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murraydeschot

09-17-2005, 03:52 AM

Okay ... not necessarily F1 centric, but more a fun poll of opinion ...

Okay, here's a fun (I hope!) one.

Let's set the scene. The long lost uncle that emigrated to Australia years ago, shuffled off this mortal coil and his lawyers have contacted you to tell you the good news - you're the sole benificiary to the diamond, platinum and opel mining empire he founded.

Congratulations you've just landed the big one. You're competing now in MAJOR stakes. The new pad, resplendent with infinity swimming pools(!), jacuzzis, home cinema, hot tubs and helicopter pad to shuttle you to your awaiting Dassault Falcon or land you in the marina beside your Wallypower 118, also has 15 spaces in the garage. How would you fill it?

My suggestions:

1) Summer Sports Car - Ferrari F430 Spyder (Silverstone Silver)
http://www.calshop.biz/FERRARI.jpg
2) Winter Sports Car - Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (Silver)
http://www.myevo.com/gallardo.jpg
3) Daily Driver - Bentley Arnage T (Moroccan Blue)
http://www.autoshow.ro/images/wallpaper/bentleyArnageT_1024.jpg
4) " Puppy" Mobile - Range Rover Supercharged with full Overfinch Upgrade. (Silver)
http://overfinch.com/mediaLibrary/images/english/1018.jpg

5) McLaren F1 with HD Kit (Blue, as in Chassis #011)
See here ... http://www.mclarenfreak.com/photo_149.jpg

6) McLaren F1LM (Papaya Orange)
http://www.fast-autos.net/mclaren/f1lm13.jpg
7) Bugatti Veyron (Silver/Black)
http://www.atspeedimages.com/limerock_2003/concours/bugatti_veyron/bugatti_veyron_nose_3.jpg
8) Dauer Bugatti EB110 GT (Silver)
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/80-7.jpg
9) Jaguar XJR 15 (another Peter Stevens' design classic, although apparently a SERIOUSLY evil handling car)
http://www.motorimania.net/manifestazioni/sportive/images_jaguar/d_xjr_15_12.jpg
10) Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR AMG (Red)
http://www.autosalon-singen.de/mercedes/mercedes-benz_clk_gtr_03454_0016_01_08_05.jpg
11) Pagani Zonda C12 S 7.3 (Silver)
http://www.x-t-c.com/wallpapers/images/pagani_zonda_c12s_03.jpg
12) Tramontana (Carbon) - http://www.tramontanagroup.com/
http://www.tramontanagroup.com/img/cotxe/baja/picture2_small.jpg
13) Lancia Stratos (Red)
http://www.blackhawkcollection.com/image/cars/1974%20lancia%20stratos%20f.jpg
14) Bugatti Type 57SC Atlantic (Only 3 built - Value Priceless!)
http://www.ritzsite.net/Bugatti_T57/Bugatti_T57_SC_Atlantic_1937_r3q.jpg

15) Ex-Formula One Car With Stellar provenance, i.e. ex-Senna or ex-Schumacher.

Now what are your thoughts?

Jimmyc

09-17-2005, 07:07 AM

ok here goes

1 F1 without HDF kit
2 F1 with HDF kit
3 Ueno clinic F1
4 LM (Black)
5 250 GTO
6 F40
7 Pontoon fender Testa Rossa
8 911 RS lightweight
9 Lotus 340R
10 D type jaguar
11 E type lightweight
12 Aston DB4GT Zagato
13 Aston DB9
14 Birdcage Maserati
15 Rolls Royce Phantom

hurstg01

09-17-2005, 10:52 AM

F1
F1GTR longtail to convert to road use
Bugatti Veyron
McMerc SLR
BMW X5 sport
Escalade for the wife
Audi RS6PLUS (we have a dog........)
Maybach 62
F40LM/GTE
288 GTO
166MM
Lotus Exige S2
Ferrari Daytona competition
Aston Martin DB9

oh, and an F1 LM.!

murraydeschot

09-17-2005, 10:58 AM

Audi RS6PLUS (we have a dog........)

