timing belt probs
iwannablkmax
05-02-2002, 07:35 PM
any body here every replaced a broken timing belt. ive already started taking basically the entire engine apart to get the timing belt cover off. i have a 91 civic LX 4dr with the 1.5 well right now im stuck i cant break loss the nut that holds the lower driveshaft pulley (the one thats connect to the crank that turns the pistons) anyway any suggestions on how to get this off? is it a left hand thread? any help would be great guys! thanks
threethirteen
05-02-2002, 10:25 PM
is the belt broke? or just old? did it break while the car was running? if it did..then dont fix it. at least not yourself. ger a pro to do it. your engine might be a little fucked up..or a lot.
90civicrider
05-02-2002, 10:48 PM
The timing Chain..or belt .. is supposed to be changed every 100,000km.
I had mine replaced when i first bought my car (152,000km).
I would suggest you take it to a shop. It's a tricky job, I think they need to lift your engine to get it out.
I had mine replaced when i first bought my car (152,000km).
I would suggest you take it to a shop. It's a tricky job, I think they need to lift your engine to get it out.
iwannablkmax
05-02-2002, 10:56 PM
yep it broke at 75mph on the interstate! so i figure i have some valves bent. which im not even gonna try doing that myself. but i figured i could do the belt. and got a hanes manual but the damn nut wont budge on that lower pulley. so i guess im screwed either way.
civic1991
05-03-2002, 07:12 AM
To fix the values you have to take that cam out. So I would just take the motor to a shop and have them look at your values. when that happened to me it was just easier to get a new motor, cheaper too.
threethirteen
05-03-2002, 07:28 AM
it's gonna suck a lot to fix that.
heh..might be cheaper..and faster..to buy a new engine.
heh..might be cheaper..and faster..to buy a new engine.
sastanley
05-03-2002, 10:09 AM
I think a ZC swap is in order :D
That will be cheaper than fixin' the mighty 1.5L - My Dad (the cheapest dude in the world) paid $1200+ to fix his Accord motor after he was too lazy to replace the timing belt and it broke (and bent some valves) at 125,000 miles.
ZC's can be had for about $5-600 and a cheap ECU for $100 - To do it right (replace the timing belt, water pump, plug wires, good ECU etc..) might cost $1000.
To answer your Q - A good strong impact wrench may be needed to break that bolt loose....or a big long pipe on your quality breaker bar. They are a bitch...and since D-series motors spin backwards, as they spin they tighten the bolt, which I think is why they are always so F%#@ing hard to break loose :mad:
That will be cheaper than fixin' the mighty 1.5L - My Dad (the cheapest dude in the world) paid $1200+ to fix his Accord motor after he was too lazy to replace the timing belt and it broke (and bent some valves) at 125,000 miles.
ZC's can be had for about $5-600 and a cheap ECU for $100 - To do it right (replace the timing belt, water pump, plug wires, good ECU etc..) might cost $1000.
To answer your Q - A good strong impact wrench may be needed to break that bolt loose....or a big long pipe on your quality breaker bar. They are a bitch...and since D-series motors spin backwards, as they spin they tighten the bolt, which I think is why they are always so F%#@ing hard to break loose :mad:
travis_118
05-03-2002, 11:38 AM
hahahahaha welcome to my world three months ago. i broke about 5 different tools trying to get tht bolt loose. i ended up jamming a screw driver in the clutch and putting about a 5 foot breaker bar on it. good luck.
iwannablkmax
05-05-2002, 05:05 PM
an update here for yah a few days later. i have a friend who wrecked his gsr integra (im guessing its the b 16 or 18?) anyway my cheap dad also said no way. so point is i talked to a friend who has a shop and it takes a 450 ft lb of torque to break that hoe! and my air socket thing only puts out 130 so hes gonna let me borrow his and i hope that will work. and i hate to go against my honda roots but im getting a 240 and swaping out for the sr20det from japan. but im keeping my honda and will always be a honda guy at heart
90civicrider
05-05-2002, 06:46 PM
One of my budies had a 91 240sx Special edition.
I raced him and beat him :) only by a 1/4 car lengh.
But they are pretty good cars. and if you did swap the SR20DET
you would be HELLA fast.
Anouther guy i know did that to his 240. Then stuck a turbo, intercooler, ect ect on it. and he was pulling some pretty crazy times on the track.
