Timing question?

Last weekend my car staled. I pushed it home and when i checked it out. I saw that the (I think thats what it is called) rotor inside the dizzy was loose. The little screw had gone loose and thats why i am gussing why my rex staled. My questions are the following. Did the timing get messed up? If so How can i get it back to the correct timing?? also i have noticed that the cam gears are not sitting exactly the same. Meaning that the little arrow that says "top" on both cam gears, itsnt pointing the same way. But what i have looked the cam gear closest to the exaust is one tooth off of the other cam gear. Hopefully u guys can understand me. thanks for any help!!!

ok, the rotor wont screw up timing, just fix that, and if your t-belt jumped a tooth on you cam gears, then yes you need to rest the motor to TDC and re do the t belt and timing.

ok. noe i know the rotor won mess up the timing. now how do i do the rest? I know how to set the TDC. Once i set that how to i set the cam gears???

should be two marks on each of the cam gears. line them up across. theres a trick to getting it all lined up and the belt tight. im sure you figure it out. if no i went into detail pretty well a few days ago in a different thread, seach back a few pages to find other topic on timing.

thanks let me search and see what i can do

do i have to remove the lower timing belt cover to gain acces to the belt tentioner?? if so how do i remove it??

no you dont have to remove the lower cover, theres a access hole for the bolt towards the top of the lower cover. its a 14mm socket to loosen it.

oh ok let me go at it and we what comes up thanks for the help

So u would just have to loosen the tensioner and slide the belt off completely to reset the cams or just remove the the one thats off and reset that one?

ok i when and did everything u guys told me to do. i set the TDC. Then i loosend the tentioner to take off the timing belt. I reseted the cams, by aligning the little hash marks all across. Also the arrows the cam gears have were pointing up. Then i put everything back together and started her up. Damn thing sounds good while its just sitting there idling. I could rev it up to 6 rpms and not problems, But when i went to take it for a spin as soon as i hit 3-4 rpms the car started jerking back and forth. If i shifted to second it would go fine then it would do that again. :mad: Could it be that i did something wrong?? Because it never did that before i reseted the timing. I called my friend that is showing me everything i need to know about motor swaps. He told me that its a electrical problem. That most likely its the dizzy that is going bad. What do u guys think??? Thanks for the help!!

ya could be a bad ignitor, could also just need a tune up.

Yeah cuz a while back when i had him put a new head on b20. He did a complete check on it and said that it was going bad. That he would recommend replacing the ignitor. When giving the dizzy a tune up, What should i replace??

change the fuel filter, plugs + wires, dizzy cap and rotor

ok I replaced the fuel filter yesterday. Im going to just wait for the auto parts to open and i going to buy everything else. thanks for the help!

no problem

I had a similar problem @3-4k and new plugs & wires cleared it up.

well i went yesterday and baught the ignitor yesterday and i am going to install it today. Im just waiting for the auto parts store to open so i could buy new plugs and wires for it too. ill post later to see what happened.

damn thing!! i put the new ignitor and new plus and wires. I went to start it and it didnt start. I checked it and it has no spark. What could be wrong?? I out the old ignitor back on and it didnt turn on. damn thing is pissing me off!! now its trowing a code 15 (ignition output signal). Does anyone know a link to a wiring diagram for that ignitor?? im pretty sure that i put the wires like they go but i wanna double check..

damn thing!! i put the new ignitor and new plus and wires. I went to start it and it didnt start. I checked it and it has no spark. What could be wrong?? I out the old ignitor back on and it didnt turn on. damn thing is pissing me off!! now its trowing a code 15 (ignition output signal). Does anyone know a link to a wiring diagram for that ignitor?? im pretty sure that i put the wires like they go but i wanna double check..

What about the coil?

Call me stupid.... but which one is the coil??

Call me stupid.... but which one is the coil??

It's in the distributor. The bigger square thing. The ignitor is the smaller square thing (on the bottom of dizzy when mounted... coil on top)...

i which one is the ignitor. So the coil is the one that is holded down by like four phillips head screws right? its also the one that sit right on top of the dizzy what its mounted correct?? if it is that can i buy that in a autoparts?? u know how much it cost??

I'd check a junkyard first cuz autoparts stores don't always have an exact copy of that part. I went to Advance Auto and they charge $90 for the ignitor and it doesn't even bolt up the same so I took it back and went to a junkyard and it still didn't work... had to get a whole new distributor (but was under warranty).

Well i went to autozone here in california and the ignitor bolted on perfectly i got it for $70. They are asking $210 for the new dizzy. I think that is what i am going to do because i am tired of going to all kinds of junk yards and nothing. Cant even find a dizzy that i need.

Take that ignitor back and get your money back first.

