95 Mustang 5.0 vs. 2002 S2000

this was just funny...
course i hate mustangs to begin with .. but there are 2 5.0's playin with eachother on the freeway. out on 5 just north of town...
and they are kinda blockin traficc in those 2 lanes.. so i'm just drivin
ya know like 80 or something nothing special ..
and as i pass one the other drops it so i don't catch them.. god forbid...
so i toss it down and put a little gas on it.. and i swerve round a few cars, and then he's behind me and tryin to follow..... so i fake left.. i know it sounds dumb.. then i take off in the brake down lane. and pass 3 cars, then hop back on the freeway.. and needless to say he was out of sight at that point...
i wasn't trying too hard or anything but when i looked down i was only doin like 115, so i guess i didn't have to try... oh well
it was fun anyway
silly mustangs, vtec is for hondas... :rolleyes:

Dude, you have an S2000? OMG....
Wanna marry my sister? She has really good college grades and she's really nice.... I guess she's pretty coz guys hit up on her, I don't check her out though... C'mon...

You automatically kick ass for having that car.

Oh and yeah Mustangs are kind of lame. There was this Cobra that thought he was the bad ass of all badasses at the race meet in 909 area. To cut the story short, a hatchback with a GSR motor with, i/h/e and slicks broke him off nasty.

And then another Mustang showed up, but this was a GT with a moderately built up motor, and HE thought he was Papadakis to all of us. Well my friend has a CRX Si with a japspec B16a, head package, stage II clutch, i/h/e, performance chip and slicks. You don't need to know the rest.
:devil:

95 5.0s are not even in your class. something like 230hp in a 3400 pound car

S2 and i can walk on those cars. I do it all the time

a modded 5.0 is a lethal thing though

Yeah, I believe those heavy bastards run about mid to low 15's, and you need to be a good driver to take one up for a good run too.

I have only ran one, and that was when I was STOCK, and I beat that guy. It was a 93 5.0, 5 speed too. He peeled out for too long and his second gear didn't have much of a torque curve. By the time he started catching up... I already hit the 1/4 mark.

Oh and my friend's GSR, he takes out 5.0's like he takes out Civic EX's, it's rather sad when you think about it.

5.0's actually have 215 hp, but they have 290 lbs. of torque. Which means one thing, peeling out like mad and never going anywhere.
(Reminds me of the Spec V test drive)

An si with an intake and a good driver can break off a GT.

Don't mess with Cobra's though.

Yay, I'm level 1 enthusiast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :frog:

newb:D jp man

hey guys sorry i miss typed it i meant to type and 93 stang 5.0 cause they didn't make the 5.0 after 94... now they are all 4.6
cept for the big boys saleen and roush ... anyway yeah i can smoke the little stangs with my 2k si... but it's much more fun with the s2000..
oh and corolla... if you wanna meet up sometime and check out the s2k
i'd be more than happy to meet ya somewhere, but ya have to bring your sister with ya... :D
what part of so cal are you in ?

Right now I'm back in my old home town El Centro about an hour and a half east of SD. I actually live in Claremont, not the Claremont where Pann Auto is in SD, but the Claremont in the 909, LA area.

Hell yeah dude I'd love to check that car out, you can even take me on the freeway and let me hear the roar of the VTEC.

Yeah I'll take my sister, she's graduating from SDSU this October with a degree in telecommunications.

Originally posted by THE4TH
hey guys sorry i miss typed it i meant to type and 93 stang 5.0 cause they didn't make the 5.0 after 94... now they are all 4.6


Actually, the last year of the relentlessly torquey 5.0 was 95, the new generation mustang was made in 1994, but Ford hadn't finished with their gas-saving 4.6 motor yet, it wasn't operational, so they just lowered the compression on the 5.0, threw in a smaller fuel injection system and left them on the lot. The first year that the 4.6L Mustang GT/Cobra came out was 1996.
Oh and they still don't have 5.0 liter 302's anymore. The Saleen S281 is powered by the same 4.6 liter motor, the cylinder head is ported and polished though. But you'll still break off a Saleen really dirty, unless it's an S281SC or a S351, those are the sports car versions, but an S281SC retails in at about 38,000$, a little more pricey than an S2K, and the S351 is about 55,000$ or more.

right on man i drove thro el centro on my way out here... not much there but hey whatever i didn't stop so i wouldn't know...

yes my friend just dont fuck with the cobras.the new 03 cobra is packin 390 hp and 390 lbs. of torque.dont forget the sc.this is about the only mustang that catches my eye. the cobra and a nicley modded 5.0. either 90 or 93.check the bay.http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/2002/chicago/03.ford.svt.mustang.eng.500.jpg

i don't go out looking for stangs to race.. i could care less...
and i'm not impressed by the new ones either, i like the look of the saleens that's it...
otherwise i just hate the older ones... 80's 90's ...
i like the newer ones and the older ones.. but would take an s2000 any day over and stang, 03 or not...

Originally posted by THE4TH
i don't go out looking for stangs to race.. i could care less...
and i'm not impressed by the new ones either, i like the look of the saleens that's it...
otherwise i just hate the older ones... 80's 90's ...
i like the newer ones and the older ones.. but would take an s2000 any day over and stang, 03 or not...

The fact that you don't look for Stangs to race, proves that you will never have any problems with Cobra's, because guys with Cobra's don't drive around on freeways looking for races, and most guys that have Cobra's only take them out late at night on weekends. So you won't catch one willing to race on your way home from work or a g/f's pad or something.

Oh and an S2000 runs 13.8, and a 99+ Cobra runs 13.2-13.5 with a REALLY EXCEPTIONAL driver... In an S2000 you just have to drop the clutch at about 6000 rpm, and you're a trained killer at the track, in a Cobra, (I've driven one before), the wrong foot will make you fish tail and the wrong rpm will make you bog out and picking the wrong time to floor it will make you slip all your first gear. You have to set your rpm to about 2800, then drop the clutch have way, pace the gas and when you're at about 5300 rpm (5500 rpm is the beginning of redline on Cobras/GT's) you upshift to second, but stomp on the gas before you pop the clutch again causing a mean second gear chirp that get's you going in second, then you can use regular driving to finish the rest. Pretty complicated huh?
I've seen Cobra's run 14.2-14.5 at the track. I was inside an Integra Type R, (old friend of mine), and we were on 10 east in LA, and there was a cobra, he was going like 80 already, my friend downshifted to third, but he let the Cobra floor it first, it was a 96 cobra, black, and when he downshifted he actually caught up to the Cobra and started pulling on it. (I love Type R's) The Cobra eventually caught up and beat my friend, but come on, the 1/4 finishes at about 90 mph, we were going 125 when the Cobra started to CATCH UP.

i watched a video one time of a type R pulling on a cobra on the highway. it had pulled about even with the stang and then blew the tranny. You could hear the passenger say aww shit can you get any gear?

I have that same video. I love the sound of the Type R.
The reason he fukked up the tranny is because he left in third gear when he was going like 85-80, and he kept in that gear, letting off the gas, pressing the gas, and he was doing that for at least 10 minutes before the Mustang even started gunning it, and then the guy in the teg floored it which really put work on his tranny.

that's just stupid.. don't get met wrong i know the type r is made for high revvin but that's just dumb.. just put it in 4th and keep goin...
and ya know the more i think about it, i just don't seem to care about the 1/4 mile for some reason.. i know everyone is all hey i can pull 13's and what not but for some reason it just doesn't appeal to me.. i mean i love tearin through the gears, and i like racing and stuff, but i'm just out there to have fun not to get down to 14's .. it just seems that everyone is time happy these days.. everyone keeps runnin their mouth ... oh i can run 13's with this sucka.. oh yeah , and what happens when there's a corner coming up .. :eek: ... racing to me involves turns, and inclines, and stuff, if your just runnin the 1/4 it's draggin to me.. again don't get me wrong i love to watch .. but i watch to check out the cars not see who can break 14.. i don't know maybe i'm just a pessamistic asshole today but i don't see why everyone is so hyped up on how fast they can drive a 1/4 in a stright line..

I LOVE autocrossing.

No doubt on what you said, bro. For one, the S2000 is an autocrossing car. And the Type R is an autocrossing car too. Dragging is for Cobra's and stuff.

Why do you think I plan on putting the H22 in an Integra? I want better weight distribution so I can corner better. I mean if all I cared about was dragging, I'd get a CRX and drop a B18C in it, turbo it, and go get myself killed.

yeah i agree... i plan on gettin rid of the si and gettin a type r..
so i can have 2/3 of the yellow vtec heaven , then all i need is a yellow nsx.. down the road of course.. but i'll take a type r and an s2000 i'd be more than happy with that ...
anyway yeah i like autocross too... in fact i wish i knew of some more places around i could go watch some races...
i was never really into shows or races but i would like start checkin them out now that i am here..

Go to the Laguna Seca, that's a really good track. It's in Gran Turismo, it's the track with that crazy hairpin turn. For a certain fee, you can run 3 times on the track and if you bring a friend, and you both pay the fee, you can run against each other, but you have to sign some sort of release saying that if you crash or something, they can't be held liable.

Either that or you have to pay 500.00$ to go to an Autocrossing school for like a week or so so you can get an autocrossing license.

Corbas are bad a$$, we were out crusin' last night in my boys 99 si, turbo i/h/e and this svt corba pulls up next to us, to make a long story short it was 3 secs 3 car lengths behind, all n good fun though, there are too many hooked up stangs around here anywayz :finger:

Originally posted by THE4TH
this was just funny...
course i hate mustangs to begin with .. but there are 2 5.0's playin with eachother on the freeway. out on 5 just north of town...
and they are kinda blockin traficc in those 2 lanes.. so i'm just drivin
ya know like 80 or something nothing special ..
and as i pass one the other drops it so i don't catch them.. god forbid...
so i toss it down and put a little gas on it.. and i swerve round a few cars, and then he's behind me and tryin to follow..... so i fake left.. i know it sounds dumb.. then i take off in the brake down lane. and pass 3 cars, then hop back on the freeway.. and needless to say he was out of sight at that point...
i wasn't trying too hard or anything but when i looked down i was only doin like 115, so i guess i didn't have to try... oh well
it was fun anyway
silly mustangs, vtec is for hondas... :rolleyes:

you my friend, are a total idiot for racing like that with traffic around...especially going onto the break down lane:rolleyes: (emergency lane) i bet you feel really proud of yourself

it wasn't a race it was some lame dude in a stang trying to keep up, and i am not proud of my street racing past.. but i don't drive wrecklessly.. during that whole encounter not once did i cut anyone off or come within 5 ft of another car other than on the sides, and the emergency brake down lane is wide and empty.. so instead of moving back towards traffic to speed along, i would almost think it's safer to put myself against a rail than another car.. anwyay no one was hurt, no honks or squeels or anything.. sorry if my driving bothers you.. and i'm not proud of the way i drive sometimes.. but just cause i post the story hear doesn't mean i'm proud to speed in traffic, it's a story.. and the forum says beat any mustangs today , and i did... so..:flipa: but for the love of god man i don't think i'm a bad ass or anything it just so happens i juse the breakdown lane once, and your on my back .. sorry man .. i really am i'll try to not post things that offend you..

newer stangs (99+) are actually quite capable on a road couse.
99+ gts can get into the 13s with an exceptional driver
I forgot who said it and it was probably a bit different, but
"straits are for fast cars, twisties are for fast drivers"

Actualy, ALL real cobras are excellent curve carvers. The Gt is more straight line orienated. If you had raced the GT from a stop, he would have given you a run for your money. The 13.8 1/4 time quoted by road and track magazine for the s2000, is very hard to achieve unless you are a pro driver willing to drop the clutch at 9k rpm. By the way do you have any mods on your s2000? I have a friend who has a s2000 and talks smack all the time. But, he refuses to race me:rolleyes: I have driven it a few times, their pretty nice little cars.

you sir, are a liar and a fag! I have spanked a couple s2000's just recently. Don't underestimate a highly modded 5.0. And by the way......Vtec is highly over-rated

Originally posted by pony302
you sir, are a liar and a fag! I have spanked a couple s2000's just recently. Don't underestimate a highly modded 5.0. And by the way......Vtec is highly over-rated

You sir are a troll....please don't let this happen again...no need to bring up a post where the last response was in July. Thank you.

thanx inferno..
and to answer the question it's a stock s2k.. and yes it's a fun little car.. and yes i agree that a modded 5.0 is dangerous... but so is a modded s2k.. it's all relative.. and it vtec was so overrated than explain to me why so many companies have made their own version of it.. ???

Yea.. and is it just me? or does the new RX8 look like an S2K from the rear? and why is everything looking like the new 350Z? ahhh!!

God I want a Z.

i wonder if anyone actually knows what vtec does and how modded are these stangs they raced and the only gt stang that would push 15.5 is like a 79 -86 in goood tune an 87 - 93 5 spd lx 5.0 in good tune will easily turn a 14.6 and a new cobra only puching 13.2 ? naa my unclle just bought 1 he broke it in went to the track and ran a12.6@113mph
hmm i wonder i do i do

Originally posted by banditkiller
i wonder if anyone actually knows what vtec does and how modded are these stangs they raced and the only gt stang that would push 15.5 is like a 79 -86 in goood tune an 87 - 93 5 spd lx 5.0 in good tune will easily turn a 14.6 and a new cobra only puching 13.2 ? naa my unclle just bought 1 he broke it in went to the track and ran a12.6@113mph
hmm i wonder i do i do

An 87 - 93 5.0 would be VERY hard pressed to see a mid 14 STOCK, and I personally have never seen it done. As 94+ GTs usually only manage a mid-14 stock(although I have seen better, mid 14s are the norm). A brand new Cobra sees mid 12s consistently, who said anything about a 13.2??

i miss read the other post it said 99+ cobra 13.2-13.5 with an EXCEPTIONAL driver also a friend of mine has a 1992 mustang lx 5spd all stock and had just had the plugs and wires replaced all oils changed and the tranny has been rebuilt we took it to the track several weeks ago and it ran a14.6@94 mph i do give it to him though he is a decent driver i drove it to my best of 14.8@91 mph not bad for a stock 215 hp 290 lb ft trq beater stang with 87k on it in damn near perfect condition

Originally posted by banditkiller
i miss read the other post it said 99+ cobra 13.2-13.5 with an EXCEPTIONAL driver also a friend of mine has a 1992 mustang lx 5spd all stock and had just had the plugs and wires replaced all oils changed and the tranny has been rebuilt we took it to the track several weeks ago and it ran a14.6@94 mph i do give it to him though he is a decent driver i drove it to my best of 14.8@91 mph not bad for a stock 215 hp 290 lb ft trq beater stang with 87k on it in damn near perfect condition

Yea, I think the other post meant 99 - 02 Cobra's, excluding the new 03.
Really? Good job. Like I said, I've never seen a stock LX 5.0 driven to a mid 14. Mostly see low to mid 15s with an occasional very high 14 in the pack. So great job.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
I have a friend who has a s2000 and talks smack all the time. But, he refuses to race me:rolleyes: I have driven it a few times, their pretty nice little cars.

it should be pretty even. I race a friend at work a few times. He has a 94 cobra with intake, exhast, no CAT. It depends on who lauches better.

Originally posted by yellows2000


it should be pretty even. I race a friend at work a few times. He has a 94 cobra with intake, exhast, no CAT. It depends on who lauches better.




Not very objective but, I have ridden in both many times and mine feels much faster. Anyway, he traded it in on an 2002 F150 Harley davidson edition supercharged truck. So, I will never know. But, at least he bought a Ford.

people are askin wut VTEC does...its not a power adder, it simply keeps the motor's power band more even across the board. its' nice to have at high rpm.

as for cobras, they are quick little cars. i luv honda/acura/nissan, all those, but i've seen some cobras eat hondas like nothing. but then i've also seen hatch's, and other imports eat stangs/domestics. i really think it jus depends on what everyone wants to drive. no hate towards a certain type of car, jus all based on person preference.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0





Not very objective but, I have ridden in both many times and mine feels much faster.

That's because of torque. Torque is what you FEEL, not horsepower.

Never said mine felt faster because of HP. If you wil point out where I said that, then I stand corrected. I just stated mine felt faster. Of course I know what gives the all out sit you back thrust. I have over twice the torque that he does. A stock s2000 in a straight line would be no competition.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Never said mine felt faster because of HP. If you wil point out where I said that, then I stand corrected. I just stated mine felt faster. Of course I know what gives the all out sit you back thrust. I have over twice the torque that he does. A stock s2000 in a straight line would be no competition.

Damn, calm down, I never said you thought horsepower made things feel faster. I was just stating a fact, relax. I was with you on this post, goodness:(

But now that you've started, an S2000 would be a pretty good race for your car stock. Not talking about with mods, but stock for stock it would be close to even. Even though you have more torque and you pull harder, the S2000 pulls much LONGER making things close. Because of the shorter powerband you have to give up torque for speed much sooner than the s2000, allowing him to effectively have almost as much torque as you do in later gears.

Sure, stock to stock the numbers where pretty close with both cars. But as of know, even with the few mods I have, it wouldnt be much of a competition, unless I mess up. But if it was on a road course type track, I would be slaughtered. No doubt about that.

96 was the first year of the 4.6 Foo. They kept the 5.0 in the 94's and 95's. The Romeo Modular 4.6 281 was first in the 96 mustang. http://www.mustangworld.com/forums/images/smilies/supergay.gif

and i've seen about a dozen 5.0's run low 14's stock.

Originally posted by 2002Drew
and i've seen about a dozen 5.0's run low 14's stock.


Very common for the fox body mustangs to run that. There a good bit lighter then the sn-95s