Toying with V8's

well i had a fun day today. Also just to let everyone here know, its cold in michigan today, low of 40 somethings today. And anyone with a Roots blower will back me up when i say on a cold night, a roots supercharged car is a totally new car. With that said, on to the races.

My first race was in the afternoon. I had just picked up my GF and when on my way home i saw a nice 03 Orange Cobra in front of me. I quickly got behind it at the light waiting for it to change. Light changed, i got over next to him. I did a quick little gas speed off to get his attention, it did. He pulls up next to me at around 40 MPH. Me being the "slower" car, i punch it first he quickly follows. I hear my supercharged 4 cylinder screaming in the cold wheather. I had anticipated a beating but to my suprise i didnt recieve that. We went till about 80 MPH, he was ahead by about a car length. I looked over as he was looking at my cavalier trying to figure out wtf i had, after a few seconds i could see him chuckling still looking at my car. My turn came up and that was it.

Next race, dropped my GF off at her house and was on my way home, now its cold out now. Like gimmie a jacket and hat cold. I see this nice black Z28 pull out in front of a light im stopped at. So i just about piss my pants waiting for the light to change, finally it does and im off to catch the Z28. Well i get up behind it and what do i see, the Z28 has multiplied, now there is 2 of them, but one looks old enough to be a LT1. I see the LS1 egg on the LT1 for a race, but no go. Darn that would have been fun to watch.

So i go around them and try and get the LS1's attention. Nope didnt really work. So i drive on, i get to a light, and what do you know the Z28 is right next to me. Both of us have dark tinted windows, so i cant see him, and he cant see me. Light turns green, we both take off normally, i pace him just a little bit ahead. Slowly were are accelerating more and more, finally at about 40MPH when his front bumper is at my door, i see his front end lift up, so i lift mine up. Boom instant boost, the supercharger is whining so hard i thought it was gonna break. I look over and the Z28 isnt gaining on me. Im watching the whole time, his front bumper isnt gaining an inch on me. I can hear that LS1 giving it all it has, but he cant gain. I shut down at 80MPH with the same lead the whole time.

Im sure had both of these races gone past 80MPH i would have been walked on, but they didnt, so i wasnt. Bench race me and DIE!

PS i dont do cliff notes

Bench race me and DIE!




I just don't see an '03 Cobra struggling to put distance on you... 390hp just doesn't hide itself in the presence of a supercharged Z24.


... :sly:

Sounds :screwy:


Maybe he was misfiring on 4 cylinders??????


I smell something cookin on here....

Jayson, don't think we're picking on you. But seriously... '03 Cobra.

Those trounce on stock to mildly modified LS1's with out much effort... then you say you held with one till 80?

Think about it bro...

Maybe he was toying with you?? Testing the waters?...

Yep, not buying the cobra story. The ls1 is hard to believe too, what do you trap in the 1/4?

Edit, nvm, 93 mph..

93mph isn't too bad, but hell my LS1 traps 105... and it's close to stock.

Is this an old thread from April Fools Day???? If it's not, man, there are some seriously sorry ass drivers out there w/ fast cars. Your car runs what, mid to high 14's. Even a bad LS1 owner can bust out a mid to low 14 sec. time. A Cobra owner would reap the same benefits as you, as his car is s/c'ed too. Especially from a roll, unless the dude was playing with you. Maybe the LS1 guy had a bad launch, but he'd be gaining on you like a madman. Dunno man, wasn't there.

Is this an old thread from April Fools Day???? If it's not, man, there are some seriously sorry ass drivers out there w/ fast cars. Your car runs what, mid to high 14's. Even a bad LS1 owner can bust out a mid to low 14 sec. time. A Cobra owner would reap the same benefits as you, as his car is s/c'ed too. Especially from a roll, unless the dude was playing with you. Maybe the LS1 guy had a bad launch, but he'd be gaining on you like a madman. Dunno man, wasn't there.

It's like the Cobra guy's race history...

Kills:
SS Camaro LS1
C5 Corvette Z06
Ferrari 360 Modena F1
TT Supra
Modded WRX STi

Deaths:
S/C Cavy... damn I didn't know!!!

Da heck bro.

Thought you weren't a ricer, bo-yee!

You bettah' AXE somebody!


