Immortality within our reach
inatalonIXLR8
10-07-2005, 04:53 PM
My theory involves two medical break throughs from recent years. One is stem cell research. Christopher Reeves (the late) became paralized after accidently falling off his horse. A segment of his spinal cord was damaged to what was believed irreversable. Thanks to his dedication, willpower and all the money he invested into stem cell research he was able to move his hands and feet before he passed away.
The second medical break through is cloning. Being able to replicate life. Now I understand that both of these proceedures are at their preliminary stages. Many more years of study would be necisary to develop them before being massly used. But an incling to what they may be capable of is definately there.
Suppose for a moment that you began cloning yourself at around 30 years of age. By the time you turned 50, a rype 20 year old body of yourself would be ready for transplantation. The reason I say when you are 50 is that the limitations of this proceedure would be diseases of the brain. So at 50 years you decide to upgrade to the younger version of yourself, who has been kept in a coma like stasis. All of it's body would be at it's peek due to the pulsating ellectrodes that contract muscles to build strength. Bruce Lee used these when he was recovering. I've even got an inexpensive set of my own.
Now the proceedure would call for a lobodomy of both you and your clone. Next they would have to sever the brain stem. Maybe the use of micro surgical machines would be used to minimize the damage. Pull a quick switcherwoo with the brains and reattach the old brain to the new spinal cord with a combination of micro surgical machines and stem cells.
In theory the body should completely accept the old brain, being that they are made from the same DNA. Only ethical decisions remain.
This proceedure could yield you a new body every 30 years or so, perhaps greatly extending your life.
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The second medical break through is cloning. Being able to replicate life. Now I understand that both of these proceedures are at their preliminary stages. Many more years of study would be necisary to develop them before being massly used. But an incling to what they may be capable of is definately there.
Suppose for a moment that you began cloning yourself at around 30 years of age. By the time you turned 50, a rype 20 year old body of yourself would be ready for transplantation. The reason I say when you are 50 is that the limitations of this proceedure would be diseases of the brain. So at 50 years you decide to upgrade to the younger version of yourself, who has been kept in a coma like stasis. All of it's body would be at it's peek due to the pulsating ellectrodes that contract muscles to build strength. Bruce Lee used these when he was recovering. I've even got an inexpensive set of my own.
Now the proceedure would call for a lobodomy of both you and your clone. Next they would have to sever the brain stem. Maybe the use of micro surgical machines would be used to minimize the damage. Pull a quick switcherwoo with the brains and reattach the old brain to the new spinal cord with a combination of micro surgical machines and stem cells.
In theory the body should completely accept the old brain, being that they are made from the same DNA. Only ethical decisions remain.
This proceedure could yield you a new body every 30 years or so, perhaps greatly extending your life.
Like this one then check out -How life passes from planet to planet in a solar system
also -Evolution and viruses
Next one -Music to save all of humanity
-> Mason <-
10-07-2005, 05:15 PM
i think the abortion people wouldn't ever let this fly....but an interesting concept nonetheless......nice job.....
dirtydx
10-07-2005, 07:28 PM
attaching a brain onto a new body opens up billions of complications... not to mention a lobotomy and removing it from its stem, definitely not a "quick switcherwoo" situation. :cwm27: atleast not until the new plug 'n' play versions come out.
in the remote possibility that it works, you've got an aged, chopped up, frankenbrain in a 20 year old body... 30 years later the thing wouldn't survive another surgery, i don't care how many babies you eat.
in the remote possibility that it works, you've got an aged, chopped up, frankenbrain in a 20 year old body... 30 years later the thing wouldn't survive another surgery, i don't care how many babies you eat.
ct91rs
10-07-2005, 07:53 PM
Frankenbrain, ha, that's great :rofl:
Our current science isn't even close to transplanting the eye due to the complexity of the optic nerve. You can't simply clip, and reattach nerves; the dynamics of nerve regeneration are far too lengthy to get into now, not to mention that brain cells start to die after 20min. without oxygen. The technology necessary isn't even on the distant horizon. However, this idea is intriguing.
Our current science isn't even close to transplanting the eye due to the complexity of the optic nerve. You can't simply clip, and reattach nerves; the dynamics of nerve regeneration are far too lengthy to get into now, not to mention that brain cells start to die after 20min. without oxygen. The technology necessary isn't even on the distant horizon. However, this idea is intriguing.
craigcully
10-07-2005, 08:37 PM
I wonder if my health insurance will cover this procedure... lol. That is an interesting concept, although I hope that the medical world would have solutions for the degeneration of the brain by then. But what if something happened to me at some point before I grow up? If this is the world that is to be I think that babies will be cloned at their conception so that if something happens they will have an extra body around in case of an emergency.
2.2 Straight six
10-08-2005, 08:50 PM
even if this were possibl personally i dont want to live forever, if im not killed before, i've already planned how i want to die, when i feel its my time i'll execute the plan and myself.
RickwithaTbird
10-08-2005, 11:44 PM
how do you "raise" a clone for parts?
