honda versus mustang

ok this is my question i have a 2000 civic hx(yeah i know it slow but keep reading) the reason that i bought this car is because it is the slowest civic with vtec. i was planning on trading out the engine that i have for a b16(which is the integra gsr). and i figured that would be the best way to go. but since i got this car i have gotten a new job that pays a lot more than what i was making which means that i can afford a much more expensive(and faster) car. like a mustang. what i wont to know is if i should keep the car that i have or should i get another car like a mustang or something else that is comparable.(if i save for like another year i could get a cobra). and also i know that in this forum you all are going to be leaning towards mustangs but if there is another car out there that gives me better handling and horsepower but is around the same money. give or take like five grand please tell me about it. thanks in advance for all the help

Z28, used 300ZX, 89-93 5.0 <with hella mods> just depends on what you wanna spend your money on

I would go for the z28 or the 87-93 mustang or maybe an older Trans AM

Save your money, and buy one of these:

http://www.netsnapshot.com/users/1143/images/O2lgnsCoBQIAAF7plgY_1143_2.pjpeg


Install a couple bolt ons, spray it with some lauging gas, and go kick some ass. You won't regret it. Anyways, these modular motors are capable of making alot of power, and the aftermarket support is getting better all the time. I vote for the Cobra, but I am a little biased. :)

I'd go for a z28, but thats just me. I'm not much of a Ford guy. Mustangs however are high performance cars, but you will get better handling with the wider made z28

you should go with the 87-93 5.0. they are the easy to modify and they are cheap. You could get a stroker that will walk all over those bow ties and cobras for less that 4 grand.

I'm a domesticish guy, but honestly, if you spend the difference between a civic hx and a camaro/mustang, on the civic, you'll be running harder through the curves than almost any mustang/camaro. But if you really wanna switch cars, go with the fox body mustang (5.0) or if you got enough, drop a 383 stroker in a trans am (any year), and go from there (tranny, rear-end, ect.).

I dont know, you will spend about the same on the honda as you will on an 87-93 stang, once you start to modify it there is no contest. I have raced many different honda, acura's ect, and have not had one give me a good run yet. The closest was an acura type r blowing giggle gas but that was only close thru a couple of gears. as for the chevys, they make great power but i would not touch anything older that a 95 (they seem like they fall apart after 100k) and I dont think that they handel as well as the mustangs.

How many G's do current model Mustangs pull on the skid pad??? Just curious...and would you have a link to that?

As for 4th gen Camaros falling apart, that's one person's opinion. Any car enthusiast knows that 80's 5.0's owned the street. Then the 4th gen Camaros came in and inherited the street wars dominance. Now that the Camaro is going on hiatus, and the Cobras are going to be S/C'd, Mustangs are going to have the upper hand again. It all depends on what your personal taste is. If you like one body style of one car better, and it's in your price range, get it. Make it your own and drive the hell out of it. That's what they're there for, fun.

My question is, why would you buy a car if you knew that you'd be trading it in relatively quickly in the first place? Why not just buy the car you wanted first?

actually i'm really dissapointed with the 305 5.0, my 83 GT has taken many a transam and cammaro from the eighties and i would deffinitly go with the 87-93 mustang, there are so many cheap mods its not even funny

i was not planning on trading in the car i was planning on trading the engine out for an integra gsr engine

The Integra GSR is a b18c. Swapped into a Civic should be mid to low 14's with only intake / exhaust. Mod from there and you have a lightweight screamer that handles good and is RELIABLE for a daily driver.

Definitely go with a v8, especially a mustang. They are so cheap, and extremely easy to modify(and i mean easy). I'd get a 94 up style, b/c they handle a hell of a lot better than a fox body. You can get a cobra,but they do cost more. they are worth it, though. check my sig out, with that little mods I am flying! Past 4500 rpm my exhaust setup is screaming so loud you'd think the engine is about to blow. oh yeah, i redline at 6800. A mustang is probably the best investement you'll make. Believe me! I raced a brand new Honda S2000, and smoked it. We hit 135 in no time(my car shuts off at 152, but is capable of going faster), and i was still in fourth gear. No offense dude, but Hondas just plain suck, time to move on up.

