Respect

So last weekend it was my uncles 50th birthday party, we had a bunch of guests over, including my cousin who has more money than i could ever hope to from an inheritence from his dad's(my other uncle) passing. Anyway he wanted to go for a ride in my car so i said "sure but it's not that fast really." I took him out did a few downshifts and launches and came back, he was somewhat impressed. Then his wife looked at us and said "why dont you take Josh for a ride in the Mustang?" Like a bunch of little school kids we went running...lol

I really have to say, and this is from a GM guy through and through. I am very impressed with the new Mustang GT's. That thing had me smiling the whole friggin time, and all i did was ride along. And they seem to have incredibly crazy top end, from riding along. It made my Eclipse seem like a puppy. His car was gorgeous, black with black leather, and the windows were darked out... First time i've ever said i would own any Ford was on that day...

The funniest conversation took place between his wife Kelly and i when we got back...

Her: I like your car, and that's quite a...big...exhaust on there...[/confusion]
Me: Yeah and it only cost about $500
Her: :eek7:
Me: Yeah...


Anyway the new Mustang gets two very big thumbs up from me, and a new found respect for Ford.

:thumbsup: sweet, i have yet to ride in one of those.

Ive heard nothing but great driving reviews from the mustang GT (havent heard about the V6)...the one thing that apparently was a great suprise was that the clutch was decently easy, and the throws were pretty short...4.6 is an award winning V8 and it costs what? $25,000 american? if I could afford the gas and insurance id purchase it

you had a z28 didnt u josh? how did it compair to that in power?

you had a z28 didnt u josh? how did it compair to that in power?


I've inherited one, which is a hell of a lot faster than the new Mustang, so i really can't compare since it's a 79 Z28, i dont drive it much at all because it's only got 7800 original miles on it(stays in the garage).

But i have driven LS1 powered cars and i can tell you this thing could definately give it a run for it's money if not beat it with the right driver.

I really have to say, and this is from a GM guy through and through. I am very impressed with the new Mustang GT's.

Well, that's it. I'm revoking your "GM guy" license now. Complimenting a Ford! :screwy: What's this worl coming too????



Lol, nah but seriously, I do think they look pretty good all except the mirrors and the rear end.

i know what you mean, i saw one run 13.4 at the track, stock expect for a differnt Ecu setup. I also raced one a while back, from a roll, from 40-70MPH we were dead even, then it just ran away from me. Those things are mad top end for sure. They are Ls1 killers.

But i have driven LS1 powered cars and i can tell you this thing could definately give it a run for it's money if not beat it with the right driver.
They are Ls1 killers.
While the new GT is quick, it still doesn't take down the LS1 powered cars. With equal drivers, the LS1 car is .4-.6 faster and traps 2-3 MPH faster. Granted, that difference is enough to make it a drivers race. But by no means is it an LS1 killer.

The only respect I have for the new Mustang GT is the powertrain. I can't stand how it looks.

even stock the guy i talked to said his best run was a 13.7

Not bad and if i weren't drunk i would have eosmomthihhng so good to ad to this hthread righ now, bu tunfortunately i'm dont. someone get me some more beer..shti

I've recently run a New Mustang GT and while I do like the way it looks and it is very quick. I can tell you for a fact that stock for stock a LS1 F-body would beat it, although a good or bad driver for either one, can change that.

PS - I am not saying this cause I am a current F-body owner and F-body mod,. Ask Gtstang, I am currently in the market for a Mustang and have owned them in the past. Not being biased just from what I gathered.

Not bad and if i weren't drunk i would have eosmomthihhng so good to ad to this hthread righ now, bu tunfortunately i'm dont. someone get me some more beer..shti


Drunken moderator ramblings....because let's be honest...what else is there to do at 4am? :grinyes:





Yeah as far as being an LS1 killer, after driving both at work, and also seeing a ws6 race a new GT, the ls1 is still faster. But as Formula said, a driver can change that.

The only respect I have for the new Mustang GT is the powertrain. I can't stand how it looks.


Same here.

i know what you mean, i saw one run 13.4 at the track, stock expect for a differnt Ecu setup. I also raced one a while back, from a roll, from 40-70MPH we were dead even, then it just ran away from me. Those things are mad top end for sure. They are Ls1 killers.
Bwahahahahahaha, you've got to be kidding me. This is up there with your Cobalt SS can't break into the 14's comment. Not trying to be rude, but do you go to the track with your car????? I've been to the track several times, and I don't see any 05 GT stangs murdering LS1's (I do see 03 Cobras murdering us pretty bad, but that's a whole other beast entirely). An 05 GT puts down about 280 whp, while an LS1 will put down 300 whp. That's a 20 whp advantage, and cannot be ignored.

