Corvettes

is it just me or how come i dont see a lot of corvettes being street tuned, i mean....look at the specs, 400hp at only 3,200 lbs, and you can find used ones for around the $32,000

is it just me or how come i dont see a lot of corvettes being street tuned, i mean....look at the specs, 400hp at only 3,200 lbs, and you can find used ones for around the $32,000



You just answered your own question.


$32,000 for a car. That's still alot of money to be spending on a car that can only carry two people, can't hold much in the trunk... plus insurance is high for them for just about anybody.

Those who can afford Vette's, usually don't do much to them other than maybe wheels/tires. And maybe exhaust.

Those who love Vette's, and can afford them build them to be monsters. Like Lingenfelter Twin Turbo Vettes. Or the MTI C6 427ci Devil Ray.

There's a huge difference in the crowd of people who can afford Corvettes. Those who buy it for the pussymobile. And those who buy it to scare the hell out of women.

I have a friend that has a 2001 Z06 on the bottle.

There are a couple of Corvettes around here that have gotten modded heavily. But not many.

Most people buy something that is a lil cheaper to make fast(er). The $-to-go ratio is just not good. Granted you get a good solid foundation to build on, that $32k down. Most cars can be insanely fast on $20k including the cost of the car.

NTM, if you blow a Vette's engine or wreck it, you'll be kicking yourself in the ass forever. Some of the rich speed freaks build them and go to those desert races out in the middle of arizona and mexico. I have a vid of a supercharged viper, supercharged vette, and a supra all going down to some crazy supra.lol It kicks ass.

Les7K is taking her vette to SEMA. it looks great. Flames and chrome rims. check it out in the "car shows" thread under "SEMA".

Because the average age of a Corvette Owner is 60.

vettes are sexy yah but $$$ poses an issue.

I'd rather have my $7,500 riceburner and spend $2,500-$3,000 on it to blow by a vette. Nice cars though, maybe I'll own one if I win the lotto.

Two guys I work with both have c5's with aftermarket parts on them including brakes. another one I know of has a TT lingenfelter. You have to know the right people I guess.

Well, all teh rich people I know who like to go fast think Vettes are slow...but then again, we have like, five AMGs in my neighborhood, and two Ferraris on the weekend, and I found out that the Lambo I raced is in the suburb across the street so...

AMG's and ferraris common in your neighbourhood? easy there richie rich :icon16:

and alot of ppl who own vettes don't really see any need in making their car faster, its got all the speed and prestige executives need

but their are a few ppl wo think corvette speed isnt fast enough (namely us) who would get the Lingenfelter vettes

ahh the age old dilemma of a car costing more than the right owners can afford. ive come to believe this is to keep these cars out of the wrong hands. think about the idiots that would be getting killed in 500hp vipers if they werent $85k or whatever. personally my biggest gripe has always been Porsche. i feel that its gearheads like us who want to drive a performance car who should really be in a 911 turbo, yet the only people who can afford them r doctors who wouldnt have the time to race one even if they wanted to.same with the vettes. its a darn shame to see an american performance icon like a 400hp vette wasted on old guys in suits.

Top speed is where the vette seperates itself from cheaper modded cars. I would think that you would have to do some things to a civic to keep parts from flying off at 180 mph.

People just don't need to go that fast on the street.

the Vette is hard to improve upon with spending alot of money. Well driven Stock Z06's are often the fastest street driven cars of the day at autocrosses, beating tons of turbocharged or supercharged "tuner" cars with full aftermarket suspensions.

The vette is as easy to improve upon as any camaro. Its nowhere near peaked out.

Top speed is where the vette seperates itself from cheaper modded cars. I would think that you would have to do some things to a civic to keep parts from flying off at 180 mph.

People just don't need to go that fast on the street.

Yup, and it would still cost 50% less than a bone stock Z06 and be more fun to drive IMO.

Highly tuned 4cyl>highly tuned v8

Highly tuned 4cyl>highly tuned v8
:disappoin your respecto meter just hit a new low 2 things make a motor fast tech and size most of the newer v8s have alot of tech look at the LS motors or fords Mod v8s alot of tech just bigger then a compact.

I know no pump gas running 4 banger will touch a tuned 03/04 cobra you know as my MM&FF says 800ish is about what stock guts this car will do. my friends 11 sec crx *near 10s* has been walked by a streetlegal KB cobra hes street legal and high 9s he claims and I dont doubt him.

