Unknown F1 from Malmo, Sweden...

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1357695bsmall.jpg (http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1357695b.jpg) http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1357695csmall.jpg (http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1357695c.jpg) http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1357695dsmall.jpg (http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1357695d.jpg) http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1355962dsmall.jpg (http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1355962d.jpg)

...yes, that is indeed smoke coming from the left front wheel under braking towards a concrete barrier. :22yikes: I can't say that is something I'd be doing if the car was mine, but at least it's being driven. :thumbsup:

This is all the info there is so far on this car:

The car is owned by some swedish guy, i beleive the owner lives in Malmo, Sweden. The year of the car is 1997. That pretty much all i know.

I have one other photo of this car that I found recently, but I don't have access to it at the moment. I can share it later.

Anyone here know anything more about this F1?

>8^)
ER

Wheres the next picture?!

Did he manage to stop or was it that terrible sound of crunching bodywork

No contact for the McLaren thankfully. :cool:

A quote from the photographer:
Actually it is smoke coming from the F1, its a really tight turn and there were some cars who hit the wall...lucky the F1 didnt....quite close though.

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ER

Chassinummer: SA9AB5AC5V1048064
In Sweden since:1999-10-15
It almost crashed in the wall at the street circut.

Hello,

is it possible he could be Tom Meissner ?

Ciao
Phil

This famus F1 is also in Sweden , Tom Messiners
SA9AB5AC2S1048051 since 2000-04-08 but its not
inregistred for road use since 2003-12-16.
And guess what it has had 5 owners since it came to
Sweden. His other car is the showgirl SA9AB5CC6T1048R11,
in Sweden since 2003-06-27 and not in trafic since 2005-06-01.
I hope i gave you , Peloton25 and all other Macca lovers
some nice info.

Chassinummer: SA9AB5AC5V1048064
In Sweden since:1999-10-15
It almost crashed in the wall at the street circut.

Hmm, I thought 064 was the F1 in Cali that went for an emissions check. Some Honda Civic guys on a forum said they didn't like the wheels of all things. There were also pictures of it in an airplane hanger. If that one in California is not 064, which one is it?

The one you are thinking of in California is Larry Ellison's - it is chassis #062, not #064.

Great work on the info Jota - I really appreciate it! :thumbsup:

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ER

My friend saw this car about two years ago while he was at a golf course.

Greg A

Was the golf course in Sweden?

Here's the other shot of what we now know to be #064.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/th_Mc20larenb.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/Mc20larenb.jpg)
Clickable for hi res...

I'm drawing a blank on the name of this show at the moment. I'll try to figure it out.

BTW: Phil - from the photographer of the original four shots - "This is definitely not Tom's car - I know that for sure."

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ER

I'm drawing a blank on the name of this show at the moment. I'll try to figure it out.


Hi,

The show is called "Falsterbo Sprint race".

Here are some more pics of the show and the mclaren.

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload5/ab177.JPG
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload5/ab178.JPG
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload5/ab179.JPG
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload2/ab180.JPG
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload2/ab181.JPG


http://www.sweracing.com/falsterbo/falsterbo.html
http://hem.bredband.net/nillet_foto2/050716/050716.html

whoah!

wheere did you see it?

where is it situated now in Sweden?

(sorry if this is allready mentioned, I posted this just after seeing the pics :naughty: )

Thanks for the info everybody! Also, great pics. The one with the smoke from the tires is my new wallpaper.

Hi,

The show is called "Falsterbo Sprint race".

Here are some more pics of the show and the mclaren.

Thanks for the contributions - I really appreciate it! :thumbsup:

>8^)
ER

Was the golf course in Sweden?

Yes. I'm waiting for him to either return my call or email me to tell me the name of the course.

Greg A

I just wanted to confirm that the sighting was in Sweden. Thanks.

Hello! I just posted a thread about that car, i didnt notice that u already started one. Its owned by a lord in stockholm named Claes Wachtmeister.