The only 'cheap' V8 car that will handle real good and handle even better with aftermarket suspension would be the '99+ Mustang Cobra, 32 valve DOHC all-aluminum V8, 5spd trans, and IRS Independent Rear Suspension - Not the live axel like they've had since then came out in '64. A higher winding V8, good looks, and IRS, its nice. But, 97+ LS1 Camaro/Firbirds will beat it in every measure of acceleration/distance. The new GT's are the quickest yet, but a SOHC motor and a live axel out back are kind of a turn-off. VR4's are nice, heavy but nice, very fast stock(0-60 mid to low 5's, 1/4 in mid 13's, top end like 160+), fast with simple mods (intake, exhaust, boost controller) there extremely fast, 300ZX Twin Turbo, 94+ Supra Turbo, You could build a 97-99 GSX Eclipse, with bolt ons it will run 11's. WRX can look real nice with a bodykit, BMW are sporty but not too fast. If your looking to spend $20k give or take, theres a lot of options, just drive as many as you can before you sign your name.

well i was thinking about a mustang, or maybe a wrx. but i really cant decide. i dont really care about luxury at all. the only thing i care about in a car. is speed,handling, and braking. thats it. nothing more. so that said and done which car do you think i should get. also i decided to save for like another 9 months which means i can spend as much as 30,000 dollars. so tell me your suggestions

How about a Mitsubishi EVO 7, there due here in late summer. They absolutely murder WRX's.

I got my SS for $26k, when it was four months old with 3k miles on it. You'd struggle to find something that will top an SS in more than one of those three characteristics for less than $30k. Keep in mind it wouldn't have to be an SS, a Z28 has the same powerplant in the LS1. Find one that's newer with low miles, and use the savings to mod it if you so choose. Start with the best powerplant you can find, regardless of what's wrapped around it. That will give you the best results. There will always be other's with built cars that can beat whatever you get, so don't sweat it. That's where the love of an enthusiast is at. Good luck with what ever you decide.:)

Originally posted by Envenomed
Definitely go with a v8, especially a mustang. They are so cheap, and extremely easy to modify(and i mean easy). I'd get a 94 up style, b/c they handle a hell of a lot better than a fox body. You can get a cobra,but they do cost more. they are worth it, though. check my sig out, with that little mods I am flying! Past 4500 rpm my exhaust setup is screaming so loud you'd think the engine is about to blow. oh yeah, i redline at 6800. A mustang is probably the best investement you'll make. Believe me! I raced a brand new Honda S2000, and smoked it. We hit 135 in no time(my car shuts off at 152, but is capable of going faster), and i was still in fourth gear. No offense dude, but Hondas just plain suck, time to move on up.

BULL SHITTTTT!!!!!!!...everyone SMART knows that the s2000 is an amazing car trust me i used to sell hondas i know for a fact that they are great cars in everyway..just because you may have beaten someone who can not drive well on a 1/4 mile doesnt mean they suck ...CONSIDERING THE S2000 IS NOT A FRIGGIN DRAG CAR YOU DUMBASS HICK ..ITS BASICALLY A DAILY DRIVEN TRACK CAR.THAT IS MADE TO GO IN CIRCLES AND TAKE CORNERS !!!!!!!..it has such a high redline for that reason because honda knew it would be using higher rpms most of the time for the track use where high rpms are needed not low end torque which is only needed at the beggining.
so i hate to burst your bubble but your ugly barely emission passing gas guzzler ugly piece of shit mustang would lose terribly to a s2000 if it were on a track it was designed for.you domestic people really need to open your eyes up and realize that imports are amazing cars ..shit i was raised around domestics but once i started learning about imports and what they are truely capable of and the craftsmanship of them i knew they were the car for me.. and havnet had any regrets.

He wouldn't only lose to an S2000 on the track. He'd lose to me driving my stock S2000 in the 1/4 mile. From the mods he has listed, I doubt he breaks 13's.

smoked bad? lol. He wasn't trying, or can't go above 5000rpm since the car isn't broken in yet. You top out at 152? The S2000 tops out higher.

