Classic...WRX vs SRT4

Haven't posted on here in a while again :icon16:
I was on my way back from toronto on the 401 (big ontario highway), not many cars out, just enjoying the nice hot summer air and listening to my euro beats...you know that high pitched techno shiznit.

Just installed my new intercooler hoses the day before so I was enjoying listening to the amplified sound of my small turbo spinning its ass off in 5th gear (oh and the couple hundred rpm less of lag too :lol2: ). I see a red neon get off the ramp and onto the highway a few hundred meters up, see the big wing and i know its an srt4. I pull up beside him and what do you know, its one of my buddies! I remember talking to him a few weeks back telling me how he SMOKES wrx's on the highway, and takes STi's by a few car lengths too. He knew I had a good mod list but was still confident that he'd take me on the highway (he's got an intake and he raised boost 4psi from stock with this wastegate DIY mod...about 20whp extra or so).

So I was anxious to see how I would do against him, seeing as SRT4s and WRXs are always on an ongoing fight! I pull up to him and let him know I'm willing to challenge, he says lets go from 3rd gear. I was like shiiiiit the srt4s 3rd gear is fuckin crazy from what I hear. Anyways on with the race:

We punch it in third, my tiny td04 whinning like a bitch trying to keep up to the srt4s 16g, he's pulling on me by about a car, i cant even hear my music anymore cuz all i can hear is whhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee , whhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeee, shift into 4th, hit my max boost and start reeling his ass in so slowly, by the end of fourth i got about 3/4 car length on him.

We stopped at the gas station and he said he was fucking absolutely shocked. He thinks my car is some sort of fucking freak from the factory. The 50 minute ride back to my house i had the biggest fuckin grin on my face :biggrin: and now I cant wait to get some cash and get an upgrade and toss this small snail in the garbage.

sorry for the long story~

Good kill. What mods do you have?

thats a nice kill. I dunno, but around my area, there are some very cocky SRT4 kids. NICE!

Hm..I don't know man..you'd have to have alot of mods to keep up with a modded SRT-4 from a roll. WRXs have loadds of turbo lag.

Good race man, i haven't even got to run a stock sartie yet, let alone a modded one that would hand me my ass... All i get is Mustang GT's...

What turbo are you going to upgrade to, and what else is planned for your car?

oops forgot to include mods....
Turbo back exhaust
Up pipe (cuts lag down like a mofo)
Headers
Intake
UTEC (engine management tuned by professional subaru guy)
Silicone intercooler hoses

So ya obviously I'm not stock

Josh - I'm thinking either a Large 16g or 18g (fitted for wrx's obviously cuz the normal DSM's won't fit). Also I plan on upgrading clutch and flywheel obviously, a better tune (dyno), and the supporting mods for the turbo ie. injectors + fuel pump.

oops forgot to include mods....
Turbo back exhaust
Up pipe (cuts lag down like a mofo)
Headers
Intake
UTEC (engine management tuned by professional subaru guy)
Silicone intercooler hoses

So ya obviously I'm not stock

Josh - I'm thinking either a Large 16g or 18g (fitted for wrx's obviously cuz the normal DSM's won't fit). Also I plan on upgrading clutch and flywheel obviously, a better tune (dyno), and the supporting mods for the turbo ie. injectors + fuel pump.

16g if you wanna push your transmission. 18g if you wanna push your motor. :smile:

16g if you wanna push your transmission. 18g if you wanna push your motor. :smile:

LOL you sure don't know much when it comes to WRXs do you ... :rofl:

LOL you sure don't know much when it comes to WRXs do you ... :rofl:

Oh? I don't? Prove me wrong. :rofl:

I don't feel like searching the subaru boards for you. www.nasioc.com there you'll find numerous wrx's running 20g and higher turbos

Since you have a WRX..I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just say you misunderstood what I meant. So what I mean is..with a 16g..you're going to be making enough power to push your transmission to it's limits. 290-330awhp. Then about 330awhp-360awhp with an 18g. Around there..you're going to start pushing the reliability of your motor.

Anytime you add power it's gonna put equal stress on both engine and tranny, just depends on what holds out the longest, i'm assuming you mean the tranny will go before the engine though.

I don't feel like searching the subaru boards for you. www.nasioc.com there you'll find numerous wrx's running 20g and higher turbos

Cool. People put 20gs on WRXs. That doesn't mean they don't have built motors/transmissions. And it also doesn't mean that they have a reliable car. You hear about people blowing up their cars all the time..one of the reasons? Because they heard some guy out in so and so place put "this" or "that" mod on his car and it runs fine. :icon16:

Anytime you add power it's gonna put equal stress on both engine and tranny, just depends on what holds out the longest, i'm assuming you mean the tranny will go before the engine though.

Definitely. It's very common knowledge that the WRXs five speed isn't exactly the epitome of strength. Compare it to the 10 bolt in LS1 f-bodies. It's the weakest link. Now, the STis 6 speed..that's practically indestructible. I'd compare it to perhaps a viper spec T-56.

