my house and my shop look like that guys box. and i use ALL of them OFTEN. every mechanic i know cleans and organizes his tools nearly every day. clean tools last longer, and organization helps work faster to make flatrate. but being the master mechanic you are, i assume you know all this.

I just wonder why you think the SR head is so marvelous?

i agree with this. the SR head is above average, but still a late 80s design. the late model roller-rockers help somewhat, as does VTC, but it still has only average flow

The Camshafts on that engine suck

your opinion

First off there are no bearings, this go against my rules here, it is not easily serviceable, it is prone to failure.......

ummm no. nissan's rules >*> your rules
it is very easy to work on and i have never heard of an SR blowing up because of head/valvetrain failure...

Then there are the rocker arms. Now these almost work like that ancient old technology pushrod v8 shit you guys hate. The only real difference in the operation is the pushrod engine has the pushrod being moved by the cam which moves the rocker. The SR20 just has the cam right on the rocker, eliminating the pushrod piece.

and the lifter.
...more efficient, simpler, eliminates parts that potentially fail, tell me how its more prone to failure

still though, for an engine designed ~ 1990 its decent.

you now have cams up high on the engine, making a higher center of gravity, and on a v engine a much wider less compact, heavier engine.

are you still talking about the SR? huh?

This leads me to one other problem. With the same rocker action and valve movement as a pushrod v8 sbc that sucks with all these new technology import fanatics.... you now have to power those cams. This requires a more massive, longer chain that is also put against tensioners. This creates more drag on the crankshaft then a sbc timing set.

almost a nice point but ummm you forgot to mention that the v8 chain is already larger and heavier than the SR chain. and any extra power loss taken up by the MASSIVE force a tensioner exerts on the chain is dwarfed by the extra mass of the pushrod/lifter assemblies that the cam has to lift

and dont even try and argue the "duuuhhhh one cam weighs less so....ummm 1 cam > 2 cams" i hope you are smarter than that

It is also a good idea to run metal headgaskets on SR's... lol


try doubling a pushrod v8 output on the stock v8 headgasket.
better yet, try doubling the output of a pushrod v8 period without total reinforcement of the valvetrain, bottom end, and more.

I really do not think they are a tank of an engine that lasts forever

they last longer than any v8 out there. period. and they can make much more power per liter, per cylinder, and be much more reliable at those power levels.

Many of them get rebuilt as soon as being put in or soon on down the line. Many blow up. They really don't last long, I consider long 250,000+ miles...

yeah...if its out, might as well rebuild it. youd do the same with a v8.
consider that a great deal of the people who put the motors in have a shop do it, and a huge percentage of the ones who blow their motors are ricers or rich kids who dont take good care of their motors. if v8s were treated the same, theyd blow too.

id get 250k out of any SR i owned. i drove my old SR powered sentra HARD(45k or so per year) and never had one problem with it, right up until it got rear ended at 130k

I look at it from a mechanical operation point of view.

no... you look at it from your point of view

also go ahead R.W. take each little line apart in a quote and try to find something wrong with it or that you can make fun of. Keep on being an asshole, maybe once u could just read something, think about it, absorb the material, and go on about your day without calling someone "fucking stupid" especially someone with half-way decent grammar and writing ability besides all else. The only thing that gets you, is being "fucking stupid" yourself buddy. Think about that one.

wow cuz thats a mature response. you need to realize that your point of view is purely formed from your own experiences and same with everyone else. your arguments however are more one sided and lacking any real basis of reference than RWs. you dont like mopar but in the 70s, the hemi straight OWNED all other v8s. period. better in every facet of design. still nowdays the new hemi uses *ahem* pent-roof combustion chambers(technology taken from imports) while the uberl33t ls6 uses ancient technology combustion chambers

please learn all sides of the issue before you try to make your point. it helps make you sound smarter

this thread sucked after 4 post and i didnt read it all so i might be repeating someones post but about his tools and all havent any on you ever heard of OCD obsessive compulsive disorder well its not a myth some people actually have it

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Hahahhhaahah

In Soviet Russia car drives you.

have you ever seen pictures of the inside of an ALMS work shop? or even a high dollar SCCA team? Everything is Immaculate and in place. why? because everything goes smoother when things are in their place and not greasy as shit. Just because Joe's Tranny shop in Po-Dunk Flordia doesnt keep their shit clean doesnt mean good mechanics have to.




and dude, those guys aren't the best mechanics in the world.




Yeah, they suck. That's why they work for a professional race team and you don't.

Hush up, you don't know jack. Stop wasting my bandwidth, and you're making baby Jesus cry with your banter on SR's.

