put firebird and camaro models in order of worst to best

how do they compare to each other? i will list all that there is (that i know of anyway) and can you place them in order of worst to best in terms of performance? ill try to do the best i can but can you critique it?
2002 model year (if all of these are available, not sure).

camaro RS
firebird
formula
camaro z28
trans am
formula ws6
trans am ws6
formula firehawk
camaro SS
trans am firehawk
blackbird

i put the firebird models lower than the camaros because i have heard that the firebirds/trans ams/etc. have better aerodynamics than the camaros. is this true?

The drag coeffiecient of the two cars are quite possibly pretty close. It mostly depends on what body kit the cars have as I can't exactly call adding lips and side skirts to cars as Aero-Kits. I'm not for sure exactly what amount of downforce the stock deck spoilers create at speed versus the spoilers of the T/A, SS, Z28 and WS.6...

At night under full burn, the camaro will have a bit of an advantage as the pop-ups on the firebirds cause a significant amount of disturbance for the airflow over the front lines of the car. Overall, the cars are actually pretty even. I'm just talking about our last gen 98-02 cars, the differences are alot more apparent with the previous nose style...

formula
camaro z28
trans am
formula ws6
trans am ws6
formula firehawk
camaro SS
trans am firehawk
I would say all of those are about even on performance. All LS1 cars.

The Blackbird is a step above thanks to the basic bolt-ons it received.
Carl Black Pontiac added those. Rated at 380/400.
Each Black Bird starts out as a stock Pontiac Trans Am WS6 Ram Air with LS1 5.7 liter V-8 engine, 6-speed manual transmission and Hurst shift linkage. Carl Black´s high performance modifications include a 380 horsepower / 400 ft lb torque engine package, short throw shifter, high flow air box lid, chambered cat back exhaust, front and rear Eibach 1.5" lowering springs, dimpled front and rear disc brake rotors and Torq-Thrust II 17" ARE wheels.
50 were made, so I wouldn't really include them in the list anyways. Not really a production run.

whats a camaro?

LMAO Volker :iceslolan

whats a camaro?

Something that might be getting a second chance at life...

how do they compare to each other? i will list all that there is (that i know of anyway) and can you place them in order of worst to best in terms of performance? ill try to do the best i can but can you critique it?
2002 model year (if all of these are available, not sure).

camaro RS
firebird
formula
camaro z28
trans am
formula ws6
trans am ws6
formula firehawk
camaro SS
trans am firehawk
blackbird

i put the firebird models lower than the camaros because i have heard that the firebirds/trans ams/etc. have better aerodynamics than the camaros. is this true?

Are you talking cars that are strickly off the GM assembly line, or are you going to include tuners? you have some, but don't specify which you want.

and what kind of performance are you looking for? drag racing ET? cd? fuel economy? braking? handling, all of the above??

for aerodynamics- the third gen T/A was the best, to my knowledge. the '84 T/a, for example, with the (W-62) "aero package" (ground f/x to everyone else) has a CD of .29, at the time the best GM ever made, even better than the corvette. the 4th Gen was slighty worse.

As far as listing models available, here's a few more to your list:

strictly factory models (including all 4 generations)

firebird (ohc 6)
firebird 326/ 326 ho
firebird 350
firebird 400
formula
trans am
Super Duty T/A or Firebird ('73 and '74)
Trans Am GTA (3rd gen)
Trans Am GT (1994)
formula ws6
trans am ws6
1989 Pacecar
Anniversary models (79, 84,89, 94,99)

I won't bother listing things like Bandits, bluebirds, gold birds, and collectors editions, etc becasue, to my knowledge, they have no more power than regular models. nor companies that just cut the roofs off of cars to make convertibles when none were factory available.


camaro (base model)
camaro type LT
camaro Berlinetta
Camaro SS
Camaro RS
Camaro RS/SS
camaro z28
camaro SS Z28 (4th gen)
COPO camaro


then there's the tuners:

Mecham/ Macho T/A (2nd, 3rd and 4th gen)
Hurst/ lingenfelter (4th gen)
GMMP (4th gen)
SLP (3rd and 4th gen)
Comp T/A (1995)
(wasn't there a harley davidson edition too?)

Yenko (first and second generation)
Dana
Nickey
Berger (first and 4th gen)
Baldwin Motion
Dick Harrell
GMMP


As far as the fastest , the tuners are going to be much more powerful than the factory models as they are intentionally hopped up with speed parts, etc.