That's why I chose a Range Rover Supercharged with full Overfinch Upgrade ... I have two!

karc

09-17-2005, 10:58 AM

1. Lamborghini Diablo SV
2. Lamborghini Diablo 6.0
3. Carbon Fiber Zonda F
4. Ferrari F50
5. C6 Z06
6. Koenigsegg CC
7. Ferrari 575M
8. McLaren F1
9. Mercedes CLK-GTR
10. Ferrari 330/P4
11. RR Phantom
12. 1969 Camaro ZL1
13. Hemi Cuda Convertible
14. Boss 429 Mustang
15. Saleen S7TT

mini magic

09-17-2005, 11:46 AM

1. McLaren F1 - 1.4
2. McLaren F1 GTR (Converted for street use but mainly for the track) - 1.5 (Including conversion + any extras i want)
3. Ferrari 250 SWB Comp./61 ("Sefac Hot Rod") - 1.8
4. Jaguar D Type - 1.8 (?)
5. Jaguar C Type - 1.8 (?)
6. Aston Martin Zagato DB4GT Zagato - 2.4
7. Ferrari 275 Nart Spider - 2.0
8. Ferrari F50 - 450,000
9. Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Spider - 550,000
10. E30 M3 Sport Evolution - 60,000 (Figguring in US conversion etc etc. PRISTINE example)
11. E30 M3 DTM Car - No idea
12. Ferrari 250 GTO - 10.0
13. Ferrari 250 SWB (Street Car. Would be higher up on my list but i don't want to chage all the #'s now) - 1.3
14. Pagani Zonda S - 550,000 (?)
15. Mini Cooper S (The real car, not the BMW one) - 25,000 (PRISTINE example)

Total money spent: A LOT

Enjoyment spent from driving the cars: Priceless

Ferrari Daytona competition

My good friend has one. Its a beast

288 GTO

He also has one of these, its unbelievable

F1 monster

09-17-2005, 11:56 AM

I don't really understand the desire to own 15 cars. For me, there would be as few as possible, as long as my "needs" are fulfilled. The "needs" would be:
Ultimate speed, handling, feedback...in short, an involving driving experience that is unassisted
Racing/track days
Transport on public roads
Comfort
Shopping (boot/trunk capacity)
Ability to carry passenger(s)
Discretion
Security
Off-roading (sometimes)
Trailering motorcycles (and sometimes, the car).

The McLaren F1 fulfills all these needs, except security, off-roading, and towing. The LM is too noisy, and the GTRs too raw. So I would get a regular F1, possibly with a HDF. For off-roading, security, and towing, I would have a fairly custom SUV, perhaps the Range Rover. This way, I could also tow the McLaren if I needed to.

Thus, my list:
1. McLaren F1 (with HDF).
2. Armored Range Rover/Lexus/some other SUV.
$1.3 mill for the McLaren. $200k for the SUV. $1.5 million total. Done.

I certainly like most of the cars that others have chosen for their collections. Murray, the Tramontana looks very interesting :)

BTW, did your question exclude motorcycles on purpose, or are they included? I would definitely have a couple of motorcycles as well...probably a Honda Trans-Alp for off-roading/enduros, a Kawasaski ZX-10R to go as fast as the McLaren (but only up to 200mph!), and Britten V-twin to race/drool over.

Everybody else, could I ask you to go back and put in prices next to each of your cars, as well as the total? Thanks.

Thorst13

09-17-2005, 02:39 PM

peter i

09-17-2005, 03:33 PM

here we go!!

1. Mazda 787B :naughty:

2. LAMBORGHINI COUNTACH LP400 :smooch:

3. McLaren F1GTR :evillol:

4. PORSCHE 911 GT1 :icon16:

5. VECTOR W8 :biggrin:

6. Ferrari F40 :icon16:

7. Murciélago R-GT :iceslolan

8. Volkswagen W12 :p

9. Toyota GT-One :lol2:

10. Dauer Porsche 962 :smokin:

jcsaleen

09-17-2005, 10:38 PM

1. Saleen S7 Comp (with modified exhaust package)
2. Mclaren Lm
3. Dauer 962 le man
4. Clk-GTR S.S (silver)
5. Callaway C12 (with the R package)
6. Pagani Zonda Monza
7. Ferrari F40 LM
8. Ferrari 333 sp
9. Saleen S7 TT
10. Jaguar XJ220 TWR
11. Mclaren F1 Hdf
12. Ferrari F50 GT
13. Porsche carrera GT (black)
14. Porsche Carrera Gt1
15. Clk-DTM Amg (Silver)
16. Ferrari Enzo GT (raw body)
17. Koenigsegg CCR (0range)
18. Aston Martin Amv8 - modified (p factor)
19. Brabus Mclaren Slr (Chassis 01 she's my precious)
20. Ferrari 550 Evo - (P factor'd)
21. Ultima 640 GTR
22. Fioravanti F100
23. Vector W12
24. Vision K2
25. TVR Sagaris as the DD in Forest green :smile:

& As the track's - (Besides the 333) Noble M12 GT0 3R, Caterham Csr & My fave also my car... Mazda Rx7 - All carbon Fibre body, Trirotor with a T77 with all worked internals, exhaust and suspension! Pushing 720-750 with a curb weight of around 1900 lbs...

rr_ww

09-18-2005, 07:57 AM

I don't really understand the desire to own 15 cars. For me, there would be as few as possible, as long as my "needs" are fulfilled.

Thus, my list:
1. McLaren F1 (with HDF).
2. Armored Range Rover/Lexus/some other SUV.
$1.3 mill for the McLaren. $200k for the SUV. $1.5 million total. Done.

I completely agree. Even Lottery winning I dont think Id need 4+ cars. And after hearing what Leno said about the wiper on his F1, I dont think £2-3M would be enough to run an F1 properly!

So the list as of today is:

http://nfs.hosted.game7.de/nfs2/fahr/nfs2-mclaren-f1.jpg
£1M
http://www.xcelcars.com/Images/DSC00031.jpg
£45K
http://www.fullgaz.co.il/archive/nov-04/news/images/mv-augusta-f4-1000.jpg
£30K (ish)

F1 monster

09-18-2005, 10:08 AM

jvcardesign

09-18-2005, 01:14 PM

That's a very nice dream,
First i will build a Track behind my house.

i would buy :

1- McLaren F1 GTR Papaya Orange
2- McLaren F1 Street Dark Silver.
3- Mercedes SLR BRABUS Dark Silver with White/RED interior.
4- Bentley Arnage T 2004 Brown with TAN/White/Brown Interior
5- BMW M5 (2001) Alpina Tuning
6- BMW Z8 Alpina Roadster.
7- Jaguar XKR 400 Hp Speial Edition 22 inch Wheels.
8- Ferrari F355 Berlinetta White with Red Interior.
9- Ferrari Enzo White with Black / grey Interior.
10-Mclaren F1 street White.
12-McLaren F1 GTR long Papaya Orange
13-Mercedes E55 AMG 405 Hp Silver with Black/white interior
14-Mercedes S600 Brabus
15-Porsche 993 Biturbo S (1998) 450 Hp Dark Grey with red Interior.

and....

a WALLY POWER in my Private Port.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/jvcardesign/img_118WP_new_001.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/jvcardesign/img_118WP_new_0005.jpg

jcsaleen

09-18-2005, 02:24 PM

WALLY POWER in my Private Port.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/jvcardesign/img_118WP_new_001.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/jvcardesign/img_118WP_new_0005.jpg

Took my boat lol... That thing is awsome used to be my backround. It reminds me of the stealth boat. The whole thing is almost all glass.

rr_ww

09-18-2005, 05:26 PM

That MV special edition is 45k GBP over there? It's 45k US dollars over here --virtually half price. You should buy one in the US and ship it over, after a fantastic motorcycling holiday, of course. I went to help a friend buy a Ducati 996 and one of them was on display at the store...it was quite tempting!

BTW, I think 2 million GBP would be enough to run a McLaren F1. $1.3 million GBP (amount left over after purchase) should easily cover refitting, servicing, major parts, shipping to anywhere in the world, insurance, and fuel. What else is there?

And the CSL...what purpose would that serve that the McLaren doesn't? Stealth? A McLaren can be fairly understated, but I can understand the need to have something, anything, else to show up in sometimes. Or is there another purpose for the CSL which the McLaren cannot fulfill?

I had the price wrong its £30K for the MV. As for running an F1, I only expect to win the Lottery once. So that £3M has got to set me up for life. I know you can expect 5-10% interest on that. But unless I won over £10M I wouldnt buy an F1. Simple as. I couldnt justify haveing 1/3 of my worth tied up in 1 thing. Hell, I wouldnt pay more than £400K for a house out of principle :D Its got to pay for a wife a family and all the other un-expected bills that come along.