It's probably ur coil... i did a tune up on my accord and it ran great for 5min then it just shut off. The coil is the black box with the spring on it. Do this test if you have no spark... take the 2 wires off the coil and hook them to a low watt bulb. Crank the engine and if the bulb flashes then the ignitor is good and the coil is shot. I tried it and replaced the coil and bam, fired right up.

ok let me go try that before i go and buy a new dizzy

It's probably ur coil... i did a tune up on my accord and it ran great for 5min then it just shut off. The coil is the black box with the spring on it. Do this test if you have no spark... take the 2 wires off the coil and hook them to a low watt bulb. Crank the engine and if the bulb flashes then the ignitor is good and the coil is shot. I tried it and replaced the coil and bam, fired right up.

ok this is what i did i took the two wires that leading to the coil, unsrewed them from the coil and attached a bulb to them.( i had checked already if the bulb work and it did) I cranked the engine and nothing happened. So basically its the damn ignitor right?? im thinking i got a defective ignitor.

ok this is what i did i took the two wires that leading to the coil, unsrewed them from the coil and attached a bulb to them.( i had checked already if the bulb work and it did) I cranked the engine and nothing happened. So basically its the damn ignitor right?? im thinking i got a defective ignitor.

Oh man, I just got one good laugh... How are you going to start the car if the wires for the ignitor are hooked up to a light bulb instead of your distributor? LMFAO!

maybe you meant you turned the key and the bulb didn't light up... oh man, I hope that's what you meant...

lol i know its funny and that is what i meant, i know the car wasnt going to turn on.

okay, so are you going to exchange the ignitor? Hopefully you'll get running soon...

You have a B20 right? I'd be going crazy spending every second trying to get it up and running...

So finally i got a new dizzy. Now it wont even start. damn thing!! I checked the fuel pressure and now it has spark. When i go to start it, it just cranks and backfires just a little bit. what could it be?? i dont think it is the timing is it??

could be timing. when u installed the dizzy, did you make sure it was lined up correctly?


try this, pull the plugs and set the engine to TDC.. make sure the T Belt hasnt jumped teeth. then take the dizzy and pull the cap off and make sure when u install it the contact point on the rotor is facing down and toward the firewall (toward the #1 plug). it sounds like you have it 180* backwards which would cause the backfire (its trying to fire while the exhaust valves are open)

ummmmm no. and i figured it was that. Now how do i line it up correctly?? and after it is lined up correctly do u recommend me to reset the TDC and reset the cams??

i edited the post to include some directions

ok i got it let me try that and ill post to see what happend. Im pretty sure that is what is wrong. Hey thanks lot for your help ok

anytime, glad i could help.

ok here we go again!@! now i have no spark. Damn it!! i checked the coil and it is fine and so it the ignitor. It seems that the spark doesnt go beyond the dizzy cap, for sum odd reason. I bought the cap, the rotor and the dizzy new yesterday and still nothing. Could it be something with the wiring that leads to the dizzy?? I am really frustrated here guys!! I swear that if i hadnt put so much money into this car i would of took it to the junk yard already!! I am trying to contact the guy who did the swap for me and i cant find him. any help is greatly appreciated!!

how old are the plugs and wires?

the plugs are new and the wires are like a month old

hmm...youve check all the fuses and relays?? inspect the cap and rotr again for signes of any defedts... maybe you bought a defective one??

yeah i have checked everything.. Im about to go and look for the guy that did my swap and most likely he will come and get it to start. Ill post later to see what happened

Any luck? This really sucks man. I know the feeling.

ok.. I brought my friend "mario" to check my car out. He is like this know it all honda guy. after checking it all he told me that the dizzy if defective. that i should go get a new one. since i have a life time waranty on the one i have i just have to go gt a new one and put it in and he said it will turn on. So tomorrow its back to the autoparts store.....lol just to brag...lol my friend mario has a 93 hatchback with a ls vtec turbo, running 12.28 in the quarter mile. He has now fully built everything and i mean everything!! he said he is going to boost it up to 20lbs and see what he can get out of it. he said most likely he is going to hit the 10's i am going to go with him when he goes to the track and ill try to put a video in here ok so stay tuned

ok here we go again!! i went and got a new dizzy, since i had lifetime waranty. so i instaled it and it turn on right away!! but (and the pronlems dont stop) when i am driving and i go like at 3-4 rpms the car starts jerking back and forth really fast.. it does that in every gear.. if i just rev it at a dead stop it wont do anything, it only does it when i am driving. What could it be??

Finally!!! to bring a close to ths tread, after like a near heart attack....lol. The jerking of the car was solved by adjusting the clutch cable. Now its running like a charm!! Thanks to everyone for your help and input to my problem.

awsome im glad you fixed it.

about time but its there!!

now stop breaking shit