I literally laughed out loud about your example on how a SR is top heavy cause it's got some cams at the top rather in the block like your LT1 motor.

My SR20DET when shipped to me weighed roughly 400lbs (stated on the shipping order) on the pallet. That included Motor with all accessories and manifolds, transmission, ECU, full wiring harness, and driveshaft.

The LT1 itself, weighs 525lbs with accesories, not including the heavy T56 manual transmission or 4L60E auto.

I don't care how much the two camshafts weigh... the whole package weighs less than your motor does by itself. So obviously... shut your face.

And stop talking like the LT1 is the wave of the future. Last I check, it was discontinued in '97. The SR was made up till '02 in the S15. Nissan must of done something right to keep it production for what? 13 years (1989-2002), compared to the LT1's short lived 5 year history (1992-1997.)

:rolleyes:

yea the LT1 if anything is a bit outdated, still running roller rockers, they should have continued the DOHC ZR1 or LT5 as you may know it, much better design and good power output. The s13 red and blacktops had a higher ported head than the S14 and S15 because there was no VTC so there was much more flow in the early generation sr20. Not saying the sr20 is perfect as it does have its weaknesses, but the lt1 is not the almight american engine so i wouldnt get too carried away.

And stop talking like the LT1 is the wave of the future. Last I check, it was discontinued in '97. The SR was made up till '02 in the S15. Nissan must of done something right to keep it production for what? 13 years (1989-2002), compared to the LT1's short lived 5 year history (1992-1997.)

The SR is still produced to date.

SR20VET lives on!

Long live the SR!

and back to topic.... that garage was pretty slick :)

Shut Your Face!

Indeed!

Psht, damn Dan, coming in here trying to get ppl back on topic. I'm goin off topic, how did you do sat.. at PIR?

Back on topic now. I'd live there, so i would deffinately love to have that as just a garage.

Awesome Quick Thread Recovery Batman!!

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the guy MIGHT have ocd.. thats a real possibility. i've never seen such an immaculate job on keeping a garage clean, but that might also be due to the fact that everything is brand spankin new. ever thought of the possibility that this guy MAY NOT have had the garage long enough to use all the tools and get them filthy? i did. and this guy ACTUALLY USES HIS GARAGE. apparently this picture wasn't working for you when you looked at the thread, if in fact you saw the whole thing.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/3993/355camtiming15zu.jpg

is that not a ferrari engine? and a ferrari on a hoist without an engine?? maybe they're not the best mechanics in the world, but why would they care about anything they're not driving?? do you think the guy gives 2 shits about an LT1?? NO cause he has better engines in better cars.

you gotta get rid of your tunnel vision. same with nissan371T15T. yeah, the sr is a good engine, but NEWSFLASH there are other good engines on our earth!!!

you gotta get rid of your tunnel vision. same with nissan371T15T. yeah, the sr is a good engine, but NEWSFLASH there are other good engines on our earth!!!


thats what I've been trying to say all along. I don't think the LT-1 is best, and in fact I challenge you to find ANYWHERE where I said that, some would say the LS-1 is better, which mind you had less of a prodcution run then 5 years in the f-body. I know the Big Block Chevy is better, it will make more power guranteed. I also like some of the ideas and parts behind the new LS7. I do however strongly believe the LT-1 is a much better street engine then a SR20. I also think the LS7 is one of the first production naturally aspirated v8's making above 500hp at the crank, I could be wrong on that though, whats your badass SR20 make? of yeah 202hp at the crank. I also know a LS-1 is lighter then a KA24de.


hey nissan elitest, cams run with a film of oil on the contact surfaces? no shit.. what else works like that. Thats an amazing concept LMFAO...

and you tried jerking me off with airflow numbers again. Thousands and thousands of people can tell you heads can be modified to flow more air. So really airflow isn't a big deal, a professional engine builder can make just about any head flow a lot of air. I look for mechanical advantages, one the SR has over the KA is the ability to run higher lift, but I think that is pretty pointless given KA's are making more power then you can pretty much use on the street, we've had this argument before, you go drive a 600hp KA-T on the street and come back and tell me it sucks and needs more valve lift when its already making twice the power as what your car has R.W.

ALSO SR240z, the DOHC 5.7 is known as a LT-5, not and/or ZR-1. That is the model designation on a corvette the LT-5 came in. You wouldn't call a sr20det a SE because its in a SE model 240sx?

Also the SR20 timing chain is a lot longer, and the last one I took apart had two timing gears, not one. As luck would have it, I happen to have a SR20 timing chain and a LT-1 timing chain that I can weigh to see the difference. Now if things like that don't matter to your biasm, don't even mention light wheels, light flywheels, or unsprung weight around here again and waiste my bandwith.

