honda versus mustang

ok here is my problem. i have a 2000 civic hx(slow i know but keep reading). i bought the hx knowing that it is the slowest civic out there with vtec. because i knew that i was going to put in the b18 from gsr. but the problem is that i have gotten a new job that pays a hell of a lot more than what i was making. so now i can afford a much nicer car like a mustang. i was just wondering should i keep the car that i have now or should i go and trade it in on a mustang gt(or if i wait a little while and save for like another year i can afford the cobra). or should i get some other car that has high horsepower but is better than the mustang. as far as handling, horsepower and torque.

just dont get a mustang, fix up a 240sx for fun and then get sum other import sports car.maybe a acura nsx type s. tahts what i wanna do :)

a much nicer car? mustang? nicer? ....right.
and if by nice, you mean "extremely generic sports car"
if you want to buy something else, want nice, look into a subaru WRX, or a twin turbo RX-7. assuming you just want factory power to begin with...otherwise, keep the civic, drop a turboed b16b in it, and be happy roasting mustangs all day long.

if i was to get *ANY* mustang, it'd be a saleen. and it'd take a LOT to convince me not to get a 240sx or something and build the shit outta it.

it all depends, how much would you want to spend on a new car?
cuz remember, there are plenty of options out there too.

*wrx*wrx*wrx*wrx*wrx*wrx*wrx*wrx*wrx*wrx*wrx*wrx*w rx*wrx*wrx*wrx*


try a wrx.made by subaru.:D

Try an LT1(1993-1997) Camaro Z28 or SS. WAAAY faster, cooler, nicer and attractive than ANY Mustang out there! That's what I have, and I can guarantee you that you won't find another relatively new(new = 1990+) vehicle out there that's a better value with more potential, support, or performance options at low prices.

..or he could save up another 5 years or so, and get a REAL corvette..................

Originally posted by Self
Try an LT1(1993-1997) Camaro Z28 or SS. WAAAY faster, cooler, nicer and attractive than ANY Mustang out there! That's what I have, and I can guarantee you that you won't find another relatively new(new = 1990+) vehicle out there that's a better value with more potential, support, or performance options at low prices.

I'd buy a Vett, but it has to be an old school one that looked like the older 280z's. and has the small round tail lights with the little chrome accent's.

Originally posted by duckhead4life
ok here is my problem. i have a 2000 civic hx(slow i know but keep reading). i bought the hx knowing that it is the slowest civic out there with vtec. because i knew that i was going to put in the b18 from gsr. but the problem is that i have gotten a new job that pays a hell of a lot more than what i was making. so now i can afford a much nicer car like a mustang. i was just wondering should i keep the car that i have now or should i go and trade it in on a mustang gt(or if i wait a little while and save for like another year i can afford the cobra). or should i get some other car that has high horsepower but is better than the mustang. as far as handling, horsepower and torque.

I'm in your same position of having got a job that pays a hell of alot more than the old one, but the first thing that came to my mind was TURBO and alot of BOOST for my car :devil: i plan on building the hell out of my current car and getting a rx7 or s2000

Personally I don't like many American cars (Ford, GM, Mercury) the looks are exciting to me.

My picks:
Subaru WRX
Subaru WRX STi (available 2003)
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII
Acrua RSX Type S
Lexus IS300
BMW 330Ci
2000 or 1998 Integra Type R

Builder cars:
240SX SR20ET
Civic hatchback with B18C & add LSD
your civic with B18C & add LSD
Mazda Miata with a JRSC

IMO i'd much rather have a builder car. i don't have much money and this is why my car is in a pause. but if you have the funds, and want to feel good about your self - get a builder car. something that is an accomplishment. such as a 70hp civic cx hatch. throw a decent motor in there, build the motor, turbo, some wild body work. and bam. you got a quick ass show car.

if i bought a car that had a lot of power and good looks stock, it'd just be to have fun with. i'd much rather make a car faster myself. and be proud to build something.

oh.. and mustang = NO

keep it import.

IMO opinion I'd go with a mid 90's RX7 Turbo or same Year Toyota Supra Turbo....those are my two dream cars which currently are out of my reach (high insurance rates)

If I were you I'd get an M3, or if you can't afford it get a 330ci.

Whatever you do, keep the civic if you can as a builder car. Keep it to play with and learn on. Do what you want with it a little at a time, with the knowledge that you have a bimmer to drive away in at any given moment. Just my .02

Mustang? :apuke:

Mid 90s RX7 :angel:

I say WRX or Supra TT. Supra TT has more hp than a cobra and looks a helluva lot better imo.

I have to agree on the WRX or Supra Twin-Turbo.

I've driven the WRX. I've also driven the Mustang Cobra. I'd pick the WRX any day. It handles much better, has a decent amount of power, will generally be more reliable... and there is tons of mod potential on them.

The Supra will be faster than the mustang in almost every way, before and after mods.

I don't like Mustangs because everybody has one. And nobody really notices whether its a GT, Roush, or Saleen. I'd go with a builder car because all the work you do reflects your personality and if you do crazy enough stuff, nobody else has it.

It depends on just how much more you are getting paid. If it is enough to buy a new car in the range of 20-25,000 dollars, Id lean towards building up the old Civic. If its enough to buy something in the 30,000+ range, Id buy a new S2000 without hesitation. Of course, thats just my personal opinion.

Then again, your car isn't everything. (Here's where I'm starting to show my age.) You could do the responsible thing and save as much as you can for a house or something...

Thats not nearly as much fun! :D

Mustangs are not great cars. 2 of my friends have them, and after they both hit the 20,000 mile mark they started getting problems, including an annoying squeak. Ford cars just arent quality. I'd stick with an import.



I've always been a fan of the 300zx (90-96). Its a really nice, stealthy car, nice interior, a lot of power to begin with, and have the possibility of even more after slapping a dual turbo on it like most of you have probably seen in magazines...

dude, dont get a mustang...you have to be kidding calling that a nice car...

if you want a "nice" car i agree with these guys..go for a s2000, supra tt...something that no one has. i have to disagree on the wrx though..it looks so pussy next to the old 2.5rs..it just doesnt do it for me. that engine looks like a nice deal..but it looks like the rs got raped by a new beetle...

even like a jetta 1.8T is a sweet ride..audi TT...ANYTHING BUT A MUSTANG!!

my personal choice would be a VW GTi VR6. hellfuckinyeah it would. thats what i'll be getting, assuming i ever get rid of the hatchie :D

You guys are phycho. WHY would you buy a used RX7 or Supra TT???? turbo, milage, who knows how long it has been beaten on?

Save up for the newest rendition of SVT's Cobra. 390hp supercharged 4.6L. You know people are gonna be messin' with the supercharger and boosting it more than stock. It has ALOT more potential than a Honda Civic or Volkswagen Jetta of all cars to mention. WRX's are pretenders to the real performance market. Sooner or later, the 4 more cylinders a cobra has will catch up, considering that the cars are tuned equally as possible.

Think about this.. 390hp, gobs of torque, 6spd, warranty or... 170hp, hybrid, pain to drive, when it breaks... too bad.

Don't listen to this "oh its another Mustang.." crap. Do you guys realize that everyone else is saying "oh its just another Honda"?

Don't call it a gas guzzler. It's gonna get 22-25mpg.. what does a tuned B-series get? 22-25mpg.

Send him off on the right way, where performance is cheap and real. Instead of messing around with 1.8L motors that get crappy mod gains and require a turbo to even be fast, which is a pain in itself.

Good luck w/ a Mustang or F-body, you're gonna love it. Burn a few Civics for me, and take some pictures of your smile after you've done your first block-blanketing burnout. Please. I'll make it my icon.



please flame me cuz i'm the only one who will stand up for V8's.. I need entertainment

Id still go with an S2000 over the Mustang!

V8's suck and so do you CivicSiGuy! What kind of moderator are you, how can you even consider yourself a Purehonda member! Traitor, just wait until my d16 is turbocharged, Ill be smoking Vipers on 6psi, and then just wait until I up the boost to 12-15psi, Ferrari's see ya! Then, once I build the engine, Ill be boosting upwards of 20psi and runnin' Juan Montoya's F1 piece of crap. And I will do all of this for under 10 grand, and my car will run for 200,000 miles...now thats the power of Honda, what can your car do!?

Bitch.

Originally posted by CivSiGuy
You guys are phycho. WHY would you buy a used RX7 or Supra TT???? turbo, milage, who knows how long it has been beaten on?

Save up for the newest rendition of SVT's Cobra. 390hp supercharged 4.6L. You know people are gonna be messin' with the supercharger and boosting it more than stock. It has ALOT more potential than a Honda Civic or Volkswagen Jetta of all cars to mention. WRX's are pretenders to the real performance market. Sooner or later, the 4 more cylinders a cobra has will catch up, considering that the cars are tuned equally as possible.

Think about this.. 390hp, gobs of torque, 6spd, warranty or... 170hp, hybrid, pain to drive, when it breaks... too bad.

Don't listen to this "oh its another Mustang.." crap. Do you guys realize that everyone else is saying "oh its just another Honda"?

Don't call it a gas guzzler. It's gonna get 22-25mpg.. what does a tuned B-series get? 22-25mpg.

Send him off on the right way, where performance is cheap and real. Instead of messing around with 1.8L motors that get crappy mod gains and require a turbo to even be fast, which is a pain in itself.

Good luck w/ a Mustang or F-body, you're gonna love it. Burn a few Civics for me, and take some pictures of your smile after you've done your first block-blanketing burnout. Please. I'll make it my icon.



please flame me cuz i'm the only one who will stand up for V8's.. I need entertainment

heck no dude... you're not the only one that will stand up for American Power and V8's.... there is nothing better then the roar of a V8's exhaust.

My best friend drives a 94' Camaro Z28 and he's done some modding too it.. my favorite of which being his Borla Exhaust system that sounds soooo freaking awesome. Damn 4-banger sounding like a massive bumble bee flying by... My friends car came stock with 285hp, and he's now up and over 350hp with only a couple of mods.

I wanted to buy an older Camaro or Mustang but then I realized I don't make enough money for the freaking insurance, but hey, I'm happy with my 2002 Civic and I do still plan on modding the hell out of it once mods are available....

However, in about 2 years I'll be graduating college with a degree and should be making over $60,000 a year... at which time I WILL DEFINITELY BUY AN AMERICAN V8 POWERED RICEROASTING MACHINE, but if I do make enough money I'll most likely keep the Civic and just make it a project car.

whats the moral of this thread?........no one like mustangs!!!!!! :flipa: lmao! at least in this side of the forum....see if u go to the mustangs of fords or w/e bullcrap that is.....then u will get positive responses to the mustangs.....but personally i thik u should go with the WRX.....simply because its better.....:D :flipa:

Originally posted by tboyer

at which time I WILL DEFINITELY BUY AN AMERICAN V8 POWERED RICEROASTING MACHINE,

may I suggest the Chevy SSR sportstruck to you :D

Originally posted by piscorpio
Id still go with an S2000 over the Mustang!

V8's suck and so do you CivicSiGuy! What kind of moderator are you, how can you even consider yourself a Purehonda member! Traitor, just wait until my d16 is turbocharged, Ill be smoking Vipers on 6psi, and then just wait until I up the boost to 12-15psi, Ferrari's see ya! Then, once I build the engine, Ill be boosting upwards of 20psi and runnin' Juan Montoya's F1 piece of crap. And I will do all of this for under 10 grand, and my car will run for 200,000 miles...now thats the power of Honda, what can your car do!?

Bitch.

:biggrin2: :hehehe: As sarcastic as you are being, I'm seriously surprised that some uneducated one hasnt already come along and said that and been serious.

Ya, I thought the finish was a nice touch too. :D

I actually have absolutely nothing against Mustangs, I loved the old 5.0's back in the day, then they changed in 94ish, and I hated em'. Now they actually seem decent again. Thing is, Ive always heard they have a less than stellar track record as far as reliability and longevity, but I wouldnt know enough about the new ones to speculate on that.

My personal preference actually has little to do with Honda loyalty, I just like compact cars. I can't see myself in a V8 behemoth, and even less in an SUV *shudder*. Of course, while we are talking about V8's, I wouldn't mind the nice supercharged one in the Shelby Series 1. :D

Originally posted by dreemkill
..or he could save up another 5 years or so, and get a REAL corvette..................



A Camaro isn't supposed to be a Corvette. But like you're implying, it is a similar car, but what you're paying for with the Vette is the name and the history behind it.

ehh id still go with any LS1 over that 4.6l cobra

A Corvette is more than just for the history isn't it???

Someone correct me if Im wrong, but isnt the suspension and wieght different as well. Thats not just a minor thing either.

extremely similar styled car (uncanny), made by the same company, and cheaper.....marketing standpoint alone, i think its safe to say........well, anyway.. im not gonna get into an arguement about camaros.. get a NOVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my friend has an older 'stag (the "boxy" looking ones) with a 351 Winsor in it...and like, 12 grand worth of engine work.. my brother said he stomps on the gas, and the car instantly turns sideways. not saying a stang isnt strong/cant be strong or whatever.. but...personally i dont like them.
too "generic" of a sports car..i think they are just too big..i like smaller cars.

Originally posted by Self


A Camaro isn't supposed to be a Corvette. But like you're implying, it is a similar car, but what you're paying for with the Vette is the name and the history behind it.

Originally posted by piscorpio
A Corvette is more than just for the history isn't it???

Someone correct me if Im wrong, but isnt the suspension and wieght different as well. Thats not just a minor thing either.

Correct. It isn't however that much more of a performance vehicle in the terms of the quarter-mile though. A 13.4 for an SS vs. a 12.9 for a C5...Not that huge of a difference.

Originally posted by dreemkill
extremely similar styled car (uncanny), made by the same company, and cheaper.....marketing standpoint alone, i think its safe to say........well, anyway.. im not gonna get into an arguement about camaros.. get a NOVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my friend has an older 'stang (the "boxy" looking ones) with a 351 Winsor in it...and like, 12 grand worth of engine work.. my brother said he stomps on the gas, and the car instantly turns sideways. not saying a stang isnt strong/cant be strong or whatever.. but...personally i dont like them.
too "generic" of a sports car..i think they are just too big..i like smaller cars.



Personally I HATE Mustangs. In my area at least, there are entirely TOO MANY OF THEM! From V6's to Saleens, I litereally see at least 10 of them every time I get on the road! And as far as Camaro's go, once again, here at least, they're not very common. Especially V8 Camaro's. My old Camaro(some of you remember me having it when I was on the old ph)would roast the tires in third if I punched it from 50. The aftermarket support for the Camaro is almost unparalled and as with most V8's, you get a lot more for your money than you do with an import motor. Good example of this is with the i/h/e bolt-ons. For a typical I4 Honda motor, you would see gains in the 10 hp range. In a Z28, with less money you would see anywhere from 35 - 50 hp. And the parts are just plain cheaper. But yes, in the end, I think this all comes down to exaclty how much more you are making.

Is it just me or is a guy driving a Civic Hatchback calling ANYTHING "generic" funny? "My K-mart clothes make your Walmart clothes look tacky!"

As far as Mustangs... 03 Cobra+pulley=mid 400s hp, bullet proof 6 speed. Good brakes... Suspension's okay, but not great though... Love it or hate it. The f-bodies are very fast and cheap, but there's a reason why their aren't all that many around.

The other suggestions in this thread are pretty good also.

how much money do you have to spend?

i dont believe ive personally attacked you, but im glad you have the gaul to do it to me.
by generic, i mean, people buy them because... its a "sports car"
without perhaps looking for something less common. imo, a "sports car" isnt something you drive to the local ford dealership to buy....a real sports car comes off a boat from italy or something..perhaps it could be called a "muscle car" (mustang) but even that to me is stretching it....i like to leave that lable open for badassified NOVAs and Chevelles.....and OLD (nice) mustangs. old mustangs are nice as hell, i was actually looking into getting one (elderly friend of the family, BRAND NEW condition..it was like, a 65 or something)
hell my friends mom drives a new mustang.....guarentee you that she doesnt even know what a horsepower IS, she just wanted a "sports car"
hey asshole, what exactly am i driving? a generic small car with a cargo area that gets impecable gas milage.........? k, thought so.

Originally posted by Someguy
Is it just me or is a guy driving a Civic Hatchback calling ANYTHING "generic" funny? "My K-mart clothes make your Walmart clothes look tacky!"

As far as Mustangs... 03 Cobra+pulley=mid 400s hp, bullet proof 6 speed. Good brakes... Suspension's okay, but not great though... Love it or hate it. The f-bodies are very fast and cheap, but there's a reason why their aren't all that many around.

The other suggestions in this thread are pretty good also.

Guys no need for hostility......everyone has there own opinion but heres some facts for you guys.

1: a real sports car doesn't have a solid axle ie: mustangs have solid axles like the camaros, corvettes have independent rear axles which classifies them as sports cars...even the nsx has a independent rear.

2: The insurance agencies classify mustangs as sports car based only upon the Horsepower

Here read this I pulled this off of a website.

Sports Cars—Facts

There are 36 model lines of sports cars for sale on the U.S. market this year.

So what exactly is a sports car? Is it a compact open-seater with no luggage space and a raspy exhaust note? Or is it a sleek and powerful 200-mph exotic? Depending on whom you ask, you may find it's both, or neither.
Generally speaking, sports cars are performance-oriented cars targeted at auto enthusiasts. They're typically 2-door coupes or convertibles with powerful engines, sport-tuned suspensions and sleeker body styles.

That said, the essence of sports cars is not really within a particular body style or drivetrain configuration, but more in what they do for the driver.


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Originally posted by Self


Correct. It isn't however that much more of a performance vehicle in the terms of the quarter-mile though. A 13.4 for an SS vs. a 12.9 for a C5...Not that huge of a difference.

Dude in the Drag Racing world that is a big diffrence in 1/4 mile time.

Originally posted by dreemkill
i dont believe ive personally attacked you, but im glad you have the gaul to do it to me.


I'm not trying to attack you or some sort of internet pissing contest. Its just that your comments struck me as funny and I satired them. Calm down.

by generic, i mean, people buy them because... its a "sports car"
without perhaps looking for something less common.

Yeah, a lot of people do. A lot of people buy Integras, RSXs, 240sx's, and every other "sporty" car for the same reason. Most people in this world aren't car enthusiests, but a lot of them want "nice" cars.

imo, a "sports car" isnt something you drive to the local ford dealership to buy....a real sports car comes off a boat from italy or something..perhaps it could be called a "muscle car" (mustang) but even that to me is stretching it.

Whatever is a sports car and whatever is a muscle car to you is fine with me. I don't consider a sub 200 hp, fwd car a sports car, but a lot of other people do.


hey asshole, what exactly am i driving? a generic small car with a cargo area that gets impecable gas milage.........? k, thought so.


Damn, you sure told me. Didn't mean to step on the 3 door extension of your manhood.

1: a real sports car doesn't have a solid axle ie: mustangs have solid axles like the camaros, corvettes have independent rear axles which classifies them as sports cars...even the nsx has a independent rear.

The Cobra has had an independent rear suspension since 99. But at the same time look at Trans-Am and many World Challenge cars... Live axles but they will run circles around most anything in their power/weight class on a road course.

Well it looks like everyone's said thier peace on the matter and we're heading into the Street Racing forum territory. Thank you :)