Vettes cost alot more then Fbodys and pack same powerplant most people who want speed rather have lower insure and less starting price and vettes are tuned hell god willing i might have a c5 in a few years.

Highly tuned 4cyl>highly tuned v8
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dood why you be lafffing and shitz
you just got like more weight on drivetrains so your motor can't be revving and shit

oh and your bitch ass don't even got vtak
4cly 4 lyfe nikkas!

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Highly tuned 4cyl>highly tuned v8


:rofl:

I wouldn't go as far as to say The I-4 is preffered but a highly tuned six appeals to me more then any other engine layout save the ferrari v12's and v8's.

You can get more then enough power for the street with more usuable power, and less stress then a 4 cylinder of the same hp rating. IMO I-6/V-6 is my preffered engine boosted of course.

Highly tuned 4cyl>highly tuned v8


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Fuck that's great. That's an arguement that can never be won.... by either side.

Yup, and it would still cost 50% less than a bone stock Z06 and be more fun to drive IMO.

Highly tuned 4cyl>highly tuned v8
I wholeheartedly disagree. Car and Driver did a test at the same track w/ some 4 banger imports (S2000, Evo, etc...), and all of them were modded. None of them had a faster track time then a stock Z06. Also you can buy a used 02 Z06 for around $28-30K. Don't underrate those cars, cause getting a 4 cylinder import to run those times while remaining streetable isn't as easy as you guys make it sound.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Car and Driver did a test at the same track w/ some 4 banger imports (S2000, Evo, etc...), and all of them were modded. None of them had a faster track time then a stock Z06. Also you can buy a used 02 Z06 for around $28-30K. Don't underrate those cars, cause getting a 4 cylinder import to run those times while remaining streetable isn't as easy as you guys make it sound.

I read that article, some of those tuners were near 100000 by the time they were done weren't they? It was only a little blurb at the end that said that none of them touched the stock Z06. By the way I have never seen something quoted so much as this "Highly tuned 4cyl>highly tuned v8" Does this make any sense?

Its more expensive to get into a vette initially, but much cheaper to be fast. If you buy a Z06, you already are fast.

Wow, I didn't realize people cared that much about my opinion. Thanks for caring so much about what I think.http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon14.gif

Wow, I didn't realize people cared that much about my opinion. Thanks for caring so much about what I think.http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon14.gif



We care, but an over generalized statement as that is kinda dumb.

Cause all that will do is start a war between V8 guys and fourbanger guys. And it'll never stop.


Four bangers are cool, trust me... I had one. Had all sorts of fun in it. V8s are fun, trust me... I have one. I have all sorts of fun in it too...

You can't compare the two... cause not many of the people from either side can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Nicely said. I love all cars, except azteks and minivans. You don't have to chose which one is better, they are all different.

5cyl> anything else

3 cilanders 0wns ull

You can get more then enough power for the street with more usuable power, and less stress then a 4 cylinder of the same hp rating. IMO I-6/V-6 is my preffered engine boosted of course.

BHP does not coincide with stress. Torque is what creates stress since it is directly linked with Peak Cylinder Pressure. You can BHP the hell out of most cars just by sizing intake and exhaust ports to make power way up in the RPM range. Hence using smalller displacement engines in racing and spinning them much faster. Remember:

HP=(Torque*RPM)/5252

That is how S200s are so fast. Airflow is directly linked to BHP. So an engine spinning higher RPM than the same engine at a lower RPM is capable of making more BHP given cylinder head ports/cams/intake piping/exhaust are all sized in accordance.

Then most say RPM causes more wear on an engine....... Well where the fuck does 140+psi of oil pressure go at 10k? Between the bearings. Pull apart a well maintained engine and look at the bearings. Nice n shiny huh? Yea, no wear. Thats right, NO WEAR. A thin layer of oil exists at all times under ideal conditions(your shit has been taken care of) to prevent metal to metal contact. Most properly maintained engines can use completely stock sized bearings during a rebuild(even after 200K+ miles! FYI, for the KA24( my rice burner) Clevite only makes one grade(size) of bearing).

I'll give you the I-6. Naturally balanced.....ooo yes. Plus 2JZ is so damn nice.....

