B&M shifter

i just wanted to know if those B&M short shifters are worth the 135 bucks and if the 35% shift reduction has any big performance gains or not?

$135 - damn - I've got one in my shop I'd sell you for $60 right now. Plus shipping.

man jump on that from 4G4D. Plus you might want to look for the Energy Shifter bushing, thats the set up im going for my shifter....

4G, can you do a special for that like $70 the short shifter from B&M and the bushings from Energy? that would be a sweet package, hit me up if you can...

135 is waaaay pricey. I have one on my 89 REX. It makes a big difference over the stock shifter. I like it.....

I'll check and see what those bushings run and see what kind of deal I can setup. Also, I just installed one of the b&m short shifters on my 4g4d, and I'll tell you that it cuts your shifting throw is cut half at least - it's going to take me a few days to get use to not moving the shift knob a lot - lol. As for performance, it doesn't add any horserpower of course, but it does help the shifting a little - it's easier to get a quick shift.

sweet ok thank for the info guys well i guess ill try to find a better price plus it wont be anytime soon i dont get payed till next friday

OEM shifter bushings are fine and cost $20

theyre two different versions of the B&M short shifter; the $130 one has a bearing at the bottom, and comes with a new cup(or whatever its called):
http://www.bmracing.com/media/products/items/150_full.jpg
and the $50 one(atleast thats how much i paid for it shipped from ebay):
http://www.bmracing.com/media/products/items/154_full.jpg

OEM shifter bushings are fine and cost $20

ES bushings cost $10 and are just as good, if not better.

I got a alluminum shorty from ebay for $30, came with bearings but no bearing spacer. I cut about 3" off the top(just enough to get my ball on). Problem was that the bearings would rattle when my engine was reving over 4000, and i couldnt tighten the bolt too much without fuckin the bearings up. So what i did was take 2 swiss skateboard bearings and a spacer and put them in. I tightened that shit up and now no rattle and shifts like a dream. Just need to get a lightened flywheel to shorten up the shifting even more, oh and the shorty gave about a 50% quicker throw but still gotta wait for the engine to come down in revs. Oh and i put in the ES bushing set and it made it even better.

Just need to get a lightened flywheel to shorten up the shifting even more.

Where did you get this info from :confused::confused:

yea i found that the short shifter that goes for 50 buck plus the ES bushings go for 10 bucks, so $60 or $70 bucks would be a sweet deal.....

Just need to get a lightened flywheel to shorten up the shifting even more

You clearly know nothing about cars and should kill yourself now.

yeah see i seen the first shfter with the blue mount i didnt see the other one till now ill probly still go for the pricy one cuz its purdee-er lol

why should i kill myself? the inersia(cant spell) of the heavy wheel wouldnt spin longer then the lighter one? Or how about the time it takes to go from bottom rpms to top rpms wouldnt be faster?

Just need to get a lightened flywheel to shorten up the shifting even more, oh and the shorty gave about a 50% quicker throw but still gotta wait for the engine to come down in revs.

A lightweight flywheel has nothing to do with shifter throw, and I've never heard of anyone waiting for their revs to drop before they change gears.

why should i kill myself? the inersia(cant spell) of the heavy wheel wouldnt spin longer then the lighter one? Or how about the time it takes to go from bottom rpms to top rpms wouldnt be faster?

I have A Competition Clutch 11.8lbs Lughtened Flywheel.
It Rev's Faster, Stronger, and puts ALOT less stress on your engine.

ok i didnt say it was directly connected to the shifting, its a matter of time ellapsed for your engine revs to increase and to drop ie: lighter flywheel = faster rev ups faster rev downs. ive had times when i go from 1st to 2nd and couldnt put my sifter into 2nd untill my revs came down, maybe it was my tranny, but you guys sure love to bust a persons balls rather then tell them what you "know". not all of us went to school for automotive tech. but we can speak from experience, which sometimes is better then book knowledge, not that im sayin i know better then you do, just voicin my opinion which im allowed to do. And yet you still havent told me that the ensersia of a heavy item would not spin longer then a lighter one, ever here of physics? an object in motion tends to stay in motion unless and outside force is introduced.

You know what makes a lightweight flywheel work even nicer?... a lightweight crank pulley.

Pretty much the first three gears in my Si tranny rev out so fast that I'm shifting like there's no tomorrow. But when I get into high 3rd and shift to 4th 80mph, I can hold 4th for a bit but it's such a short gear anyway I usually shift quick to 5th...

ive had times when i go from 1st to 2nd and couldnt put my sifter into 2nd untill my revs came down, maybe it was my tranny, but you guys sure love to bust a persons balls rather then tell them what you "know".