Yes the 6spd STi trannys are the way to go for upgraded power...since I am looking at Large 16g turbo, I SHOULD be looking at doing a tranny swap but I don't feel like I absolutely NEED one since I will rarely beat on my car with the new power. If I were to go 20g or higher then yes DEFINATELY tranny swap and rebuild motor, even swap again.

is that guy just here to show us that he knows shit about wrx's?

cant you just say nice kill?


nvm

...he's got an intake and he raised boost 4psi from stock with this wastegate DIY mod...about 20whp extra or so...

4psi of boost is closer to a 30whp-40whp gain and maybe 50wtq. An intake on an SRT-4 is a waste of money though. The stock intake and airbox is being used on 90% of those fast SRT-4's running low 12's on the factory turbo. It isn't until you go with a bigger snail that the stock airbox becomes restrictive.

When you say "wastegate DIY mod", are you talking about a new wastegate and a boost controller? I've never heard DIY before. I tried an AGP wastegate and MBC on my old SRT-4 and it was a complete pain in the ass. After a weak of driving around with my shop gloves and a 10mm ratchet trying to fine tune the damn thing I'd had enough. I sold both and just bought stage 2. It was plug and play. With that and my 3" exhaust it was probably a low 13 second/high 12 second car if driven well. God knows it would have been hard on those pizza cutter rims though.

Its not a new wastegate, what he did was by a spring clamp or w/e the hell its closed and put it on the wastegate arm, i'll have to ask him again, all i know is he got 4 psi extra

Its not a new wastegate, what he did was by a spring clamp or w/e the hell its closed and put it on the wastegate arm, i'll have to ask him again, all i know is he got 4 psi extra

Ah ok. It's called the "spring mod". It was one of the first welfare mods I ever read about on the SRT forums. Here's a "how to" over there...

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161023

It's easy to do and only costs about $8 in parts at Home Depot. I never did it but I know it works. Only problem is that you have to keep resetting the PCM every couple days because the computer starts gradually bringing the boost back down to stock levels.

Sweet race, lots of turbo hiss in that competition.

Why not the IHI VF series turbos? Something wrong with them? (I'm asking cos I finally got a decent job to start shit with my car)

^^ there is nothing wrong with the IHI series turbos, just that they are not "up-gradable" like the greddy turbos are. Once the IHI turbos are done, you throw them out, hence why they are cheaper. I might consider upgrading to a VF34 or VF22 and see what it's like first and if i like it i'll stay with it, if not i'll sell it and go Big16g

4psi of boost is closer to a 30whp-40whp gain and maybe 50wtq. An intake on an SRT-4 is a waste of money though. The stock intake and airbox is being used on 90% of those fast SRT-4's running low 12's on the factory turbo. It isn't until you go with a bigger snail that the stock airbox becomes restrictive.

When you say "wastegate DIY mod", are you talking about a new wastegate and a boost controller? I've never heard DIY before. I tried an AGP wastegate and MBC on my old SRT-4 and it was a complete pain in the ass. After a weak of driving around with my shop gloves and a 10mm ratchet trying to fine tune the damn thing I'd had enough. I sold both and just bought stage 2. It was plug and play. With that and my 3" exhaust it was probably a low 13 second/high 12 second car if driven well. God knows it would have been hard on those pizza cutter rims though.

Low 12s on the factory turbo?? Whaa? S3R barely musters low 12s on street tires and that's an upgraded turbo. GT35R kits run low 12s/high 11s. All on street tires of course. I know one guy who runs 12.3s on stock turbo but it's on slicks. He also has a boat load of mods too. intercooler, agp wga, some mbc, full exhaust, "super secret tuning", and a good ole' mopar STS. Also, it's an 03..so he added his own quaife LSD.

Low 12s on the factory turbo?? Whaa? S3R barely musters low 12s on street tires and that's an upgraded turbo. GT35R kits run low 12s/high 11s. All on street tires of course. I know one guy who runs 12.3s on stock turbo but it's on slicks. He also has a boat load of mods too. intercooler, agp wga, some mbc, full exhaust, "super secret tuning", and a good ole' mopar STS. Also, it's an 03..so he added his own quaife LSD.
I was thinking Mopar stage 3 when I wrote that. It's technically still the factory turbo housing although it's been upgraded with larger compressor and turbine wheels. I think mid 12's on a 100% stock turbo (higher boost of course) would pretty much be the limit of the factory snail.

oops forgot to include mods....
Turbo back exhaust
Up pipe (cuts lag down like a mofo)
Headers
Intake
UTEC (engine management tuned by professional subaru guy)
Silicone intercooler hoses

So ya obviously I'm not stock

Josh - I'm thinking either a Large 16g or 18g (fitted for wrx's obviously cuz the normal DSM's won't fit). Also I plan on upgrading clutch and flywheel obviously, a better tune (dyno), and the supporting mods for the turbo ie. injectors + fuel pump.

Who makes headers for the wrx?

lots of companies, off the top of my mind:
Vibrant
Borla
Gruppe-S

Nice race