Bwahahahahahaha, you've got to be kidding me. This is up there with your Cobalt SS can't break into the 14's comment. Not trying to be rude, but do you go to the track with your car????? I've been to the track several times, and I don't see any 05 GT stangs murdering LS1's (I do see 03 Cobras murdering us pretty bad, but that's a whole other beast entirely). An 05 GT puts down about 280 whp, while an LS1 will put down 300 whp. That's a 20 whp advantage, and cannot be ignored.


i go to the track with MY car about 3-5 times a year. And i dont get whats your point? I never said they couldnt get 14's i said ive never seen them get 14's. And are you trying to say that after i talked to the guy about his 05 Mustang GT then watched him run, i didnt see him run a 13.4?

And are you trying to say that after i talked to the guy about his 05 Mustang GT then watched him run, i didnt see him run a 13.4?



I'd believe it.

I can believe a new Mustang GT could run a 13.4 but I could also believe a LS1 F-body could run a 12.9 and also believed when motor trend of 96 got a LT1 to run a 13.8. I believe they are all possible but the average LS1 F-body Vs the Average New Mustang with the same skill driver should go to the LS1 F-body from what I have seen with my own eyes and have read.

I can believe a new Mustang GT could run a 13.4 but I could also believe a LS1 F-body could run a 12.9 and also believed when motor trend of 96 got a LT1 to run a 13.8. I believe they are all possible but the average LS1 F-body Vs the Average New Mustang with the same skill driver should go to the LS1 F-body from what I have seen with my own eyes and have read.

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I've heard GT's can run mid-high 13's but I always assume a little exageration when friends tell me...That being said I also heard LS1's can run 12s but again I assume a lil embelishing...I think an LS1 can still take a GT but its close, alot closer than the previous generation Mustang...

i go to the track with MY car about 3-5 times a year. And i dont get whats your point? I never said they couldnt get 14's i said ive never seen them get 14's. And are you trying to say that after i talked to the guy about his 05 Mustang GT then watched him run, i didnt see him run a 13.4?
You did state that Bulldog's car wouldn't pull 14's. I'm not gonna go dig up the thread.

Sure you watched a 05 Mustang GT pull 13.4 sec. Was it stock, I venture to say not. I see vids of them running 14's, and high 13's at tracks. I have yet to see an owner not marching one around Speedway, only to never run his car. I've pulled up beside them and revved (Danno can attest), and they basically ignore me and drive off. I know they are slower then Mach 1's are, and I see Mach 1's run, and they run high 13's bone stock. I'm sure the guy you saw ran a 13.4 sec. pass, but I bet he was lying about his mods.

You did state that Bulldog's car wouldn't pull 14's. I'm not gonna go dig up the thread.

Sure you watched a 05 Mustang GT pull 13.4 sec. Was it stock, I venture to say not. I see vids of them running 14's, and high 13's at tracks. I have yet to see an owner not marching one around Speedway, only to never run his car. I've pulled up beside them and revved (Danno can attest), and they basically ignore me and drive off. I know they are slower then Mach 1's are, and I see Mach 1's run, and they run high 13's bone stock. I'm sure the guy you saw ran a 13.4 sec. pass, but I bet he was lying about his mods.Alot of Mach 1's are faster than high 13's. I think your exaggerating in the opposite direction. There are plenty of factory freaks out there for both sides and anything is possible,

Mach 1's are faster than high 13's. I think your exaggerating in the opposite direction. There are plenty of factory freaks out there for both sides and anything is possible,
I should correct what i'm saying. They run high 13's at the track I go to (California Speedway, 1300 ft. above sea level). Mach 1's will run mid 13's in the hands of a good driver (Low 13's at E-Town).

the new gt should be right with or faster than the mach1. the hp numbers if both cars are very similar and the 05 has a better suspension

btw, besides the drunken post, if my typing looks messed up its because this keyboard on my new comp at OU sucks, ive had to fix this post alone like 5 times.

Well, 4-6 tenths is pretty bad actually in a heads up race. You'd be about 2 or 3 cars behind, true, that's only one mis-shift, but still.