And I definetly wouldnt run the car every day. Its a nice weekend thing. Cane it around a circuit thing. London isnt the most welcoming place to have anything too flashy, and I would expect it to be keyed at least once if I used it all the time. Im surprised Rowan is happy to use his, but then he is worth several Million. CSL is to the uneducated another M3. And there are hundreds of M3s floating around. Its not too flashy that it attracts unwanted attention, but it goes nicely, and has room to carry 4 people and their luggage. Thats why Id choose it as an everyday car.

Im not by nature a showy person. I like to have nice things of course, but I'll rather take a Tag watch over a diamond encrusted Cartier. And a nicely furnished 3 bed house over a 5 bed mansion with Swimming pool and golf course.

Its all dreams of course :)

mini magic

09-18-2005, 06:34 PM

Im not by nature a showy person. I like to have nice things of course, but I'll rather take a Tag watch over a diamond encrusted Cartier. And a nicely furnished 3 bed house over a 5 bed mansion with Swimming pool and golf course.

"The Millionaire Next Door"

spaminator

09-18-2005, 07:04 PM

honestly this is my list

1 1988 mazda RX7 TII 10th AE
2 2001 RX7 4 rotor conversion (j-spec)
3 Pagani Zonda
4 2000 Nissan Skyline GTR
5 Ferrari F430 (graphite)
6 Ford GT40
7 Porsche Carrera GT
8 Porsche Cayanne(sp.)
9 Ford F250 diesel crewcab(towing)
10 1985 Chevy Camaro IROC Z (for the wife, don't ask me)
11 WRC Subaru Impreza
12 Lancer Evo V
13 McLaren F1
14 Shelby GT500 KR
15 1996 Toyota MR2 Turbo

I have only a few truly pricy cars but That's what i want. Also my own private track

spaminator

09-18-2005, 07:05 PM

if i have any money left a tvr sagaris also then

jcsaleen

09-18-2005, 07:16 PM

2 2001 RX7 4 rotor conversion (j-spec)

Good choice but it would be nearly impossible to drive on the street or with street tires. That's why I'd go with the 3 rotor + the 4 is pretty damn heavy to but then again 780 N/a isn't bad lol. The problem is no torque until you get to F1 Rpm's...

murraydeschot

09-18-2005, 08:12 PM

The whole thing is almost all glass.

The Wally is almost all carbon fibre ... even the toilet seat and lid are pure carbon!

jvcardesign

09-18-2005, 09:22 PM

The Wally is almost all carbon fibre ... even the toilet seat and lid are pure carbon!

well the wally power is just amazing. i will not talk about it that much becasue this is not a forum for that. but i Noticed that it called the attetion to some people here. and it's OK to know some things about everything...HEHEH!

In design and technoloy is something out of this world. if you go to the movies to watch THE ISLAND, ther u will se some scenes with that boat.
some curious things about that boat, first it looks like it's a small fast boat, but if you see a person on it, then you will notice how big it is.

it has more than 25.000 HP with 3 jet propulsion turbines and can reach 100 Km/h on water. and every year the boat has to be taken to the factory like the McLaren F1, and it gets re-assembled all over again because, with time, the boat looses its rigidity from the torsion and great effort it suffers from the speed and the power it has.

and it has Fuel turbines, so you can imagine how much fuel it needs to make 1 km ahh and yes...it is all in carbon fiber...everything inside. well almost everything. Price? 18 Mclaren F1's
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/jvcardesign/img_118WP_new_0002.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/jvcardesign/img_118WP_new_002.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/jvcardesign/img_118WP_new_00016_1.jpg

murraydeschot

09-18-2005, 09:24 PM

I don't really understand the desire to own 15 cars.

For me, it's akin to an art connossieur buying paintings ... most on my list are chosen for their aesthetic beauty and crushing performance. Others, like the Overfinch Range Rover Supercharged and Bentley Arnage T, would be selected for their day-to-day abilities. The Bugatti Type 35 SC, of which there are only 3 in the world (so priceless), purely for the for art deco design.