Your in Fairbanks. Thats an easy choice, THE SUBARU. Get the WRX. Over here in England they are King. Well, the Skylines are, but the WRX is second.

look the stangs are the best way to go, but since they are muscle cars the insurance is high in these cars. look it dont matter if u drive a vi[er or a pinto,everyone is here fore a reason, to go faster. the old mustangs are very cheap and easy to get upgrades for id go for the stang

SELL YOUR CIVIC, BUY A CIVIC EX

With this EX you will have ABS brakes to stop, which is the first part of going fast. Ok, now get a Honda CRV block, which is a 2 liter block, then get a GSR or ITR head. Slap the 2 together and you can easily have a 13 second car with IHE. It wont cost as much as a Stang or Z28, it will also be cheaper on Insurance. IHE=Intake Headers Exhaust. A little tuning will help, maybe some ITR cams. Good Luck

What are you trying to buy a brand new car or used?

It's in everyones taste but I prefer Firebirds over Camaros. Camaro's look a little bland except the SS, and most things optional on Chevy vehicles are usually standard on a Pontiac. So depending what you buy (if its used) you'll usually end up with a better car on the inside if its a Pontiac. Formula's are cheaper then the Trans Am and they have the same power so thats a bird to look for.

Mustangs, what about that Mach I are they really making it? If you can't afford a new Cobra that might be a brand new car to consider waiting for, or a GTO.

Imports, well looks like people here have already mentioned some good cars so don't have to go there. Wouldn't know much to tell ya anyways.

what about the old mustangs, the 5.0s .some guy had ported 70's 302 headsand a 150 shot of tnt nitrous and he does 11.20 on the quarter mile , he also has JEpistons and an FRP X303 cam. total seal rings Clevite bearings and a high volume oil pump Canton 7-quart pan and and DDSgriddle for safety. this stuff also comes cheaper than what u will pay to change an engine or buy these parts for a new car if yall wanna see more check out the new MUSCLE MUSTANGS and FAST FORDS magazine.

just wait a couple more months and buy a 2003 cobra that will make you piss your pants.

Wait for a new evo VIII, starting at 29, high 12's stock, and there basically a rally car, so handlings not even a question. If you want a stang, wait another year or so and get the new model. personally if i had 30 grand to through out there i'd buy a supra. They're potential for horsepower is endless.

buy a mustang or camaro.2 of the best performance cars ever made.

Evo or WRX, trust me. Those cars are bad ass. I get smoked by them all the time over here. I saw a EVO dyno at 360bhp, that is awesome.

Anyone who writes in response to this question is of course going to be baised, the only real thing you can do is what you want. People can say Camaro SS, Fox Body Mustang, Trans-Am, and the list goes on. Just think about it. You can buy another car, fix up one while you cruise in the other. I've seen fast Mustangs, Trans-Ams, Camaro SS's, and Honda's. Just get what you like.

you want handling? speed? braking?

ok fine just get a motorcycle, any make of japanese motorcycle will do.

end of subject.


i know you're in alaska, but thats not my problem. :hehehe:

kidding... what about anything classic?


Classic muscle cars make great pets.
just about any make any model you can think of you can pick up for less than 8k if you search long enough.

engines are easy to mod, no smog, mega horsepower potiential...

even though my car isnt the best looking (check my profile deal) its the $5500 wonder. goes pretty quick too! gives most cars on the road a run for their money, when im done restoring it ill have about 15k into it, and it'll be a new car in and out. ill be some $5000 to $15000 ahead of the competition (meaning thats how much i DIDNT spend on my car i.e. 02 SS costs like 28k i'll have almost 13k on it)


but since you live in a artic region, and it snows i have to assume they put salt down on the roads so you can actuall drive on them? if so please whatever you do dont get a classic, i couldnt bear to think it would rust away. Or just keep the Civic as your daily, and get a classic cause we all know you probably wouldnt appreciate the gas milege! hahah 28mpg is nice than say my 14mpg (8 if i race something).


just my .14 cents

Nice car for a Nova:D

I have about 9k into my car, It runs high 11s, and when I get done with the rear suspesion up grade it will out handle a Ferrari.

I also have a Boss 302, so I do like classic cars Like yours, but for a daily driver the ol' carb is not your best choice, Heck with my stang going back and forth to work I fet about 22mpg, try that with a carbed 383:eek: My power output is not as strong as yours, but we all know that does not tell the whole story when it comes to racing.

