Engine swapping question

im eventually going to be replacing the engine in my car, now as to how soon that happens im not sure, but my car is a 96 2.2 L manual cavalier, now is it possible for me to put in a 2.4L engine into it, and what would be the advantages disadvantages of doing this?

the 2.4l engine that came in the cavs? if so then then it should be / most likely be a direct swap, you will have a lil bit more displacment and a lil bit more hp stock.

advantages, a lil bit more hp in stock form

disadvantages, well the engine costs quite abit for that lil bit of hp and .2 liters more.

im guessing thats right, i could be a lil bit wrong.

the 2.4l engine that came in the cavs? if so then then it should be / most likely be a direct swap, you will have a lil bit more displacment and a lil bit more hp stock.

advantages, a lil bit more hp in stock form

disadvantages, well the engine costs quite abit for that lil bit of hp and .2 liters more.

im guessing thats right, i could be a lil bit wrong.

wrong..the 2.4 is NOT a direct swap into a 2.2 stock cav...your going to need wiring harness' ,motor mounts ,ECU
your best bet is to buy a recked Z24 and rip the guts out and replace it exactly how you found it in the reck into your car....OR sell your car and buy a Z24 all together...those are the 2 cheapest ways

and the disadvantages of it costing more cuz its .2L more? ,,,that doesnt even make sense..it has nothing to do with how many more litres it is that makes it more expensive..the 2.2, 2.4, 3.1, 3.8, 5.0, 5.8 are discriptions as to how much of a fuel to air mixture for combustion the engine uses

theres no real disadvantage to having a 2.4 except that its a DOHC and maintenance might be more then a OHV dont quote me on it tho...they might actually end up being the same to fix..

advantages would be if you like speed its alot cheaper to get more out of a 2.4 since it takes better to mods..and stock engine itself can compete with some of the best sports cars out there already which is pretty good.

but the point really being...if your going to perform a swap on your can cuz theres sentimental value i would buy a reck or write off with the engine and tranny left alone and rip EVERYTHING out of the Z24 and put it into your car. cheaper buying the car for like 500-800 bucks and getting EVERYTHING then paying 1000 for an engine--200 for the ECU--300 for the wiring harness--etc

and the disadvantages of it costing more cuz its .2L more? ,,,that doesnt even make sense..it has nothing to do with how many more litres it is that makes it more expensive..the 2.2, 2.4, 3.1, 3.8, 5.0, 5.8 are discriptions as to how much of a fuel to air mixture for combustion the engine usesI believe the point he was trying to make is that he would be going through a lot of effort and cost just to increase his horse power due to the extra displacement. He wasn't saying the engine costs more just because of the extra .2L per se.

And the engine size (2.2, 2.4, 3.1 or 357, 409 of yester-year) isn't how much air/fuel mixture a vehicle uses. It's the volume of displacement an engine has (presuming a conventional piston-driven engine). It's calculated by the area of the piston * stroke length * number of cylinders giving you the approximate displaced volume.

You can't use air as a volume measurement because it's compressible. A 2.4 stock engine would use less air then a 2.4 turbocharged vehicle, but both still have the same displacement. Since a liquid is nearly uncompressable, you could think of displacement as the approximate amount of water that would be forced out of an engine after every cylinder has gone through 1 stroke.

cdru is right on this one.

id say it wouldnt really be worth the effort.. you could bore out your old motor... new internals.. then turbo it :p lot of money tho.

wrong..the 2.4 is NOT a direct swap into a 2.2 stock cav...your going to need wiring harness' ,motor mounts ,ECU

umm, i thought the 2.2L and the 2.4L was the same engine just bored + stroked a lil bit more, so really wouldnt need motor mounts.

and the disadvantages of it costing more cuz its .2L more? ,,,that doesnt even make sense..

it does so make sence, for that lil ass hp gain and .2L of displacement he gains from doing a $1300+ swap is useless for that same 1300 he could get forged internals and possibly a turbo set up lower the compresion ratio and hit it with 10 psi and be making close to 300hp

it has nothing to do with how many more litres it is that makes it more expensive..the 2.2, 2.4, 3.1, 3.8, 5.0, 5.8 are discriptions as to how much of a fuel to air mixture for combustion the engine uses

this makes you look real smart. :eek7: might wanna do a lil bit of research before you say this again "2.2, 2.4, 3.1, 3.8, 5.0, 5.8 are discriptions as to how much of a fuel to air mixture for combustion" wow. your real smart.




I believe the point he was trying to make is that he would be going through a lot of effort and cost just to increase his horse power due to the extra displacement. He wasn't saying the engine costs more just because of the extra .2L per se.

my point exactly.





id say it wouldnt really be worth the effort.. you could bore out your old motor... new internals.. then turbo it lot of money tho.

dont even bother boring it, that .2L isnt gonna get you shit unless you just wanna spend money.


do what i said you could hit 300hp easy, just becasreful of torque steer.

the 2.2 and 2.4 are not the same engine with a bigger bore on the cylinders on the 2.4...2.2 is OHV Over Head Valve
2.4 is DOHC Dual Over Head Cam
sorry if i made a mistake of what the displacement meaning...thought thast what it was cuz someone told me that...i didnt say i was a god when it came to car knowledge...but i DO know enough that those 2 engines are pretty different from each other for them not to be a direct swap...i dont care if i got the meaning for 2.2 or 2.4 wrong..im still right when i say you would need motor mounts ECU and the wireing harness...i might be wrong but i think the exhuast pipe would have to be cut shorter aswell since the header is in the back of the motor instead of the front like the 2.2 is...and you would need motor mounts cuz the motor is pretty much flipped...TB in front headers in back on the 2.4 and headers in front TB in the back for the 2.2

and as for the .2L more...you want to run a turbo setup on a 2.2 to hit 300HP but if you took EXACTLY the same parts or money for that matter to get that 300hp turbo setup on a 2.2 you could hit 350 on a DOHC...the benefit of going 2.4DOHC is way more worth the money when it comes to upgrading it...they have more potential...if you wanna do up an engine to its max then go with the 2.4 rather then the 2.2 cuz its not worth dropping 5 grand into the 2.2 to end up with like 300 horse when you could have spent that 5 grand on the 2.4 and got 400+

dont sit there and call me down AFTER someone else corrects me..cuz i know that when it comes to mechanics...you know jack by the sounds of it...if you cant tell the difference between the 2 cars...dont say anything


thanks cdru for correcting me on the whole displacement thing...i honestly thought it was the air to fuel ratio since thats what i was told

but dont get me wrong...im not saying its not worth fixing up a 2.2..hell thats what im working on now...2.2 with a T25 turbo setup running 8 psi , but my point being..if you wanna do a swap..buy a write off with the engine and tranny untouched..and replace everything from the 2.2 with the 2,4

the 2.2 and 2.4 are not the same engine with a bigger bore on the cylinders on the 2.4...2.2 is OHV Over Head Valve
2.4 is DOHC Dual Over Head Cam
sorry if i made a mistake of what the displacement meaning...thought thast what it was cuz someone told me that...i didnt say i was a god when it came to car knowledge...but i DO know enough that those 2 engines are pretty different from each other for them not to be a direct swap...i dont care if i got the meaning for 2.2 or 2.4 wrong..im still right when i say you would need motor mounts ECU and the wireing harness...i might be wrong but i think the exhuast pipe would have to be cut shorter aswell since the header is in the back of the motor instead of the front like the 2.2 is...and you would need motor mounts cuz the motor is pretty much flipped...TB in front headers in back on the 2.4 and headers in front TB in the back for the 2.2

and as for the .2L more...you want to run a turbo setup on a 2.2 to hit 300HP but if you took EXACTLY the same parts or money for that matter to get that 300hp turbo setup on a 2.2 you could hit 350 on a DOHC...the benefit of going 2.4DOHC is way more worth the money when it comes to upgrading it...they have more potential...if you wanna do up an engine to its max then go with the 2.4 rather then the 2.2 cuz its not worth dropping 5 grand into the 2.2 to end up with like 300 horse when you could have spent that 5 grand on the 2.4 and got 400+

dont sit there and call me down AFTER someone else corrects me..cuz i know that when it comes to mechanics...you know jack by the sounds of it...if you cant tell the difference between the 2 cars...dont say anything


thanks cdru for correcting me on the whole displacement thing...i honestly thought it was the air to fuel ratio since thats what i was told


look for say 3000 bucks you get a nice turbo and a the forged internals, you put them in the 2.2, now if you spend that 3000 on the 2.4 liter swap, wdf are you gonna spend on making it hit 400hp? do you have millions of dollars to just pump into your ride? i know i dont.

