H22 or strength F22 internals???

I have a 97 Accord EX (F22B1) and I want to put a turbo in my car. I am planning to run about 8 lbs. of boost. I've been researching about what I should do concerning the engine. I am thinking about strengthening the internal in my stock motor by changing the rods and piston and I am also thinking about getting an H22. Which one of these choices would be the best? Which would be cheaper?

Would I need to do anything to the H22 before I boosted it?

Because you have a F22 I am going to advise doing a H22 Swap. The F22 will need a custom Turbo Setup which can get risky. Plus the H22 motor dropped in will prob do about the same as your F22 Turbo w/ 8lbs. Go with the H22 and then later you can think about doing a turbo.

Originally posted by Frostbyte
Because you have a F22 I am going to advise doing a H22 Swap. The F22 will need a custom Turbo Setup which can get risky. Plus the H22 motor dropped in will prob do about the same as your F22 Turbo w/ 8lbs. Go with the H22 and then later you can think about doing a turbo.


they make turbo systems for F22 motors.

there's no available block guard that i know of for the F22... so you'll have to spend money on ductile iron sleeves to really beef it up for boost.

the pistons and rods do need beefing up, but it's the cylinder walls that will cause the majority of the problem as they will vibrate and shift under high loads.

F22 = 115HP
H22 = 200HP

Even if you turbo the H22 you'll probably be making just what the H22 will be giving you. I'd say go for the H22 swap and then you could turbo that. That is what I'm doing right now. I have a 96 Accord and I'm putting in a H22A and a turbo. I'm fully building the engnine though and will be able to run at 23lbs. Daily driving will barly be touching the engine at a measly 10PSI :)

But yeah, I'd say go for the swap.

Originally posted by drift



they make turbo systems for F22 motors.

there's no available block guard that i know of for the F22... so you'll have to spend money on ductile iron sleeves to really beef it up for boost.

the pistons and rods do need beefing up, but it's the cylinder walls that will cause the majority of the problem as they will vibrate and shift under high loads.

So with the information that you have given me, what would I have to do to prepare my F22 for turbocharging?

Originally posted by super 96 accord
F22 = 115HP
H22 = 200HP

Even if you turbo the H22 you'll probably be making just what the H22 will be giving you. I'd say go for the H22 swap and then you could turbo that. That is what I'm doing right now. I have a 96 Accord and I'm putting in a H22A and a turbo. I'm fully building the engnine though and will be able to run at 23lbs. Daily driving will barly be touching the engine at a measly 10PSI :)

But yeah, I'd say go for the swap.

I get your point but for clarification, my F22B1 is 145 HP.
Now, where did you get your motor? How much is the swap going to cost you?

JDM H22A = $2800
Install = $1250




And then all the other goodies = $way too damn much!!!!!!!

AEM Ems
AEM Cam gears
AEM fuel rail
Crower
springs/retainers
rods
valves
JE Pistons
HKS blowoff
HKS wastegate
HKS flange
Quaife ATB
Darton Sleeves
Turbonetics Turbo
Apex-i I/C
manifold
Ignition
Injectors

are you getting a JDM H22A Type S that pumps 220HP flywheel for $2800 and installation for $1250?

It's not a type S. Those go for over $3K. But yes, it's a JDM H22 that I got for 2850 and install for 1250. I actually just sold the JDM and bought a US H22. That way I can take my car to the ref board and get it certified. The only real difference between JDM and US is the compression and the gearing. I'm lowering the compression for the turbo anyways, so that's pointless. And I'm switching the tranny from the JDM onto the US so I still have those.

thats cool man
i plan on getting a 97+ JDM or USDM H22 to drop into a 98 accord coupe
so im just getting ideas since i still have a year or two until i drive legally and have a license:silly2:

has anyone come accross any h22 ==> Integra information?
the more specifics i can find the better!

