I didnt know it had gotten this bad. . .

ok so on my way home from work, going to mcdonalds to fill my munchy craze. So on the way there is a 50's MDs, it had a 1950's type theme and normally alot of Muscle cars hang out there. Well sunday night at 11:30 is when the extreme ricers come out. This is beyond normal rice, they are so ricey they cant attach stickers, neons, new hub caps, and any other kind of ricer mod. These guys just have a fart cannon and a park bench for a wing. Anything else is beyond there knowledge or skill level. So as i drive up i see a line of lowest models of cars that can be made fast, but these are the bottom end. Lots of 4 cylinder Talons, 2nd gen eclipses, neon SXT with SRT4 Badge and exhaust, but hub caps. So anways i just roll up my windows and try to ignore them from the inside of my tinted windows. As im sitting there the base model eclipse pulls in behind me. Then as i look at the car in front of me i see a Toyota Corolla base model, nice fart can exhaust and massive aluminum wing. Surrounded by extreme ricers, i wanted to leave but i already ordered my food. So as im sitting there, the corolla notices me behind him, so what does that stupid fuck do? REV YOUR ENGINE TO REDLINE!!! So i just look at him and give him the finger. But wait, the ricer behind me cant back down a challenge. So then i hear the eclipse rev higher and longer. Ohh please i prey that the engine blows, please rev it louder kid. Yeah thats another thing, all the people i saw were like 16 years old at most. I just couldnt believe what i was seeing. I did not know the rice level got this low. I was fearful, i was. Finally the corolla gets his food and wants to show off his power, so he punches it and manages to get a tiny peep from them. I get my food and drive off. Ignoring the stupid revs i get as i pass them. I think they just sat there in there cars reving at people as they went by. So i just leave and prey that none of them would follow. I think they wouldnt actually race someone, i think they just like to rev at people and pretend to be vin diesel. So i get home and am still shocked by the level of extreme rice thats out there.

Please if you are an extrem ricer, or know someone who is, please seek help. Please stop being such a douche! PLEASE!

Whats up with the big paragraph Jayson you of all people :disappoin . Atleast your grammar was decent.

I honestly can't comprehend what goes through their minds. I think spending a single day with any one of the "extreme ricers" would turn my brain into feces. Its really sad that they have to give the real enthusiast a bad name.

Its really sad that they have to give the real enthusiast a bad name.

i know how that goes... *cough* detroitmuscle *cough*

i know what you mean.... there's so much damn rice here it's pathetic.

theres a black kid by my school that runs around it a old primer gray escort with a huge wing, who trys to race me everyday wow loser

From a thread I posted on another board last week:

SO THEYRE I WAS MINDNG MAH OWN BUSIENS CRUISNG ALONG RT3 11 WH3N WE CATCH UP 2 THIS GUY IN A MID-80S NISAN 30ZX TURBO WHO WAS WEAVNG BAK AND FORTH IN TRAFIC TRYNG 2 RAEC A VW GOLF IN FRONT OF HIM!11!!! WAL TEH ROAD SPLIT IN2 TWO LAENS AND HE 2K ONE AND I 2K DA OTHER!111! LOL TEH BLONDE CUTEI IN HIS PASENGERS S3AT SAW MAH CAR TURNED SMIELD AND WINKAD AT M3!!11 OMG TEH GIRL I WAS WIT SADE I THINK SHA LIEKS UR CAR!!!1!1! OMG I DONT THNG HE LIEKD IT AT AL!!1111! WE WER3 S2P3D AT TEH LIGHT AND AT TAHT POINT I NU HA WANTED 2 GO1!11!!! OMG LOL WHEN TEH LIGHT TURNAD GREN I REV3D DA CAR UP 2 1800 RPM AND EAESD OF DA CLUTCH 2 TRY NOT 2 SPIN DA TIERS11!1 LOL HA PULAD AWAY FROM M3 BUT I START3D 2 CATCH HIM UNTIL HA CAUGHT UP 2 TEH VW IN FRONT OF HIM111!1!1 LOL I WAS GANENG BUT HAD 2 BAK OF B/C I WAS CATCHNG TEH MINIVAN IN FRONT OF M31!!!1!! I PULED UP 2 HIM AT DA NEXT LIGHT AND IT LOK3D LIEK HE WANT3D 2 GO AGANE BUT H3 TURN3D LEFT AND BROKE IT OF1!111 LOL WUT A LOS3R111!! I GUES HE DIDNT WANT 2 G3T SMOKAD IN TEH REMATCH1111 LOL