oh and btw, if you just wanna sit there throwing tons of cash at your ride to make it faster you could just throw the monte carlo 3.8 into it and get it so it can handle like 15psi there you go, 550+hp in a fwd car...

i didnt say you had to be rich to do it...i said if you were to make a project of your car for the fastest car you can make out of a cavalier to go with the Z24 engine...and the guy that made the thread NEVER said anything about buying a damn turbo...so let up on the damn turbo subject...he wants to swap to a 2.4..im saying that its a better idea cuz after if he wants to upgrade AFTER, then the 2.4 will take to mods better

so for the hassle i might as well just keep with a 2.2 litre engine, and for the shape my car is in, its cheaper to buy a new engine for a grand than to get a new car is why im interested in this, because i can get the engine put in for free. and i agree with mod'd cav, i just asked if it would be worth while, but not for all the hassle, and definatly no turbo, im just looking for a new engine, i mainly want my car to look nice, doesnt need to go 200 km/h

Viper Storm:

Not many people turbo 2.2's because they are push rod engines. What is the redline on them anyway? You could barely get a small turbo spooled before you hit redline. Pushrod engines dont do well in higher RPM's when a turbo would get spooled, thats why people put superchargers on them, no spool.

WTF are you talking about spending money? You're the one that came in here shooting off you mouth about a 3.8 TT AWD swap.

550 hp in a FWD car? That much hp in a FWD = smoke, smoke = no traction.

Mod'd Cav made a simple mistake (which was true to a certain extent) and I dont appreciate you riding him about it.

faroutguy..it would be worth it to drop the z24 in ur car for a grand and free installation...if you can i would go for it right away...thor..thanks for backing me up but its not even the point..this nimrod is going back and forth on what he knows about vehicles..he talks about dropping AWD in a cav but then complains about me talking like you gotta be filthy rich to swap a fuckin Z24 and addin a turbo....but on the point of adding AWD on a cav...maybe you should learn yourself the difference between the 2 subcars before you go and try adding 4 wheel drive on a car when you dont even know the engine that would be turning those wheels...bigger bore on the cylinders ?...how long have you been in this forum to NOT know the difference between 2.2 and 2.4...fuck i mean its only discussed like what..every second day when some dumb fuck like you comes on here and says something like 2.2 SOHC or stock 2.2 taking 25psi on stock internals or some other shit and actually argues that its true , shit like that is right up there on the bullshit scale...learn some shit before you try and talk shit to other ppl

oh by the way...it wouldnt take millions to swap a Z24 and turbo it you fuck head maybe you should go back to school and learn math while your at it

Viper Storm:


WTF are you talking about spending money? You're the one that came in here shooting off you mouth about a 3.8 TT AWD swap.

550 hp in a FWD car? That much hp in a FWD = smoke, smoke = no traction.



no and you missed it aswell, from that post that was made there i was under the impression that i would have to convert to rwd that is why i asked about AWD, why cant you losers just fucking read? stop pulling words out of your ass and trying to put them in my mouth.

lol, and yea im new here, hey i assumed the engine would be the same, just for a lil bit more bore or stroke.

and mod'd_cav your still stupid for believing that those numbers ment some kind of shit for fuel/air mixture, who believes that shit? did you just fall off a turnip truck? i mean wdf? i made an honest mistake, im new here and your best excuse for being stupid is well someone told me that... LOL!!!!! :loser:

no and you missed it aswell, from that post that was made there i was under the impression that i would have to convert to rwd that is why i asked about AWD, why cant you losers just fucking read? stop pulling words out of your ass and trying to put them in my mouth.

lol, and yea im new here, hey i assumed the engine would be the same, just for a lil bit more bore or stroke.

and mod'd_cav your still stupid for believing that those numbers ment some kind of shit for fuel/air mixture, who believes that shit? did you just fall off a turnip truck? i mean wdf? i made an honest mistake, im new here and your best excuse for being stupid is well someone told me that... LOL!!!!! :loser: Now, now kids stop your fighting. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Jeez. They guy doesnt want a shit load of HP he just wants a new engine. Dude if you like the 2.2 why dont you just rebuild the engine?

