Bday coming up :) hello new car parts

Ok, so Im gonna be bugging the parents to get me something new for my car, but Im not sure what to get yet. Im thinking something like bigger injectors or SAFC. I was thinking that if I get the SAFC, I could save for injectors but that will take a while, maybe even as an xmas gift. If I were to get the SAFC, could I tune my car on stock injectors and tune again once I get bigger injectors? Reason why I cant spend 200+ on injectors is because Im living in a house with my gf, bills to pay and college in a couple weeks. 17 years old also, so kind of stressed already.

Thanks for the input in advance

Also, is there a faq on how to an SAFC? Highest flow on injectors is 28lbs/min if im not mistaken from reading many of Kevin's posts(Your too damn smart :P)? And is it hard to tune without a WB02(how much for a decent one)?

Happy be-early birthday.

I wish i could have gotten my parents to get me car parts for my car. Happy birthday :cheers:

i'd go with a SAFC II, or a true external waste gate... oh i love those things.

Go with DSMLink if you can.

If not, and it's between the SAFC and injectors, go with the SAFC first for sure. You'll constantly run rich with larger injectors without any AFC, because they will open and close like the smaller stockers.

Oh, and happy birthday :sunglasse

Stock fuel system run rich all the time. 9.5:1 AFR. The Most effecent burn rate in the combustion chamber is 11.1:1. That when the most torque is created.

28lb/min is about the max you can run without changing the AFR. as you lean things out you can get around 33lb/min at peak burn rate effency and it just keeps going up from their. Stoichiometric AFR will support in the range of 40lb/min.

Best bet is to buy SAFC2 first and learn the ropes before trying to tune the car with larger injectors. the stock fuel system will support your 14b all the way up untell your ready to replace it with somthing larger. It just dosn't challenge the stock fuel system. there is power to be made their without replacing anything. Not saying you wouldn't benifit from buying an Autometer AFPR, or rewire the fuel pump. Just not nessesary, yet.

Well Im actually in the process of rewiring my pump, just need a day off work. Where can I find DSM Link at? Ive tried searching ebay but I got confused with what I saw. Whats the differences between dsm link and safc2? Do I need a laptop, cuz my gf has one.

Dsmlink.com

dsmlink is almost definately too expensive unfortunately, another question about the safc2...can it be used in any car? My guess is yes, but double checking never hurt anyone

Also, for SAFC2 and DSMLink, would i need a WBo2?

ok, little clarity...

safc2 is strictly for tuning injectors to your stock ECU. DSMlink is a DSM platform, controlling almost everything, and requiring a 95 EPROM ECU. there is no need for a wideband 02 for the safc or DSMlink but it sure does help. but not neccesary.

get the safc for now, then add injectors and an AFPR. learn some tuning. keep reading...

I would go with DSMLink. You won't have much to do with it before getting larger injectors, but you are lucky enough to have a 95 ECU. Just make sure you pull the ECU and verify that it is an EPROM before you go ordering DSMLink.

You will have to have the chip burned for the stock 450's but you can always send it back and have it reburned when you get larger injectors (I think there is a minimal charge).

As far as the SAFC-II installation write-up, I like this one:

http://my.prostreetonline.com/howto/showarticle.asp?articleid=25

I'm going to get banned for this too, but:

We got some great replies from the mods on your question. Keep up the good work guys! :rolleyes:

Oh, Happy Birthday....mine was Wednesday. Hope you get what you want. I got an UICP from RRE and I'm going to be ordering the water injection kit from www.coolingmist.com next week :naughty: .

Why would you get banned for that?. Did I claim to be a expert in DSM's?. Oh someone get me a bandage for that massive blow. I am a moderator for this site and know plenty about pretty much every GM model and have personally helped tons of members work on there vehicles. I don't have to be a expert in every make and model to moderate this or any other forum. I think you know how to close the window or redirect your browser so if your not happy here , feel free to leave.

John

I would go with DSMLink. You won't have much to do with it before getting larger injectors, but you are lucky enough to have a 95 ECU. Just make sure you pull the ECU and verify that it is an EPROM before you go ordering DSMLink.

You will have to have the chip burned for the stock 450's but you can always send it back and have it reburned when you get larger injectors (I think there is a minimal charge).

As far as the SAFC-II installation write-up, I like this one:

http://my.prostreetonline.com/howto/showarticle.asp?articleid=25

I'm going to get banned for this too, but:

We got some great replies from the mods on your question. Keep up the good work guys! :rolleyes:

Oh, Happy Birthday....mine was Wednesday. Hope you get what you want. I got an UICP from RRE and I'm going to be ordering the water injection kit from www.coolingmist.com next week :naughty: .