*Sorry, ^that was my halfway asleep way of saying Jayson must not know anything beyond his Cavalier, to think that a Cobra, or LS1 that's trying will stay within sight of his car.*


*I'm reserving this spot for tomorrow, when I am more awake, and can piss on people better.*

I don't see any of those cars having trouble against you. They trap about 15 and more mph, you shouldn't stand a chance.

ok i said dont bench race me, yeah all those other cars trap alot higher, GOOD THING WE DIDNT RACE TO THOSE SPEEDS! I know everyone of those cars would have stomped me if went higher than 80 MPHs. Ive said time and time again, the reason my trap is so slow for my ET is because of 3rd gear, its long and slow, and it kicks in at 80 MPH under WOT. I mean seriously, are you guys blind? Look at my quater mile, 14.7@93MPH, most stock 5 speed cavaliers trap 90-92 MPH stock, but run 15.8. IF you guys are that blind to see the low end speed of my car im not gonna bother posting here anymore, cause its a waste of time.

None of you have ever seen a review, been in a car like mine, or prolly even seen a car like mine.

Type S when are you going to be in michigan? Cause were running, i want atleast on person on here to be able to understand my car.

I could see you possibly hanging with an LS1 car to those speeds, but not the Cobra.

Either way, not calling BS on you...but I do believe the Cobra was kinda pacing you. Those things are just evil across the powerband.
Sounds like fun races!!

I've seen plenty of newbs come in here in the past, make claims like this and people run them off, including yourself. Why? Because they didn't have proof. So where's the video proof? Since were not allowed to bench race. Funny how we expect others to come in here and EARN our respect without proof, but some here think they can get away with it.

Now i'm not doubting your car, i'm sure it can run a 14.7 at whatever mph, it MIGHT be able to hang with those cars, but unless i see it, i have a hard time believing it, i'm more of a see it to believe it kind of guy.

bench racing is when you go my 220hp car will beat your 210hp car cos it's got 10hp more.

When you're talking about a cobra and a supercharged cavalier...well you know.

You're right, no one was there...but I have to say, I mess around with cars obviously slower than mine at 1/4 throttle all the time. I have to say, that Cobra was just messin - either bad driver, or....just messin.

jayson, didnt you modify your car more since the 14.7? i thought you got a smaller pulley and an exhaust manifold or something

Hey Redneck and 2001LS1Z28, what did you guys trap in the 8th STOCK?

Also the last time I checked, bench racing was coming out and saying something like "my brother's friends cousins uncle is john force and he's faster than you"

Mag racing....bench racing....all the same.

In the 1/8th mile, I trapped about 81 MPH with roughly the power a stock LS1 makes at sea level.
Damn this altitude. :lol:

well i dont know, what kinda proof do you guys need? Keep in mind i have a digital camera that takes great pics but only so so videos. I might be going to the track on October 23rd, if i do go ill be sure to get a video camera.

IF anyone is in michigan and wants to run, im fine with that. If you beat me, drinks at the bar are on me.

I call bullshyt on this whole story...no way you kept up with a stock Z28 when they run a mid 13 from the factory and your blown cavalier is running a high 14...1 secon in the 1/4 mile is approximatly the difference of 4-5 car lengths...so BS

Also, no way a 03 Cobra struggled putting distance on you when they run a high 12 bone stock...and again, your running a 14 second 1/4 mile...thats 3 full seconds...which is approximatlay 8-9 car lenghts...so BS again


nice try buddy...

My Z28 trapped 80.16 in the 1/8 and 102.8 in the quarter one run.

The second run I trapped 80.92 in the 1/8 and 105.42 in the 1/4.

Both of those runs were done with my old shot clutch, the pressure plate was bad in it and it wouldn't let the pedal come off the floor. It was slipping the whole time... and I wouldn't let me have 3rd gear.

D'oh. Stupid GM and their shotty OEM parts.

IF anyone is in michigan and wants to run, im fine with that. If you beat me, drinks at the bar are on me.
I will be there in April for free drinks!!!!! :lol:

Both of those runs were done with my old shot clutch, the pressure plate was bad in it and it wouldn't let the pedal come off the floor. It was slipping the whole time... and I wouldn't let me have 3rd gear.
Same here. Although I don't think the problem was just the pressure plate.
Did you upgrade the slave cylinder with the new clutch??? I am doing both the slave and master in mine. I had some REAL bad clutch problems under WOT at the track.

I will be there in April for free drinks!!!!! :lol:


Dude, seriously... I'm there.:cheers:

i want a piece of the action too

Dude, seriously... I'm there.:cheers:


Yeah i'll buy you a glass of milk in a sippy cup ok?


Me and Luos can share a Killians.


:flipa:

:(


I hate you Joshy.




:)

seriously, if you guys are ever in the detroit area let me know, ill make sure i have the day off work. Im gonna make a new video today of my car going 0-80 MPH, hopefully it will be in better focus.

I trapped around 81-82mph when my car was close to stock. It traps around 85 mph.

