I have a dillemma!! (HELP)

Okay, here goes:

I am replacing my current non-VTEC SOHC LX motor. I currently have two choices, both of which I can afford, including install, but not much further.

I have a choice between a) a JDM SirII b16a for $2,350.00 or b) a JDM b18c for $3,300.00. I'm looking at these engines from www.hondamotors.com.

My dillemma is this: should I buy the slightly (180HP VS 170HP, and 126TQ VS 113TQ) more powerful b18 for a thousand more, or should I just buy the b16 for a thousand less and use the extra grand to modify it? Keep in mind, if I buy the b18, I really won't be able to afford to modify it beyond an intake and exhaust. At least not right now.

If you're gonna vote, I request you give me a comment.

personally id go with the b18c

Originally posted by 1995HondaCivic
personally id go with the b18c

ditto :D

Originally posted by 1995HondaCivic
personally id go with the b18c

Me too, but with the extra grand, I can basically go with a modified ECU, intake, headers, full exhaust (utilizing part of the exhaust I already have on the car), throttle body, Iridium spark plugs and plug wires. All these mods will make the b16 essentially faster than the the b18 with only an intake and exhaust...at least in the beginning. To modify the b18 this much, I'd have to wait a few more months.

whatever comes out to be the best engine in ur opinon now matter how long u have to wait to mod. whatever the better end product is :)

btw what kind of wheels are those on ur car :)

Originally posted by silvercivicgrl
whatever comes out to be the best engine in ur opinon now matter how long u have to wait to mod. whatever the better end product is :)

btw what kind of wheels are those on ur car :)

Thanks for the advice, and those are 18-inch Racing Hart C2's on my best friend's car. He calls it the Green Lantern:D.

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


Thanks for the advice, and those are 18-inch Racing Hart C2's on my best friend's car. He calls it the Green Lantern:D.

ohh thats what i thought they were. i am sooo jealous i want them.... :jump:

Originally posted by silvercivicgrl


ohh thats what i thought they were. i am sooo jealous i want them.... :jump:

He's thinking of selling them. He wants to go all-out show with 19's and a custom wide-body kit.

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


He's thinking of selling them. He wants to go all-out show with 19's and a custom wide-body kit.

damn someones got some dinero......lol
if he sold them they'd still be too expensive for me i want the 16s too

I'd go with the B16A.

cuz for the $1000 you save, you can get a used crank, rods, ITR pistons and ITR camshafts and have yourself a B18C5 on the cheap.

Originally posted by drift
I'd go with the B16A.

cuz for the $1000 you save, you can get a used crank, rods, ITR pistons and ITR camshafts and have yourself a B18C5 on the cheap.


Hmmmmmm, good point drift. HMO has some of those for sale cheap. You think I should with the ITR or CTR pistons?

Originally posted by 1995HondaCivic
personally id go with the b18c

Id go with that if your gonna run turbo with decent boost

get the b18c...no question

B18c, you might reget getting a b16a later, since you have enough money for a b18c, get the b18c

Yea man...b18 all the way. It's just money...you'll get more of it later.

Okay. A B16a would be a slightly easier swap. It would also give you the money to do all-new exhaust and intake, which you will need before you even start your car with either one of these engines.

However, a B16a is limited in how far it can be modified, compared to the B18c.

If you're planning on building up either one of these engines significantly past stock (replacing internals), I wouldn't buy one from honda directly. Pull one from a totaled car and save yourself at least a thousand bucks. Plus, it'll make the install a lot more fun, knowing you've built up and restored the engine yourself. :)

I'd go with the B18c.... but don't go pushing it hard until you've got an exhaust at-or-above spec for a 'teg GS-R! The little straw of an exhaust on a stock civic LX will put enough backpressure on that engine to blow gaskets out!

Originally posted by Marasmus

I'd go with the B18c.... but don't go pushing it hard until you've got an exhaust at-or-above spec for a 'teg GS-R! The little straw of an exhaust on a stock civic LX will put enough backpressure on that engine to blow gaskets out!

Actually, I already have a 2.25 inch custom re-pipe coming out of an APEXi exhaust.

hey carnutt is your apexi the n1? cause if it i have the same setup

Why doesnt that link work for me? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Is the price $3,300 + shipping ?

Hey. I say go with the B-18. Basicly the better your platform the more effective mods like intake headers and a cat back will be. You obvoisly have some flow in order to do the swap in the first place. so basicly , unless you lose your job, (knock on wood) you'll always have a steady flow. Unless your on some kind of time limit, the B-18's future mods can wait. As they say "Pacientce is a virtue." (agh! Dam my spelling sucks. But you get the point.) :licker:

dont forget about insurance costs... would the insurance be cheaper if u dropped the b16a in the car compared to dropping the b18c in?
i'd go b18c, like Rein said, its only money and you'll get more of it later

People...

I finally figured it out. I found out that I can get a Frankenstein b20/b16head for about the same price or even cheaper than I can get the b18. Guess what I'm going with;). It'll just take a little longer for the install.

As a disclaimer, although this is what I've decided so far, I won't get the funds to do it till the first week of June. A lot of things can happen in a month, so stay tuned.

P.S. Thanks for everybody's advice so far:D...

Your link is not working for me either.:bloated:

Good choice carrrnut. The b20 block is a really strong block to work with. you're going to get a good compression out of the b16 head on there.
For cams, I personally recommend CTR cams, because I heard they're more aggressive than ITR cams. And while they're installing the head try to get some JDM ITR pistons installed, and get that b16 head modded, port and polish and get titanium retainers with dual valve springs... That way you can rev up to 10,000 RPM and take advantage of that port and polish and cam set. Don't take the gears up to 10,000 rpm, maybe 9000 at the most, like the Type R's.

Oh yeah and check out this site guys...
www.jdmhondaparts.com
They have b18c swap for 3300, and they have an h22 swap for 2500 full.
They also offer conversion kits JDM, and all kinds of other stuff.
That's who I'm gonna call to get an H22 swap when I get an Integra.

his link is supposed to be www.hondamotorsonline.com

I was wondering also, it says that the complete engine swap comes with motor mounts....does that mean you won't need to get the mounts from hasport? or will they not match up? I was curious about that

why itr pistons ctr pistons have high compression ratio!

higher

I WOULD GO WITH THE CRVTEC, YOU NEED MONEY FOR THAT ALONE. THE CRV BLOCK WILL GIVE YOU THE TORQUE AND THE B16 HEAD WOULD BE AWESOME HORSE POWER. REMEMBER THE B16 HAS LOW TORQUE THE B18 IS HIGHER BUT THE B20 OR A LS/VTEC HAS THE LOW END POWER AND THE TOP END POWER SO YOU CAN DEFINATELY TAKE OFF THE LINE AND SPANK EM'.

yah the b20vtec is great but dont listen to that "build the head so you can rev to 10k" bull. rev a b20 block to 10k and watch all that money you spent on it come out of the crank case in a bad way. im probably getting this hatch with the b20 in it already but understand something. this block is not meant to rev anywhere near that high. at above 8000 things start going terribly wrong. get that engine and build the head if you want but i would set the vtec crossover lower and shift early if you want you engine to last more than a month. the itr or ctr pistons are definitely the way to go though. without them you wont get much hp because the crv pistons are too low compression

don't rev above 8 rpms even if its built. im keeping mine at about 7600rpms thats where your peak power is. at least mine is. you will love this engine i love it in my car. could hang with alot of cars. let me warn you though. the b20/vtec has so much torque you really cant get a good start on the the street. tires spin like crazy at just 1500 rpms take off:eek: on the track with slicks is a different story my friend. just a little note.