CN: saw an idiot in a 300ZX Turbo on Sunday

Dialect courtesy of the AOLer translator.

For the educated, here is my story prior to being run through the translator:

So there I was minding my own business, cruising along rte 11 when we catch up to this guy in a mid-80's Nissan 300ZX Turbo who was weaving back and forth in traffic trying to race a VW Golf in front of him. Well, the road split into two lanes, and he took one, and I took the other. The blonde cutie in his passenger's seat saw my car, turned, smiled and winked at me. The girl I was with said "I think she likes your car". I don't thing he liked it at all. We were stopped at the light, and at that point I knew he wanted to go. When the light turned green, I revved the car up to 1800 RPM and eased off the clutch to try not to spin the tires. He pulled away from me, but I started to catch him until he caught up to the VW in front of him. I was gaining, but had to back off because I was catching the Minivan in front of me. I pulled up to him at the next light, and it looked like he wanted to go again, but he turned left and broke it off. What a loser. I guess he didn't want to get smoked in the rematch.

Ricers are everywhere, and spreading like the plague.

Sadly that is mostly what I see around the Provo/Orem area. Actually we have quite a mix of ricers. We have the shitbox ricers that have a slow shitbox where hardly any of the body panels have matching colors. However, they have the exhaust, sometimes a wing, and sometimes alloy wheels. Usually they just remove their hubcaps to show off their black steelies. My guess is that they had just barely seen the Fast and the Furious. Then you have the step up from the shitbox ricers. They guys that have stickers on their cars of all the parts they've installed and some that they haven't. Remember, there is ALWAYS an APC sticker. These guys always have I/H/E done along with some wheels and tires. They also usually have a wing, an unpainted body kit, and enough gauges to make a 747 pilot blush. Don't forget the little fire extinguisher! There are some that might even have a car that has a turbo from the factory but they are usually Saabs or Volvos. However, there are some guys who have a nice one, but it is running like shit and they don't have the money or the brains to fix it. Then you have the guys that actually have done a good job of making their ride look nice. Everything matches and is painted to match as well. However, they usually have 18" or larger wheels and 35 or lower profile tires all in the name to improve handling as they would say. They also usually have their cars lowered about a half of an inch from the ground, also in the name of handling. Too bad they don't have any clue about physics or suspension geometry to know that they have fucked up royally on all three accounts. Then you have the sleeper ricer, the dumb ass in the dead stock looking Mercury Sable or Chevy Corsica that is racing everyone off the line.

They come in all shapes and sizes, but they all have one thing in common, they don't have the brains that God gave a pissant.

Lots of 4 cylinder Talons,


.... as if they came with anything else. :icon16:

I absolutely HATE rice and we have plenty around here but what is cool is a bunch of high end imports meet at the local hooters on saturdays sometimes.

Yeah when I was in high school all the ricers would drive to the local Rona in either their Civic w/fartcan, dads bimmer, or bimmer dad bought for me...they've moved but the rice hasnt...I can't go to a coffee shop after work to grab a drink and a bagel without a bunch of kids revving the shit out of their car and trying to peel out of the parking lot

.... as if they came with anything else. :icon16:
Someone obviously never heard of the W12 top secret talon.
Really rare

lol yeah i was pretty high last night when i wrote that, but it was all the NA 4 cylinder engines. But normally i dont see that kind of rice in my area. I live in Dearborn Michigan, like the home of automotive technology. Pretty much everyone drives a mustang or camaro here. Rice for the most part isnt a problem because everyones parents works for ford motor company, or one of the neighboring companies and there kids get nice cars. I was just a slap in the face to see all that rice and to such an extrem.