Sounds like you've got synchro problems. I'm not busting your balls, I'm trying to set you straight.

And you still haven't told me that the inertia of a heavy item would not spin longer than a lighter one, ever hear of physics?

OK, now I'm busting your balls, and you deserve it for assuming we don't know how a lightweight flywheel changes the characteristics of a car. We are all familiar with what a lightweight flywheel does. We are all familiar with high school level physics. Yes, revs do climb faster with a lightweight flywheel. Yes, revs do drop faster when you let off the throttle. We all know that (search thru some old posts, it's old news).

What YOU don't know is that has nothing to do with how fast you shift. Shorter throws, a performance clutch with an organic disc and good clutch/pedal techniques improve shift speed. Not a lightweight flywheel.

That second quote of yours doesn't even make sense...are you asking a question or mis-stating an obvious fact? Sheesh, you can't even spell correctly and you're giving physics lessons?

OK, done busting your balls.

hey when people make comments that a lightened flywheel doesnt help improve shifting speed from gear to gear that means i dont know what im talking about? you take 2 identical car setups except for the flywheel, same guy wips both, and the stock flywheel setup will do just as quick a time as the lightened flywheel? i think not...and thats all i was saying, that a lightened flywheel i one of the ways to enhance your shifting through the gears. And that second qoute about the "a heavy flywheel would not rev longer then a lightened one?" I was stating an obvious fact in negitive terms cuz it was a question to the people who were doubting my knowledge about the flywheel effects, who some of you dont think i can understand this shit. And if i cant im not scared to ask so i can understand, so thanx for busting my balls when you really didnt need to(what ever makes you sleep better) since you all dont know me.

you take 2 identical car setups except for the flywheel, same guy wips both, and the stock flywheel setup will do just as quick a time as the lightened flywheel? i think not...and thats all i was saying, that a lightened flywheel i one of the ways to enhance your shifting through the gears.

WRONG. The car with the lightweight flywheel will be faster, but it has nothing to do with how fast you shift. A lightweight flywheel revs faster because there is less rotational resistance to the engine. That's what makes your car faster.
Saying a lightweight flywheel enhances your shifting thru the gears is like saying a turbo enhances your shifting thru the gears...it doesn't. It makes you reach redline faster so that you have to shift sooner.

again that was stated in a negitive way, do you people even read or just throw out stupid answers that state the same things ive been saying the whole freakin time.

" Saying a lightweight flywheel enhances your shifting thru the gears is like saying a turbo enhances your shifting thru the gears...it doesn't. It makes you reach redline faster so that you have to shift sooner."

allowing the driver to shift through the freakin gears faster.

You clearly know nothing about cars and should kill yourself now.

OK, now I see why Hybrid1990crx said that to you. :loser:

whatevs get a clue...

I don't need a clue - I know exactly what you're trying to say...having a stronger engine brings you to redline faster, thus you shift sooner. You worded it so poorly no one understood you at first. But who gives a shit about shifting sooner, you could have a 20 hp engine...low-gearing will make you shift sooner but that doesn't mean you've got a powerful engine. This thread is about B&M shifters, which is about shifting quicker.

Then you turned out to be such an dork with this "busting my balls" shit and "ever here of physics" thing like you're some kind of physics genius...I just had to point out your stupidity.

OK - the end...I'm sure everyone else is sick of reading this thread too.

moooo...lol sorry wanted to light'n the mood

LOL...ok that was very entertaining with Gohan Ryu and 91CRXTC...but yea I think Gohan Ryu told us enough about the lightened flywheel it brings the rev up and down faster...but anywayz about the B&M shifter it does make your throws a lot shorter...sometimes even shorter than it says it will...

LOL...ok that was very entertaining with Gohan Ryu and 91CRXTC...but yea I think Gohan Ryu told us enough about the lightened flywheel it brings the rev up and down faster...but anywayz about the B&M shifter it does make your throws a lot shorter...sometimes even shorter than it says it will...

im not sure, but i remember looking at some chart or something about the b&m shifters, and it was saying the reduction on the 4th gens/crxs are like 40% vs. ~20-30% on the DCs.

edit: i found something; it concerns the RACE shifter(the expensive one):
B&M B&M Short Throw Shifter (RACE) for Honda Civic/CRX 88-00, Del Sol 93-97, & Acura Integra 90-01
Note: 36% (Integra), 54% (Civic/CRX/Del Sol) Shift Throw Reduction, Accepts Stock Knob, Straight race stick, aluminum housing, spherical bearing.

i cut my factory shifter! i love the feel of my shifts when racing through the gears! yeayea i know it isnt considered a short shifter.. but im happy with it :p and it looks real cool with the teg console all short