Stop The Fighting!!!

in practically EVERY 2g eclipse forum, the battle between the GST/GSX and GS/RS goes on... so let's deal with it now and get it over with...

its between buying the GST/GSX and getting the turbo with

OR

buying the GS/RS and throwing in the turbo as aftermarket

I'm not going to even bother posting:rolleyes:

Instead of just saying one or the other, I am going to tell you why to get the GSX or GST. The GS and RS have higher compression motors, therefore, their ability to maintain high boost is almost no existent. This means that you have to rebuild the engine with lower compression pistons and put new rods and rings and all that good stuff in. The stock GST/GSX 4G63 can hold over 400 hp at the wheels on stock internals. So now lets consider your price options. Since you said you were looking in the 2G forums, I am assuming that you are looking for a 2G, so we'll go with the middle of the pack, the 97 model year. The prices I am seeing in the NC area for a 97 GST are in the $14k range. The average RS is around 9 or 10k and the GS is either 10 or 11k. Lets set your horsepower goal at 300 hp at the wheels, so here is your scenario, this is all without maintinance costs.

1997 GST- 14,000
Injen Intake- 190
Manual Boost Controller- 50
Turbo Back Exhaust- ~900
GReddy Front Mount- 850
Walbro FP- 100
550 Injectors- 280
SAFC- 300
T28 Turbo- 700
Clutch- 400
BOV- 200

Most of this is bolt on that you could do yourself. This should give you atleast 300 hp.

Now the NT to T

1997 GS- 12,000
HRC Turbokit- 3200 (stage 2 w/ fmic)
Turbo Back Exhaust- ~1000 (probably will have to do custom)
New pistons and rings- 600
New rods- 700
Labor- >1000
Clutch- 800 (gotta love modular clutches)

Since I am not sure about the 420A head capabilities, I can't tell you if the head would need to be reworked.

My friend Joe, who is working on doing the Turbo kit for his GS is going to come in and talk to you about this.

youre right there shouldnt be fighting. so let me try to help explain the dilema. gs/rs are worthless pieces of shit. if yore going to by a non turbo eclipse or talon you might as well get a civic.




i hope that helped.

Originally posted by talondvr
youre right there shouldnt be fighting. so let me try to help explain the you might as well get a civic.


and then swap a B16a into it and go faster....... :p


But seriously, the Eclipse is based on the Gallant, a car we get a lot of down here, especialy the VR4 from Japan, which uses the same 4G63 used in the Turbo Eclipse.
And a long with the higher hp engine the cars come equiped with bigger brakes, and differnt suspension, (as well as 4WD).
The important parts here however are brakes, and suspension.

Quite simply, and this is a problem the guys in the states who do engine swaps into thier Honda's have, by putting a significantly higher hp engine into a car than standard you also have to worry about how the rest of the cars performance will be effected.

i.e. when throwing a Turbo on a non-Turbo model eclipse you need to worry about things like brakes and suspension.
I dont know for sure, (haveing never seen an exlipse as they were never sold here) but I reackon that like all of Mitsi's other models, the Turbo eclipses have bigger brakes and differnt suspension tuning than the non-Turbo models.
So in order to make the non Turbo car as fast as the Turbo model you also need to upgrade brakes and suspension. (since a car that cant stop or go around corners is pretty useless)

Also the 4g63 is one of the strongest 4cly engines avliable, and is open to a lot of tuning potential (see post above) and despite being around since the late 80s it is still used in the new EVO VII and I wouldn't be surprised if its still around in the next model. Any of Mitsi's other 4cly engines are well, yeah, their ok, but not an engine I would choose to make lots of hp.