Mercury Sable


heh i know a kid like that with a mercury topaz... he was tryin to screw with me one day... then i dropped it into 3rd at about 60 and got rid of him...

heh i know a kid like that with a mercury topaz... he was tryin to screw with me one day... then i dropped it into 3rd at about 60 and got rid of him...

LOL!

Yeah, I think they are the funniest of all ricers. At least the others are trying to look the part.

WHOA dude...i didn't kno the hardcore columbia Street racers went to your town or i woulda come...

jeez, they ALL left one night and i guess they went to mcd's

...o well

Kid: Ya im gonna buy that Integra, its GSR

Me: Really? that is funny

Previously
Me: so what engine does that integra have in it?

Person: the stock motor blew so we threw a D16 in there with some new valve covers

Later
Me: I hate spoilers, a few low profile ones can add to the look but 98.456% (i didnt realyl say that gay number) of kids with spoilers that htey got from walmart made out of fake brished aluminum (as if that where possible) and add more drag than downforce

Kid: ya me too and spoilers are only effective over 120mph

Me: which is why they dont belong on honda's (ignoreing the fact of his ignorance to how a spoiler works or why you have one)

Kid: man my integra will have one, so and so's needs one, ill be pushing 145 easy when im done with that engine

Me: :snikers to self at the fact that he is oblivious to the actual engine that is in it:

its every where....even in a place where a lifted GMC on 35's is more common than an accord or civic...stock or rice or otherwise...

It never really bothered me (I'm 16, there are lots of them around) until a kid I was talking to told me a friend of his was going to drop a "skyline engine" into his civic and put out 550 HP. I couldn't begin to explain why this made absolutely no sense, so i said, "sweet, that will be fast!"

I had someone last night try to convince me that he had put a Subaru WRX engine in a Saturn. Even his friend thought he was an idiot for that one. THe friend seemed genuinely interested and somewhat knowledgeable about my STi, but it was all I could do to not laugh at the Saturn WRX.

As im sitting there the base model eclipse pulls in behind me.

So then i hear the eclipse rev higher and longer.

What a disgrace :disappoin

I would have gotten out of my car and bitch slapped him!

...Dearborn Michigan, like the home of automotive technology...mustang or camaro here
Automotive technology and Mustang or Camaro...two subjects that shoudln't be used in conjunction...

Automotive technology and Mustang or Camaro...two subjects that shoudln't be used in conjunction...


Well let's face it, Japan hasn't discovered torque yet :smile:

Well let's face it, Japan hasn't discovered torque yet :smile:

But Europe and Japan can get the same HP and performance, or better, outa smaller engines...And after all, the Germans did make the first gasoline car, using a German engine based on a French design. I think the french had a steam powered one earlier on.

I agree there is mad technology and they can use it, but you say you can do it with smaller ENGINEs... not smaller engines with a CRUTCH. (FI).

I wouldn't mind a blower or turbo, but you have to admit 600hp NA is more impressive/harder to achieve that 600hp with FI.

WTF does who made the first car have anything to do with this discussion? But thanks for the cool fact though :thumbsup:

Gah, back on topic.

I agree there is mad technology and they can use it, but you say you can do it with smaller ENGINEs... not smaller engines with a CRUTCH. (FI).

LS1-5.7L, 350HP
S54B32-3.2L, 333HP

Now, unless there is a secret Turbo that BMW isn't telling anyone about...

And with modern technology taht even the domestic types have...if you cant get 100hp per liter of a 6.0 V8, then I would be rather miffed...And 600HP NA is impressive. But it still looses to 900HP FId.

Haha, I just about shit myself trying so hard to hold in a laugh during a speech for finals in Business/Professional Speech. This guy was debating Fords > GM and he said that Ford built the first automobile. My roommate and I snickered, so did his fiancee who is learning a good bit about the automotive sector.

