what do you think about this car?

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2005/8/29/188/404/1751342114.188404629.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.jp g

its the only pic thats there, dude wants like 2k for it, gold got him to come down a lil on the price, i hate phones so bad that gold agreed to call him (gold called from oregon to nj) to talk to this dude, it has an oil leak brown smoke comes out the exhaust when it starts up, was wondering how much it would cost to get head gasket seals replaced?

any thoughts or comments on this car?

oh, look at the pic, do you think it has t-tops?

looks t tops u can see the lines on the roof the body looks amazing no clue on the price of the thing but those are some ugly ass rims

Since when does Gold live in Oregon? and it looks like T-tops from the side but hard to tell and some details on the car. Like mileage , engine year and such would help. Looks nice though.

yeah...the rims are a little much

its a 91 rs, with a 305 i believe, it has a 105k on it

Kelly Blue Book says $2,295

damn thats nice. well except for the whole smoke thing but damn. nice find

wheres the car located

nice, i kind of like those rims

Yeah, it's looks really great man. The rally rims are a bit much though. 2k sounds good to me, as long as it doesn't come with a bunch of headaches, your good to go.

Why'd you have to bring my screen name in those rims you asshole. :lol: J/k

Alright about the car, looks like t-top, rims are fine they're just colored rims. 2k sounds good and as far as I know blown head gaskets are a bitch to do/cost a lot.

it would fail inspection with that oil leak huh?

I dont know, my car passed and it blew out BLUE smoke when it started up. So maybe..

i had to do both head gaskets on my 92, it wasnt the most fun job in the world, but its def doable. dont cost that much either.

How much and what did you do? If it wasnt much to do/ is really doable in one night or so and doesnt cost much, I can get my Camaro up and running soon :D

i have a friend who bought a car almost exactly like that, only it was an 85 Z28 with 137K on it. 305, runs good. Know what he paid for it? 700$! Lucky SOB.

i had to do both head gaskets on my 92, it wasnt the most fun job in the world, but its def doable. dont cost that much either.

yea, i really really need a ballpark figure of how much it will cost, i cant buy this car for 1800 then turn around and pay 500 bucks for someone to put new head gaskets on

Just buy the damn thing already...lol

Just buy the damn thing already...lol

the problems that i have is that, 1 if i buy the car im gonna wanna take it to school with me (the school is in canada 510 miles or so each way)

i have just over 3k in th bank but once i goto school i need to make sure i have enough money to pay insurance, phone bill, and the first payments of school loan, once i get out of school i will be job less and the bills will still be there, so i need to make sure i can handle like 3 months (atleast of bills) with what is left in my bank, and paying almost 2k for the car and then 500 on top to fix a problem will make it really tight + dont forget insurance and registeration. and tax and anything else that i am forgetting.

ya know life sucks, all i wanna do is drive / own a camaro that works, and it seems like everything is fighting me every step of the way. :(

Do what you have to do but go check the car out. you never know till you check. the guy was a poor historian when I talk to him so I am not sure?

yea, i still gotta get intouch with my autn boyfriend, see if my mom will call them and see if he will take me.

Talking to the guy it sounded like its a daily driver. it has 105k on it, thats 12k less than mine. so i am guessing its not in to bad of shape

i just crunched some numbers, and if i buy that car i will only have 100 bucks left for gas an what not, but if i can find insurance for less then 250/month then that would be more money for me, but in the end its pretty much just gonna leave me with 100 bucks, i will have to close my bank account

man, i could just cry, i been busting my ass for over a year and i have just over 3k to show for it.

if you have $3,000 the car is $1,800 so 3000 minus 1800 equals 1,200. So how are you coming up with $100

if you have $3,000 the car is $1,800 so 3000 minus 1800 equals 1,200. So how are you coming up with $100

i make very little right now, i will be in school and job less but i will still need to pay for insurance (250 a month) 4 months is a 1000, 56 a month for cell phone bill x 4 months is alot, and when i register the car i will have to pay tax on it so 6% of what i paid for the car = i cant afford it + say 500 to get the head gaskets fixed = deeper into the red.

But your not sure it needs head gaskets. No one is now. It is a 91 so I am sure it has some lil things wrong but dont go in this thinking nothing but the worst.

But your not sure it needs head gaskets. No one is now. It is a 91 so I am sure it has some lil things wrong but dont go in this thinking nothing but the worst.

yea, but what else can cause the brown smoke from the tail pipe? my luck i will get there and it will have a cracked block

yea, but what else can cause the brown smoke from the tail pipe? my luck i will get there and it will have a cracked block

The guy said it used alil oil. From what I remember for auto shop if it blow white smoke that is the worst. Mean water is getting in to the piston chamber. That would be a spendy fix. If it uses alil oil or smokes when it first starts but stops smoking after a min might just be gaskets but does not mean it has to be fixed the second you get the car. I think in the long run if you can make it work you will like the red camaro better than the other one you showed me.