Here's his web site http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/lieusr20det/
good luck with the 240
I raced him and beat him :) only by a 1/4 car lengh.
But they are pretty good cars. and if you did swap the SR20DET
you would be HELLA fast.
Anouther guy i know did that to his 240. Then stuck a turbo, intercooler, ect ect on it. and he was pulling some pretty crazy times on the track.
Here's his web site http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/lieusr20det/
good luck with the 240
BullShifter
08-24-2002, 11:02 PM
if your timing belt broke at 75mph you got more than just bent valves
holes in the pistons
holes in the pistons
Setanta
08-25-2002, 06:38 AM
Ouch - they don't call them an interference motor for nothing :(
Timing belts should be done every 80,000kms according to the maintainance schedules over here. Me? I'd take that as gospel and not take a chance. :)
Easiest bet is to take it all to a mechanic as it's a pain to do without the right tools.
Timing belts should be done every 80,000kms according to the maintainance schedules over here. Me? I'd take that as gospel and not take a chance. :)
Easiest bet is to take it all to a mechanic as it's a pain to do without the right tools.
FourthGenHatch
08-25-2002, 11:01 AM
Yeah somethings aren't worth doing yourself.
amy@af
08-25-2002, 11:13 AM
i dunno you guys! jer's 88 accord just quit...and it was a busted timing belt. didn't want to mess with the vaccuum hose hell car anymore so sold it for $200. the guy who bought it threw a new timing belt and it and it started right up and runs like perfect.
i would replace the belt and see what happens. f*ck it. start it. so what if there is a bent valve...as it is you don't even know if it will start. then again..if you're worried and want to preserve the engine...change the belt and then tow it to a mechanic and let them check for bent vlaves.
i've seen some wicked crazy stuff (cam gear slipping 20 degrees while car was running, no damaged happened...another crazy example) when it comes to honda...anything is possible. like i said, it just might be a busted belt and that's all ;) i have my fingers crossed for ya.
i would replace the belt and see what happens. f*ck it. start it. so what if there is a bent valve...as it is you don't even know if it will start. then again..if you're worried and want to preserve the engine...change the belt and then tow it to a mechanic and let them check for bent vlaves.
i've seen some wicked crazy stuff (cam gear slipping 20 degrees while car was running, no damaged happened...another crazy example) when it comes to honda...anything is possible. like i said, it just might be a busted belt and that's all ;) i have my fingers crossed for ya.
91civicDXdude
08-25-2002, 11:26 AM
i know this sounds like a load of bull but i swear its true. my crx parts car that i bought has 320,000 miles on the odometer and i took the engine apart.....factory timing belt. Hondas are built to last i guess.
gunnmen01
08-25-2002, 02:50 PM
ive seen cars like that at work, 300,000 miles original t. belt and water pump, 160,000 original drive belts..... they seem to last for ever.... i'd try the new t. belt and water pump then start it, if it bent valves there gonna have to pull the head and replace valves and what not.....i like it when cars come in with bent valves, thats where i pick most of mine up so cheap.....good luck
gunnmen01
gunnmen01
QuickSilverEF9
08-25-2002, 05:10 PM
Why go ZC? SOHC VTEC is around the same price and more reliable. I have about 65k now and my timing belt hasnt been replaced. I don't think it is worth it for me to do because I am doing an SOHC VTEC swap in a couple months.
Setanta
08-26-2002, 02:57 AM
Originally posted by 91civicDXdude
i know this sounds like a load of bull but i swear its true. my crx parts car that i bought has 320,000 miles on the odometer and i took the engine apart.....factory timing belt. Hondas are built to last i guess.
Ummm... mine has a factory belt in it too - I had a genuine Honda one put in last week :devil:
Looks exactly the same as the one that came out - right down to the markings :p
i know this sounds like a load of bull but i swear its true. my crx parts car that i bought has 320,000 miles on the odometer and i took the engine apart.....factory timing belt. Hondas are built to last i guess.
Ummm... mine has a factory belt in it too - I had a genuine Honda one put in last week :devil:
Looks exactly the same as the one that came out - right down to the markings :p
darolh
08-27-2002, 01:25 PM
I believe the correct change interval to be 90k miles.
Gates' web site has lots of info on change intervals and whether a car will bash valves or not.
Gates' web site has lots of info on change intervals and whether a car will bash valves or not.
BullShifter
08-27-2002, 03:37 PM
every 5 years or 60K is the recommend interval
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