Originally posted by duckhead4life
well i was thinking about a mustang, or maybe a wrx. but i really cant decide. i dont really care about luxury at all. the only thing i care about in a car. is speed,handling, and braking. thats it. nothing more. so that said and done which car do you think i should get. also i decided to save for like another 9 months which means i can spend as much as 30,000 dollars. so tell me your suggestions

If you go used its an easy choice, Supra Twin Turbo. If you go new theirs lots of choices, WRX, RSX, Celica GTS, or Mustang if you want a muscle car. You will lots of money left over to mod these cars also.

I'm really Nissan biased, so I'm gonna say 240sx w/ a SR20 swap...

Its what I'm planning on doing... It looks like its the cheapest/easiest way to get a quick sporty RWD car that handles really well... and its a Nissan, so it will be just as reliable, if not more so than a swapped Honda...

-Grendel

Honda, Mitsu, Nissan, Subaru all have good stuff, its all what your preference is. Yours is Nissan, but don't knock someone just because they like another. I like Fords, but really I like anything that looks good, performance really doesn't matter when it comes down to it for me.

240 with an SR20, I was going to do that, but then I got orders, so I guess I will have to settle with a RB26DETT, darn the bad luck:mad:

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Honda, Mitsu, Nissan, Subaru all have good stuff, its all what your preference is. Yours is Nissan, but don't knock someone just because they like another. I like Fords, but really I like anything that looks good, performance really doesn't matter when it comes down to it for me.

240 with an SR20, I was going to do that, but then I got orders, so I guess I will have to settle with a RB26DETT, darn the bad luck:mad:

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't knocking them for liking Honda... I actually like some Hondas, and have tons of respect the really fast ones...

Anyways... having to settle for an RB26? Poor you :p

So are you just gonna buy a Skyline, or swap an RB26 into something? Your Mustang perhaps :D I'm sure there is someone who can make it fit...

-Grendel

I can make it fit, that not the problem. It the power to money ratio that is the problem. I could half the amount of money in a 302 and have the same power out, hell a 2.7 stroker kit is 7grand, that does not include an machine work:eek:

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
I can make it fit, that not the problem. It the power to money ratio that is the problem. I could half the amount of money in a 302 and have the same power out, hell a 2.7 stroker kit is 7grand, that does not include an machine work:eek:

But when you open the hood, and there is a nice shinny RB26 sitting in a muscle car, some people will shit their pants... and thats all that matters :D

-Grendel

The new 350z is another option.

Ok dude, here you are gonna get opinions, and my dad said opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink but your own. So heres my opinion (I am sure to some it stinks)

Muscle cars= Torque!! Loud roar, good aftermarket in mustangs, but everyone has one, including me, high insurance, pour gas,

Imports= Great gas milage, cheap insurance, long life span, Highly customizable. TURBOS!!!

I like the opinion, if you want a used import car, Supra TT, My friend said he saw one take a Street bike from a 70-130MPH roll They are twin turboed and can be fixed up, plus look good.

If you want a domestic, cant go wrong with an 03 corba (if you can get one) Or an SS (what I am trying to get right now) My mustang is for sale, 2000, 32k $17k, $3k in mods, runs mid 13's

Just get what u want an forget everyone else.

man, if you want to get some real bang for the buck, I would really look into a 300ZX. 3grand for a 220 hp N/A, and 9 for a turbo

I really like domestics.. some day I will get a vette, but a 3z is a good bet. You could also pick up a C4 vette for about ten grand.

Go buy a cobra in 9 months and be more than satisfied, especially after driving a civic. Sounds like you don't know much about cars, so I wouldn't suggest that you get yourself into a big project building a car. Buy one that is fast and handles great, and then you won't have to do a bunch of mods to get it to perform. You could also buy a nice used vette for $30k. I personnally like mustangs over camero, I think stangs are a better every day driver and handle better. The best thing for you to do is to go drive all your possibilities, figure out how involved in modifying a car you want to get, and then decide what you like best. Its your money.

