RSX Type S vs. Integra Type R

Alright guys, try to get rid of your biasness towards the RSX and tell me because my buddy thinks he can Smoke anyone with his Type R with a massive intake and exhaust. I said no. and he told me to pick a car in the same price range. Well i picked this one considering they have about the same HP. So tell me, which would win the Quarter mile??

The Type R but not by much....if he's as good of a driver as he is cocky he'll win, but if the RSXer is a good driver and he isn't (probably isn't guessing by his attitude).

However he'll get smoked by a SRT-4, especially modded. And that's in the same price range.

Depending on your source, 1/4 mile times are dangerously close- though I have seen some that favor the RSX BY THE SLIGHTEST MARGIN (2001 Type R: [email protected] vs. 2005 RSX-S: [email protected] MPH). I think it would definitely be a driver's race stock. With exhaust and intake he'd have an edge. And Canuck's right about the SRT-4, he'd get it handed to him. The new Eclipse GT (Invoice around 22,500) with a 14.3-14.5 quarter mile is another comparably priced car that would beat him. Granted, his car is at least 5 years older than these new models- so that's saying something about the Type R, but it's certainly not invincible. The irony is, if you go ask around in the Civic forum, you'll most likely find a couple of swapped and boosted Civvies that could blow his doors off. Stock specs don't mean too much nowadays when modding is so popular...

And what exactly qualifies as a "massive intake"? SRI or CAI?

Yeah, stock for stock is it a drivers race with the slight edge going to the RSX, but with an i/e the ITR has the advantage. An RSX with a CAI however.....

What does a Cav do in the quarter?

It's a SAI but it has a huge filter on it, the filter is massive.

I don't got a cavalier anymore, I just recently bought an 01 Celica GT. Not that fast, but i'm not a racer, i'm more into show cars. If I was a racer, I would probably perfer the RSX WAY over the intergra.

Why'd you take the Celica if you wanted a show car :p

jks

Have you seen the Top Secret Gold WBK Celica with the Mr2 engine and more? Pretty awesome.

I would rather take the Type R just my personal preference...RSX-S are nice but there are too many around where I live.

dont get me wrong, I like integra's just as much as the next guy, but I like the RSX a lot better. Way better body shape and just ot add to it, they dont make intrgra's anymore.

Do you know the theft rate or a Type R? Its insanely high. I'd never want a Type R because i'd always be scared.

All 3 Type Rs from my area are missing....

Anyone wanna buy a Type R? I have three to choose from...

:grinno:

that would be a horribly close race. The srt4 is not in the same hp range at all. Those also come with different mopar upgrades if you take that into consideration. Niether car would stand a chance. But another thing to consider is that the rsx has horrible drive train loss: more than the type r at least Im not sure if the rsx has the lsd like the type r so.. thats just one more thing to look out for...

Anyone wanna buy a Type R? I have three to choose from...
are they overnight from japan?
no really you parting I would like teh tranny

The RSX does not have a LSD and its drivetrain loss is not that bad....its average. Around 12-15% on average.

The cobalt SS would be another car to consider in this price range. It seems to be quite the fast car stock and can probably take the typeR.

Your best bet would be with an SRT-4 though. With minor mods you can crank out quite a few more HP.

The SRT-4, especially the SRT-4 ACR, is a great platform for modding. And the 06 WRX is a great deal.

back to the original topic....after all the question was what's faster a type-R or a RSX Type S. I've driven both cars back to back and i've seen them run at the track with my own eyes and the type R is faster any way you look at it. Not by a whole lot but by enough. I usually see people in stock rsx typeS's run mid 15's. I know their capable of 15 flats but this is average. I see the average type R run about 14.7-14.8. and i've seen them run as fast as 14.5 bone stock with a very good driver.

Yeah, the Type R is a bit better in straightline, cornering and braking.

Alright guys, try to get rid of your biasness towards the RSX and tell me because my buddy thinks he can Smoke anyone with his Type R with a massive intake and exhaust. I said no. and he told me to pick a car in the same price range. Well i picked this one considering they have about the same HP. So tell me, which would win the Quarter mile??

The rsx-s is faster!

Type-r:
195 hp
129 pounds of torque

Type-s:
200 hp
143 pounds pf torque

So even if the driver of the rsx-s he's a douche, the rsx-s should win without a doubt!

Yes, because peak horsepower and torque are the only variables in a race.


Where's the mega-rolleyes smilie when I need it?




What about weight? Gearing? Differential? Tires? Unsprung weight? Power delivery? Toruqe curve?

That's why even though the ITR has less peak HP and TQ it is still faster.

Elementary search engine figures kick ass. Seems pretty open and shut to me. Consider yourselves schooled.

daveersx-s- also: remember it's i-VTECKH vs. plain old VTECKH. The "i" makes all the difference...oui?

Yes, because peak horsepower and torque are the only variables in a race.


Where's the mega-rolleyes smilie when I need it?




What about weight? Gearing? Differential? Tires? Unsprung weight? Power delivery? Toruqe curve?

That's why even though the ITR has less peak HP and TQ it is still faster.
Im not going to pretend i know better than you, but if were talking about the weight of the car the type-s is 1250 kg and the type-r 1200 kg. Could this make the type-r faster, i don't think so? :nono:

What about gearing, traction, powerband............ Like Canuck said, Hp numbers don't mean much.

The type-r isn't really a fast car, but I hear that it is a blast to drive at the track and would run circles around the type-s in the twisties. That's all I care about.

The Type R is slightly lighter, but thats not the main advatange it has over the RSX. The Type R has much better tires than the RSX, it has a limited slip differential (as opposed to the open diff. in the RSX) and it has better gearing.

The rsx-s is faster!

Type-r:
195 hp
129 pounds of torque

Type-s:
200 hp
143 pounds pf torque

So even if the driver of the rsx-s he's a douche, the rsx-s should win without a doubt!

Why would you base what would win just off of the numbers they put out? Type R has shorter gearing and LSD and it is a little lighter...can the rsx-s 5hp advantage it has on the Type R be enough to win it? Yes the rsx-s has more torque but what about the torque curve? its not what car puts out better numbers its WHERE they put out those numbers...

Why would you base what would win just off of the numbers they put out? Type R has shorter gearing and LSD and it is a little lighter...can the rsx-s 5hp advantage it has on the Type R be enough to win it? Yes the rsx-s has more torque but what about the torque curve? its not what car puts out better numbers its WHERE they put out those numbers...

To be honnest, i never raced a type-r and i don't know about the torque curve! I have to admit, you guys seems to know better than me and i hope youll teach me! But guys, 15 lbs of torque should make a good difference, even if it's only numbers??

Torque does make a difference. But when you factor in other things that small advantage is all but negated. You have to look at the big picture.

Another factor was that the Type-R was built without any insulation to make the car as light as possible. The other factors canuk listed are another reason to take the TypeR over the TypeS. I just wish they had put an LSD in the TypeS from the beginning!

ivtec is also correct. You have to look at the torque and HP curves to see the kind of output the engine makes. For instance, the TypeR might have a lower peak torque, but if it reaches its peak faster than the TypeS and maintains the peak throughout the band, then it will be quicker. I doubt this is the case since the TypeS has an almost flat torque curve.

I'm sure if you make some slight mods with the TypeS, you could make it faster than the TypeR. I must admit that after putting on new rims and tires, the handling is much improved.

Stock for stock, the TypeR is best.

Another factor was that the Type-R was built without any insulation to make the car as light as possible. The other factors canuk listed are another reason to take the TypeR over the TypeS. I just wish they had put an LSD in the TypeS from the beginning!

ivtec is also correct. You have to look at the torque and HP curves to see the kind of output the engine makes. For instance, the TypeR might have a lower peak torque, but if it reaches its peak faster than the TypeS and maintains the peak throughout the band, then it will be quicker. I doubt this is the case since the TypeS has an almost flat torque curve.

I'm sure if you make some slight mods with the TypeS, you could make it faster than the TypeR. I must admit that after putting on new rims and tires, the handling is much improved.

Stock for stock, the TypeR is best.

What is a LSD???

It stands for Limited Slip Differential.

To see what it does, how it works, etc.:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm

Its a bit long and on multiple pages but its a good explanation.
But to put it very briefly it helps with traction.

both are good choices but i think the rsx have better handling. can get more power with bolt on and cams / kpro k100

No, the lighter Integra has better tires and better suspension.

It stands for Limited Slip Differential.

To see what it does, how it works, etc.:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm

Its a bit long and on multiple pages but its a good explanation.
But to put it very briefly it helps with traction.

But does the Type-r lose some horsepower throught the limited slip differential? I know that the type-r is NOT AWD, but is it a bit like the wrx; is there a lost of HP trhought the drivetrain???ThanKs!

Depending on your source, 1/4 mile times are dangerously close- though I have seen some that favor the RSX BY THE SLIGHTEST MARGIN (2001 Type R: [email protected] vs. 2005 RSX-S: [email protected] MPH). I think it would definitely be a driver's race stock. With exhaust and intake he'd have an edge. And Canuck's right about the SRT-4, he'd get it handed to him. The new Eclipse GT (Invoice around 22,500) with a 14.3-14.5 quarter mile is another comparably priced car that would beat him. Granted, his car is at least 5 years older than these new models- so that's saying something about the Type R, but it's certainly not invincible. The irony is, if you go ask around in the Civic forum, you'll most likely find a couple of swapped and boosted Civvies that could blow his doors off. Stock specs don't mean too much nowadays when modding is so popular...

And what exactly qualifies as a "massive intake"? SRI or CAI?

Dude are you kidding me.....where the fux did you get that quarter time from.....Motor Trend tested the R and pulled back to back to back to back 14.8's @ 97 mph. I personally being 215 pounds was pulling 14.7's and the best of a 14.61 at almost 99 mph BONE STOCK(spare tire 1/2 tank etc)........For better comparison, I never had a 5.0 mustang STOCK ever pull on me, I beat every one pretty good, and I could sit level with a 4.6 auto, not a manual though.

But does the Type-r lose some horsepower throught the limited slip differential? I know that the type-r is NOT AWD, but is it a bit like the wrx; is there a lost of HP trhought the drivetrain???ThanKs!

Nothing like a WRX....a WRX loses power because it has to power twice as many axles, an extra differential, driveshaft, rear end...etc. The power lost through the LSD is very minimal.

okay I think the ITR is better.

But which would win RSX type-S or Integra GSR?

RSX no contest over a GSR.

i say type-r but who the frik knows really. there are a million things that come into play on this. they need a car show just for this stuff. to straiten things up. and would someone get this kid out of here daveersx-s

lol, dudes, I posted this thread like later last year. Thats crazy that it is still going.

The only reason I posted this is because my boss had an ITR and i thought the type-s could beat it in a race considering he thought his ITR could beat everyones car. So I thought I would try to prove him wrong.

So we havn't came to a conclusion yet?

RedCavalierRacer started this thread :p


And its a drivers race, the better driver would win the race because the ITR and RSX-S are so close to each other.

I am RedcavalierRacer. I changed my screen name to accommadate my new car. I sold the cavi

cool celicas are better anyway. but like he said it is a drivers race everyone

that makes sense. I guess there would be a lot of factors in which ever car wins too.