300z tt vs. sti

Which one do you think will win? I think the sti do to the fact of all wheel drive and its a lighter car

win in what?

don't forget it's most likely at least 10 years newer...

I meant in a race. sorry about that

a race to what... if it's which car blinks first... well you could be sitting there for a long time...

straight-line race -> probably sti
auto-x -> probably sti
road race -> 300ZX

but you have to remember, the sti has 10 years of the Z. plus, put a couple mods on the Z and it is a whole lot faster straight-line.

stock for stock...an STI will demolish a 300zxTT in every category, no matter what the race. sorry to burst ya bubbles...

i take that back...the TT may have a higher top speed.

^ the z will win on the highway IMO, b/c it's got a bit taller gearing and RWD>AWD on the highway... those STI's have shorter gears, which is good for the 1/4 mile, but F*cks em' over on the highway.

^ the z will win on the highway IMO, b/c it's got a bit taller gearing and RWD>AWD on the highway... those STI's have shorter gears, which is good for the 1/4 mile, but F*cks em' over on the highway.

id still put my money on the STI until about 150mph.

stock for stock...an STI will demolish a 300zxTT in every category, no matter what the race. sorry to burst ya bubbles...

i take that back...the TT may have a higher top speed.

isnt the J-spec STi a 2.0L like the normal WRX?? I bet that hte J-spec would be a better match for a 300ZXTT. i know that in US they are all 2.5L. IMO i would say STi kills in everything. Those things handle pretty mean. And whoever saiad that w/ some mods the TT would win, yah do those same mods to the STi and we all know the results. Youre comparing a car that is much more technologically advanced to a clunker....

a clunker? hardly... go back to your honda forum son...

so the Z32 is a clunker now? please expand on this nastynater.

isnt the J-spec STi a 2.0L like the normal WRX?? I bet that hte J-spec would be a better match for a 300ZXTT. i know that in US they are all 2.5L. IMO i would say STi kills in everything.

Yep. Only in the US the STi got the 2.5L engine. everywhere else it got the 2L engine but the powere was 206kw in the STi as opposed to the 156(i think)kw of the regular WRX. The JDM STi's are comparable in characteristics to the USDM EVO 8. So if you cold beat an EVO 8 in you TT, then you could beat a JDM STi.

Ironic that this comes up now... I just finished a huge argument about it in the Celica forums... I won :evillol:

isnt the J-spec STi a 2.0L like the normal WRX?? I bet that hte J-spec would be a better match for a 300ZXTT. i know that in US they are all 2.5L. IMO i would say STi kills in everything. Those things handle pretty mean. And whoever saiad that w/ some mods the TT would win, yah do those same mods to the STi and we all know the results. Youre comparing a car that is much more technologically advanced to a clunker....

first of all...as yaggus just stated. eventhough the 2.0L was used in the JDM STI's...the output was still about the same as the 2.5L.

and second of all, the STI has no technological advancements over the 300zxTT. if you would like to get techinical we could further discuss the topic, but i think if you knew anything about either car, you could easily reach the conclusion that the TT has much more technological advancements and it is a 16 year old productioned car. 4-wheel steering and Electronically Adjustable suspension just for starters. we wont even get into the extroadinary engineering and aerodynamics that rate the Z32 far superior.

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very well said k3. the Z32 has an amazing amount of technology in it. it has more technology than most cars today have. the Z32 was an amazing car for the 90's, and it still is 15 years later.

I agree with everyone here (cept mr teg)... also create less drag with a z than with a sti, I mean come on now, that's like asking which is more aerodynamical, a missile or a refrigerator.

STi=3250ish vs 300Z=3600.......my bad about the "clunker" comment. it was uncalled for...but still the STi is a little lighter...a little

oh yeah what is z32?

but you have to remember, the sti has 10 years of the Z. plus, put a couple mods on the Z and it is a whole lot faster straight-line.

No flame war here guys
.....I was just wondering why you compare stock vs modded...of course if you modd the 300Z its gonna run w/ the STi .....apples vs oranges?

STi=3250ish vs 300Z=3600.......my bad about the "clunker" comment. it was uncalled for...but still the STi is a little lighter...a little

oh yeah what is z32?