Sup.. new guy up in here. Anyways, a buddy of mine does have a h22 turbo setup in his 5th gen accord. Pretty much, the car just make people look twice.
http://www.accordclub.com/start2.jpg

http://www.accordclub.com/motor/129-2944_IMG.JPG

good luck on ur quest.. its gonna take a lot of patience to get things going 100% right.

To run turbo on either the H22 or the F22 you should reinforce the block, and upgrade the internals. Its better safe than sorry.. The F22 is perfect for boost as it has a 8.8:1 CR and you could push 15-20lbs of boost, as far as the H22 it has 10.6:1 CR in most cases, and isnt really that good for boosting, you can get 6-8 lbs of boost. If you really want to run a turbo set-up, I suggest the F22 as it would be cheaper than buying the H22 and then a turbo.. I personnaly have an H22 in my 97 Accord and love it. I don't plan on boosting as I prefer to keep it in the street class. I'm building it to be all motor, nothing else. But thats me and my opinion. Do what you want especially if you have the money to go all out.

The do make a turbo for the H22 at turbodiscounters.com. They make turbos for both the F22b and the H22 pricing from $1799 to $2820 for a floating core and $2325 to $3345 for the dual ball bearing.

Originally posted by wagsaccordsir
To run turbo on either the H22 or the F22 you should reinforce the block, and upgrade the internals. Its better safe than sorry.. The F22 is perfect for boost as it has a 8.8:1 CR and you could push 15-20lbs of boost, as far


i really hope you mean 15-20 psi with serious reinforcing

Originally posted by dominate9


I get your point but for clarification, my F22B1 is 145 HP.
Now, where did you get your motor? How much is the swap going to cost you?


how the heck do you have 145hp with only 8.8:1 CR? and if i'm not mistaken you don't even have vtec

Originally posted by Neutrino



how the heck do you have 145hp with only 8.8:1 CR? and if i'm not mistaken you don't even have vtec

The F22B1 found in the Accord EX does have Vtec, it is a 2.2 liter 145HP motor with Vtec. The 130 HP 2.2 liter F22B2 found in the DX and LX does not have Vtec. And how you get 145 HP out of the F22B1 on just an 8.8:1 CR is 2.2 liters (2156.31cc) of displacement combined with Vtec.

"Honda Builders Handbook Vol.1, By Joe Pettitt, pgs 110-111, 126-127"

I notice it's been awhile since the start of this thread. Any update on the engine swap or turbo?

Also, I heard the F22 has a lot of potential for building it up. I'm very close to turbocharging mine...I just need a few small parts and I'm done. I'll safely run 6.5 psi...and possibly raise it somewhere between 8 and 13 psi once I replace the head gasket. H22 would really be fun, but I have an automatic transmission, and most places that swap engines around me wouldnt do a tranny swap. Plus...I'd like to have a somewhat original Accord with internals instead of swap. There are companies that make new pistons, cams, etc for it.

You think there are upgrades to the F22, you crazy. The 4cyl have parts out the ass but if you have a V6 there is nothing I know about, if you would like to prove me wrong go ahead, but there are no cam gears or pulleys you can get for the V6, a intake is hard enough to find

The F22 isn't a V6 engine.

The Accord or the Prelude version. The true F22 is from the Prelude Si, is this what you speak of

I didn't know that. I thought F22 was Accord only. I always thought the "22" in that title stood for 2.2 liters. So how is a V6 F22 2.2 liters? Anyway, I'm talking about the Accord. The F22B1, the one in my car, does have internal upgrades availabe. Plus, people can do custom jobs if that's what they really want.

I also have a F22B1 in my '96 Accord, I would really like to know what parts you have found. I have only found maybe two intakes and a turbo, would really like to know what else you have found and where...
But as far as I know the 22 does stand for 2.2L so if your Accord is an EX, its a V6.