And if you want a 2.4L do what i believe Mod'd Cav said just get a 2.4L out of a wrecked Z24 and put it in. Let us know what u decide. :)

rebuilding is something i dont know how to do or have time to do really, and neither does the mechanic i know, so ill debate whether or not to buy a wrecked z24 and use the engine or whether to stick with a 2.2, i already have 1 parts car, but its got alot of kms on it aswell, and its not a z24, so it might be a pain in the ass to have another car sitting around

and mod'd_cav your still stupid for believing that those numbers ment some kind of shit for fuel/air mixture, who believes that shit? did you just fall off a turnip truck? i mean wdf? i made an honest mistake, im new here and your best excuse for being stupid is well someone told me that... LOL!!!!! :loser:
Ok, let me illustrate mod'd cav's point. An engine with more displacement has more space to fill. Assuming that the air/fuel isnt being forced into the engine, the bigger engines will draw in more air/fuel mixture into the engine than the smaller ones because there is more space to fill. Mod'd cav's point is that the bigger the engine, the more air and fuel it draws into the engine. So a 2.2 uses less than a 2.4, the 2.4 uses less than the 3.1, and the 3.1 uses less than the 3.8, and so on and so forth.
would it be possible to convert the car to awd?
Yes I can read, and you know what that quote says to me? That you want to convert it to AWD, if you didnt want to why would you ask?

Mod'd Cav went of off what someone else told him, and it was a little incorrect. BIG FUCKIN DEAL. Atleast he has an excuse "being stupid"....

Ok, let me illustrate mod'd cav's point. An engine with more displacement has more space to fill. Assuming that the air/fuel isnt being forced into the engine, the bigger engines will draw in more air/fuel mixture into the engine than the smaller ones because there is more space to fill. Mod'd cav's point is that the bigger the engine, the more air and fuel it draws into the engine. So a 2.2 uses less than a 2.4, the 2.4 uses less than the 3.1, and the 3.1 uses less than the 3.8, and so on and so forth.

Yes I can read, and you know what that quote says to me? That you want to convert it to AWD, if you didnt want to why would you ask?

Mod'd Cav went of off what someone else told him, and it was a little incorrect. BIG FUCKIN DEAL. Atleast he has an excuse "being stupid"....

yea, again, the dude made it sound like i was gonna have to convert to rwd so i can put the bigger engine in it, now if your going trough all the trouble of making in rwd it is absolutely no harder to make the car awd then it would be to make it rwd as the only diffrence would be the f-ing tranny.

oh and btw, i didnt come in shooting off at the mouth about making the car awd, my orginal f-ing question was can i put the 3.8 v6 in the f-ing car. now wasnt it? so thank you for nothing.

yea, again, the dude made it sound like i was gonna have to convert to rwd so i can put the bigger engine in it, now if your going trough all the trouble of making in rwd it is absolutely no harder to make the car awd then it would be to make it rwd as the only diffrence would be the f-ing tranny.
Oh so you went off of what some one else said? Let me find that quote...
and your best excuse for being stupid is well someone told me that... LOL!!!!! :loser:

would it be possible to convert the car to awd?
Again, what does that say?
thank you for nothing.
You're welcome. Next time you come in here trying to put people down AFTER someone else already corrected them, I will not hesitate to rip you ANOTHER ass hole.

Oh so you went off of what some one else said? Let me find that quote...



Again, what does that say?