Z32 = 1990-1996 Nissan 300zx (US Spec) / 1989-1999 Nissan 300ZX (J Spec)

Z32 refers simply to the chassis code.

oh and the Nissan 300ZXTT only weighs in at 3300lbs also.

the STI is quicker because it has a tad more torque in stock form and it has AWD. beings it can get ahead so far, i dont think the Z32TT stands a chance unless on a highway roll. i think it will take the Z32 until 120mph+ to start catching ground from a dead stop.

with the mods comment, i was just saying that a TTZ responds to mods very well, a stage III TTZ can run low 13s - high 12s. like k3 said, the biggest thing that the sti has against the Z is awd. the sti will demolish the Z on launch, Z's are a bitch to launch. but after launch, the Z will slowly start to catch back up.

you mean stock against stock right. you can push STi's into 11's no problem and still drive daily....bit more cash than a 300Z though...

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Having driven both, the 300ZXTT is a much more comfortable daily driver than the STi. It had good power, and the practicality of a hatchback has some benefits over the STi. In ideal conditions, the 300ZX would make a better commuter car. Top speed is also higher, as the STi is gear limited to about 165, and has les overall drag.

In all other aspects, the STi is superior.

The 300ZXTT was a very good car for its time. The problem is that it's being compared to the STi, which is also a very good car for its time, and its time is 15 years newer. Automotive technology progressed a lot from 1989 to 2004.

Automotive technology progressed a lot from 1989 to 2004.

i dont see what the STI offers that is so technologically advanced over the 300zxTT.

-300hp Twin Turbo DOHC Twin Cam Engine w/ VVT= 300zx
-300hp Turbo Boxer engine = STI

so where is all of this techonolgy? its definitely not in the interior, gadgets, and doo-dads because the 300zx has the STI destroyed there as the STI comes pretty optionless. Does it even offer climate control? this is the kind of stuff that makes the STI cost a little over $30k brand new in 2004+ and the 300zxTT $45k+ brand new in 1990.

aren't the gears a bit shorter on an STi too??? b/c that could have alot to do with it winning up until a certain point... correct?

sti win....but freeway there about the same cuz my friend raced one(drive sti) vs an guy he know(300zxTT) I WAS THERE with my slow ass 3000gt. But too me i like 300zx better dont really like sti THEY ARE SEDEAN and look ulgy....but a demon beast killer.

hmmm technology wise

Brake:
STi = Brembo

300ZX = under sized nissan 4 piston calipers f and 2 piston r

advantage STi

interior:
STi = recaro seats, momo steering wheel, driver adjustable headlight height, climate control ( analog style but still has temperature sensor and auto mode along with temperature settings ), LED cluster with center mounted tach with adjustable blinking and beeping shift light. and still has cruise control, and also has HIDs

300ZX = leather seats, digital climate control. cruise control. regular halogen projector headlights

advantage STi

drive train and suspension

STi = turbo boxer 4 cylinder with variable cam timing. intercooler sprayer, 6 speed tranny, driver controllable electronic center differential.

300ZX = twin turbo v6 with variable cam timing, driver adjustable suspension, hicas steering. 5 speed tranny.

advantage is about Tied depending on what you view as more important. but i think the 6 speed alone is something that the Z lacks. i even didn't mention that hte Z uses a viscous lsd while the STi uses a clutch type in the rear.

as you can see the STi is not as spartan as you think either.

i thought STi had viscous in both front and rear? or is that normal WRX

300ZX = under sized nissan 4 piston calipers f and 2 piston r


so very true!!! *Takes a look to the left and nods gratefully at my big brake kit that is waiting to be installed.*

interior:
STi = recaro seats, momo steering wheel, driver adjustable headlight height, climate control ( analog style but still has temperature sensor and auto mode along with temperature settings ), LED cluster with center mounted tach with adjustable blinking and beeping shift light. and still has cruise control, and also has HIDs
-the 300zx headlights are also feature adjustable height.
-i wouldnt call recaro seats and a momo steering wheel technologically advanced. just features that add to the 'tunerness' of the car.
-ill take my stock 300zx racing buckets wrapped in leather over the STI recaros any day of the week.
-LED's and HID is where the STI has the 300zx beat...even the 99' J-spec model only came qith Zenon Projectors.


advantage is about Tied depending on what you view as more important. but i think the 6 speed alone is something that the Z lacks. i even didn't mention that hte Z uses a viscous lsd while the STi uses a clutch type in the rear.

people complain about the Z not offering a 6-speed but NIssan had no use. it is still a high 13 second car without the extra gear and gearing limits it to 200mph+. its not really something to complain about if you sit down and look at the specs.


reguardless, like you said, both cars lack something the other one offers. HID and LED's are the Z's only real technological disadvantage due to it not really being introduced when the car was made. teh Z was built to fit the high end Grand Touring, high speed cruising but still in complete comfort...while the STI is built to fit that younger crowd wanting tunerish styling from the factory.