Here is the link I often use to figure out engine codes, I find most sites have there own opinion on codes anyone know why?

http://www.geocities.com/honda_club_egypt/engines.htm

I also have a F22B1 in my '96 Accord, I would really like to know what parts you have found. I have only found maybe two intakes and a turbo, would really like to know what else you have found and where...
But as far as I know the 22 does stand for 2.2L so if your Accord is an EX, its a V6.

Here is the link I often use to figure out engine codes, I find most sites have there own opinion on codes anyone know why?

http://www.geocities.com/honda_club_egypt/engines.htm

Okay dude the F22B1 is a 4 cyl engine, not a V6 accord. The EX accord with the F22B1 is different from the V6 accord. Two differnt cars, like the DX and EX have different enignes. Same goes there, The V6 accord is just that. The F22B1 is a 2.2 liter 4 cyl motor, sohc.

Also here's how honda engine codes work, F= engine series. F series engine, B series engine, D series, H series, K series, etc. 22= displacement in liters. 22= 2.2 liters, 18=1.8 liters, 20 = 2.0 liters, etc. B reflects the version of the motor. i.e, F22A, F22B, B18A, B18B, B18C, etc. So, an F22B1 is a F-series, 2.2 liter motor. It's the b, not the a, and the 1, only the F22B1 is vtec, not b2, not the Aso there you go. Thats how to read the enigne code.

Also, comptech makes a supercharger and some other upgrades for the V6 accord, look it up. If you want, I can try to find some info once I get home.

Thank you very much for the pointers, any sites you can send me would be appreciated. Do you know the engine code for the Accord EX with a V6?

One more question F22B1

Does the number indicate Vtech or non?

Thank you very much for the pointers, any sites you can send me would be appreciated. Do you know the engine code for the Accord EX with a V6?

One more question F22B1

Does the number indicate Vtech or non?

In the case of the F22B engines, yes....1=vtec, 2 =non. But with others, not really. B18B1 is non, as is the B18A1...But the B18C1 and B18C5 are vtec. The number really is there to differenciate the various B18C, F22B, etc. motors. The B2 is a differnt F series 2.2 liter B(second f-series 22's made, after f22a) varient than the B1. Here's an example. B16A1 was produced first, B16A2 second, B16A3, the latest B16A produced. The A2/3 have 10 more HP than the A1 (jdm). B16A3, third varient of the B16A motor produced. B1/B2, first and 2 varients of the F22B motor (though they went into production the same year.) I will find out the V6 engine code tomarrow when I get home and post it. I have that info, plus I should have some of the sites, etc there too, so I'llpost that as well.

You are a wealth of knowledge, how did you ever figure this all out? Thanks again looking foward to the sites, on the Comptech site it lists a V6 section but list the years from 98+ mines a '96, would this make it a different engine?

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Thanks you can e-mail me instead if you want

You are a wealth of knowledge, how did you ever figure this all out? Thanks again looking foward to the sites, on the Comptech site it lists a V6 section but list the years from 98+ mines a '96, would this make it a different engine?

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Thanks you can e-mail me instead if you want

Okay, the 95-97 Accord came with a V6 engine. The V6 option came with as a Automatic Tranny Sedan, in LX and EX models. The V6 engine was a C27A4 engine. It is a 2.7 Liter DOHC Engine, though I belive it lost the Vtec element. The regular EX and LX Accords still came with the F22B1 and F22B2. Only the V6 Accord had the C27A4 in the LX and EX. THe C27A4 is 170 flywheel horsepower, and the V-6 model accord was re-designed with a longer nose and different grill to accomidate the bigger motor. The C27A4 is also found in the 86-90 Acura Legand. The 98+ Accord V6 came with a J30A1, a SOHC 3.0 liter Vtec engine. It has 200 flywheel HP. This is also the motor in the 96-00 Acura 3.0CL. This is the V6 Accord motor that Comptech makes parts for. For parts on the C27A4, I am not sure where to start, I know of more parts for the J30A1. I have seen stuff from time to time, and have the info somewhere I am sure, but it's hard to find. Maybe the fact it came in the 86-90 Legand will help you find stuff. As for where I learned all this? Over time I guess, reading magazines cover to cover, fine print, side bars, etc...reading books on cars, turbos, etc...opening the hoods and looking...trail and error, and remembeing whatever I learn. You could custom build a kit for it, get the turbo, have a shop that can do custom turbo work (I know of one here) make you a turbo manifold and apadotr plate, run the piping, put a BOV and wastegate on, get a FMU. I am not sure how to get injecotors, I know of ppl modifiying o bigger injectors from another car will fit. This would be a custom kit, but should be fine at 8psi on the motor, and would give you a turbo, somewhat uncommen for that motor. If you are interested, Honda Tuning from April 2003 has an article where a guy uses leftover Mitsubshi parts to put a turbo on a D15 crx motor. That of course required custom work, though not for the manifold, he found one to jury rig, but still. The latest issue completes the story. Anyways, in case I can't find the info for you I am looking for, thats an idea for you, build a true custom turbo that way. I met a guy around here a few months ago that did just that, to his 86 or 88 legand, so that would be basically the same engine as the 95-97 Accord V6.

You will make one pass with a stock H22 boosted anything over 10psi!!! Plane and simple...catastrophic events will occur under your hood. Why go for a H22....go B18....GSR motor?? Boost that one...NOT the H22. Well....you can boost the H22 but not as much boost as what your talking about without changing sleeves.


Good luck

I believe www.gude.com has a few things for the F22 Accord that other places might not provide. I did see another place that had larger pistons, but the page didn't look too professional. Most likely a custom job. If I find it again, I will post it here.

I didn't find that specific site, but here's something better:

www.importperformanceparts.net

cougar - a gsr motor is a b18c1 and would take almost as much prepping for a turbo as an h22 since its a 10:1 CR. and the guy is talking about an accord. it'd be a hell of a time swapping a b series motor into an accord engine bay...im not even sure its possible. i know you can do vice versa, it just gets a little cramped. personally i think the b18b1 (integra LS) is great for boost. beefy little sucker. but since this is an accord we're talking about i'd say stick with the SOHC 8:1 f22b1 and just reinforce the internals. probably cost a little over $1000 for that? no matter how you look at it its gonna be expensive. otherwise you could just run under 8 lbs of boost on it stock. maybe only 6.

I've heard from several people that the Accord's compression is good enough for 8 psi on its own, but when I finally get the turbo installed I'm only going to use what my wastegate is set at...and that's around 6.5 psi. Not going to push it much further without other upgrades, like fuel and a new headgasket.

I've heard from several people that the Accord's compression is good enough for 8 psi on its own, but when I finally get the turbo installed I'm only going to use what my wastegate is set at...and that's around 6.5 psi. Not going to push it much further without other upgrades, like fuel and a new headgasket.

You'll definatly be fine playing it safe and running 6.5psi. The Drag turbo kits turbo kit for the F22 & F23 run accord engines runs @7psi, and the turbonetics kit runs @8psi.

www.dragturbokits.com
www.turboneticsinc.com

You will make one pass with a stock H22 boosted anything over 10psi!!! Plane and simple...catastrophic events will occur under your hood. Why go for a H22....go B18....GSR motor?? Boost that one...NOT the H22. Well....you can boost the H22 but not as much boost as what your talking about without changing sleeves.


Good luck


hrrmmm... i disagree a little bit on that one dude... what is a H22.. its just about the same except everything is a tad bigger. and yes if you put over 10 lbs of boost on a GSR motor it will also turn into a pile of motormush... (on stock internals) so in conclusion with ANY motor with higher compression it is good practice to upgrade the internals and lower the compression. - now for my other point - if you install a GSR motor over an H22 then prepared to get laughed at.
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hrrmmm... i disagree a little bit on that one dude... what is a H22.. its just about the same except everything is a tad bigger. and yes if you put over 10 lbs of boost on a GSR motor it will also turn into a pile of motormush... (on stock internals) so in conclusion with ANY motor with higher compression it is good practice to upgrade the internals and lower the compression. - now for my other point - if you install a GSR motor over an H22 then prepared to get laughed at.
:disappoin