SR no cam bearings=junk yard


also you say the SR lasts longer then any V8 period. I find that to be the worst comment you have ever said. Fact is I've never seen a SR20 with over 300,000 miles that is untouched and still running, hell its going to be one hell of an easter egg hunt to find an untouched SR20DET with over 100,000 miles. I can find you hundreds of LT-1's and small block chevies over 300 grand and still just as fast as day 1. I beg you to actually PROVE me wrong, just show me 1 sr20 with over 300,000 miles on it without it being worked on. Then I will show you a lot of SBC's with over 300,000. I own one with 337,000 miles personally and it gets abused pretty damn hard. It has also overheated more times then you've probably gotten laid, I'd like to see your aluminum head contraption that is god's gift survive that without some warpage.

The Fact that the small block chevy has been in production for over 52 years in GM regular production passenger cars and is still being used in heavy work trucks goes to show you that it works. It is the most numerous engine in the world, now if it sucked so bad that wouldn't be the case. They would be using SR20's in all the NPR's and 3500 pick-up trucks lol.

If you think the argument that a DOHC timing set adds more mass to the top of an engine is stupid, go look at some engine blocks and compare. If you think trying to reduce weight on the top of the car is stupid, go talk to some race car manufactuers. Some of the fastest production cars out now are still running pushrod engines... go figure

see Mosler MT900s, C6 Z06, Saleen S7.

dude, seriously.... drop it. start a thread where it belongs, or i'll ask you to go away for a few days.

thats what I've been trying to say all along. I don't think the LT-1 is best, and in fact I challenge you to find ANYWHERE where I said that, some would say the LS-1 is better, which mind you had less of a prodcution run then 5 years in the f-body. I know the Big Block Chevy is better, it will make more power guranteed. I also like some of the ideas and parts behind the new LS7. I do however strongly believe the LT-1 is a much better street engine then a SR20. I also think the LS7 is one of the first production naturally aspirated v8's making above 500hp at the crank, I could be wrong on that though, whats your badass SR20 make? of yeah 202hp at the crank. I also know a LS-1 is lighter then a KA24de.

YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID.

Show me where I said the SR was the best engine on the planet and then choke on the sarcasm.

then tell me where I said the LT1 didnt make more power.


hey nissan elitest, cams run with a film of oil on the contact surfaces? no shit.. what else works like that. Thats an amazing concept LMFAO...

You have no room to be high and mighty after saying Cams need bearings to last a long time, you still havent replied to to some of the highest revving motors avaliable not having them.

and you tried jerking me off with airflow numbers again. Thousands and thousands of people can tell you heads can be modified to flow more air. So really airflow isn't a big deal, a professional engine builder can make just about any head flow a lot of air. I look for mechanical advantages, one the SR has over the KA is the ability to run higher lift, but I think that is pretty pointless given KA's are making more power then you can pretty much use on the street, we've had this argument before, you go drive a 600hp KA-T on the street and come back and tell me it sucks and needs more valve lift when its already making twice the power as what your car has R.W..

Uhh... WTF... Nobody can bring up airflow now since you cant argue it? But then agian that didnt stop you with Cam Bearings and high CG.

Uhh... arguing what you need for the street? thats retarded. Its all personal opinion. In Austin 600whp gets you a "oh he's quick"

Also the SR20 timing chain is a lot longer, and the last one I took apart had two timing gears, not one. As luck would have it, I happen to have a SR20 timing chain and a LT-1 timing chain that I can weigh to see the difference. Now if things like that don't matter to your biasm, don't even mention light wheels, light flywheels, or unsprung weight around here again and waiste my bandwith.

Uhhh alright. god forbid my timing chain weighs 1oz more than a OHC one.

SR no cam bearings=junk yard


You're Fucking Stupid... Prove it. I cant think of one modern high revving engine with an aluminum head that has bearings.


also you say the SR lasts longer then any V8 period. I find that to be the worst comment you have ever said. Fact is I've never seen a SR20 with over 300,000 miles that is untouched and still running, hell its going to be one hell of an easter egg hunt to find an untouched SR20DET with over 100,000 miles.

Fair enough... The SR makes 200 from 4 cylinders... the LT one does ~300 with 8, of coarse it will last longer...



If you think the argument that a DOHC timing set adds more mass to the top of an engine is stupid, go look at some engine blocks and compare. If you think trying to reduce weight on the top of the car is stupid, go talk to some race car manufactuers. Some of the fastest production cars out now are still running pushrod engines... go figure

see Mosler MT900s, C6 Z06, Saleen S7.