BTW: if i were to spend $30k+ on a brand new car, the STI would be the one. they are so much fun...but then again, i would probably be scouting for a used M3 if i had $30k. :lol:

As has been mentioned, the differential setup of the STi is where most of the techology is. There is some in the engine internals, as materials technology and coatings have become vastly improved in the last 15 years, allowing higher compression ratios to be used more reliably now than 15 yars ago. Brake technology has improved greatly, and tire technolgy has improved so that 17" wheels can be designed for to allow bigger brakes that the 16" wheels that came stock on the 300ZXTT. This also allows for more prescise suspension control.

Also, for 1/4 mile times and 0-60 times, the numbers are artificially high on the STi because an extra shift is required in both cases over virtually every other car on the market. Where the transmission and diffs make the bigger difference is on a road course more than in a straight line.

The basic engine design is not where all the advantages have come from. It's 15 years worth of refinement on that engine design.

Look at it this way: How much better is the Nissan 350Z than the non-turbo Z32 Nissan 300ZX? That gives a good idea of what 15 years of technological improvement can get you.

STi owns 350Z IMo though....espescially for the price.

first of all...as yaggus just stated. eventhough the 2.0L was used in the JDM STI's...the output was still about the same as the 2.5L.

and second of all, the STI has no technological advancements over the 300zxTT. if you would like to get techinical we could further discuss the topic, but i think if you knew anything about either car, you could easily reach the conclusion that the TT has much more technological advancements and it is a 16 year old productioned car. 4-wheel steering and Electronically Adjustable suspension just for starters. we wont even get into the extroadinary engineering and aerodynamics that rate the Z32 far superior.

I wouldn't say superior, perhaps about equal.

You can't forget the STi's engine comes equipped with an Active Valve Lift System, tranny uses rear biased AWD with Variable Torque Differential equipped with Digitally Controlled Center Differential controls which are located behind the shifter and the 06 STi has a new roof vane spoiler (like the EVO's roof inlets) to focus air on the main spoiler thus furtheer improving downforce.

The 2006 WRX STi also has slightly wider gearing which can further help its chances against a Z32 TT on the highway, up until 160mph perhaps.

Like I said before though, the STi is not technilogically superior to the Z32. For example, the suspension in the 300ZXTT from a mechanical standpoint does indeed make the STi seem archaic and I do admit though aerodynamically the STi doesn't hold a candle to the 300ZX.

I found some numbers and specs here: SOURCE (http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html)

These are the fastest times for the Z I could find.

1990 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo 5.6 14.1
1992 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.7 14.2
1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.2 13.8
1994 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 6.0 14.4

2004 Subaru WRX Sti 4.9, 13.2

As for the technology thing somebody didn't think of something, the computer. There's no way they are both the same in these cars.
Take the new Mustangs, nothing but a computer on wheels. If you re-program the thing you can shave half a second off your time. You think you could of done that with the computers back in the old 5.0s? Don't think so.

Also, I think the reliablity goes to the Z here.

If I had to choose though, I'd take the Z. The STi is newer and a little bit flavor of the month. Sure it's nice to see one on the road, but there's something though about those old Zs you just can't shake.

you're calling a 300ZX TT a clunker when you have a '93 "Tegg". UM,............and how did you come to that conclusion?

This is an interesting comparison even though the two cars are in completely different price ranges. The Subaru is just a completely different style of car from the old 300zx. The Subaru will feel and handle like a rally car whereas the 300zx will feel like a Japanese version of the Corvette, however a little heavier than the vette. You guys are splitting hairs without seeing the obvious in the acceleration numbers. The Subaru is faster out of the gate because all 4 wheels are grabbing, this creates a problem for the owner if you do this too many times for obvious mechanical reasons. I believe that if both cars (stock) were going highway speed and then nailed the throttle the 300zx might pull away.

