Turbo Civic vs Motor Swap Civic

I was looking at the modified civics in autotrader today and got to thinking, what would be faster (in the 1/4 mile or auto-x), a civic with a motor swap or a turbo civic?

I have a friend who swears that his 96 (i think) turbo stock motor civ would kill any h22 b16 and b18 civic on the street but ive personaly had and have seen some close races between another friends h22 civ and some pretty pewerful cars so i dont know.

The main reason i ask is because i plan on buying one here in a few months, and i want to buy one that has already been pre-modded.

The ones im looking at are
96 sedan with a t3/t4 (from a guy i know)
95 hatch with a GSR motor
95 h22a1 vtec hatch
93 b18c hatch,
92 hatchback b16a2 civic
92 crx b20 ls vtec
92 hatch si turbo(i dont know what kind of turbo)
91 hatch with a h22
and a 89 crx with a ZC motor

So assuming the motor swap civics had not much more than e/h/i done to them and the turbo civics were running on stock internals, and none of them were gutted what ones do you think would be faster, more reliable, more fun, and better mpg and also what has more potential for if i do modify it more myself?


*i posted this in other forum to see if i will get more responses*
and i did do a search before hand :)

dont post in more than once

ok sorry
but why not?

No matter what if you have f/i your reliability goes down the drain...and if you do want a car thats already been modded keep in mind that they have probably been driven pretty hard...now about the thing with stock turbo civic...that stock motor that comes in the civics are all sohc(besides 99-00 Si) so I would recommend a motor swap over a turbo D series...remember you can always turbo a B series which will result in more power than the D series...with your friend and his turbo sohc hes pretty stupid to think that he can kill any H22 or GSR swapped civic on the street...a turbo GSR hatch would rape the shit out of his little sohc...

No matter what if you have f/i your reliability goes down the drain...with your friend and his turbo sohc hes pretty stupid to think that he can kill any H22 or GSR swapped civic on the street
Where do you get your information?

Where do you get your information?

Im saying even if you build a turbo car with rebuilt internals and everything its still not going to be as reliable as it once was...about the other part his friend has the STOCK '96 civic motor which means thats the sohc motor...he turbocharged that and claims he can beat any h22 b16 or GSR swapped civic...

Im saying even if you build a turbo car with rebuilt internals and everything its still not going to be as reliable as it once was...about the other part his friend has the STOCK '96 civic motor which means thats the sohc motor...he turbocharged that and claims he can beat any h22 b16 or GSR swapped civic...
A turbocharged vehicle if put together right can be just as reliable as stock. It will require more up keep, but can be just as reliable as a stock car. And he probably can beat most swapped h22's and gsr's. A
conservative turbo set-up on a sohc would put down around 250whp. That is more than enough to beat any h22 or gsr from Honda.

A turbocharged vehicle if put together right can be just as reliable as stock. It will require more up keep, but can be just as reliable as a stock car. And he probably can beat most swapped h22's and gsr's. A
conservative turbo set-up on a sohc would put down around 250whp. That is more than enough to beat any h22 or gsr from Honda.

Now thats assuming that the H22 or GSR swapped civic is about stock because lets say a built GSR turbo civic comes...then what will happen...

Now thats assuming that the H22 or GSR swapped civic is about stock because lets say a built GSR turbo civic comes...then what will happen...
Yes but none of the swaps he mentioned are turbo. The point of the thread is to help him decide if he should buy a turbo sohc or a civic w/ a n/a swap.

O yea sorry I kind of went off topic, but if you have the money then get a swap...if not and you want fast power get a turbo for the sohc...

Build up the d16z6 and turbo the hell out of it. That is the cheapest route to get a lot of power. Blocks, heads, and transmissions are a dime a dozen, parts are cheap and plentiful (if you figure out where they're hiding on the net).

I've seen a super fast Turbo DOHC "D" Series ZC.

No offense, but stock NA hondas aren't that that fast until they are turboed. Turbos own all motor when it comes to honda.

i have a civic eg dx (d15b7)no vtec i jsut put a t25 turbo on (extremely small)w/hx mani,dsm bov,dsm side mount,and i tuned it with crome, and it made 175whp on wastegate(7.5psi??) and 227whp@14psi the motor is bone stock, even stock injectors! keep in mind that this car comes with 103bhp.
Im into the whole turbo kit $350! im into the hole car $2550! I'm running it at the track this friday.

Let us know what you run in this thread. Wouldn't be surprised by mid to low 15s.

turbod16.com ?????

turbo on a stock d16y8; i would look at about 200hp
that is plenty and can beat an H22 or GSR (no shit).

but is you turbo them, well that is a whole diffrent ball game(no shit).

watch this and shut up

https://umdrive.memphis.edu/kcharles/Stuff/TurboD16movie.wmv

i have a civic eg dx (d15b7)no vtec i jsut put a t25 turbo on (extremely small)w/hx mani,dsm bov,dsm side mount,and i tuned it with crome, and it made 175whp on wastegate(7.5psi??) and 227whp@14psi the motor is bone stock, even stock injectors! keep in mind that this car comes with 103bhp.
Im into the whole turbo kit $350! im into the hole car $2550! I'm running it at the track this friday.