Airflow>number of cylinders

Then most say RPM causes more wear on an engine....... Well where the fuck does 140+psi of oil pressure go at 10k? Between the bearings. Pull apart a well maintained engine and look at the bearings. Nice n shiny huh? Yea, no wear. Thats right, NO WEAR. A thin layer of oil exists at all times under ideal conditions(your shit has been taken care of) to prevent metal to metal contact. Most properly maintained engines can use completely stock sized bearings during a rebuild(even after 200K+ miles! FYI, for the KA24( my rice burner) Clevite only makes one grade(size) of bearing).



Yeah, that's just plain wrong.


Then, by your logic. Why did my friend build a 454 Big Block for his '66 Chevelle that made 500+hp. After 2 years of driving, and roughly 15,000 miles. It was a weakend car... and he took extreme care of it.

He pulled it apart to refresh the motor, and the bearing showed wear. Meaning brass was showing.

How do you explain that?

And, what about some of the most well maintained motors in the world. Race motors, look how often those motors are rebuilt cause of wear. Yeah... High RPM and Extreme use don't cause wear.

F1 motors are rebuilt after each race, same as NASCAR. Same with NHRA dragsters... hell they have their topends rebuilt after each race. And if the motor shows signs of wear, it's pulled and replaced with a fresh engine.


:rolleyes:

I was wrong about the engine bearing wear. Well actually mis-informed by someone who I thought knew...

Crankshaft bearings (http://www.aa1car.com/library/ar797.htm)

Crankshaft bearings are always replaced when rebuilding an engine because they’re a wear component. Heat, pressure, chemical attack, abrasion and loss of lubrication can all contribute to deterioration of the bearings. Consequently, when an engine is rebuilt new bearings are always installed.

But I was right about the oil film and no metal to metal contact.
Proper clearances are another factor that are extremely important bearing longevity and oil pressure. Crankshaft bearings generally need at least a .0001 inch thick oil film between themselves and their journals to prevent metal-to-metal contact. This requires assembly clearances that are loose enough so oil can flow into the gap between the bearing and journal to form an oil wedge that can support the crankshaft. The clearance must also be sufficient to allow enough oil flow to cool the bearings. But the clearance must not be too great otherwise the oil will escape before it can form a supporting wedge.

Airflow>number of cylinders


I can't disagree with most of the points your made, except for bearing failure...but you've already covered that over again.


Who cares people?? V8, I4, I6, V6, W8..... You can make power out of any GOD DAMN engine out there!!!! Stop arguing stupid shit about air flow being greater as if V8's dont get a lot of airflow, tell that to my old man, the 350 in his Camaro will rev to 8K no problems, a good shift point is 6500. Arguing engine wear is even dumber! *Revelation here* If it's a mechanical moving part it's going to wear, as well as the bearings it's spinning on!! Who wants to argue forced induction???? Lets put a turbo on a small displacement 4 cylinder. Hey, that added displacement as well as power!! Lets put the same god damn turbo on a V8! OMG! Same fuckin thing, but i'll be willing to bet the bigger power add came from the engine that already had larger displacement. Oh but what compression ratio, not all V8's have the right CR for turbos...so? Not all 4 bangers do either!! Well...power to weight, i still have you.. So what? Your car is faster than the V8, congratufuckulations, want a cookie? There's one million factors included in engines and making power, and everyone always wants to pick just one or two out and nit pick on the size of each other engines like it was their testicles or something... It's a fuckin endless god damn circle. If you are going to discuss engine size, power, wear, reasons of failure... Do it intelligently and not "4 cylinders are better than V8's in terms of wear" or vice versa, cause any engine can wear just like any other with harsh driving. God damn i'm tired...i'm going to bed.

Damn
I love the massive torque/horsepower #'s and sound of a V8
and
I also love the awesome power/weight ratios and sound of a turbo spooling that I-4 and I-6,v6 turbo motors make.


Oh and don't forget.

Tuned Bike > tuned 4 cyl > tuned 8 cyl :)

But really, I love both high performance import motors and high performance v8 domestic motors, does no one share my view?

Tuned Bike > tuned 4 cyl > tuned 8 cyl :)


You might want to tell that to the guy in the video I have. Modded Supra v Modded Hayabusa...Supra>Hayabusa. At HIN tonight, there was a Supra that was over the 1k mark with horsepower AND torque...had a sticker that said "If It Can't Beat a Hayabusa, Then Its Not Fast".