Well just to let you know GSR have b18:170hp. b16 has 160. And i can let you in on a lot of info on moding up a honda. Lets see camamro/trans am/mustang all 30,000 and once you are making 600 a month payments try modding them up. Or you can do an engine swap for 10,000 and be faster than those gas eating ponies. Heres what you do u say you have a civic. Buy a B18 motor(3000.00), give or take, throw that monkey in your light civic. Then mod it up. with headers/intake/v tec controller/exhaust and your running 14.1-13.8 all for under 10,000. Now you can get real sick and go internal or forced induction for another 5,000. and be in the 10sec range. I'd like to see a z28 pull 10sec with out going over 30,000. Theres no style with camaros and mustangs everyone has one and they all think they are real fast and they are not. also think about the long run even with a 13 sec honda you will still get good gas mileage. mod up a 5.0 or LS1 and say good by to gasoline they will get 8 miles to the gallon while a honda passes you on the drag strip pulling 30mpg

Hey Cool guy,

What's up with the F-body/Mustang bashing? Jealous...??? You sound like a run of the mill ricer...

I'd like to see a Honda do 10's while still getting 30mph and for less than 30 grand. That's a pretty tall order. I've got 27 invested in my car now, including initial price...

I have less than 26k for both of my cars. The Stang will run the 1/4 in low 11's, and so will my Skyline GTR:)

Getting 30 mpg isn't that impressive. I do that whenever I'm on the highway, averaging 30-31 mpg in sixth gear @75 mph @ 1600 rpms...

Those SS are awesome for that. Gotta give it to Chevy on that one:)

On the highway my Stang will get 25mpg, and the GTR 26-27mpg

Just would like to add I have 12.5k in my stang, and 12.8k into my GTR.

Yeah, maybe so, but your stable will whoop my ass any day :D .

My cars are pretty fast, but I pride myself on finding a good deal, more than there ability to push you back into the seat, but that is a pretty cool by-product:)

Yeah, that added bonus never hurts...

Originally posted by TRDcavalier__O
Well just to let you know GSR have b18:170hp. b16 has 160. And i can let you in on a lot of info on moding up a honda. Lets see camamro/trans am/mustang all 30,000 and once you are making 600 a month payments try modding them up. Or you can do an engine swap for 10,000 and be faster than those gas eating ponies. Heres what you do u say you have a civic. Buy a B18 motor(3000.00), give or take, throw that monkey in your light civic. Then mod it up. with headers/intake/v tec controller/exhaust and your running 14.1-13.8 all for under 10,000. Now you can get real sick and go internal or forced induction for another 5,000. and be in the 10sec range. I'd like to see a z28 pull 10sec with out going over 30,000. Theres no style with camaros and mustangs everyone has one and they all think they are real fast and they are not. also think about the long run even with a 13 sec honda you will still get good gas mileage. mod up a 5.0 or LS1 and say good by to gasoline they will get 8 miles to the gallon while a honda passes you on the drag strip pulling 30mpg

Oh wow. I want an economy car too! So I suppose the Lamborgini getting epa rating of 8/13 mpg is trash too? Some people perfer style and performance instead of economy car and gas miles.

Just get yourself a '99 and up Cobra. All you'd have to do is get a solid axle, preferably a 99+ from a GT because its better for drag racing and if you were to get an older 8.8 you'll need wheel spacers because it is shorter, unless your gonna road race which means more $$$ in beefing up the IRS than beefing up the 8.8. Thats what I did, I swapped with a guy that had an '01 GT 8.8, now I have 31 Spline Axles, Eaton Posi, and 4.56s in it. But the'03 Cobra's IRS is stronger than the '99 and '01 Cobra's IRS, but alsomore expensive ($35,000) because I've seen people putting slicks on the STOCK IRS and it holds up like the 'Vettes IRS. I've got bolt-ons an I'm running low 12s on BFG Drag Radials. Also I get 350 miles on a tank of gas with the 4.56s. On the highway in 5th driving at 70mph at 2800rpm.

Yeah sure the F-Bodies are faster, but remember, they have a 350 C.I.D motor whereas the Cobras have a 281.

Good Luck with your purchase!