Last night i ran this set up for the 1st time, all runs were on 14psi and my friend let me borrow his 20"slicks

1st run
60'ft.--------2.022
330'ft.-------5.750
1/8mile------8.854@81mph
1000'ft.-----11.500
1/4mile------13.761@100

2nd run
60'ft.-------2.12
330'ft.------5.777
1/8mile-----8.950@79
1000'ft.----11.592
1/4mile-----13.830@101


3run: broke axle

4th and final run
60'ft.-------1.894
330'ft.------5.600
1/8mile----- 8.694@83
1000'ft.----11.422
1/4mile-----13.588@101

i was pretty impressed with my trimes last night, im already wanting more power, so the mod list for next season is as follows"

skunk2 IM
450cc injectors
arp head studs
supertech valvetrain
16g turbo
shooting for 350-380whp

1st run
1/4mile------13.761@100
2nd run
1/4mile-----13.830@101
3run: broke axle
4th and final run
1/4mile-----13.588@101
i was pretty impressed with my trimes last night, im already wanting more power, so the mod list for next season is as follows"

those are fucking amazing time. almost to hard to beleive, but i am not callin BS.

i give you props

thanks, i dont think i would have seen any 13's last night if my friend didnt let me use his baby slicks. I cant wait for my friend to come back home from a trip he went on, he has a crx b16a w/75shot naawwws, and his best time was, 13.9@?? but that was on street tires) but he he's been gone for about 2weeks, and when he left i had just bought the car, and it was bone stock. I cant wait to race him, He'll be so pissed if i beat him.. considering he just dished out $2500 for jdm b16, and i got my car and turbo for same price.

i jsut bought a ex/si tranny($150) off a body of mine today, and also bought used si intake manifold for $20, so hopefully i'll see a little better times for next week!

slicks really hepl your time. most people dont realize this.

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Im sorry but your friend is full of shit. I had a h22 swap into a 94 civic coupe and i personally annihilated a turboed civic hatch, not sure what motor but obviously it was at the very least a d16 series, all i could hear is his blow off valve going off wayyyyy back there in the dust where i left him, which i think is funny cause he tried to be sneaky and jump me at the line. An H22 swap could keep up with supercharged v8's, vettes, and would blow any honda with anything lesser than the h22 out of the water, except maybe a built b20 swap which i raced and was pretty similar except my third gear pulled abit harder. Ive made many a civic driver feel stupid for thinking they're fast in there turbo si's. Turbo doesnt equal torque, it equals horsepower So use it on the highway otherwise get the fuck outta the way
That is one of the dumbest posts I have every read. I am not even going to waste my time explaining why, maybe someone else will enlighten you.

That is one of the dumbest posts I have every read. I am not even going to waste my time explaining why, maybe someone else will enlighten you.

Ill explain why since you cant, because of the torque/horsepower comment that makes no sense because torque and horsepower are inescapably linked by the fact that horsepower equals torque (in ft-pounds) times RPM divided by 5250, so people who talk as if they are independent are full of it. And yes i am full of it but i still say the turbo d16 aint shit, couldnt smoke a fucking cigarette much less anything on wheels.

Ill explain why since you cant, because of the torque/horsepower comment that makes no sense because torque and horsepower are inescapably linked by the fact that horsepower equals torque (in ft-pounds) times RPM divided by 5250, so people who talk as if they are independent are full of it. And yes i am full of it but i still say the turbo d16 aint shit, couldnt smoke a fucking cigarette much less anything on wheels.
You are an idiot, and I don't even like the sohc motors and I would never build one, but to say a turbo d could never be fast is stupid.
http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=13384

You are an idiot, and I don't even like the sohc motors and I would never build one, but to say a turbo d could never be fast is stupid.
http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=13384

Its fast alright, compared to stock d16..... yeah you would never build one but you defend it like its sitting in your driveway, i think you are stupid for replying to my first post... ever heard of sarcasm? look it up smart guy. turbod16.com sux ass, heres a link you need to checkout, www.imabitchwhotalksshitwhenImyselfdontknowwhatimt alkingabout.com,
oh yeah and one more thing, take a dirtnap bitch

Its fast alright, compared to stock d16..... yeah you would never build one but you defend it like its sitting in your driveway, i think you are stupid for replying to my first post... ever heard of sarcasm? look it up smart guy. turbod16.com sux ass, heres a link you need to checkout, www.imabitchwhotalksshitwhenImyselfdontknowwhatimt alkingabout.com,
oh yeah and one more thing, take a dirtnap bitch

you're pretty idiotic. there are plenty of turbo D16 putting out 300, 400hp. stock internals you can get about 200hp. not bad for less than a grand IMO.

Its fast alright, compared to stock d16..... yeah you would never build one but you defend it like its sitting in your driveway, i think you are stupid for replying to my first post... ever heard of sarcasm? look it up smart guy. turbod16.com sux ass, heres a link you need to checkout, www.imabitchwhotalksshitwhenImyselfdontknowwhatimt alkingabout.com,
oh yeah and one more thing, take a dirtnap bitch
you are a troll, please leave, thank you.