As you can see, there's a lot of info here to organize. Please let us know what you want to specifically know, then we can help narrow it down for you.

He said 2002 models. :lol:

Something that might be getting a second chance at life...

it didn't have a chance the first time around at least not against the birds...

for aerodynamics- the third gen T/A was the best, to my knowledge. the '84 T/a, for example, with the (W-62) "aero package" (ground f/x to everyone else) has a CD of .29, at the time the best GM ever made, even better than the corvette. the 4th Gen was slighty worse.

Eh? You sure? By looks I would think the 4th gens would womp the 3rds in terms of aero..

Eh? You sure? By looks I would think the 4th gens would womp the 3rds in terms of aero..
Mine does great right now in terms of aero.....kinda looks like a 4x4. :lol:

Eh? You sure? By looks I would think the 4th gens would womp the 3rds in terms of aero..


the sources I read stated the 4th gen has a lot of drag in the back which is what hurts it. sure, it looks like a semi melted bar of soap, but "looks" aren't facts. so...

the Pontiac advertisement for 1984 states the '84 T/A (with ground f/x) has a cd of .29

an article on "the autochannel.com" http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicles/new/reviews/wk9431.html states a 1994 anniversary T/A has a .32 cd

last I knew the lower the number, the better aerodynamics you have.

based on the facts I've found, the 3rd gen has a lower coefficient of drag.

If I'm wrong, please correct me. i don't want to run around with incorrect info either.

He said 2002 models. :lol:

whoops

Ok, i'm a little new when it comes to all the technical stuff and mechanics so someone please explain to me the difference between a Formula ws6 and a formula firehawk or just the firehawk for that matter. I heard that the firehawk was a really rare model to find.

What's a Camaro? Good question. Answer: A "poor man's Firebird..."

Firehawk started out as an aftermarket modification by SLP (Street Legal Performance). It got headers (real ones, not those POS shorties), more fuel (chipped, throttle body, etc.). Eventually, Pontiac picked it up. Hot cars. There were about 20 of them at Norwalk last week, mostly running low 13s. All were street cars with little or no changes. Many had licsense plates with their serial number (pretty cool idea). Some were ragtops, too. Interesting cars.

This is done to a trans am right off the production line. They were sent right over to SLP to have these done alterations done.

Base Firehawk Alterations

- 345 HP, 5.7L LS1 with 350 ft./lbs of torque (base alteration package)
- Firehawk exclusive, composite hood with functional cold air induction scoops
- Firehawk exclusive, hood mounted heat extractors
- Firehawk exclusive, underhood forced air induction system
- Firehawk front fascia badge
- Cat-Back, stainless steel, performance exhaust system with twin dual tips
- Upgraded suspension components
- 17" x 9" lightweight aluminum painted wheels
- Firestone Firehawk P275/40ZR17 SZ50EP tires
- Firehawk exterior graphics on doors and rear fascia
- Firehawk dash plaque and two Firehawk key fobs

You could also get the following options ontop of the alterations already made, but for a price.

SLP Options

- 17" x 9" Firehawk 5-Spoke chrome wheels
- Bilstein ultra performance suspension system
- Auburn high torque performance differential with AAM aluminum cooling cover
- Premium front floor mats with embroidered Firehawk logo
- Commemorative portfolio
- Custom fitted car cover with silk-screened Firehawk logo
- Custom personalized rear deck mat

There was also the 1le suspension upgrade. Dont really remember the price for the extra options. In 2002, to have a firehawk instead of a trans am it cost an extra $4,299. If you had upgraded differential and suspension, you would be around $5,000. Im pretty sure this is all correct. Someone correct me if im wrong.

On the production, they made i think around 1,500 firehawks in 2002. They made about 15,000 ws6. Both those production numbers include the formulas and trans ams combined. In previous years, they made less of each. I think in 2001 they made 750 firehawks, in 2000, they made 550, and in 1999, they made 650. Through those years, ws6 averaged around 7,000 to 8,000 a year. So firehawks are more rare than ws6s.

In 2002, the firehawk was rated at 345hp and 350ft/lbs torque. Generally they dyno about 315hp and 330ft/lbs at the wheels.

So firehawks are more rare than ws6s.

Not by a ton, but yes they are more rare.

1999 only had 5,000 WS.6's produced. :icon16: