the promised pics of 040 !!

PatrickT82

08-06-2005, 01:12 PM

Thorst13

08-06-2005, 01:34 PM

Great pics. but those BBS rims has to be one of the most ugly rims you can put on a F1!?!

F1 monster

08-06-2005, 01:41 PM

Thanks for the pics!

jcsaleen

08-06-2005, 01:51 PM

Very nice pix!

Thanks

F1 monster

08-06-2005, 02:04 PM

Polished rims (I think it's called the satin finish) would look the best on this car.

Black or anthracite rims would dull the colour and make it too much like smurf blue.

Chrome rims would look too flashy, totally not in keeping with the McLaren's image.

Gold rims? Uhhh....here is the result.

bucciali

08-06-2005, 03:09 PM

Very nice pics, Patrick! Thanks for sharing! And I share your opinion, I think the BBS rims look very cool!

joe911

08-06-2005, 03:10 PM

There seems to be a fair amount of misinformation floating around about this car - it seems primarily due to people making wild assumptions of what might be going on.
The car has been fairly well talked about on pistonheads.com where the owner has been happy to answer questions.
I know the owner and have driven the car several times.
The wheels - which seem to be the biggest point of comment/criticism are purely being used to experiment with tyres - the observant of you will notice that they are larger than standard.
As has been documented - the owner is having some suspension development done to improve handling - and wheels/tyres are a big factor in this.
Once happy with the tyres some 'proper' wheels will be sourced.

F1 monster

08-06-2005, 03:25 PM

And what is the misinformation? You haven't said anything that contradicts what anyone else has written.

We all know that the suspension is being experimented with because the owner (flemke) posted on Pistonheads and told us so, quite some time back.

So, what are these "wild" assumptions, exactly?

Peloton25

08-06-2005, 03:30 PM

Pics are excellent Patrick - thanks for getting them for us. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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I really like the car - I think I always have. It's one of the most unique road cars out there and I think that makes it special.

I don't mind the current wheels at all - I think it's wonderful that someone with the knowledge and funds is trying to do something different with the car. Some might think that is a laughable proposition, but who are we to argue. This is an owner that's trying to improve the dynamics of the car without simply slapping the High Downforce Kit on it and calling it a day. That should be applauded I think.

I'd love to see someone like Tiff get a drive in this thing once the changes are completed to see what his thoughts are since he's had ample seat time in several F1s.

We should really be thankful that this isn't yet another F1 that's been locked in a garage somewhere under a cover, that will never be seen or photographed. I love hearing stories about F1s that are being driven by their owners, and its quite rare to hear of any of them making it onto a real racing circuit. Whether you like the color/design of the wheels or not, aren't there other reasons to be excited about what's going on here?

I am curious if the GTR's steering rack, with it's lower rack ratio, has been fitted to this car. Any chance you can shed some light on that joe911? That's one change that people seem to feel improves the character of the car.

>8^)
ER

F1 monster

08-06-2005, 03:34 PM

No question that it's exciting that the owner is trying to improve the car. That's really cool. I hope he takes care of the aesthetic aspect too, once all is said and done. It's a bigger size than the standard wheel, so, assuming the big size is retained, he will be putting on different wheels. If that is the case, I hope the colour is a pleasing one, and one that matches or complements the colour of the car nicely. That's all.

Looks are a subjective thing, but most would agree that the gold clashes with the blue.

It's still every bit a McLaren, and it is indeed wonderful that it's used properly. And it will continue to be wonderful, even with gold wheels. :)

G-man422

08-06-2005, 06:14 PM

I said it once, and i'll say it again. #040 is one of my favorite McLarens. great color, and i like the rims.

Thorst13

08-06-2005, 06:58 PM

I said it once, and i'll say it again. #040 is one of my favorite McLarens. great color, and i like the rims.

Then you are still on drugs... :p

F1 monster

08-06-2005, 08:16 PM

Saying it again makes it true. Really, it does. Honest. Uh huh.

McLaren F1 Guy

08-07-2005, 01:31 PM

Those are some pretty sweet shots and angles, even though if it may not be the best looking F1 ever.

John_T

08-07-2005, 08:53 PM

I found this picture..
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7426/3023031gh.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3023031gh.jpg)

F1 monster

08-07-2005, 09:16 PM

That's a nice picture, thanks. The blue looks superb in that light.

There seems to be a fair amount of misinformation floating around about this car - it seems primarily due to people making wild assumptions of what might be going on.

I am still waiting to hear what misinformation is floating about. And what are the wild assumptions?

joe911, care to tell us?

joe911

08-08-2005, 11:07 AM

I am curious if the GTR's steering rack, with it's lower rack ratio, has been fitted to this car. Any chance you can shed some light on that joe911? That's one change that people seem to feel improves the character of the car.

A friend asked me to post this - to maybe help to answer your question...

From the beginning of its design process the F1 was not going to have power steering. According to the legend, Murray believed that the original Lotus Elan had the best steering that he had ever used and he wanted to emulate this on the F1. The Elan's steering was not power-assisted.
The thing is, the Elan had skinny front tyres, light brakes, low weight on the front corners, and a large diameter steering wheel. All these factors meant that the Elan did not require much steering effort.
The F1, on the other hand, has wide front tyres, heavy brakes, and medium weight on the front corners. In addition, modern-style steering wheels are smaller diameter, and this is relevant in the tight driving confines of the F1. All these factors tend to demand greater steering effort.
Therefore it was (it seems to me) always going to be a challenge for the F1 to function without power-assisted steering. After all, you do need to be able to turn the front wheels occasionally.
There were a couple of things that they could do to reduce the required steering effort. One was to minimise the caster. Relative to most of today's cars, the F1's caster is on the low side. In my experience (not knowledge, of which I have virtually none), the car would benefit from increased caster - the steering is too sensitive staight ahead. Apart from reducing that destabilising sensitivity straight ahead, more caster also helps reduce understeer because when the outer wheel is turned it develops more camber.
Also, to reduce the required steering effort they could lower the steering ratio (that is, reduce the gearing so that for a given amount of steering wheel rotation the front wheels are being moved less). As with its caster, the F1's steering ratio is different from what you find on modern performance cars.
An advantage of the low steering ratio is that the car is more stable; the flip side of that coin is that the steering is less responsive, for the obvious geometric reason. (The F1 also has a long wheelbase, which also contributes to its relatively slow turn-in).

The "race" rack is no different from the standard rack except that its gears are different sizes. Mechanically the two are otherwise the same. It would be difficult anyhow to alter the basic rack design, as it is integral to the magnesium bulkhead.
If you want the higher ratio in order to achieve quicker steering response, fair enough, but in doing that you're simply aggravating the problems that come with the lack of power assistance. For me that's going in the wrong direction.
It is true that the F1's steering has got loads of feel, and little kickback. The other steering-related issues are not minor, however.

Peloton25

08-08-2005, 12:56 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. :thumbsup:

>8^)
ER

Peloton25

10-29-2005, 09:59 PM

I did this photoshop for the benefit of someone another forum and figured I would share it here. Personally I don't care either way, but I think most people would have less of an issue with these wheels if they did not have gold centers. See for yourself - maybe I'm wrong. :dunno:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/th_scannen00320au_edit.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/scannen00320au_edit.jpg)
Click Me!

>8^)
ER

peter i

10-29-2005, 10:06 PM

O_* Yeahhh the "Long Tail"!!! Thanks

murraydeschot

10-30-2005, 01:02 AM

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