I wouldn't say superior, perhaps about equal.

here let me re-phrase my statement...

"we wont even get into the extroadinary engineering and aerodynamics that rate the Z32 far superior, in my opinion."

now let me explain why i feel this why:

one may think that price doesnt always matter but in most cases it does. like i have said before, the engineering and things that the Z32 offered was unheard of for 1990 therefore costing $45k plus for the TT model. the STI brand new in 2005 (including the higher prices) sells for a little over $35k.

Aerodynamics are just an obvious tally for the 300zx unless you are blind. it has a drag coefficient not too far off of fully built race cars.

as an overall package i think the 300zx offers alot more engineering and sphistication than does the STI. depending on what you find more essential and valuable to you...to me, engineering has mroe to do with the engine. it is the design, the features, the suspension, body, controls at your finger tips, the little tricks and ideas and inventions added to it...

by little things i mean...all controls at figner tips, where your hand doesnt have to move more than 4 inches from the steering wheel. the under body panel coated in Urethane and a bumpy surface to keep water from sticking to it and eventually causing rust, glass t-tops but still a very rigid chassis, wheels specially designed to suck air in and cool the brake calipers and rotors, seats that can be adjusted for the racng cradle position with the sides squeezing you in or the relaxed cruising position...the list goes on. but liek i said, it is the little things that nissan thought of when designing this car that make the engineering superior, in my opinion.

1990 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo 5.6 14.1
1992 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.7 14.2
1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.2 13.8
1994 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 6.0 14.4


those numbers crack me up everytime...how can you test the same exact car, just different years...4 different times and range from 5.2-6.0, 0-60mph. i dont know how they ran that Z to get that 6.0sec 0-60 but they must have not slept in a "Holiday Inn Express". that is slow...

id say most owners run anywhere from the time they have recorded in 1990 to the time they have recorded in 1993.

well the way they designed the car's aerodynamics is very different. the Z is meant to be slip stream for better top end, while the STi's is designed to put alot of downforce and reduce lift in the front end at higher speeds. thats why the blocky design of the STi is not goin to win any top speed contest, but it will however feel very glued to the ground.

you're calling a 300ZX TT a clunker when you have a '93 "Tegg". UM,............and how did you come to that conclusion?

it is if yur refferring to weight. my stripped integra weighs all of 2400-2500 lbs. hey who said that the Z weighs 3200? i have found numerous sites saying that it weighs more.....

hey what else can i do to take some weight off? already took out back seat, spare,jack,etc, no carpet, radio, air conditioning. got any advice?

i love the Z....would never hate on it....i will do a critical analyzation however....heh

here let me re-phrase my statement...

"we wont even get into the extroadinary engineering and aerodynamics that rate the Z32 far superior, in my opinion."

now let me explain why i feel this why:

one may think that price doesnt always matter but in most cases it does. like i have said before, the engineering and things that the Z32 offered was unheard of for 1990 therefore costing $45k plus for the TT model. the STI brand new in 2005 (including the higher prices) sells for a little over $35k.

Aerodynamics are just an obvious tally for the 300zx unless you are blind. it has a drag coefficient not too far off of fully built race cars.

as an overall package i think the 300zx offers alot more engineering and sphistication than does the STI. depending on what you find more essential and valuable to you...to me, engineering has mroe to do with the engine. it is the design, the features, the suspension, body, controls at your finger tips, the little tricks and ideas and inventions added to it...

by little things i mean...all controls at figner tips, where your hand doesnt have to move more than 4 inches from the steering wheel. the under body panel coated in Urethane and a bumpy surface to keep water from sticking to it and eventually causing rust, glass t-tops but still a very rigid chassis, wheels specially designed to suck air in and cool the brake calipers and rotors, seats that can be adjusted for the racng cradle position with the sides squeezing you in or the relaxed cruising position...the list goes on. but liek i said, it is the little things that nissan thought of when designing this car that make the engineering superior, in my opinion.



Unless you are trying to respond to another person in the same post I never said anything about offering more or about the same for a lower price.

Also from your engineering standpoint the STi offers a few things which the 300ZXTT doesn't. For example, the STi comes with a climate control, which is one of the few things that came from its GT brethren. Another is the ability, thanks to the DCCD, to input if you want a solid torque split or a variable one and to even determine the what the solid front/rear from a knob within the glove compartment.