Dunno what to tell you Jayson, I can just see this race taking place, with you being ahead, and seeing the LS1 gaining on you rapidly, then putting on the brake lights, and calling it a win. I've seen that done time and time again, especially by owners of AWD cars. With a 9.3 sec. 1/8th mile time, your car ain't that slow though, as much as LS1 owners all wanna say that they run in the 8's, I, and several thousand other LS1 owners have run in the 9's 1/8th mile wise before (Beit bad launch, or poor driving skills). I think your post is what set me off, " Toying w/ V8's". That's inviting me to be a dick. I don't like thinking of my car as a joke, to be "toyed" with. Didn't mean any disrespect, or to try and get you off the board.

Ok, I'll just start with a new post, instead of editing over my "tired-post" as I promised.

Anyhow.

My daily-driver is a Mitsubishi Diamante. Fairly luxurious, and has good enough power to get out of its own way.

One morning, driving to work, which is always very early, since I have to be at work by 6am. There's always a few drivers that seem to drive like they are still groggy, and basically causing their own traffic-jam, when there should be none that early.

I usually drive semi-aggressive, at least until I get around these types of drivers, and onto the freeway I commute on.

One morning, I got next to a WS6 that had the same idea, and at one light, he launched - not too crazy, but definitely a launch. Me, just to mess around, and to boost my adrenaline to wake me up, I launched too, which in my car is essentially: "I stomped on the gas from a stop".

I waited for the WS6 to stomp all over me, but it didn't. I stayed within a car of it.

Did I post in here? Nope. Why?

My car weighs as much as his. He has at least 300HP - probably to the wheels, and I have 210 crank HP.

It's called LOGIC, son.

The WS6 was probably on half, even 1/3rd throttle, and I was flooring it. He just wanted to get ahead.

You need to use this same logic when evaluating these "races".

Does it REALLY have to be spelled out for you?

hey son, i know what happened, i heard there engine, its pretty obvious when someone is racing and when someone isnt.

Anways this is really pissing me off. Im not a liar, i dont make up stories, and i will get some better proof for you, untill then i made a quick video of my car. Doing the type of acceleration on do the street while street racing.

ANd one thing no one here is paying attention about, and listen of carnut. IT WASNT A 1/4 MILE RACE, IT WASNT ABOVE 80 MPH, IT WAS A PRETTY SHORT RACE, I KNOW IN THE LONG RUN THEY WOULD HAVE KILLED ME.

http://www.zippyvideos.com/1899298461586366/z24sc3/

i think with the amount of torque a cobra makes it should have beaten you. but maybe im wrong, as you said; we werent there.

Neat video, 15mph roll was pretty quick.

Get me a video of you going from a complete stop...

Otherwise, whatelse are you doing to your car?

ill see what i can do about the complete stop, i need better tires first though. You can also see what im talking about at around 70-80MPH the car just falls on its face, the 2nd run should show that.

I dont plan on doing much more to the car really, just get tires for the rims, maybe a new hood and a drop. Performance wise, im very happy with it.

Same here. Although I don't think the problem was just the pressure plate.
Did you upgrade the slave cylinder with the new clutch??? I am doing both the slave and master in mine. I had some REAL bad clutch problems under WOT at the track.


Ohp... didn't see this part of the post.

Nah, I just upgraded to the Spec III clutch with the Heavy duty billet steel flywheel.

Didn't have the funds for the new hydraulics stuff. One day maybe. Although it seems to shift fine for me now.

I beleive him. From the videos I can tell that the car is pretty fast in first and second, but falls on its face afterwards. That's why his 1/4 times are so high. These runs were up until the point where it gets bad.

That's why I'd suggest doing the 5-speed swap. It will probably give you the greatest performance improvement for the money (other than maybe NOS), but this is actually safe.

Here's a video of my GTO from a stop going to 80 for comparison's stake. This is a completely stock LS1 GTO, which is heavier than a Z28.

http://www.zippyvideos.com/7659389351588636/file0001/

Here's a video of my GTO from a stop going to 80 for comparison's stake. This is a completely stock LS1 GTO, which is heavier than a Z28.

http://www.zippyvideos.com/7659389351588636/file0001/

i couldnt really see a difference between yours and mine, they both seemed to climb at about the same rate

ANd thanks clawhammer, its nice to know not everyone thinks im a liar.

Here's a video of my GTO from a stop going to 80 for comparison's stake. This is a completely stock LS1 GTO, which is heavier than a Z28.

http://www.zippyvideos.com/7659389351588636/file0001/
Make a video from a drop that would be a better argument.

I don't think it's too far fetched to believe his story. Funny how people get so pissed even when you're a reputable member. I can see why they would say it, but still some of the replies are shitty IMO. There are lots of factors in the real world so why not.

:bs:

HAHHAHHHA!!! Jaysopn, I don't doubt you. comapring thsoe two vids, I'd say thely look pretty even up to about 980p mph. Hell, I'ms drunk and I can'; see that. But yeah, iI think after that you would have been somoekd by that Cobar. Good job mangs!