You're welcome. Next time you come in here trying to put people down AFTER someone else already corrected them, I will not hesitate to rip you ANOTHER ass hole.


he was talking about a v8, ever see your post count go backwords? watch carefully.

just so you know, you have 408

oh and btw tough guy, how come you didnt bother to correct the other guy then? hmmmm? i think its becasue you dont know wdf your talking about, you come to the cav section for help or what ever and your best help comes from a dude with a riced out cav and a some dude with an old beat ass dsm. i think i will just buy me a haynes manual and do it my self since none of you are willing to bring your head out of your ass.

oh and btw tough guy, how come you didnt bother to correct the other guy then? hmmmm? i think its becasue you dont know wdf your talking about, you come to the cav section for help or what ever and your best help comes from a dude with a riced out cav and a some dude with an old beat ass dsm. i think i will just buy me a haynes manual and do it my self since none of you are willing to bring your head out of your ass.
Oh no not my post count! Post count means nothing. Case in point: you have over 1800 and you dont know shit. Who gives a fuck if hes got a body kit? I bet it looks better than YOUR car. Yeah I get help thats what I am here for. That beat up DSM in my sig is my friends car that I work on, not the one of someone that I get help from. Go get your haynes manual and I bet it wont be able to tell you how to throw in anything other that whats in there. The only reason I corrected you is becausey you are an ass hole. Please get the fuck out of our forum.

Oh no not my post count! Post count means nothing. Case in point: you have over 1800 and you dont know shit. Who gives a fuck if hes got a body kit? I bet it looks better than YOUR car. Yeah I get help thats what I am here for. That beat up DSM in my sig is my friends car that I work on, not the one of someone that I get help from. Go get your haynes manual and I bet it wont be able to tell you how to throw in anything other that whats in there. The only reason I corrected you is becausey you are an ass hole. Please get the fuck out of our forum.


im an asshole, so you judge me before you even meet me? exelent :bigthumb: whatever no one needs your help, ever since my first post i have felt you guys have been against me the whole time, so im an asshole but yet you guys have been giving me shit since my first post? perfect i guess

you are an asshole. I would take his advise over yours anyday. you spend too much time trying to insult people and pretending to know shit that you don't. and when you're not, you're bitching because people are giving you a "hard time." grow up. sometimes you just need to STFU.

you are an asshole. I would take his advise over yours anyday. you spend too much time trying to insult people and pretending to know shit that you don't. and when you're not, you're bitching because people are giving you a "hard time." grow up. sometimes you just need to STFU.

again, are you reading the same page or what? just pulling stuff out of your ass huh? i didnt start this shit, mod'd_cav tried to disrespect / insult me first, all i tried to do was help.

and again, i assumed that the 2.2 and 2.4 engines where the same engine, SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking scumbags.

im an asshole, so you judge me before you even meet me? exelent :bigthumb: whatever no one needs your help, ever since my first post i have felt you guys have been against me the whole time, so im an asshole but yet you guys have been giving me shit since my first post? perfect i guessYou judged mod'd when you called him stupid before meeting him now didnt you? I dont care if no one needs my help. Sorry man, but you wanted to remote twin turbo a 3.8 drop in your 96 cav and convert it to RWD, not many people will see the logic.

You judged mod'd when you called him stupid before meeting him now didnt you? I dont care if no one needs my help. Sorry man, but you wanted to remote twin turbo a 3.8 drop in your 96 cav and convert it to RWD, not many people will see the logic.


no not at all, i didnt wanna convert anything but the engine. i asked if i could make the car awd (if i was gonna have to make it rwd why not right?)

and then after i asked about awd i asked if it was possible to keep the car FWD which no one responed to.

yea, and what i said about mod'd cav was becasue he took what i said turned it upside down and backwords just so he can try to make me look like a retard.