A- If you keep it comatose forever, it will be a weak little clone with an undesireable body.
B- If you raise it to work out and have a desireable body, you can't just say, "sorry clone.. your time has come. We are gonna take your brain out now, because the real you wants his body. And then your brain will be put through a garbage disposal.... good work though.. you served your purpose."
C- Putting it into your used 50 yr old body would be fucked up.
I think its a terrible idea. sorry.
A- If you keep it comatose forever, it will be a weak little clone with an undesireable body.
B- If you raise it to work out and have a desireable body, you can't just say, "sorry clone.. your time has come. We are gonna take your brain out now, because the real you wants his body. And then your brain will be put through a garbage disposal.... good work though.. you served your purpose."
C- Putting it into your used 50 yr old body would be fucked up.
I think its a terrible idea. sorry.
craigcully
10-09-2005, 12:54 AM
how do you "raise" a clone for parts?
A- If you keep it comatose forever, it will be a weak little clone with an undesireable body.
B- If you raise it to work out and have a desireable body, you can't just say, "sorry clone.. your time has come. We are gonna take your brain out now, because the real you wants his body. And then your brain will be put through a garbage disposal.... good work though.. you served your purpose."
C- Putting it into your used 50 yr old body would be fucked up.
I think its a terrible idea. sorry.
Kinda got me thinking... do clones get the same rights as we do? If not we may as well put the clones to work as slaves until we have to harvest them for their bodies. I guess maybe this is why people are so scared to get into this area of science. I just wonder... have we ever stopped advancing in an area of science that society didn't agree with? This will be an issue someday, but probably not in my lifetime.
A- If you keep it comatose forever, it will be a weak little clone with an undesireable body.
B- If you raise it to work out and have a desireable body, you can't just say, "sorry clone.. your time has come. We are gonna take your brain out now, because the real you wants his body. And then your brain will be put through a garbage disposal.... good work though.. you served your purpose."
C- Putting it into your used 50 yr old body would be fucked up.
I think its a terrible idea. sorry.
Kinda got me thinking... do clones get the same rights as we do? If not we may as well put the clones to work as slaves until we have to harvest them for their bodies. I guess maybe this is why people are so scared to get into this area of science. I just wonder... have we ever stopped advancing in an area of science that society didn't agree with? This will be an issue someday, but probably not in my lifetime.
ghetto7o2azn
10-09-2005, 01:32 AM
if u transplanted the brain, wouldn't it just be a completely different person anyways, since all memory is stored there... you may as well just keep it in the clone and save yourself the trouble :screwy:
2.2 Straight six
10-09-2005, 11:01 AM
Kinda got me thinking... do clones get the same rights as we do? If not we may as well put the clones to work as slaves until we have to harvest them for their bodies. I guess maybe this is why people are so scared to get into this area of science. I just wonder... have we ever stopped advancing in an area of science that society didn't agree with? This will be an issue someday, but probably not in my lifetime.
a good book about this sorta thing, well its not focused on this its a story thats similar in bits but has some real wierd bits too, is "spares" by michael marshall smith. its about a guy who saves some children who were clones fo when the "real them" was injured bits would be harvested off them.
if u transplanted the brain, wouldn't it just be a completely different person anyways, since all memory is stored there... you may as well just keep it in the clone and save yourself the trouble :screwy:
what they mean is, they clone you, then when your body's past it they take YOUR brain an put it in the younger body of the clone, keeping what is essentially you, since your brain's in there.
a good book about this sorta thing, well its not focused on this its a story thats similar in bits but has some real wierd bits too, is "spares" by michael marshall smith. its about a guy who saves some children who were clones fo when the "real them" was injured bits would be harvested off them.
if u transplanted the brain, wouldn't it just be a completely different person anyways, since all memory is stored there... you may as well just keep it in the clone and save yourself the trouble :screwy:
what they mean is, they clone you, then when your body's past it they take YOUR brain an put it in the younger body of the clone, keeping what is essentially you, since your brain's in there.
ghetto7o2azn
10-09-2005, 06:05 PM
i guess i missread it
blakscorpion21
10-10-2005, 01:51 AM
i think it would be possible to simply make your own body live longer. your body is on a genetic clock and with a little genetic engineering you could easily extend life. they have already done this in mice. they extended mice's life by several times. if a tree can live 5000 years so can a human. if you transplanted brains the old one would eventually deteruiorate because even in a new body the brain is on the old clock and will continue to age just as it did in the old body. if you could figure a way to put all the information of your brain into A computer and then transfer it to the new brain then that would work. or better yet become a cyborg. lol
TexasF355F1
10-10-2005, 11:32 PM
Our life expectancy is continuing to grow already. While I think immortality is possible, it wouldn't happen any time soon. Still very far out of reach if you ask me. I personally am not a fan of cloning except for a specific body part (internal or external) to keep someone alive and or living a better life. Plus with cloning I think while it will still be your DNA somewhere through the process something will be added and or lost. I also think as soon as the 'clone' is produced its DNA could possibly create it's own set of DNA, not completely but something just slightly tweaked. Just my own theory.