And then theres the Ferraris, and the F1 Cars, and the F3 Cars, and Astons, and the LMP cars.

All of them use DOHC? and F1 cars are the fastest on the planet.

GO Figure.


CLIFF NOTES: You are Fucking Stupid and have proved it time and time again.

RW, you too...

thats what I've been trying to say all along. I don't think the LT-1 is best, and in fact I challenge you to find ANYWHERE where I said that, some would say the LS-1 is better, which mind you had less of a prodcution run then 5 years in the f-body. I know the Big Block Chevy is better, it will make more power guranteed. I also like some of the ideas and parts behind the new LS7. I do however strongly believe the LT-1 is a much better street engine then a SR20. I also think the LS7 is one of the first production naturally aspirated v8's making above 500hp at the crank, I could be wrong on that though, whats your badass SR20 make? of yeah 202hp at the crank. I also know a LS-1 is lighter then a KA24de.


hey nissan elitest, cams run with a film of oil on the contact surfaces? no shit.. what else works like that. Thats an amazing concept LMFAO...

and you tried jerking me off with airflow numbers again. Thousands and thousands of people can tell you heads can be modified to flow more air. So really airflow isn't a big deal, a professional engine builder can make just about any head flow a lot of air. I look for mechanical advantages, one the SR has over the KA is the ability to run higher lift, but I think that is pretty pointless given KA's are making more power then you can pretty much use on the street, we've had this argument before, you go drive a 600hp KA-T on the street and come back and tell me it sucks and needs more valve lift when its already making twice the power as what your car has R.W.

ALSO SR240z, the DOHC 5.7 is known as a LT-5, not and/or ZR-1. That is the model designation on a corvette the LT-5 came in. You wouldn't call a sr20det a SE because its in a SE model 240sx?

Also the SR20 timing chain is a lot longer, and the last one I took apart had two timing gears, not one. As luck would have it, I happen to have a SR20 timing chain and a LT-1 timing chain that I can weigh to see the difference. Now if things like that don't matter to your biasm, don't even mention light wheels, light flywheels, or unsprung weight around here again and waiste my bandwith.

SR no cam bearings=junk yard


also you say the SR lasts longer then any V8 period. I find that to be the worst comment you have ever said. Fact is I've never seen a SR20 with over 300,000 miles that is untouched and still running, hell its going to be one hell of an easter egg hunt to find an untouched SR20DET with over 100,000 miles. I can find you hundreds of LT-1's and small block chevies over 300 grand and still just as fast as day 1. I beg you to actually PROVE me wrong, just show me 1 sr20 with over 300,000 miles on it without it being worked on. Then I will show you a lot of SBC's with over 300,000. I own one with 337,000 miles personally and it gets abused pretty damn hard. It has also overheated more times then you've probably gotten laid, I'd like to see your aluminum head contraption that is god's gift survive that without some warpage.

The Fact that the small block chevy has been in production for over 52 years in GM regular production passenger cars and is still being used in heavy work trucks goes to show you that it works. It is the most numerous engine in the world, now if it sucked so bad that wouldn't be the case. They would be using SR20's in all the NPR's and 3500 pick-up trucks lol.

If you think the argument that a DOHC timing set adds more mass to the top of an engine is stupid, go look at some engine blocks and compare. If you think trying to reduce weight on the top of the car is stupid, go talk to some race car manufactuers. Some of the fastest production cars out now are still running pushrod engines... go figure

see Mosler MT900s, C6 Z06, Saleen S7.

So in all that non-sense you just said you can't even muster up a viable arguement to what I just said. I think it's because you can't. You lack the simple ability to engage in a coheriant and logical debate regarding the matter you originally brought up. In fact it's a reflection of your utterly weak persona, and a reason why people like you are stuck working on cars all day and will measure up to nothing more in life other than a broke, chain smoking, alcoholic that thinks he is gods gift to a wrench.

You're pathetic and to think I drove all the way out there to find a picture of you in your natural habitat.

http://nismo.q45.org/iroc.jpg

Hey, even cavemen can understand pictures.

actually the fastest cars on the planet are Mopar v8's.... not f1. They out accelerate a f1 car at probably twice the rate or more and top out at almost 75-100mph more.

pushrod power buddy

If you think the argument that a DOHC timing set adds more mass to the top of an engine is stupid, go look at some engine blocks and compare. If you think trying to reduce weight on the top of the car is stupid, go talk to some race car manufactuers. Some of the fastest production cars out now are still running pushrod engines... go figure

see Mosler MT900s, C6 Z06, Saleen S7.