:lol:

No man, you wont get banned. Would you rather me have said something like.. I'm getting an SAFC deuce next paycheck, i like the layout a little better. As far as which would be better for your car's current setup, i would just go with either of the SAFC's for now though, anything else would be kind of overkill at the moment. Would you want an answer like that from now on?

I think it depends on how far you want to with your car. While the SAFCII will handle your business for now, if you decide to get more serious, the DSMLink is the way to go. I've been reading a lot about the two lately. Someone said it before and I'm merely paraphrasing, to get all the functionality, it is cheaper to go with DSMLink in the long run. The problem is that it is a big hit up front. It's totally up to you and you are going to get different opinions from everyone based on the way they chose to upgrade their own car. Get an idea of where you want your car to be, ask yourself if it will realistically happen, then determine what functionality you will need. More than likely, if you have high enough goals, you are going to want DSMLink anyway. Good luck and Happy Birthday!

OT: If AF Eclipse forums were likened to a home, then mommy and daddy are sleeping in separate beds.

Wait a minute, who's the mommy and who's the daddy here?

Metaphor. But you you want to point fingers for the sake of humor, I'm all about that. :biggrin:

Lol, its all good ,but if I get a choice in the matter I am all your daddy's :smokin:

Lol. This one took a dive..

Their is not comparison between DSMlink and Safc2. Somone who drive a 95 gst or gsx is RETARTED if they buy an safc2 over DSMlink!

Full logging device, Realtime ecu changes, full control over timing, fuel, no2 controle, studder box, 1600cc stable, exc. Or a MAF interseptor that can controle fuel from 50%+ to 50%- and supports 680 befre falling on its ass at idle with no logging capeability.

If you cant buy DSMlink, and only have $200 buy the 95 EPROM and save untell you can get it.

I thought all 95 gst/gsx cars had the eprom already.

Also about water/alch injection...this looks fun, is it fairly hard to install and what kit on that website would be good to get? Ive heard they help a lot with cooling engines, which is somewhat what I need.

And I actually plan on getting an evo when this car craps out on me, I saw Kevin took his gsx ecu and put it in the evo for tuning, this would be an option seeing as how he got that car into the 12s on light mods.

If noone else can help you with the alcohol injection kit, i've got a link to a site that sells them for $400 on my computer at home(i'm at work), the kit was tested by a former member of this site, and it got him all the way into the 11's.

I thought all 95 gst/gsx cars had the eprom already.

Also about water/alch injection...this looks fun, is it fairly hard to install and what kit on that website would be good to get? Ive heard they help a lot with cooling engines, which is somewhat what I need.


Check out www.coolingmist.com

They seem to have the best "bang for the buck" kit on the market right now. Basic single stage, one nozzle kit with a 100psi pump for $199.

I am going to be picking up one next week and will let you know how the installation goes. It looks straight forward as far as the install goes, so I don't anticipate any problems.

I was thinking about that, looks pretty nice. Do I need a hard UICP to do the install? If so Ill probably end up getting the SAFC2.

I was thinking about that, looks pretty nice. Do I need a hard UICP to do the install? If so Ill probably end up getting the SAFC2.


Yes, you should have a hard UICP for the installation. You can, however, place the nozzle in the TB, but that is normally recommended for dual nozzle setups.

With a single (larger nozzle than the dual setup) nozzle, most people recommend installing it 6 - 8" away from the TB. Unless you have a GM MAF, then you should install it after the MAF. The nozzle should face in the direction of the intake charge, provided you are purchasing the upgraded injector nozzle. I am going to put mine on the far side of the BOV away from the TB

Well, from the stock part where the 2g bov connected, its basically a plastic peice where the 1g sits now, can I just install it there?

Lol. This one took a dive..

Their is not comparison between DSMlink and Safc2. Somone who drive a 95 gst or gsx is RETARTED if they buy an safc2 over DSMlink!

I got my SAFC2 brand new for 50 bucks now your stupid if you dont jump on that!

Well, from the stock part where the 2g bov connected, its basically a plastic peice where the 1g sits now, can I just install it there?

It should be fine with the plastic UICP. I don't think the flattened sections of the pipe will cause any problems. I know that their standard nozzle is down firing so it only has about 2" for the water to vaporize before it hits the bottom of the pipe.

Here is a pretty good walk-through on the install you will be doing. This guy decided to install his nozzle right next to the BOV on the TB side.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174484

Enjoy!

And I did buy the upgraded nozzle part :)

Living in a house with your gf at 17?

Yep :)

No offense, but in my opinion...

:wtf:

Why? Where you gettin the money for this. And if you are getting the money from somewhere, why the fuck live with someone at 17, save that shit up.... :dunno:

EDIT: Maybe DSM link would be an option then...

Well, payments only about 700/month between the both of us for our house, and Ive been lucky enough to find my soulmate. But with college, I wouldnt be able to afford DSM link neways.