Anyways, Mach 1 Mustangs are all right IMO. Atleast they do it with no power adders, and I'm from the "bottles are for babies" school, so that's just a personal preference for me.

the new gt should be right with or faster than the mach1. the hp numbers if both cars are very similar and the 05 has a better suspension
Mach 1's are lighter then 05 GT stangs. I totally disagree that an 05 GT Stang will keep up with a Mach 1. I saw a dyno graph of a 2004 Mach 1, and it showed up as 286 whp. That's on par w/ a 98-00 LS1's numbers (about 10 whp less). Of course 01/02 LS1's dyno slightly higher (Above 300whp).

Most of the stock 01-02 LS1 cars I have seen dyno tend to get around 315-320 RWHP. 98-00 tend to be about 5 RWHP less.
My 1999 dyno'd 320/333 with lid and Loudmouth.

It depends on whethe the car is an automatic or not. I've seen a few LS1's in the 290whp range, and even some in the 270's. Highest I heard of was a 2001-2002 WS6, that the dude said dynoed 330whp. Dunno if I believe him though.

Yeah, the M6 and the A4 do put down different numbers.

Never seen any LS1 car dyno as low as 270 unless there was a problem. I have seen completely stock Firehawk's dyno at 330.
The 98-00 cars didn't have the LS6 intake, but they did have a slightly more aggressive cam.
The 01-02 cars got a less aggressive cam, but the LS6 intake. They tend to put down a touch more power than the early models stock. Once modded, it just depends on the mods.

Actually Luos, I believe you have it wrong. The 98's had a more aggressive cam then the 99/00, and different coil pack (As well as injectors). The 99/00 have a different coil pack (00 has some form of egr setup that is different). The 01/02's not only had the LS6 intake manifold, but more aggressive cam, and also the Z06 clutch.

320 hp to the wheels for an LS1 F-body, really? That would be about what, ~360 hp to the crank? Are you trying to tell me that GM would underrate their cars by some 40 hp? Sounds a little iffy to me.

Actually Luos, I believe you have it wrong. The 98's had a more aggressive cam then the 99/00, and different coil pack (As well as injectors). The 99/00 have a different coil pack (00 has some form of egr setup that is different). The 01/02's not only had the LS6 intake manifold, but more aggressive cam, and also the Z06 clutch.
Don't make me look this shit up. :lol:
98 had the old coil packs. Actually, they weren't really packs. Just a coil per cylinder. Valvecovers were also different.
Camshaft didn't change from 98-00. It was a more aggressive cam than the 01-02 cars got as well. Not by much, maybe a couple HP worth.
98-00 cam = 198.86/209.25 .498/.497 119.45
01-02 cam = 196.37/208.72 .464/.479 115.92
The 01-02 cars has a slighty less aggressive cam because they got the LS6 intake.
98 had different injectors. I think they were bigger, but I can't remember off the top of my head.
EGR was the same on the 98-00 cars. Then it isn't even on the 01-02 cars.
LS1 intake on the 98-00 cars, then LS6 intake on the 01-02 cars.
Z06 clutch was never in the F-Body. BUT the hydraulics were in the 01-02 cars.
Whew.....done. :lol:

320 hp to the wheels for an LS1 F-body, really? That would be about what, ~360 hp to the crank? Are you trying to tell me that GM would underrate their cars by some 40 hp? Sounds a little iffy to me.
Yes. The LS1 was rated at 350 HP in the Corvettes, and it was the exact same motor.

98-00 cam = 198.86/209.25 .498/.497 119.45
01-02 cam = 196.37/208.72 .464/.479 115.92
You're absolutely sure about the differences cam wise, cause I read up on this in several threads on LS1.com. Everyone told me the 98's had the most aggressive cam, but a different coil pack, as I had pointed out earlier.

That's really odd that the 01/02's had more power off of the LS6 intake manifold, cause I added one to my 00 Z28, and it didn't make that much of a difference.

Thanks though, for showing me the differences throughout.

I am yet to read anything different than that info I gave you.
I got the exact specs from LS2.com.

LS2.com. WTH!!! Dude you need to stick w/ the LS1... What's wrong with you??? J/K

I am on all the big boards.

LS1Tech has too many damn threads to get any attention. LS1 is just recovering, and LS2 has a lower amount of active posters. Right now, LS2 has the best stickied technical threads though.

i prefer ls86.5... :icon16: