Wanting something faster.....?
Chiquae07
08-18-2005, 09:46 PM
I am tired of my 2001 Nissan Sentra SE. It has been good to me and is in good shape, but i originally bought it because it was safe and good to start on for a starter car. What is the Fastest car i can get for 8k. I dont want a ford/chevy though. something a 4 cylinder and manual. What do you guys say there is out there? I don't want to have to do a lot of Mods, Just minor to run fast. Can you guys help me out?
nissanstreetz
08-18-2005, 10:47 PM
don't give up on that sentra man you have probably the best engine made in a long time. Some people on nissanforums.com consider it the best engine ever made. I would keep it and tune it man put some nitrous in it and THAN you'll have a fast car. All I'm saying is put 800 into your car and it iwll be faster than any car you can get for 8,000.... hotshot headers, hotshot CAI, nitrous, NGK spark plugs and spark plug wires, right there you got a fast ass car right there your engine could handle a 75 shot easily thats my answer lol
slideways...
08-19-2005, 12:01 AM
no dont get nitrous
waste of time and money
go buy a turbo kit, 3 inch exhaust, stage 2 clutch and some good tires and boost 8-10psi and you will outrun most cars on the road for around 3k(and be waaaay faster all the time than a nitroused car)
waste of time and money
go buy a turbo kit, 3 inch exhaust, stage 2 clutch and some good tires and boost 8-10psi and you will outrun most cars on the road for around 3k(and be waaaay faster all the time than a nitroused car)
ProZach626
08-19-2005, 12:12 AM
They are right. You're not going to get a faster tuner car for 8k. Maybe you will, but it will more than likely be a POS with high mileage. A 2001 is a pretty new car and it's a Nissan to boot.(Disreguard my lemon spec v). Not to trash other cars, but Nissan has a lot more class than anything you can get for 8k. Trust me, you have a nice car, just slap some cool stuff on it and you will start to get a little less time on the track and with some easy cosmetics you will get a lot more attention. I suggest CIA, Hotshot Header, and pipes. Put that with some window tint, a small system, and some new racing rims and you will have a hell of a nice car. Might take a year or so, but I promise you won't regret it. When I drive my Spec V, I have three things that most everyday tuners don't have. Class, respect, and one great feeling drive. Stick with the sentra, dude. We've all said it and we aren't closed minded. With 8k you might as well buy a cavalier or a neon... *pukes*
fugiot
08-19-2005, 12:30 AM
I'd say, get a 95-97 200SX SE-R, a 91-96 G20, or a 99 Sentra SE-L.
slideways...
08-19-2005, 12:39 AM
you have one of the best and most reliable 4cylinder engines ever made, but if you really want a change of look, id say for 8k you could get a
FC rx7 turbo(205hp 200ftlb but they are not reliable and are a pain in the ass to work on)
92-95 prelude vtec(a very good car, and decent speed if you can find a vtec model 200hp 160ftlb, nonvtec has 155hp 145ftlb),
integra GS-R (one of the best handling FWD cars ever, but could be faster 170hp 125ftlb)
MKIII supra turbo(big, heavy, fast, not the same class of car really, inline 6 cyl turbo 250hp? 230ftlb?),
s14 240sx (nice, rwd, light, good handling, more power than your sentra, but not blazing fast, 155hp, 160ftlb)
z32 300zx N/A (same category as supra...big fast and heavy, 225hp 210ftlb)
mitsubishi eclipse GSX or GST (fast, nice looking, very tunable, gsx has AWD, first generation models had better designed engines, and were more reliable. 210hp, 200ftlb)
but after listing all these cars id still say keep your sentra and drop half of the 8k into it and it will SPANK any of these cars plus more
with that 8k in it you will be able to walk vettes and shit
FC rx7 turbo(205hp 200ftlb but they are not reliable and are a pain in the ass to work on)
92-95 prelude vtec(a very good car, and decent speed if you can find a vtec model 200hp 160ftlb, nonvtec has 155hp 145ftlb),
integra GS-R (one of the best handling FWD cars ever, but could be faster 170hp 125ftlb)
MKIII supra turbo(big, heavy, fast, not the same class of car really, inline 6 cyl turbo 250hp? 230ftlb?),
s14 240sx (nice, rwd, light, good handling, more power than your sentra, but not blazing fast, 155hp, 160ftlb)
z32 300zx N/A (same category as supra...big fast and heavy, 225hp 210ftlb)
mitsubishi eclipse GSX or GST (fast, nice looking, very tunable, gsx has AWD, first generation models had better designed engines, and were more reliable. 210hp, 200ftlb)
but after listing all these cars id still say keep your sentra and drop half of the 8k into it and it will SPANK any of these cars plus more
with that 8k in it you will be able to walk vettes and shit
nissanstreetz
08-19-2005, 03:33 PM
lol I dont want to turn this into a nitrous vs turbo forum but look at all the crap your talking about buying. go buy a turbo kit, 3 inch exhaust, stage 2 clutch and some good tires and boost 8-10psi. Thats alot of money compared to my 800 dollar invstment lol. I mean yeah if he has about 3,500 dollars laying around thats his best bet but thats not very practical lol. Plus nitrous is betetr for your car than a turbo because a turbo is constantly on it ruins your engine way faster. Nitrous if you put a safe shot and only used it once a week compared to a turbo that comes on all the time. Thats just my opinion though :)
nissanstreetz
08-19-2005, 03:37 PM
all I'm saying is everyone hates on nitrous but if you invested the 3,000 your talking about into a nitrous set up. Which for 3,000 you could make that engine take a good 150 shot pretty easily so thats 150 horespower and 150 torque thats more than any turbo is going to offer, sorry I had to throw that one in lol
slideways...
08-19-2005, 07:51 PM
sorry but if he has 8k to blow on a diff car i sort of assume(if thats ok) that he has 3k to blow on mods instead...
ProZach626
08-19-2005, 08:11 PM
oooooooooooooooooor Nitrous annnnnnnnd turbo! :)
fugiot
08-19-2005, 10:38 PM
oooooooooooooooooor Nitrous annnnnnnnd turbo! :)
Yeeeyah! That sounds like a winning formula to me!!
Yeeeyah! That sounds like a winning formula to me!!
slideways...
08-20-2005, 01:52 AM
Oooo Oooo Oooo And A Jdmtyte Guage Cluster!
nissanstreetz
08-20-2005, 08:50 PM
good point yeah your right I was ASSUMING that he was going to just do monthly payments on a car and doesn't have the money all at once. You know what they say when you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U and ME lol
Chiquae07
08-21-2005, 11:13 AM
I know what you guys are saying about go turbo/nitrous and things, but the main reason i want to sell it is because its in AUTO. When i go from 3500rpm in N to 1, the car gets little power right off the line abd stalls a litte because of the TCS i think, but if im rolling not even 5mph, then my launch has the pick-up that i want from it. I have 8k to spend on this car/another one. Going turbo is too much work to maintain. The car is a daily driver and will see snow/sleet/rain pretty much anything up here in Wisconsin. If there is a way to have my launch work the way when im rolling, let me know. I hate getting pulled on for the 1st 10 mph then just push ahead. Is there a LSD on the 2001 SE, or is it TCS? If its TCS, is there a way to turn it off?
Chiquae07
08-21-2005, 11:17 AM
O and I have a 1990 Celica All-Trac with some upgrades in my area for about 6500. it only has about 65000 miles on it. I really haven't heard if they are any good or what. I think they're awd and have like 200 hp o somethin.
nissanstreetz
08-21-2005, 09:22 PM
wait though I hate when people hate on automatics yeah they are slow off the line but thats why you get nitrous it fixes that problem. Look an automatic with nitrous is no longer slow and automatics are the preffered application for nitrous in case you didn't know I dunno if you did ( not trying to be an ass lol ). An automatic will also give you more consistant times if you can beat a car once your gonna beat him every time. Nitrous and turbo's are preffered applications for automatics too I forgot the whole reasoning behind it but I read an article on it. Automatics are faster too because they don't peel out nearly as much as sticks do. Its a matter of taste I like being able to have an auto and relax and still be able to race you know. Especially if you live in a busy town sticks are definately not fun in busy traffic
nismo_pilot
08-21-2005, 09:34 PM
lol wow, ok automatics are slow, but they are consistent, drivetrain loss of power is way greater on an auto than a manual, swap your tranny out for a built 5 speed= we'll say 4 grand for a really good tranny with limited slip and hardend gears and all that shit, then you have 4 for a turbo and a few other things assuming you can turbo it cheap, then you have a sr20DET with 5 speed and youre now a god, dont give up on the sr20, its abullet proof engine, it take s alittle time sometimes
nissanstreetz
08-21-2005, 09:51 PM
I dunno man some people can't drive their stick so it isn't neccesarily faster it depends on the driver too. My friend has an 86 corvette and he beat a 02 cobra that was a stick and his corvette was an automatic. He killed him off the line because he didn't peel out granted the cobra caught up in 2nd gear but he still lost. On paper his cobra should have kicked my friends corvette's ass but it just depends on the driver most stick drivers don't get the full potential out of their car only proffesional drivers really get their true 0-60 or 1/4 mile times in a stick
nissanstreetz
08-21-2005, 09:54 PM
but by the way there is a reason why everybody at the track is now converting their sticks to automatics because you can run the same time's everytime. Its all about prefference.
Chiquae07
08-21-2005, 10:13 PM
i like the auto for numerous reasons, but i just dont like the part where off the line is a prob. It would be great to run mid-low 14's all motor, its not a easy car to tune for me because all the parts for it are hard for me to find. I believe I have the high port sr20de because i have the same engine as luciventsr20 o idk how to spell it (sorry bout speeling). I dont think hot shot headers are a go because idk if i'd pass emissions since they take off the cat on the header??? im not sure. If there is a way to remove the TCS/LSD o whatever there is making it slow from dead stop then let me know. i like the fact that you guys are giving me options. I do have like 5-6k just sitting around to mess with. Mods aren't a prob, its just a question of what i should do. help me out here, but i still need to pass emissions no matter what i do. o and btw, can i if i turbo turn off the turbo boost all together with a electronic boost controller for emissions?
nissanstreetz
08-21-2005, 10:26 PM
go to sentra.net there's plenty of info for you there more than you'll ever want to know. All I know is if you have an auto and you want it to be fast go with nitrous... get a complete nitrous kit off ebay purge and everything for around 500 bottle heater, remote bottle opener, upgrade your ECU go to www.JWT.com they make ECU's for sentras and get some hotshot headers. your car can take a 75 shot easily with those mods your car will be just as fast as you probably want it for about 1,500 oh yeah and of course a 2 1/4 inch custom exhaust. So go to sentra.net, than www.JWT.com and www.hotshot.com and just read up man don't be scared to just jump in and learn
nismo_pilot
08-22-2005, 05:09 PM
jwt might be able to remove your traction control system if they can tune your ecu, i know they cant do anything with spec v ecu's yet but they may be able to get your SE to brighten up some. if you are even considering a turbo do not buy a header, the turbo manifold replaces it and its a waste of money. if you have around 5-6 you may want to look into engine swapage, you should be able to get a sr20DET for under that and then either use your auto you have now or buy a 5 speed, some swaps come with a tranny. the DET has all forged internals and even if you run stock boost for a while it still has HUGE potential since you dont need to touch the internals at all, just run up your boost and then work on suspension, if you want something fast id swap it for a DET, it would cost about as much as turboing yours
Mykozo
08-24-2005, 11:37 AM
I know what you guys are saying about go turbo/nitrous and things, but the main reason i want to sell it is because its in AUTO. When i go from 3500rpm in N to 1, the car gets little power right off the line abd stalls a litte because of the TCS i think, but if im rolling not even 5mph, then my launch has the pick-up that i want from it. I have 8k to spend on this car/another one. Going turbo is too much work to maintain. The car is a daily driver and will see snow/sleet/rain pretty much anything up here in Wisconsin. If there is a way to have my launch work the way when im rolling, let me know. I hate getting pulled on for the 1st 10 mph then just push ahead. Is there a LSD on the 2001 SE, or is it TCS? If its TCS, is there a way to turn it off?
It's an auto? Ditch it and start from scratch. And turbo's are actually quite reliable if you don't run too much boost. The problem most people have with turbo's is they don't lower the compression ratio on their motor first. People blow up motors that way. 6-8 lbs will give you decent horsepower while still keeping your reliability in check. Go any bigger than that, and you'll probably want to bump your compression down a point. That usually means custom pistons, or thicker headgasket, although the thicker headgasket route is much less effective.
It's an auto? Ditch it and start from scratch. And turbo's are actually quite reliable if you don't run too much boost. The problem most people have with turbo's is they don't lower the compression ratio on their motor first. People blow up motors that way. 6-8 lbs will give you decent horsepower while still keeping your reliability in check. Go any bigger than that, and you'll probably want to bump your compression down a point. That usually means custom pistons, or thicker headgasket, although the thicker headgasket route is much less effective.
cficare68
08-26-2005, 11:36 AM
mitsubishi eclipse GSX or GST (fast, nice looking, very tunable, gsx has AWD, first generation models had better designed engines, and were more reliable. 210hp, 200ftlb)
but after listing all these cars id still say keep your sentra and drop half of the 8k into it and it will SPANK any of these cars plus more
Find you a 1g gsx, gst, talon tsi, tsi awd, or a laser awd, or a 2g gst, gsx, tsi, or tsi awd and drop 4k into one of those motors and you'll run 9's in a 1/4 mile. The 4g63t is one of the top 5 all time 4 cyclinder motors ever made. Not to mention that it is actually made to take boost unlike the SER V-Spec motor. Sorry but you if you take one of the Eclipses I listed drop 4k into its motor it will walk all over his sentra with 4k in it.
but after listing all these cars id still say keep your sentra and drop half of the 8k into it and it will SPANK any of these cars plus more
Find you a 1g gsx, gst, talon tsi, tsi awd, or a laser awd, or a 2g gst, gsx, tsi, or tsi awd and drop 4k into one of those motors and you'll run 9's in a 1/4 mile. The 4g63t is one of the top 5 all time 4 cyclinder motors ever made. Not to mention that it is actually made to take boost unlike the SER V-Spec motor. Sorry but you if you take one of the Eclipses I listed drop 4k into its motor it will walk all over his sentra with 4k in it.
nismo_pilot
08-26-2005, 07:01 PM
ROFL!!!!! 4g's into an eclipse does not a 9 second quarter make.......wow youre done posting here, i shouldnt even have to post the top 100 reasons your theory is incorrect
nismo_pilot
08-26-2005, 07:06 PM
also he is posting about his sentra SE, which carries the sr20 engine which was BUILT FOR BOOST, the spec carries the qr25 motor which was built not for boost. the sr20 is also in the top 5 4 cylinder engines ever built, be careful before posting next time, a sr20det will spank any eclipse engine when modded equally, i raced a talon tsi boosting 25 psi at the drag strip and he ran a 8.5 in the 1/8 mile which translates roughly into about a 12 second pass at the 1/4 at the very best, no 9 second car there buddy, he told me he had invested about 8k rebuilding the engine and hopping it up some, there not bad cars but you arent running anything sub 11 in them
slideways...
08-26-2005, 11:42 PM
dont hate on either 4g or sr
he already has the sentra so the 4k in the DSM will be in ADDITION to the cost to get the DSM in the first place, therefore spending more $$$
but he is right...4k in the right places will make a dsm faster than a sr20 sentra with 4k in it
and 4k in a supra will walk any dsm...
if, if, if...
were talking within a certain budget here so he would have more to spend on the sentra than if he were to get a dsm.
oh and the sr20 is a much more reliable engine than the 2nd gen eclipse 4g63. say all you want about it able to handle more boost but 75% of them experience crankwalk and there is no way to tell if each engine will suffer from this since it is built into the motor and failure is pretty random(if you want a more detailed explanation i can expand upon this in a specific thread, but it might get moved to dsm forums)
91-93 eclipses dont have this problem and can handle more boost and easier power than sr20s though.
side note:i wasnt aware that the plymouth laser was available with AWD? though i am experienced only in eagle talon/mitsu eclipse though so it may slipped my knowledge
he already has the sentra so the 4k in the DSM will be in ADDITION to the cost to get the DSM in the first place, therefore spending more $$$
but he is right...4k in the right places will make a dsm faster than a sr20 sentra with 4k in it
and 4k in a supra will walk any dsm...
if, if, if...
were talking within a certain budget here so he would have more to spend on the sentra than if he were to get a dsm.
oh and the sr20 is a much more reliable engine than the 2nd gen eclipse 4g63. say all you want about it able to handle more boost but 75% of them experience crankwalk and there is no way to tell if each engine will suffer from this since it is built into the motor and failure is pretty random(if you want a more detailed explanation i can expand upon this in a specific thread, but it might get moved to dsm forums)
91-93 eclipses dont have this problem and can handle more boost and easier power than sr20s though.
side note:i wasnt aware that the plymouth laser was available with AWD? though i am experienced only in eagle talon/mitsu eclipse though so it may slipped my knowledge
cficare68
08-27-2005, 03:37 AM
Don't get me wrong guys I am buy no means try to bad mouth the sentra. They are great cars. Hell 4k in a Sentra compared to 4k into my 3g Eclipse and the Sentra will flat out kill my car. And yeah the laser did come in turbo and turbo awd. Of course they dropped the entire line when the 2g came out. There is a guy that post in the Eclipse/Talon/Laser forum that actually owned one and I saw one for sell about three weeks ago here in boise. As far as reliability I could definetly see it being a more reliable than a 7 bolt 4g63, but I'd say that they are a pretty close between a 6 bolt 4g63 and the SR20. Both of them are great motors though. Just depends on what you prefer.
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