This famus F1 is also in Sweden , Tom Messiners
SA9AB5AC2S1048051 since 2000-04-08 but its not
inregistred for road use since 2003-12-16.
And guess what it has had 5 owners since it came to
Sweden. His other car is the showgirl SA9AB5CC6T1048R11,
in Sweden since 2003-06-27 and not in trafic since 2005-06-01.
I hope i gave you , Peloton25 and all other Macca lovers
some nice info.


Not been here in ages, so been catching up! I reckon the pic of the Orange GTR in Monaco is Mr Messiners. Bear with me as I explain. Its got the odd fins on the skirts. Also Monaco pic was taken in 2002, Tom's only entered Sweden in 2003. OK his is shown in other pics here with a roof air scoop, well thats removable. When it originally raced in the BPR it would sometimes appear with it. Finally when you compare the KS Autohandel showroom, Swedish track, Monaco pics and timelines it all adds up.

Here are some new pics I found of #64: http://www.home.no/mrweizel/McLaren%20F1/

Like Captain Kangaroo said, "sharing is caring." :loser:

Thanks MalkaJB!!

Yeah thanks malkajb! Did you guys notice the red v12 etching on the steering wheel in the last shot? It isn't usually red, right?

I did spot that and the "F1/V12" logo in the center of the wheel is typically chrome. It could be a reflection as seen in this shot of #073:

http://a6.cpimg.com/image/AC/79/53492396-336d-00CA00BD-.jpg

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ER

Just checking the AutoSalonSingen site and figgured i'd look at the F1 again and try and ID it. Suddeny, i realized something.... can anyone else spot it?

http://www.autosalon-singen.de/Katalogfahrzeug_RecordView_DetailAll.cfm?fahrzeugI D=08980_0027_03_02&languageID=GB


The likelyhood of this "option" being on more than 1 F1 is unlikely so i'm guessing the car above (Singen Car) is 064

Finally, one of the "Unknowns" can be put into the correct folder. Case closed IMO

Nice job Chris! :thumbsup:

Now figure out what the other F1 was that they had. It appears it was dark silver. The pictures also look much older. I wonder if it could have been #045 before it came to the USA. :dunno:

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ER

Thanks. If i hadn't been looking through old threads today for my list, i would never have noticed that.

Do you know any of 045's history before coming to the US? How do we know its not 012 and the car in Japan isn't a repainted car? OR if 012 was in Europe before going to Japan, assuming the car in Japan is 012 :dunno:

Its all so complicated....but thats what makes it fun :grinno:



Chris

I don't know any of #045's history before it came to the USA. I only know that Gerd Petrik was the one who imported it (and #067) through Fritz's Ameritech. Petrik is German, so there could be a link to AutoSalon there.

The Best Motoring video showing the Tag Heuer car was from Dec 1994 as I recall. I don't think McLaren was big on refits at that point, so I suspect that the color seen in the video was original. I thought the Tag car could have left Japan by now, but the recent photo bucialli found looks identical to it, and it just makes the most sense that it would still be over there.

Hopefully the bhop webmaster will be able to put that one to rest.

>8^)
ER

I have looked and looked...but I can't find anything unique. What is it you spotted?

The same F1/V12 logo on the center of the steering wheel is present in the AutoSalon photos.

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ER

some more pics of 064

http://img104.exs.cx/img104/9561/d0f2164064fals058mg.th.gif (http://img104.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img104&image=d0f2164064fals058mg.gif) http://img104.exs.cx/img104/9168/dsc0171o64fals059uf.th.gif (http://img104.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img104&image=dsc0171o64fals059uf.gif) http://img104.exs.cx/img104/4082/k9z2125064fals056rj.th.gif (http://img104.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img104&image=k9z2125064fals056rj.gif) http://img104.exs.cx/img104/7443/k9z2123064fals050no.th.gif (http://img104.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img104&image=k9z2123064fals050no.gif)

I found some pics of #064 being serviced in Germany last month:

http://www.sps-performance.de/ximages/106021_-w500-x375-hmclaren3.jpg (http://www.sps-performance.de/index.asp?area=hauptmenue&site=news&cls=01&sps1id=74)

Unfortunately they're all that size. Click the photo for the rest of the images.