Later on another stated that GM > Ford, my roommate debated Imports > Domestics and I just went over the benefits of racing in organized events.

depends what gen corolla it was, the 4agze corolla comes with about 180 hp and with s/c like yours, it should've p0wned u no probs, its also about 400 lbs lighter than ur 01' cavy, also, the AE-92 FWD Corolla comes with 200 hp stock, im not sure which 01 cavy you have, but my seventh gen corolla has as much hp as the 01' cavy base models, depends on which gen of corolla you saw, but if you had a big exhaust on ur cavy, i wouldn't care who you are, i'll try to race you somehow, unless ur scared? no offence, but if a slower car reved at me, like that corolla or eclipse did to you, i'd hit the throttle to show who's boss around here, one way or another....know what im saying...

LS1-5.7L, 350HP
S54B32-3.2L, 333HP

Now, unless there is a secret Turbo that BMW isn't telling anyone about...

And with modern technology taht even the domestic types have...if you cant get 100hp per liter of a 6.0 V8, then I would be rather miffed...And 600HP NA is impressive. But it still looses to 900HP FId.

And how much does that engine cost? And how much torque does it make?

I think we both make valid points but honestly either of us will not change our views...

While its on my mind, heres a quick joke:

What is the difference between a 900hp Supra, a 1000hp Supra, and a 1200hp Supra?

They all run 12sec 1/4 miles :lol:

And how much does that engine cost? And how much torque does it make?

I think we both make valid points but honestly either of us will not change our views...

While its on my mind, heres a quick joke:

What is the difference between a 900hp Supra, a 1000hp Supra, and a 1200hp Supra?

They all run 12sec 1/4 miles :lol:

thats not really a difference...

depends what gen corolla it was, the 4agze corolla comes with about 180 hp and with s/c like yours, it should've p0wned u no probs, its also about 400 lbs lighter than ur 01' cavy, also, the AE-92 FWD Corolla comes with 200 hp stock, im not sure which 01 cavy you have, but my seventh gen corolla has as much hp as the 01' cavy base models, depends on which gen of corolla you saw, but if you had a big exhaust on ur cavy, i wouldn't care who you are, i'll try to race you somehow, unless ur scared? no offence, but if a slower car reved at me, like that corolla or eclipse did to you, i'd hit the throttle to show who's boss around here, one way or another....know what im saying...


lol a 180HP corolla should have pwned me? I should be right around 220HP-215HP at the crank if not more. And you know for some reason, maybe it was when he reved it and i didnt hear a supercharger, i realized it was a piece. Maybe also when i heard the eclipse behind me rev and didnt hear a turbo i know it was a piece. Ricers dont buy fast cars, they buy the low models of fast cars. See you would rev at slower cars cause you have a slow car and your a ricer. Ricers rev at eachother in the driver though of Mcdonalds to show off how cool they are. If i wanted to act like a dumb 16 year old with a big exhaust and aluminum wing i would have reved at them. I also ignore races of slower cars, why risk getting a ticket for a car that i know i will beat? Trust me im not scared of a 4 banger, theres only a handful of those that i fear, but i would still love to race.

So yes i get exactly what your saying, you prolly do that too. Rev at cars while in the drive though of McDonalds. The way your defending how these guys acted and admitting that you would do exactly what they were doing, shows that your pretty much a ricer. I know you call yourself ricer, but i always thought that was just a joke.

Automotive technology and Mustang or Camaro...two subjects that shoudln't be used in conjunction...
I see your point.

But....I also kinda disagree.
The LS1 is by far the most advanced pushrod motor yet. Pushrod.

The BMW makes that power with a completely different engine design. The arguement is void on that alone.
GM could advance how they do things. But pushrod motors keep costs down and perform just as well. There is technology used in the LS1. I mean, look at how efficiently it makes its power. I got over 30 MPG on the highway with a motor that made 350+ crank power.
Not saying the BMW's don't have at least as much technology. It is just used in different ways on different applications.

Bah. Torque. Horsepower. FI. N/A. Liter-age. Power-to-Weight. No difference.

How fast does the car move?

And how much does that engine cost? And how much torque does it make?

I think we both make valid points but honestly either of us will not change our views...

While its on my mind, heres a quick joke:

What is the difference between a 900hp Supra, a 1000hp Supra, and a 1200hp Supra?

They all run 12sec 1/4 miles :lol:
eeeeediot! (like ren from ren & stimpy)......what is the SAME between a 900hp Supra, a 1000hp, and a 1200hp Supra?

12 second quarter miles...... :uhoh:

Anyways, yeah back when i had my camaro i had every body and their brother revving at me....it was so annoying....and if you didn't look they would get pissed and yell at you and shit.......if someone revs at me that seems race worthy....i just hold a 50 dollar bill out the window to show i mean business.... :grinyes:

LS1-5.7L, 350HP
S54B32-3.2L, 333HP

Now, unless there is a secret Turbo that BMW isn't telling anyone about...

And with modern technology taht even the domestic types have...if you cant get 100hp per liter of a 6.0 V8, then I would be rather miffed...And 600HP NA is impressive. But it still looses to 900HP FId.

It is simple, they do it with highly tuned engines from the factory with high compression ratios, advanced timing, and cams instead of pushrods. Most American cars have lower compression, lower timing, and are still using pushrods. They are a lot less expensive and aren't as highly tuned from the factory.

Let's ask, how much power can you get from that BMW engine and how much can you get from an LS1?

I'm trying trying to say one is better than the other, just different.

lol a 180HP corolla should have pwned me? I should be right around 220HP-215HP at the crank if not more. And you know for some reason, maybe it was when he reved it and i didnt hear a supercharger, i realized it was a piece. Maybe also when i heard the eclipse behind me rev and didnt hear a turbo i know it was a piece. Ricers dont buy fast cars, they buy the low models of fast cars. See you would rev at slower cars cause you have a slow car and your a ricer. Ricers rev at eachother in the driver though of Mcdonalds to show off how cool they are. If i wanted to act like a dumb 16 year old with a big exhaust and aluminum wing i would have reved at them. I also ignore races of slower cars, why risk getting a ticket for a car that i know i will beat? Trust me im not scared of a 4 banger, theres only a handful of those that i fear, but i would still love to race.

So yes i get exactly what your saying, you prolly do that too. Rev at cars while in the drive though of McDonalds. The way your defending how these guys acted and admitting that you would do exactly what they were doing, shows that your pretty much a ricer. I know you call yourself ricer, but i always thought that was just a joke.

yes, a s/c 180 hp corolla would pwned you, s/c for the 4age adds about 40-ish hp, so 180 hp + 40 hp = 220 hp if i did the math correct, and dont forget the 400 lbs difference

and as for the revving, i dont know exactly how old you are, but i realize that older guys dont do that kinda stuff, it varies from generation to generation, ricers varies from community to community, he probably wanted to race you on the street thats why he asked for a challenge by revving at you in the first place, did they follow you too? now you know why

oh, and i would never back down from a race, even if the cars didn't have a s/c or a t/c, it dont matter, it dont matter how fast you think your car is, its all about having fun, you never know,a good driver could p0wNd a bad driver, not saying ur a bad driver or anything.....

again, it probably comes down to how old you are, i know i would never race a 50+ yr old dude an evo or sti or anything, not saying your old, but this is generally the style of young adults, generally 16 to 25-ish yr olds, unless you're like 40 and look like you're 20 (-.-)

if you dont want cars revving at you, then dont put a cannister as your exhaust, or a big exhaust, just leave the stock exhaust tip on or just take it off or something

and as for my name, well, i do eat rice and i am asian.......

And how much does that engine cost? And how much torque does it make?

I think we both make valid points but honestly either of us will not change our views...


actually they both have fairly flat torque curves... but the S54B32 probably has a higher compression and more advanced timing on top of all of their little tricks. but if we want to go power vs displacement Mazda's Rotaries clearly win.

In all reality Power is what matters for acceleration or speed, but you will get off the line quicker if you make this power lower, torque cna be multiplied throught gear ratio's, there for power is always what matters. because 300hp at 6000 RPM is going to be able to push a car to 100mph just as quickly as 300hp at 3500RPM. in a cars iwth equal weight and air resistance and gear ratio's set to be constantly varible to keep the engine operating at 300hp...but since we cant do this engines which have both a good ammount of power and this power can operate over the band which 5 or 6 gears can allow that is what we look for... japan has yet to acheive this, for the most part, in and RPM that you can reliably operate your engine at daily.

It is simple, they do it with highly tuned engines from the factory with high compression ratios, advanced timing, and cams instead of pushrods. Most American cars have lower compression, lower timing, and are still using pushrods. They are a lot less expensive and aren't as highly tuned from the factory.

Let's ask, how much power can you get from that BMW engine and how much can you get from an LS1?

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other, just different.
:iagree:

but the fact athat the americans are still using the same technology that was being used in the 60's and up untill jsut recently has failed at great OHC motors shows that the americans are lagging in the techonology curb, with displacement comes more power potnetial its as simple as that.
and higher compression and more advanced timing, that is just more power from a more thermally efficent engine, nothing more nothing less.

but the fact athat the americans are still using the same technology that was being used in the 60's and up untill jsut recently has failed at great OHC motors shows that the americans are lagging in the techonology curb

the pushrod motors still work quite well... and if they couldnt make succesful ohc motors... what does that make the 427 cammer motor in the gt40 in the 60's?

not ALL where unsucesful, but as a norm american's high powered engines where all v8 and all push rod where as all through the 90's the norm of Europe and Japan was OHC,

but it costs companies a lot of money to develope new engines. thats a big reason why they were slow to change, i think its completely money issues, not that they arent capable. if the pushrod motors work well then its not a really urgent issue. and some of them obviously did work quite well, the 2.3l in the SVO was a damn good motor, probably has more potential than my six shooter. ford as of 05 has switched completely over to ohc motors though. and as a norm, you are correct.

porkchop sandwich.

I see your point.

But....I also kinda disagree.
The LS1 is by far the most advanced pushrod motor yet. Pushrod.

The BMW makes that power with a completely different engine design. The arguement is void on that alone.
GM could advance how they do things. But pushrod motors keep costs down and perform just as well. There is technology used in the LS1. I mean, look at how efficiently it makes its power. I got over 30 MPG on the highway with a motor that made 350+ crank power.
Not saying the BMW's don't have at least as much technology. It is just used in different ways on different applications.

I think this is most compelling argument I've heard on this topic yet. It is like a comparing apples to oranges....personally, I like pineapple juice! :thumbsup:

well if we are going to talk about money issue's with deisning new motors than no one can any longer say BMW's/Mercedes/Porsche's/Ferrari's/Austin Martin's/Lamborghni's/Audi's High end/Even Acura NSX's (though IMO could use more hp to be considered a super car anymore) are over priced for the performance. it cost money to be on the cutting edge of technology, Eurpoe is there, america is(was) not. the LS1 is a great power plant, but its still just a pushrod motor, and i use "just" lightly since NASCAR still uses pushrod motors throwing around 700hp all day long for laps on end, a great mechanics sport where the mechanics dont get the credit they should.
These European companies design and create very sucessful motors every time they have a modle change, chevy was still using the same basic 350 (5.7l) small block in a poop load of cars. Cadilac had, untill the later years, created a GREAT engine that was in the shop more than on the road, ive talk to so many mechanics who say the northstar was a good design poorly exicuted.

by pineapple juice do you mean Turbo Charged and 2.5l or less or do you mean electronically controlled magnetically operated valves that can open and close 10,000 times per minute without any valve float?