On a side note...

GOT DAAYUM Jessica Alba is hot.

nice video! i take back all doubts :smile:

Umm, personaly I think his chuckling was about you thinking you could take him.

Jayson, your car is pretty quick, but if either one of those cars was giving it all they've got then the outcome would be clear. Maybe they just didn't know how to drive. I don't know when I'm coming to Michigan, but when I do, I'll let you know. Just make sure to have the drinks ready :iceslolan

Looks to me as it takes 8 seconds for the ls1 to reach 15 to 80 and you didnt reach 80 in 8 seconds. It may be you gave up to quickly on the gas pedal.

Looks to me as it takes 8 seconds for the ls1 to reach 15 to 80 and you didnt reach 80 in 8 seconds. It may be you gave up to quickly on the gas pedal.

One was from a roll and the other one was from a stop. You can't compare them like that. Usually 0-60 times are faster than roll on 5-60 times.

Either way, it sounds like you had fun, so nice races. I do think some are underestimating your lower gears, as well anything can happen in the real world. But there is also always the possibility that they were in a bad gear or something. I've tried racing cars in a higher gear and just seeing if I can hold them off out of my powerband. Just a possible suggestion, not calling you a liar.

I will try and get a vid of me going from a 15 roll on the way home from work tonight, for a more fair comparison.

EDIT: here's the vid

file0002.asf (http://www.zippyvideos.com/4237308981618116/file0002/)

For free drinks I am sure I could find tons of guys from Kettering to race you. We could prob go all night.

I believe you dude, good runs. There's no telling what can happen on the road. I also have an understanding of what a roots powered chevy 4 cyl can do.

You're also no idiot and I'm sure you know you would'nt have held him off for too much longer. Still cool that you could hang in there for a good sprint though.

I'd love to run my stock SS/SC vs your car before I get to modding this thing. It's too bad we're so far apart.

For free drinks I am sure I could find tons of guys from Kettering to race you. We could prob go all night.


I know a coupla guys at Kettering if I told free drinks were on the line, theyd all jump in...

ok its only the first person to beat me,

I don't think someone like Jayson would just post some random BS story out of the blue, considering how long he's been posting here...I believe you on the LS1 part but about that cobra, are you SURE it was a cobra? If you had your window down while you were racing it, you would have heard its ridiculously loud blower whine, and that's one sure way to tell.

I don't think someone like Jayson would just post some random BS story out of the blue, considering how long he's been posting here...I believe you on the LS1 part but about that cobra, are you SURE it was a cobra? If you had your window down while you were racing it, you would have heard its ridiculously loud blower whine, and that's one sure way to tell.
And nobody said he was BS'ing, just like I wasn't BS'ing about hanging with an aggressively driven WS6 - with him at half-throttle. Just hoping he realizes that neither car was giving it all, like he was, unless if neither car were in good running condition, or neither driver had coffee yet, that day.

I'm not even going to post about trap times and power-to-weight, and such - because I shouldn't have to.

Having to "defend" a blown SVT, and an LS1 against a mildly-blown Cavalier is just ridiculous. Stock Cobras can hang against Z06's in the mid, then the Z06 takes over at the top end, with its better aero. Does that mean a mildly-blown Cavalier is hanging with Z06's now? They DID race mid-range, right?

I'm not saying he's BSing, I'm just saying that neither driver was giving 100%. We know how many variables there are on the street. Guy could have been in wrong gear, just learned how to drive, etc.

It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. WINNING's WINNING!

jeez don't you guys know anything?? :p

We know how many variables there are on the street. Guy could have been in wrong gear, just learned how to drive, etc.


It have to be one horrible driver, a cobra would destroy him in pretty much any gear.

I can see how he could have hung with these cars because I too have some weird issues with my gearing.
As you all know in that video I posted a while ago...I was stuck back with a stock 2001 Grand Am SE until my 3rd gear. Then afterwards I raced one from a stop and I blew it out of the water. Weird yes, but from that I can see how it could have happened.

I wanted to be cool too so I decided to shoot a video with my phone. My buddy was actually the one filming it. I just did a 0-11 run. You can hear the OBC make a ringing sound when I hit 60. You can play it with quicktime only, as far as I know.

http://s17.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0154626Y2FJTV31TW65Z5K8S1C

We did this in the back roads by his house. Right after I slowed down and made a right turn (about 10 seconds after the video stops) there was a female cop sitting right there playing with something in the car. Could have been so screwed... :screwy:

just read the story and skipped to the last post.....
my computer is just too slow....needs some modds
anyways I believe you.......a bit too take in but its possible.....you guys have to remember not all drivers are created equal........