The guy said it used alil oil. From what I remember for auto shop if it blow white smoke that is the worst. Mean water is getting in to the piston chamber. That would be a spendy fix. If it uses alil oil or smokes when it first starts but stops smoking after a min might just be gaskets but does not mean it has to be fixed the second you get the car. I think in the long run if you can make it work you will like the red camaro better than the other one you showed me.

i deff would, the white one is just a base model, no ground effects, no rally rims, nothing but t-tops, but i figure if i get them down to 600 for the car, i got one of those 400 dollar engines that john was talking about (one that comes with warranty and like maybe 70 - 80k on the clock) get john to help put the new engine it for like 200 that is 1200 bucks for a camaro that has 70-80k + a warranty on the engine, granted the tranny could be shot but its an auto iyts not like some idiot was learning how to drive stick in it and grinding all the gears, and this would save me about 600 bucks, you can always add ground effects, get a paint job, get better rims later, but if you spend all your money on the car and have no money left for anything (like gas for example) then id end up having a paper weight becasue i cant put gas in it.

i dont wanna piss on this car, it could very well be a great car with just seal problem, but my point is i will eventually have to get it fixed. and if i dont have the money what am i gonna do when i need to get it registered / inspected? i dont have a driveway or a garage to put in so i can do the shit myself, so even the most basic shit will cost me money, i mean shops will cost an arm and a leg and i cant be running up north to john everytime my car needs a lil bit of engine work. (eventually he will get mad)

ok dont forget that your going to want tunes. I know that music does not make the car go but the red one has a 300 dollar deck in it. Just go look at both the cars and see what one you like the most.

ok dont forget that your going to want tunes. I know that music does not make the car go but the red one has a 300 dollar deck in it. Just go look at both the cars and see what one you like the most.

best buy gives their employees something like a 40% discount, after im out of school my first job is probably going to be at best buy.

John is a very understanding person and if he offers to help you then that means he will not get mad. Putting in a new motor I would think is harder than changing out head gaskets. get the whole kit go to Johns if he did say he would help give him 20 bucks for beer and a bj. He will be happy. LOL. For real though, in the long run you will be happier.

Viper get, you won't regret it, trust me. My car was a shit box when i got it, but as time past i brought it back to life. Aslong as you have it in your hands and have a place to park it, you could take your time and restore, but i undersatnd you want to be able to drive to school. You'll figure it out, like goldz28 said, just go look at it.

Viper get, you won't regret it, trust me. My car was a shit box when i got it, but as time past i brought it back to life. Aslong as you have it in your hands and have a place to park it, you could take your time and restore, but i undersatnd you want to be able to drive to school. You'll figure it out, like goldz28 said, just go look at it.

only place i can park it is on the street, i dont have a driveway, or a garage, i dont know anyone with one either.

and i dont think john will do it for 20 bucks, and hes not gonna get a bj, atleast not from me, but you can come down from oregon and give him one...

Viper get, you won't regret it, trust me. My car was a shit box when i got it, but as time past i brought it back to life. Aslong as you have it in your hands and have a place to park it, you could take your time and restore, but i undersatnd you want to be able to drive to school. You'll figure it out, like goldz28 said, just go look at it.

and trust me, id love to buy it, i just dont wanna be 100% straped for cash, what happens if something happens to me and i need money? i mean im trying to think atleast 4 - 5 months in advanced here... after the 5th month i should have a pretty good job but will need a car after i get out of school i wont / dont really need one before then i just want one now...

only place i can park it is on the street, i dont have a driveway, or a garage, i dont know anyone with one either.

and i dont think john will do it for 20 bucks, and hes not gonna get a bj, atleast not from me, but you can come down from oregon and give him one...

Dude that is way to long of a drive...lol I am sure he will want more but he might work with you on it.

If you blew a head gasket on a car you should really have the heads/head milled down .010 and then can use larger gaskets if you want stock compression. Therefor you would need a machine shop. If you wanted a professional type job anyway. So you would have that cost as well as mine. I am reasonable as gold said. I help people out, its not really a money thing (although if you have a hot sister, Golds BJ idea sounds swell, JK :grinno:). So take a look at it. Hear it run, see if its smoking from the engine bay. Have a local shop check it out and see what they say it is. Then you will be well informed. Good luck

John

John.. :disappoin trying your best to get anything free.. I say i'd do it for 20 bucks, a 24 pack of Live Wire Mountain Dew, and thats basicly it, also gas money for the drive there. :lol:

That was if I was going over there to help.