I agree with you. The B-series in a not the motor to put into an Accord. I just want to know, if he is even suggesting a B18 motor over an H22, even if we are talking about a Civic where it would make more sense, why suggest the B18C1 GSR motor? As you stated, the high comperssion GSR motor will have the same problems with the stock internals as the H22 would when it comes to Forced Inducton. The LS B18B1 would be the B-series motor to swap in if it were a civic, where B-series swaps make sense. The LS has a low compression ratio and can handle 12 psi on stock internals. But to suggest a B-series over H22 in an Accord? What a bad idea, much heavier chassis + .4 liters less displacement + Mega loss of low end torque = bad Idea.

And that is why it's probably just better to stick with the F22. Internal mods will be cheaper than swapping an engine. More power gains as well. Plus that low 8:8:1 compression is quite different than the H22. I'd rather just boost the F22.

I have know idea about the F22. I've heard from other forums the H22 has weaker components than the GSR motor. Like ringlets and sleeves. Just an observation.....

I have know idea about the F22. I've heard from other forums the H22 has weaker components than the GSR motor. Like ringlets and sleeves. Just an observation.....

The H22 also has thin cylinder walls. It can be a good motor if built up, Jason Whitfield has a 725HP Turbo'd H22, but it's fully built in every sense of the word. A lot of people want to thrown a turbo onto stock internals, and with an H22 that's just not the greatest idea, thin cylinder walls, plus the other componets don't hold up as well under boost too. If you or someone goes H22, get a 96+ one, they are better suited to be built up and turbo'd than the pre-96 ones. I know the reason but can't think of it, I'll post it when I find it.

Hey, what about the h23a from a 4th gen prelude si ? i hear it is better to turbo than the h22a, i believe the 2.3 is at 165hp while the h22a is at 200hp, but the turbo would make the vtech engagement obsolete correct ? I am guessing the 2.3 must have a better cr and that is why I hear it is better to turbo, I actually am looking into purchasing an engine for my 93 prelude Si to turbo, the stock engine is dead, any suggestions please let me kno, and also if anyone has the specs on the compression for the 2.3 versus the 2.2 please let me kno that as well, thanks.

if you want to run 8psi or under just buy a kit for whatever engine you got. no need to get stupid and spend lots of dough. 3-4k$ will put you with a nice solid kit.

as for the Key differences between the h22 and f22....
the h22 can rev higher and has higher compression compared to the f22b1 in stock form.
h22 = 10:1 redline (round 6.8k)
f22b1 = 8.8:1 redline round 6.3k

f22b1 has iron cylinder walls and you can run forged pistons.

h22 has alloy cylinder walls and must be sleeved if you want to run forged pistons.

f22b1 does have the lower compression but if you're wanting to run high amounts of boost (over 10psi) you're looking at a piston/rod upgrade. easy fixes (Eagle rods, pick your piston company and call 'em up for custom 85mm bore 95mm -- or is it 97mm-- stroke high boost engine)

THE ONLY major difference to overcome between the h22 and the f22b1 is finding a turbo exhaust manifold and piping.... but if you buy a kit, it should come with all these pieces.

here's a list of websites that should help connect you with the accord peeps should you want to sink major time/money into your car and get silly and run 15psi ~ 30psi.

www.accordinglydone.com
www.honda-tech.com
www.accordtuner.com
www.accordracing.com

and of course, A-F


just boost the f22b1
GL and i hope that helps.

Okay, this thread was 9 months old when you brought it back to life. A little old, try and check thread dates before you post, and try and not bring dead threads back to life when you can.

For the love of god (or whomever) let this thread die, once and for all. This was originally posted 6 freaking years ago!!! Read the thread dates before posting. I'll give you a hint, the post date is listed above the poster's name.