Naw man,

DOHC is the way to go. Push rods are nice to work on, but if given the choice for power and efficiency, go DOHC. Its not always about weight :) Of course I might have miss read what you gays are talking about, if so my bad.

actually the fastest cars on the planet are Mopar v8's.... not f1. They out accelerate a f1 car at probably twice the rate or more and top out at almost 75-100mph more.

pushrod power buddy

Name one Mopar part number on a top fuel engine.

Shit, I work sometimes on a blown alcohol 69' Camaro, and there isn't 1 single part from Chevy on that thing.

does it still work like a chevy in its mechanical design?

it is patterned off of the original and can interchange if you wanted to. I personally think aftermarket support for engines is awesome, not like anyone runs a stock sr swap or has ever put aftermarket parts in a SR20.

it is still a BBC cam, lifters, rockers, water pump, valves, pistons, rods, crank... it just might be lighter, more precise, or stronger then the factory pieces. Also GM themselves has a great performance engine division pumping out a shitload of parts, there are crate engines and heads, blocks, cams, intake manifolds... way more engine parts then NISMO offers.

how competitive is a bone stock 180sx?


isn't half the reason most of us love 240sx's is the ability to modify them with a lot of different parts and brands? so were gonna start hating on stuff that isn't factory NissanEliJOoOwnez33z5? For fucks sake atleast all the great powerhouse SR's everyone loves are far from stock and all factory pieces........
:2cents:

this thread is pointless

I shall continue the great debate elsewhere, good bye thread.

isn't half the reason most of us love 240sx's is the ability to modify them with a lot of different parts and brands? so were gonna start hating on stuff that isn't factory NissanEliJOoOwnez33z5? For fucks sake atleast all the great powerhouse SR's everyone loves are far from stock and all factory pieces........
:2cents:


Nice title ...

I claim victory.

talk about hijacking threads...

Can we get back on Topic?

Please... :D

I think that garage is awesome.

One day it will be mine.

dude, seriously.... drop it. start a thread where it belongs, or i'll ask you to go away for a few days.

Exactly...i dont like hearin him bitch about how a v8 is better than an sr....

Hey LT-1...wanna start talkin crap about teh Rb too...come on do it..i know u want to...then me and u can race, ill crust ur Lt-1 and put u to shame....and the reason u cant find any Sr's over 300,000 miles is cuz in japan the more miles ur car has, the more ur insurance is....so they sell their cars, and the end up in the junk yard with less than 100 000 on the motor...then alot of them get sent to america...where they are abused heavily....lets see u drift ur LT-1 all day and not break something....its just that simple...

Everything uve been sayin is just opinion...u complain about how ppl are complaining about the v8 in a 240....then u shut up about our motors...its ultimately our choice what motor we want in our car....I would never go with a v8 ever...if i wanted that, i would just go buy a vette or camero....why take an import body and put an American engine in it???

*2 cents

valiant effort my friend but nothings gonna change.....never has, never will.

Exactly...i dont like hearin him bitch about how a v8 is better than an sr....

Hey LT-1...wanna start talkin crap about teh Rb too...come on do it..i know u want to...then me and u can race, ill crust ur Lt-1 and put u to shame....and the reason u cant find any Sr's over 300,000 miles is cuz in japan the more miles ur car has, the more ur insurance is....so they sell their cars, and the end up in the junk yard with less than 100 000 on the motor...then alot of them get sent to america...where they are abused heavily....lets see u drift ur LT-1 all day and not break something....its just that simple...

Everything uve been sayin is just opinion...u complain about how ppl are complaining about the v8 in a 240....then u shut up about our motors...its ultimately our choice what motor we want in our car....I would never go with a v8 ever...if i wanted that, i would just go buy a vette or camero....why take an import body and put an American engine in it???

*2 cents


Dude, LT1-Power has been banned, he's been banned for about a day now. Unless you want to join him, I'd suggest dropping the subject and getting back on topic.

People, either get on topic or this thread is closed. Simple as that.

Dude, LT1-Power has been banned, he's been banned for about a day now. Unless you want to join him, I'd suggest dropping the subject and getting back on topic.

People, either get on topic or this thread is closed. Simple as that.

Sorry, he just makes me really mad...

lets see LT-1 = 625hp in a 2300lb chassis, with drag slicks

"crusts"

250hp RB 2700lb s13 with 205 sized tires and open diff


maybe when you get your elitest tuning skillz u wil make that 800hp you want in your s13. Then when momma gives you enough money to get tires bigger then 205 60 15 you might be able to hit it in 2nd gear

then we can endurance race at full throttle and see whos engine lasts the longest, Id put the money on the non forced heat induction boost pressured engine.

:2cents:


I said to drop it... and get the thread back on topic.

Thread closed.