That aside, I'd reckon many on my list, and on others lists too, would, if carefully stored and used, make excellent longer-term investments, with appreciating residuals.

murraydeschot

09-18-2005, 09:33 PM

well the wally power is just amazing. i will not talk about it that much becasue this is not a forum for that.

Not wanting this to necessarily go off in tangents, but the IDEAL accompianment to owning an F1! The Wally, name aside, is fecking luverly! :iceslolan

first it looks like it's a small fast boat, but if you see a person on it, then you will notice how big it is.

I think THIS puts it, quite literally, in perspective ...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/jvcardesign/img_118WP_new_0005.jpg

jcsaleen

09-18-2005, 09:40 PM

For me, it's akin to an art connossieur buying paintings ... most on my list are chosen for their aesthetic beauty and crushing performance.

Umm... Yea...

That's going on my Sig... Perfectly said!

spaminator

09-19-2005, 12:49 AM

well i'm not one for art unless it's also used in the manner it was designed. So "my" F1 WILL be driven along with all the rest. the 4 rotor rx will be a track car

F1 monster

09-19-2005, 02:14 AM

For me, it's akin to an art connossieur buying paintings ... most on my list are chosen for their aesthetic beauty and crushing performance. Others, like the Overfinch Range Rover Supercharged and Bentley Arnage T, would be selected for their day-to-day abilities. The Bugatti Type 35 SC, of which there are only 3 in the world (so priceless), purely for the for art deco design.

That aside, I'd reckon many on my list, and on others lists too, would, if carefully stored and used, make excellent longer-term investments, with appreciating residuals.

Thanks for explaining that. I can certainly appreciate this viewpoint/approach. I would love to tour a connoisseur's collection, with each item painstakingly acquired.

amanichen

09-19-2005, 03:01 AM

well the wally power is just amazing....

it has more than 25.000 HP with 3 jet propulsion turbines and can reach 100 Km/h on water....and it has Fuel turbines, so you can imagine how much fuel it needs to make 1 km...[/B]

According to www.wally.com:

Power = 3x 5600 HP
Fuel consumption = 15 gal/nm = 27 gal/kilometer

murraydeschot

09-19-2005, 03:04 AM

I would love to tour a connoisseur's collection, with each item painstakingly acquired.

I've been in that fortunate position ... seeing both modern supercars (F1GTR, F40, 7(!!!) XJ220's, XJR-15, etc.) lined up beside vintage and veteran racing Jaguars with HUGE provenance, collected from around the globe, in one collector's, self-named, "toy box"!

murraydeschot

09-19-2005, 03:26 AM

According to www.wally.com:

Power = 3x 5600 HP
Fuel consumption = 15 gal/nm = 27 gal/kilometer

If you can afford to buy and crew a 118 foot Monster Poweryacht, the question over fuel consumption ain't going to be too much of an issue.

That said, for a mere mortal like me, those are SCARY figures indeed!

Jimmyc

09-19-2005, 07:57 AM

Shame Larry sold the GTR - Do you know why?

murraydeschot

09-19-2005, 08:33 AM

Shame Larry sold the GTR - Do you know why?

There's speculation that he hasn't sold it yet ...

As to why he's disposed of it/trying to dispose of it ... not a clue, as I left Scotland and lost contact with Larry a while back ...

Maybe he got bored of it ...!

jvcardesign

09-19-2005, 10:31 AM

According to www.wally.com:

Power = 3x 5600 HP
Fuel consumption = 15 gal/nm = 27 gal/kilometer

Thnx for the correction of Hp!! :)

Jaguar D-Type

09-30-2005, 02:56 PM

Duesenberg SSJ

New Corvette Z06

Saleen S7 Twin Turbo

McLaren F1

and a 1957 Jaguar XKSS

Mpowered

09-30-2005, 04:31 PM

OK. At my age I can still dream. And since money is no object, I'll have 1 each of the following:

McLaren F1 LM
McLaren F1 w/ HDF
Aston Martine DB9
Maserati MC12 Stradale
Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
Hamann Gallardo
Bentley Continetal GT Mulliner
Noble M12
Bugatti Veyron
Kleemann CLS 50K S8
Ford GT
BMW Alpina B5
BMW M6
BMW M3 CSL
Carrera GT

I think that'll just about do it, until you give me some more garage space. They'll all leave me with a :grinno: on my face.

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