AlmostStock
10-11-2005, 01:13 AM
This proceedure could yield you a new body every 30 years or so, perhaps greatly extending your life.
Like this one then check out -How life passes from planet to planet in a solar system
also -Evolution and viruses
Next one -Music to save all of humanity
This guy has a lot of wacky ideas. I like that.
Like this one then check out -How life passes from planet to planet in a solar system
also -Evolution and viruses
Next one -Music to save all of humanity
This guy has a lot of wacky ideas. I like that.
Schister66
10-14-2005, 12:16 AM
i think the abortion people wouldn't ever let this fly....but an interesting concept nonetheless......nice job.....
Thats why we genetically engineer them out of the gene pool....
I think another hurdle to stem cell research and genetic engineering is religion, but honestly it doesn't seem like religion has too much longer until its on its way out...People just don't seem to care as much anymore.
The world is changing and the only thing people can do about it is deal with it and adjust, there is no going back.
Thats why we genetically engineer them out of the gene pool....
I think another hurdle to stem cell research and genetic engineering is religion, but honestly it doesn't seem like religion has too much longer until its on its way out...People just don't seem to care as much anymore.
The world is changing and the only thing people can do about it is deal with it and adjust, there is no going back.
BP2K2Max
10-16-2005, 07:00 PM
so what would they do with the 50 year old body and the 20 year old brain?
ghetto7o2azn
10-17-2005, 12:49 AM
burn it for fun
inatalonIXLR8
10-17-2005, 10:15 AM
Cryogenic freezing for spare parts.
Schister66
10-19-2005, 01:41 PM
who knows what the future will hold...i just want to stay in my body and live for 80-100 years. After that i think i'd be content to die in my sleep.....i don't need to live for 1000 years, but it would be fun. The world would be soooo overpopulated that way!
ghetto7o2azn
10-19-2005, 10:18 PM
it doesnt matter how long you live, but how long u are active...
Muscletang
10-20-2005, 02:13 PM
I'm sorry but this theory holds no water. It's a good idea and you're in the right place.
How do you replace the brain because the brain cells will die. I understand you're thinking but the body will be the only thing young. After a while the brain will die and you'll have an old dying brain in a young body.
The good thing I see is that when you're brain starts to shut down and die, you won't be in an old body but a nice new kickin one.
How do you replace the brain because the brain cells will die. I understand you're thinking but the body will be the only thing young. After a while the brain will die and you'll have an old dying brain in a young body.
The good thing I see is that when you're brain starts to shut down and die, you won't be in an old body but a nice new kickin one.
BP2K2Max
10-20-2005, 02:25 PM
^ ever heard of neuro imaging, or brain mapping.
http://www.loni.ucla.edu/ICBM/. one of their goals is to be able to take all the info from your brain and make it like a computer program that can be uploaded into a new brain.
it brings up a whole load of problems though. like if you were 50 and got a new 20 year old body, should you look for some 20 year old girls to date or 50 year old ladies. the choice seems obvious but, what does someone with the life experience of a 50 year old have in common with a 20 year old? it would make like a whole new race of people almost, it'd be wierd.
http://www.loni.ucla.edu/ICBM/. one of their goals is to be able to take all the info from your brain and make it like a computer program that can be uploaded into a new brain.
it brings up a whole load of problems though. like if you were 50 and got a new 20 year old body, should you look for some 20 year old girls to date or 50 year old ladies. the choice seems obvious but, what does someone with the life experience of a 50 year old have in common with a 20 year old? it would make like a whole new race of people almost, it'd be wierd.
AlmostStock
10-20-2005, 03:13 PM
^^^ You'd just have to find a woman with a 50 year old brain who also got a "new" 20 year old body. :naughty:
It may be fun to talk about but I don't see this stuff ever happening.
It may be fun to talk about but I don't see this stuff ever happening.
blakscorpion21
10-20-2005, 06:01 PM
the information held in the brain is far too complex to be deciphered or stored by any computer today or in the near future. plus each brain has its own coding system so ud have to interpret info. from over a billion neurons. and each one can interact with every other so theres basically infinate connections to encode.
GForce957
10-20-2005, 06:07 PM
I dont see this happening. What about the concept of a soul?
The technology to do any of this is very far ahead.
It would be better to do genetic engineering on the original body, not do a frankenstein project, that probably wouldnt work right anyway.
The 50yr old brain might get alzheimer's or something of that nature, since it is still old.
What happens when the 20yr old body gets to 50? make a clone out of a clone? There could be complications to this.
The technology to do any of this is very far ahead.
It would be better to do genetic engineering on the original body, not do a frankenstein project, that probably wouldnt work right anyway.
The 50yr old brain might get alzheimer's or something of that nature, since it is still old.
What happens when the 20yr old body gets to 50? make a clone out of a clone? There could be complications to this.
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