Another thing, which is a huge technological plus for the STi is the integrated ECU to TCU configuration. Now before you go off on how this can't be a feature found on cars when the Z32 first came, you should consider the SVX came equipped with a management system, which is one of the 16bit ones I might add, that is about the same as the one now in the STi when it first debuted as a concept in 1989 as well as when it was first put into production in 1991. However, not everyone had the right peripherals and Subaru engineers never considered to make the SVX's ECU adaptive enough to make people able to tune it like how the STi is being tuned today. However, one company created a RAM module add on that can change that.

Not to mention the STi has or had since 2004 one of the most closely ratioed 6 speeds.

Also, even though the STi suspension is not equipped with any electrically mechanic controls for 4 wheel steering, as well as stiffening plus height adjustments, like most respectible rally cars over the past 20 years it still has to be sophisticated enough to tear through dirt and gravel while still able to hold well to its up-most on tarmac.

Also, the 2006 WRX comes with probably one of the most sophisticated combination of HID low beam and halogen light projector configurations. As well as coming equipped with daytime running lights and finally for the STi as well, fog lights below it.

As seats go it might not be as adjustable as the 300ZX but they are upholstered with a tactile, stiff, yet comfortable Ecsaine fabric with only the closest of sorts found in its Mitsubishi rival and within the aftermarket.

I still agree with you though that the Z32TT is still a more sophisticatingly engineered automobile mostly in part because it was designed primarily to be but you just can't call the STi a pure brute. Its more like a car that was designed through high tech engineering to be one. :p

Also from your engineering standpoint the STi offers a few things which the 300ZXTT doesn't. For example, the STi comes with a climate control, which is one of the few things that came from its GT brethren. Another is the ability, thanks to the DCCD, to input if you want a solid torque split or a variable one and to even determine the what the solid front/rear from a knob within the glove compartment.
the 300zxTT has climate control...a very well designed climate control that cars today are just now starting to feature. i dont know where you got your information about it not having climate control...

and yes once again, the 300zx doesnt have AWD...

Another thing, which is a huge technological plus for the STi is the integrated ECU to TCU configuration. Now before you go off on how this can't be a feature found on cars when the Z32 first came, you should consider the SVX came equipped with a management system, which is one of the 16bit ones I might add, that is about the same as the one now in the STi when it first debuted as a concept in 1989 as well as when it was first put into production in 1991. However, not everyone had the right peripherals and Subaru engineers never considered to make the SVX's ECU adaptive enough to make people able to tune it like how the STi is being tuned today. However, one company created a RAM module add on that can change that.

i dont exactly know how this is beneficial once the car is in the driver's hands...but maybe you would like to explain so i dotn have to research it.

Not to mention the STi has or had since 2004 one of the most closely ratioed 6 speeds.

and the 300zxTT has one of the best geared 5-speeds on the planet. manages quick 1/4 miles times that is only a little over a half second slower than its 15 year old competition. but still has the proper gearing in a 5-speed to manage to go at speeds around 200mph. different takes for different people...but definitely not a technological advantage in either case. does the STI come in a 4-speed automatic with OD? i would say that is an advancement that is over-looked...i dont know if Subaru cant make a automatic gearbox strong or reliable enough to handle the power or they just didnt feel it was necessary. reguardless automatics offer more technology than ancient times manual transmissions.

Also, the 2006 WRX comes with probably one of the most sophisticated combination of HID low beam and halogen light projector configurations. As well as coming equipped with daytime running lights and finally for the STi as well, fog lights below it.

like i said, i gave the STI the headlights nods because it offers HID's instead of the 300zx's projectors. eventhough the technology was not available for the 300zx to have HID's there is no argument on my side because that is what this thread is entitled.

as far as fog lights go...i dont know where you were going because the 300zx also has fog lights. i wouldnt call day-time running lights a technological advancement...i dont even see the point of having them at all. if you want to see lights out of my front end when the sun is out...i can turn on my headlights for you. thats not a problem...


I still agree with you though that the Z32TT is still a more sophisticatingly engineered automobile mostly in part because it was designed primarily to be but you just can't call the STi a pure brute. Its more like a car that was designed through high tech engineering to be one. :p
and i will agree with you that the STI is not a brute as i have never called a Brute. i simply said it was built to please a certain crowd...

like i said, i liek the STI and i am not being biased...but i think the 300zx was engineered better. i may have different wants out of a car and you may have other wants out of your cars, like HID...