That is how S200s are so fast. Airflow is directly linked to BHP. So an engine spinning higher RPM than the same engine at a lower RPM is capable of making more BHP given cylinder head ports/cams/intake piping/exhaust are all sized in accordance.
You lost me right when you said that S2000 were soo fast. If you did record that 13.4 sec. pass it must've been at E-Town, cause i've never seen an S2000 break into the 13's where i'm at (LACR and Speedway). The majority of them can't break into the 14's.

Also your assessment of air flow> no. of cylinders is kinda an oxymoron.

You lost me right when you said that S2000 were soo fast.

For a NA four banger, they are pretty damned quick.

That is how S200s are so fast.
They are??

Oh yeah....

Should I post that video of the Trans Am SPANKING the 600 RWHP Supra???

Tuned V8 > Tuned 4
Race motors excluded.

Take a run of the mill 350. Take a run of the mill 4 banger. Turbo both, tune both for said boost.
Gee....I wonder what will make the better power.....

Jet Turbine > j00

Jet Turbine > j00
Only cuz j00 sucks.

Mason > Mr. Lous :icon16: I don't know why I said that...its so not true

and yeah you can't compare airflow to cylinders

oh and S2000's are not fast...their decently quick and nimble, but very overrated, and overpriced...

yeah i do believe an S2000 is in the $30k-$35k range correct? unless u really like S2000s, it seems to me like there r more productive cars to spend that kinda money on. theres a dealer not too far from my house with an 01 SLP Camaro SS. 380 hp, 400 lb.ft and a 6 speed. well under $20k. closer to 15 if i remember correctly. buy a new GTO, hell buy an old GTO lol. street racing started with a cetain kind of car. midsize american cars wit big V8s. by all means nearly any car can be built to compete. tell someone 20 years ago that you would be able to buy a 300 hp awd mitsubishi and theyd laugh at u, but please, give credit where credit is due. torque wins drag races, and big displacement is the easiest way to generate streetable, useable torque. all this arguing isnt gonna convince anyone of anything. go race ur car. thats pretty much the only real way do prove anything. im not gonna talk smack about any cars that i have never had the opportunity to race. cuz theres a strong possibility ill eat my words. think ur cars gonna own all? go do it and stop insulting other peoples tastes.

Oh yeah....

Should I post that video of the Trans Am SPANKING the 600 RWHP Supra???


And I can post one of a Supra smoking a Trans AM, then you'll post one of another car beating that Supra, then I'll post one of a Japanese or Euro car beating that Domestic, and so on and so forth till the forum runs outa bandwidth.

Any car can be made to go fast, thats beating a dead horse. The thing is, the Europpean and Japanese ones do it with style.

blah blah all this crap about number of cylinders...

no cylinders> any number of cylinders

This topic is pointless but i must point out that Vettes are really not that expensive. I bought an 89 for 8000. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/679272
mines been fixed up but is undergoing a dyno tune and computer reprogram. I must say that they are very high maintanance. What can i say,"The vette makes them wet." One more thing, it doesnt matter where the car is from as long as you like it. A lot of people have different tastes in cars, relegions, and in politics whatever the topic is there is an opinion. Whatever you like to make your cup of tea with is fine but stop playing the childish game of my car is better than yours.

my car is better then yours

my car is better then yours
UNhHH YAAAA my mines better :p

As said atleast 5 times before all motors can do somthing and most can make amazing power.

I really like everything I drive a honda total underdog can be made fast i've taken out build and bolt on 4/5/6/8s with my little honda its fun and peppy but i'd need to sink in some more to run with stock vettes.

And I can post one of a Supra smoking a Trans AM, then you'll post one of another car beating that Supra, then I'll post one of a Japanese or Euro car beating that Domestic, and so on and so forth till the forum runs outa bandwidth.

Any car can be made to go fast, thats beating a dead horse. The thing is, the Europpean and Japanese ones do it with
He's referring to Mecham's WS6, and trust me, you won't find a supra that is faster from a roll then that car. Take a WS6, punch it out to 402 cu. in., forge the internals, add a T80 turbo, and voila, SUPRA KILLER...

:rolleyes:


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