whatever point your trying to make isnt working man..your only digging yourself a hole and pretty soon your not going to be able to get out of it...i have nothing against you..never did...mostly cuz i dont know you...but the point being you dissed me AFTER someone else corrected me...in my book i call that taking someone elses work...YOU are in no position to make fun of my thinking that 2.2 was the fuel to air mixture seeing as how you didnt know the difference between a 2.2 and a 2.4..we both came in this thread with the motive to help someone out..and we both came into this thread with a fault..i see that as even playing ground...i made a mistake someone corrected me..i appologized...dont take someone elses credit and flame me for my mistake...i was not wrong about the swap with the motor or the difference between the 2 motors...you can ask anyone in this forum...they will side with me on that logic..i didnt mean to offend you by correcting you on the fact that the 2.2 is an OHV and the 2.4 is a DOHC im only stating a fact...my thinking that 2.2 equaling fuel to air mixture is irrelavent...wether i was right or wrong it has no affect on screwing up the guy that started the threads decision...let it go man...you can argue all you want with everyone else about what youve said and havent said...the truth is your only digging your self a hole...yes..u asked about a twin turbo set up on a 3.8 and you asked about AWD....if you wanna come on here and rip me out on knowing shit cuz apperently you know more then me..then why are you asking questions like that when you should know right ?...i dont know..maybe its just me..but by the sounds of it the way you talk you seem to know alot..so why bother asking about twin turbo AWD 3.8 cavaliers...and no post counts DO NOT state knowledge of a subject...only how many times you said something..false or true...and by the sounds of it..more false then true...but im not going to judge..dont worry ill be bigger then that *wink wink...especially being as how i havent been here that long..you can tell by my 250-300 post count..so im technically pretty stupid still lol..but it sounds to me like you have history and its not exactly a good history...just cut the shit out and let it go man...we were even when we started..i would like to be even when we finish..not you getting your ass handed by EVERYONE in this forum cuz you couldnt keep your mouth shut...theres a time to fight and theres a time to walk away...i think its time to walk away viperstorm

again, are you reading the same page or what? just pulling stuff out of your ass huh? i didnt start this shit, mod'd_cav tried to disrespect / insult me first, all i tried to do was help.


by the way you dip shit...where in there besides my mistake did i take what you said and turned it upside down and backwards to make you look retarded

wrong..the 2.4 is NOT a direct swap into a 2.2 stock cav...your going to need wiring harness' ,motor mounts ,ECU
your best bet is to buy a recked Z24 and rip the guts out and replace it exactly how you found it in the reck into your car....OR sell your car and buy a Z24 all together...those are the 2 cheapest ways

and the disadvantages of it costing more cuz its .2L more? ,,,that doesnt even make sense..it has nothing to do with how many more litres it is that makes it more expensive..the 2.2, 2.4, 3.1, 3.8, 5.0, 5.8 are discriptions as to how much of a fuel to air mixture for combustion the engine uses

theres no real disadvantage to having a 2.4 except that its a DOHC and maintenance might be more then a OHV dont quote me on it tho...they might actually end up being the same to fix..

advantages would be if you like speed its alot cheaper to get more out of a 2.4 since it takes better to mods..and stock engine itself can compete with some of the best sports cars out there already which is pretty good.

but the point really being...if your going to perform a swap on your can cuz theres sentimental value i would buy a reck or write off with the engine and tranny left alone and rip EVERYTHING out of the Z24 and put it into your car. cheaper buying the car for like 500-800 bucks and getting EVERYTHING then paying 1000 for an engine--200 for the ECU--300 for the wiring harness--etc

this is a section on your post you made AFTER the other guy corrected me...if im not mistaken..i think you started the disrespecting

this makes you look real smart. might wanna do a lil bit of research before you say this again "2.2, 2.4, 3.1, 3.8, 5.0, 5.8 are discriptions as to how much of a fuel to air mixture for combustion" wow. your real smart.

oh wait...this one too

and mod'd_cav your still stupid for believing that those numbers ment some kind of shit for fuel/air mixture, who believes that shit? did you just fall off a turnip truck? i mean wdf? i made an honest mistake, im new here and your best excuse for being stupid is well someone told me that... LOL!!!!!

get my drift ?

i only corrected you on what you were wrong with..i didnt call you down..i didnt called you names...ill call you names now..only cuz you deserve it now...i only stated facts besides the air to fuel ratio being wrong...get your fuckin eyes checked...cuz if you really read it..it sounds more like im talking to the guy that started the thread...NOT you

and correct me if im wrong but was it not that you actually took what i said and blew it totally out of proportion and turned it backwards and inside out to make it sound like i was trying to make you sound retarded

i dont know..but it sounds more like the only person that made you sound retarded was YOU...cuz nowhere in my original post did i flame you or call you names or talk shit about you but now we've got a bunch of ppl in here setting you straight

oh and btw tough guy, how come you didnt bother to correct the other guy then? hmmmm? i think its becasue you dont know wdf your talking about, you come to the cav section for help or what ever and your best help comes from a dude with a riced out cav and a some dude with an old beat ass dsm. i think i will just buy me a haynes manual and do it my self since none of you are willing to bring your head out of your ass.

saying shit like this...my "riced out" cav and a "old beat ass" dsm isnt a good idea...not only is that disrespecting other ppls rides (which 2000 posts later you should know thats a pretty big rule around here) its also a pretty dick move on your part...and from my experience, ppl that talk out of their ass like that..are usually jelous cuz their ride..really is a piece of shit.

smarten up so i dont have to take you to school again.

whatever point your trying to make isnt working man..your only digging yourself a hole and pretty soon your not going to be able to get out of it...i have nothing against you..never did...mostly cuz i dont know you...but the point being you dissed me AFTER someone else corrected me...in my book i call that taking someone elses work...YOU are in no position to make fun of my thinking that 2.2 was the fuel to air mixture seeing as how you didnt know the difference between a 2.2 and a 2.4..we both came in this thread with the motive to help someone out..and we both came into this thread with a fault..i see that as even playing ground...i made a mistake someone corrected me..i appologized...dont take someone elses credit and flame me for my mistake...i was not wrong about the swap with the motor or the difference between the 2 motors...you can ask anyone in this forum...they will side with me on that logic..i didnt mean to offend you by correcting you on the fact that the 2.2 is an OHV and the 2.4 is a DOHC im only stating a fact...my thinking that 2.2 equaling fuel to air mixture is irrelavent...wether i was right or wrong it has no affect on screwing up the guy that started the threads decision...let it go man...you can argue all you want with everyone else about what youve said and havent said...the truth is your only digging your self a hole...yes..u asked about a twin turbo set up on a 3.8 and you asked about AWD....if you wanna come on here and rip me out on knowing shit cuz apperently you know more then me..then why are you asking questions like that when you should know right ?...i dont know..maybe its just me..but by the sounds of it the way you talk you seem to know alot..so why bother asking about twin turbo AWD 3.8 cavaliers...and no post counts DO NOT state knowledge of a subject...only how many times you said something..false or true...and by the sounds of it..more false then true...but im not going to judge..dont worry ill be bigger then that *wink wink...especially being as how i havent been here that long..you can tell by my 250-300 post count..so im technically pretty stupid still lol..but it sounds to me like you have history and its not exactly a good history...just cut the shit out and let it go man...we were even when we started..i would like to be even when we finish..not you getting your ass handed by EVERYONE in this forum cuz you couldnt keep your mouth shut...theres a time to fight and theres a time to walk away...i think its time to walk away viperstorm

sounds ok i guess, but then you go on to disrespect me some more...

how about this idea, we (you (mod'd_cav), Thor06, and i) forget about this shit, and start all over again?

sorry for disrespecting both of you.

sounds ok i guess, but then you go on to disrespect me some more...

dood you had it coming as soon as your started at the beginning of the thread

deal..ill forget it happened...just dont try that shit again man...now hopefully thor will let it go now too lol

dood you had it coming as soon as your started at the beginning of the thread

deal..ill forget it happened...just dont try that shit again man...now hopefully thor will let it go now too lol
Well I WONT DAMNIT :nono: ahahahahahah :rofl:

shit i think i have carpel tun syndrome from those 2 posts lol

i think since i have my answers and this flaming has gone on long enough forgotten or not, this topic should get locked now, and viper definatly broke the rules of not dissing someones car, doesnt that call for anything?

i think since i have my answers and this flaming has gone on long enough forgotten or not, this topic should get locked now, and viper definatly broke the rules of not dissing someones car, doesnt that call for anything?
YEP .

deal..ill forget it happened...just dont try that shit again man...
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god damn, this is quite a thread