Sorry about that, I only saw on the net plus peered into the interior of one on a couple of occassions:evillol: and assumed it wasn't climate control, it could have been the NA one even though I assume the interior in those are exactly the same, my bad.

And yes, I do agree with you that the 300ZX has more electronic and interior features. I just am saying that the STi is not completely left in its technilogical wake.

As for the WRX's ECU the benifit of having such an intergrated and user accessible features is the ability to re-configure and program apects of fuel timing and torque slits that can offer good performance gains, depending on what you are doing, without physically tweaking that much of the engine or tranny. In other words an ECU that is found in the WRX doesn't need an additional RAM module most of the time since it is already quite proggramable as is.

And as for it being only a manual, that is pretty much Subaru's thinking on it appealing to its core performance oriented audience and take away from the brutish rally feeling. Even though WRC cars now use automatics. That and the fact that a 6 speed automatic that can withstand its power would be bit expensive to mass produce.

Sorry about that, I only saw on the net plus peered into the interior of one on a couple of occassions:evillol: and assumed it wasn't climate control, it could have been the NA one even though I assume the interior in those are exactly the same, my bad.

i think very few base models came with the little circular switch that controls the fan speed. but i personally have never seen one without climate control...

And yes, I do agree with you that the 300ZX has more electronic and interior features. I just am saying that the STi is not completely left in its technilogical wake.

agreed...

As for the WRX's ECU the benifit of having such an intergrated and user accessible features is the ability to re-configure and program apects of fuel timing and torque slits that can offer good performance gains, depending on what you are doing, without physically tweaking that much of the engine or tranny. In other words an ECU that is found in the WRX doesn't need an additional RAM module most of the time since it is already quite proggramable as is.
i guess that could be beneficial to someone who knows what they are doing and with access to a dyno. but then again, the Z32 had OBD-I which is able to diagnose its own sensor failures and other miscallaneous things. for the average do-it-yourselfer...this is a life saver rather than having sommbody charge you an enormous amount of money just to tell you that your ECT sensor has a malfunction.


And as for it being only a manual, that is pretty much Subaru's thinking on it appealing to its core performance oriented audience and take away from the brutish rally feeling. Even though WRC cars now use automatics. That and the fact that a 6 speed automatic that can withstand its power would be bit expensive to mass produce.

maybe...but i feel they could have sold quite a few more STI's if they would have offered it in an Automatic. maybe a special option that would have to be special ordered...i understand that the car should have a 6-speed manual but when you are selling a car for $30k+ you have to look at who is able to afford these cars. i know alot of older gentlemen that would be pleased if Mitsubishi or Subaru offered the EVO or STI in an automatic. their wives keep them from buying a manual, in case they need to drive it. its a ridiculous excuse but it is a factor none-the-less.

and the 300zxTT has one of the best geared 5-speeds on the planet. manages quick 1/4 miles times that is only a little over a half second slower than its 15 year old competition. but still has the proper gearing in a 5-speed to manage to go at speeds around 200mph. different takes for different people...but definitely not a technological advantage in either case. does the STI come in a 4-speed automatic with OD? i would say that is an advancement that is over-looked...i dont know if Subaru cant make a automatic gearbox strong or reliable enough to handle the power or they just didnt feel it was necessary. reguardless automatics offer more technology than ancient times manual transmissions.


how much work do you have to do to motor/tranny to hit 200mph? thats a ridiculous #. if thats true than the one of the most amazing trannies built to date.

oh yeah.....

the 300zxTT weighs in at 3,414lbs.
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/spec_Exterior.aspx?year=1990&make=Nissan&model=300ZX&trimid=-1&src=VIP&tab=2&sub=4

He's saying that the 300ZX is geared to go 200 mph, not that it has the power to do it. You'd need to do quite a bit of aftermarket work to reach that kind of speed. And yes, the weight for a bare-bones model is about 3,400 lbs, and more if it has options. Anyways, I love the 300ZX, and I also agree that it is the more sophisticated car than the STi, but I just don't see it being a better overall performance package. The STi has an extra gear, a better power-to-weight ratio, and fifteen years of tire, brake, suspension, and chassis technology on the 300ZX. It'd be ridiculous if it wasn't the faster car. Not to say that the 300ZX is slow, or a bad car - it was one of the best and most loved sports cars of the 90's, and remains a beloved classic even today - but you can't realistically expect a 15-year-old sports car to keep up with a brand-new sports car, especially when their prices are only about ten grand apart.