If you blew a head gasket on a car you should really have the heads/head milled down .010 and then can use larger gaskets if you want stock compression. Therefor you would need a machine shop. If you wanted a professional type job anyway. So you would have that cost as well as mine. I am reasonable as gold said. I help people out, its not really a money thing (although if you have a hot sister, Golds BJ idea sounds swell, JK :grinno:). So take a look at it. Hear it run, see if its smoking from the engine bay. Have a local shop check it out and see what they say it is. Then you will be well informed. Good luck

John

well, what else could cause brown smoke when you first turn on the car?

im just trying to cover everythign before i get my mom to take me all the way down there, its an hour drive away and i dont wanna go all the way down there to be dissapointed.

oh and btw if i am gonna need a machine shop i might as well try to haggle the used car dude with the 6 banger down to like 5 or 600 for the 6 banger and go my orginal route.

Your not going to need a machine shop for the engine swap. Just the head gasket car if you got it..

Your not going to need a machine shop for the engine swap. Just the head gasket car if you got it..

thats the one im talking about, the red one, the one with the brown smoke when it starts up, what can cause that brown smoke?

I would have to see it. Lots of things can cause that. I would not just guess at it. It could be something as simple as a loose intake manifold bolt or could be as serious as a cracked block. Only way to tell for sure is look it over.

why would you get it machined over a blown head gasket?

cause the mating surfacing could have been damaged and the head may be warped. They mill it down to assure its flat and will seal correctly.

so would you go check it out? its got a 105k on it, its about an hour away, how would i know if its a crack block? i mean i dont know of any mechanics in my own area that will look over a car for free let along in his area...

you should wait, if you get that red one you'll be strapped for cash like you already stated. This other one you're talking about, if you can get it for less than a grand and the body is solid, get it, and leave it at home for you work on when school is over. You can use that time to research the project and learn how to do things yourself. Trust me from experience, it's worth it.

Don't strap yourself but dont buy a total peice of shit either

i acctually found a firebird, its a 93-97 (i dont remember exactly) it has 87k or around there and its a dealer so i could get my mom to give me a hand in paying for it then i could pay her back.

well is there a pic. don't play with my emotions like this Pat

thats not gonna work out either, my mom is worried about money, we need oil yet and its gonna be over 500 bucks to fill the tank :( i swear man, camaros/firebirds are gonna fight me tooth and nail just so i cant have one, but thats ok, there is always that base 87, it dont even have ground effects on it... i believe it even has steelies, but its got t-tops!

ps, let me find the link to that car, i will post it up, i again prob wont beable to buy it now my mom is worried over money and im not trying to strees her out, im pretty sure i can make the 87 work... oh john, what about salvaged trannys? i dont know the condition of this one, but its gotta have like 122k on it as well, what kind of problem will i run into with a high millage tranny? can you find a lower millage tranny (auto) for the 87 v6? for on the cheap side? with a warranty?

http://www.showauto.com/viewfull.asp?ID=1186034

looks like they went and washed the wheels... but the rest of the car need a bath.

A friend of mine had a white one same year minus the t-tops. His was a manual tho. You should like that car just fine.

PS dont forget to not strap yourself...lol
If you get a loan for the car you will have to have full coverage also. :crying:

PS dont forget to not strap yourself...lol
If you get a loan for the car you will have to have full coverage also. :crying:

thats why i cant get that one either, im gonna end up having no choice but to get that 900 dollar car, hopefully the dealer-prick will drop the proce a lil bit... 300 or even 400 if im lucky, then yean it will only cost me about 1200 bucks for an 87 v6 with only like 70k on it :) but now im worried about the tranny, the trannies go to, so i donno, wait untill john sees the post up above and can let me know how much a 'new' tranny will go for, hopefully not to much, maybe 1600 - 1800 for a 87 camaro v6 with an engine with only like 70k - 80k and a pretty good tranny, but i figure do it all at once, unless im advised otherwise, but why not do it all at once? it should be easier with the engine out...

Good luck either way man

Something my dad told me along time ago is don't settle for the first thing you see. Shop around. Its kinda like girls. Shop around and you will find one that fits you like a glove.... :naughty:

im trying to get ideas, right now i will be happy with any camaro that runs, i will be happy with a stock radio, no ground effects, ya know just a basic ass comaro, im only gonna mod the hell out of it later anyway so what does it matter? some plans for the 4th gen that i had, a big bad ass car that handles better then a vette, might be easier might be harder, but what ever it takes / whatever i can afford...

is it possible to do an engine + tranny swap in a day? or 2? or does it take weeks?

If you know what your doing and have all the tools and endless supply of BEER you could do it in a couple of days. Some cars you have to remove the front clip and some you have to take it out from under the car so you would need it up on a lift. Ask Mr. Luos about the engine swap

johns got all the tools, i would rather be sober doing this, and i will be there to help, i donno, and in case ppl wanna know what the 1k car looks like i will get it.