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ER

once again your internet-searching astounds me... :grinyes:

Nice find, P :)

"Toto, we aren't in Kansas anymore" and it seems that #064 isn't in Europe anymore either.

http://www.sps-automotive.com/en_sps/narrive/mclarenf1.htm

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ER


Side note: Chris - don't miss their white F40. :thumbsup:

"Toto, we aren't in Kansas anymore" and it seems that #064 isn't in Europe anymore either.

http://www.sps-automotive.com/en_sps/narrive/mclarenf1.htm

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ER


Side note: Chris - don't miss their white F40. :thumbsup:

It seems the owner know is AUTOROPA AKTIEBOLAG and they did put
#64 on the market. Sad to see another McLaren is on the way to leave Sweden. :disappoin

Chassis #064's arrival in Hong Kong on 9/29.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/f1.jpg

>8^)
ER

Chassis #064's arrival in Hong Kong on 9/29.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20C/f1.jpg

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ER
That means, if were lucky, we have only 1 McLaren left in the country. Or do you guys have any other news about the Papayaorange GTR ?

I haven't heard or seen anything new on #11R in quite a while. They come and go on the KS-Autohadel website so it's hard to tell what's up with that car right now.

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ER

Strange, this is what i found on the Swedish car-registy.

Regnr: PMA811 Färg: LGRÅ
Fabrikat: MC LAREN F1 2 DOOR
Årsmodell: 1997 Fordonsslag: PB
Chassinummer: SA9AB5AC5V1048064
Senaste EU-regbevis: 20060921
Upplysningar:

Ägare/Brukare
Namn: AUTOROPA AKTIEBOLAG
Adress: TESTV 10 A
Postnr: 232 37 Förvärvsdatum: 2006-08-31
Ort: ARLÖV


Försäkringsuppgifter
Försäkringsbolag: Länsförsäkringar Wasa Försäkrings AB
Försäkringsdatum: 2006-08-31




Fordonsdata
Fordonsstatus: Avställd (2006-08-31)
Antal ägare: 2
Datum för första reg.: 1999-10-15 Producentansvarig:
I trafik första gång: 1999-10-19 Yrkesmässig trafik:
Fordonet tillverkat: Direktimport: Ja
Utredning: Nej Tillfällig registrering: Nej

Besiktningsuppgifter
Besiktningstermin: 2006-11-01 - 2007-03-31
Senast godkända besiktning: 2006-06-14
Föreläggande: Nej Körförbud: Nej
Vägmätarställning, km: 20852


Skatteuppgifter
Skattepliktigt: Ja Användningsförbud: Nej
Årsskatt, kr: 1635
Debitering vid påställning, kr: 0 Debiterad fordonsskatt, kr: 0
Kreditering vid avställning, kr: 0 Debiterad avgift, kr: 0
Huvuduppbördsmånad: april Förfallen skatt/avgift, kr: 0
Skrotningspremie, kr: 1200

Vägavgift
Vägavgift (kr/år): 0 Betald till och med:


Tekniska data
Effekt kW: 442 Antal passagerare: 2
Max släpvagnsvikt:
Max släpvagnsvikt B-behörighet: 1340
Max lastvikt: 140

Kopplingsanordning 1: Kopplingsanordning 2:
Däckdimension fram: Däckdimension bak: P315/45R17
Kaross: Täckt (01)
Skattevikt: 1340
Totalvikt: 1480 Tjänstevikt: 1340
Längd: 430 Bredd: 182
Drivmedel: BENSIN Alternativt drivmedel:

found a new (to me at least) PMA 811 pic - its kinda moody-looking

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/5505/254218440ac27fdede5ozx9.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=254218440ac27fdede5ozx9.jpg)