HEY BRO---I WAS CURIOUS----I'm not trying to pick a fight with you------but I have an 01 cobra------with a K&n + C&L mass air meter, single bore ported throttle body, FR500 cylinder heads, custom superchip, 4:10 gears, JBA shorty headers, bassani x-pipe, FR500 exhaust system, & stock 5 speed Tranny-----and I drive from central jersey to Deer Park, L.I. (New York) very often 75 miles each way------and bro-------I don't usually spend much time in lower gears----mostly in 5th--------rarely going over 65mph------and I never get more than 260miles per whole tank--------I don't know bro------your 350miles per tank--------sounds like BS to me------especially----when you are running 4.56gears--------and NO 6 SPEED TRANNY lol

1 car for you to buy

"rx-7"

Originally posted by robslob
HEY BRO---I WAS CURIOUS----I'm not trying to pick a fight with you------but I have an 01 cobra------with a K&n + C&L mass air meter, single bore ported throttle body, FR500 cylinder heads, custom superchip, 4:10 gears, JBA shorty headers, bassani x-pipe, FR500 exhaust system, & stock 5 speed Tranny-----and I drive from central jersey to Deer Park, L.I. (New York) very often 75 miles each way------and bro-------I don't usually spend much time in lower gears----mostly in 5th--------rarely going over 65mph------and I never get more than 260miles per whole tank--------I don't know bro------your 350miles per tank--------sounds like BS to me------especially----when you are running 4.56gears--------and NO 6 SPEED TRANNY lol

My mistake, I get 330 miles on a tank. I don't know about your 260 on the tank, but its probably because you can't keep your foot off the gas.

I was checking with some other 2 other cobra owners----and the 4:56 gears + the stock 5 tranny-----bro----well, I still think your gas numbers are exaggerated. With a 6speed TTC, I'd give you the benefit of the doubt----but at that gear ration, stock tranny-----at 60mph---you have to be close to 2800rpms in 5th. With a 15.7 tank----just don't buy it bro-----and my Cobra is running pretty tight with no restrictions anywhere.:bandit:

Sorry, but I'm in 5th not in 4th when I'm cruising at 70 mph not 60 mph at 2800 RPM. I'm not sure what much more I can tell you, fact is I do get 330 mi. to the tank. Sorry if you don't wanna believe me.

It also could be that you have a C&L, Ported T/B, FR500 Heads and Chip, when I don't have those parts on my car. Meaning
MORE AIR=MORE FUEL.

Originally posted by shepworldwide
1 car for you to buy

"rx-7"


if you like rebuilding motors every 60 thousand miles

1) running 4:56 gears at 60mph and a stock 5speed tranny------does not get you at 2800 rpms-----thats a bold faced lie. I'm almost at that in 5th with my 4:10----I've even checked that out with my mustang tuner -----you are definetely blowing smoke.
2) My FR500 cylinder heads are more free flowing than your stock heads-----you may want to read about Ford's FR500 mustang; even more so---the fact that I have freer flowing heads + an aftermarket mass air meter-----will easily give me better mileage than your stock components. Thats not debatable----even more some----I have the same stock cams. Bro-----thats a nice dream---but very unlikely. Don't fool me----I know my tech.

Hmmmmmm 20K to buy a FAST car????

OK, Im going to go outside the box here and suggest another vehicle. Take 11K and buy yourself a 1991 GMC Syclone. Take the other 9K and hop it up and whamo! Your in the 11's. Now unlike the Honda's and Mustangs you will be running 11's ALL the time, not just at the track. The reason? AWD. No need to bolt on slicks. When was the last time a Honda ran 11's on radials???? Syclone's are true stoplight terrors!

If you could pull another 15K, buy the new 03 Cobra. 5.0 Magizine moded one with a new exaust, a K+N filter, bolted on some slicks and the SOB ran high 11's at the track. Thats sick shit. I gotta hand it to Ford for finnaly getting their heads out of their asses.

So when in the Hell is the New Charger coming out?? That new Hemi would go great in it. Anyone check out the SVT RAm with the 500hp V-10? Costs 50K but runs 12's...not bad for a truck.....looks like the Lightning is going to need a redo....... (not like they could even handle Syclones...)

Ven281,

How tall is your back tires? Its possible, I guess to get 24 on the highway, but I would think your back tires would have to be a slightly taller tire to bring the ratio down a bit. If you are getting that more power to you. I get about the same with my 302.