He's saying that the 300ZX is geared to go 200 mph, not that it has the power to do it. You'd need to do quite a bit of aftermarket work to reach that kind of speed.

i know that the 300Z doesnt have the power to hit 200 stock. what i was asking is if you can run all that power through that tranny w/ out a rebuild.

i know that the 300Z doesnt have the power to hit 200 stock. what i was asking is if you can run all that power through that tranny w/ out a rebuild.

yes, the stock tranny can withstand 750+rwhp without any modifications internally. you will need a stronger clutch but as far is the tranny goes, it can withstand alot of power.

i think the last i seen was a guy hit 187mph w/ a stage III upgrade. i cant take this for fact but that is his claim. i will do a little search and see if i can dig it up.

BTW: stage III on a Twin Turbo is an ECU upgrade w/boost jets ($250), Cat-back exhaust ($500-$1200), and cone air filter($50-$150). so, with less than $1000 you can have a 185mph car...which will also bump you from 300hp to the crank to about 400hp.

but yes, like kman said it will take some modification to get the Z32 to hit 200mph but i bet straight bolt-on modifications on a well-maintained motor could net you very close to the 200mph mark.

keep in mine that this is what this particular car was built for...thats why it isnt that hard of a challenge. the very low drag coeficient is what really helps this car cut the air at high speeds. plus aftermarket rear diffusers and front spoiler dams can always be added for more downforce and stability. but as for a production car costing less than $100k...it doesnt get much better when it comes to aerodynamics.

but as for a production car costing less than $100k...it doesnt get much better when it comes to aerodynamics.

Except for my car.:p

But thats if you're primarily talking about aerodynamics for a cheap price. And don't forget the Toyota Corolla. :naughty:

oddly enough the G35 sedan only has a .26 Co.ef of drag. thats better then the Z the G35 coupe and the vette and the nsx.

I guess when auto manufacturers figured out that better aerodynamics equates to better fuel economy, most of them have been trying to apply it to all their lineup ever since.

The only car that seems to beat the G35 and Toyota Corolla, which both beat the SVX which has a .29 drag coefficient. So far from what I can the only other economized car that beats both is the Daihatsu YRV with a .25 coef. I wonder when Subaru is going to follow when it comes to producing a car with good aerodynamics such as this concept (http://www.subaru-msm.com/global/feature/issues/3.html) (but I admit I do like the production one better, I am just talking about applied aerodynamics here, aside from the SVX. But I guess they are more interested in primarily downforce for the STi and very aerodynamic looks would currently clash with Subaru’s design. Does anyone know which car has been ranked so far for having the best overall aerodynamics or drag coefficient?

oddly enough the G35 sedan only has a .26 Co.ef of drag. thats better then the Z the G35 coupe and the vette and the nsx.

wow thats impressive...i was surprised when i learned the 350Z had a better Drag Coefficient then the Z32 but obviously looks do not tell the whole story.

the Z32's Drag Coefficient is a .29 along with the SVX. like i said, there isnt many cars under $100k that stay under .30.

BTW: stage III on a Twin Turbo is an ECU upgrade w/boost jets ($250), Cat-back exhaust ($500-$1200), and cone air filter($50-$150). so, with less than $1000 you can have a 185mph car...which will also bump you from 300hp to the crank to about 400hp.

but yes, like kman said it will take some modification to get the Z32 to hit 200mph but i bet straight bolt-on modifications on a well-maintained motor could net you very close to the 200mph mark.

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this is deeply disturbing information to somebody that wasted $10 grand modding a Honda.

this is deeply disturbing information to somebody that wasted $10 grand modding a Honda.

:lol: sorry...you could always ignore that statement and pretend i never said it.

wow thats impressive...i was surprised when i learned the 350Z had a better Drag Coefficient then the Z32 but obviously looks do not tell the whole story.

the Z32's Drag Coefficient is a .29 along with the SVX. like i said, there isnt many cars under $100k that stay under .30.

At least not until 2000 or 2002. I also meant the Camry has a .26 coefficient, the Corolla has a guess what .29.:lol:

But downforce also plays a key role in aerodynamically reflecting the perform.

:rofl: Than that means a 300ZXTT is more aerodynamic than a Mclaren F1, but I guess weight, downforce as well as weight distrbution play a huge role in contributing to the best of the F1's abilities. But I still wonder if you can make an exotic out of a Z32, I know they have already done it with the Subaru and RX-7. But I am probably answering my own question with that one. :rolleyes:

But I still wonder if you can make an exotic out of a Z32, I know they have already done it with the Subaru and RX-7.

what do you mean by exotic?

But I still wonder if you can make an exotic out of a Z32, I know they have already done it with the Subaru and RX-7.
what do you mean by exotic?

Whoops I didn't mean Subaru, I meant Supra.:cwm27:

I wish someone would modify a Subaru like that. Partibular mine.:smokin:

There is an exotic though being made based on the Impreza platform who is made by same folks behind the Ford RS200, but thats aside from the point.

As for the statement I was trying to make, the 300ZX might have to drag coeficient down pat but without sufficient downforce and weight distribution it won't be able to reach 200mph.

There have been people though through full body kits that pretty much drastically change the shape of the Supra and RX-7 including the engine's position so it can reach those speeds. So I am guess either somebody will or someone has done that already with the Z32.

One thing to remember:

Low drag coefficient only means that it has less drag. Many vehicles have a low drag coefficient but become unstable at high speeds. What is really needed is a balance of drag and downforce, which can equate to a higher drag coefficient.

A Formula 1 car has a cd of about 1.5, but it results in the ability to pull over 4 lateral g's in some situations.

Whoops I didn't mean Subaru, I meant Supra.:cwm27:

I wish someone would modify a Subaru like that. Partibular mine.:smokin:

There is an exotic though being made based on the Impreza platform who is made by same folks behind the Ford RS200, but thats aside from the point.

As for the statement I was trying to make, the 300ZX might have to drag coeficient down pat but without sufficient downforce and weight distribution it won't be able to reach 200mph.

There have been people though through full body kits that pretty much drastically change the shape of the Supra and RX-7 including the engine's position so it can reach those speeds. So I am guess either somebody will or someone has done that already with the Z32.

well, the 300zx holds some kind of record for some class of speed challenge. it had to have the same motor it came with stock and the same stock body...i think at the salt flats it was 240mph or somewhere in that area. i will try to find the thread...

i have never heard of anybody moving the engine in the 300zx or anything like that. people are surprised when they learn that the little chin spoiler on the back of a stock TT actually adds quite a bit of downforce. it causes the air moving over the hatch to divert up...if it is diverted up, it has to push down first. hence very good downforce without the EVO/STI/Supra like spoilers

I didn't mean moving the engine around as much as perhaps lowering it for the sake of better balance as in handling and perhaps permitting a more swooping hood. Even though I doubt the Z32 needs that.

Also I think there are differences between the back lip on spoiler on the 300ZXTT compared to the larger ones on the EVO and STi. The 300ZX one is more for gradual downforce while with the rally cars they design it so it imediately plants the car down. Also I think recently the spoilers for the EVO and STi seem to be really large in order to actually hamper or to prevent them from going at speeds where they could seriously go out of control. I guess theory stems from how spoilers have been getting larger since the days of group B. Anyone is welcome and I would like if somebody can correct me on this.

Btw, good point kfoote.

I didn't mean moving the engine around as much as perhaps lowering it for the sake of better balance as in handling and perhaps permitting a more swooping hood. Even though I doubt the Z32 needs that.

Also I think there are differences between the back lip on spoiler on the 300ZXTT compared to the larger ones on the EVO and STi. The 300ZX one is more for gradual downforce while with the rally cars they design it so it imediately plants the car down. Also I think recently the spoilers for the EVO and STi seem to be really large in order to actually hamper or to prevent them from going at speeds where they could seriously go out of control. I guess theory stems from how spoilers have been getting larger since the days of group B. Anyone is welcome and I would like if somebody can correct me on this.

Btw, good point kfoote.

oh i didnt mean that the spoilers didnt serve two differnet purposes...i was just stating that alot of people belive that you have to have a big spoiler to have downforce and the Z32 is a perfect example of not having a big spoiler but still having plenty of downforce to hit well over 200mph.

BTW: im still looking for the thread that teh Z32 recently broke the fastest land speed in a certain category.